Why Is Blu-ray Being Untouched?

Captain Tuttle - 131 days 14 hours ago

oops

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Maddens Raiders - 131 days 14 hours ago

go ask Guerrilla and Naughty Dog if they've "touched" it.

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RememberThe357 - 131 days 14 hours ago

They're trying to make the experiences identical. Why would they put more work into the PS3 version if they don't have to? On that note, why would a publisher pay for it?

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Nick212004 - 131 days 14 hours ago

If you would have watched the video, you would have noticed that I mentioned they are not fully utilizing the full 50gb possible on the Blu-ray disc. There are even 400gb Blu-rays, but I highly doubt we will see those this generation since there are very few games that even use 25gb+. Killzone 2 is on a single layer disc so that means it takes up less than 25gb of space meaning they are using Blu-ray, but not utilizing it to the fullest which is what the whole video is based on.

@RememberThe357
EXACTLY, but surprisingly, there are a lot of people who do not know this obviously because I see people asking this question all the time, so I think it is my job as a journalist to clear it up.

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BulletToothtony - 131 days 12 hours ago

bluray is needed for TRUE next gen games whether you like it or not..

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heroicjanitor - 131 days 12 hours ago

The 360 doesn't have sixaxis, so lbp, lair etc are out. Mgs4 and lair are near 50 GBs and the other games there are over dvd size, I suppose you could compress them though and have a worse(but playable) game.

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Saigon - 131 days 11 hours ago

hevenly sword had a 1000 enemies on screen at once...i doubt dvd can perform that feat...how many enemies did GeoW2 have on screen at once...

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RAAAAAGE - 131 days 11 hours ago

Yes they can, Sixaxis isn't required for gamplay in LBP. And there's an analog patch for Lair, so yes they can be played on X360.

@ Saigon, Bluray doesn't affect how many enemies show up on the screen, it's the spec of the machine that handles it.

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FamilyGuy - 131 days 11 hours ago

Dude you fvcking suck, stop posting your crappy videos here. They're 10x worse than HipHopGamer since you are beyond a nobody.

The fact is, audio and video take up the largest amounts of space when making a game. All those 720p/1080p CGI videos and that 7.1 surround sound quality are what fill the space of a blu-ray game. Why would devs purposely stuff a game just to say they stuffed it instead of simply creating the game they envisioned without THE POSSIBILITY of being limited by disc space? Breaking 8.5 Gbs proves that they are using blu-rays potential already, what makes you think only dual-layer+ means it's serving it's function?

10Gbs STILL can't be done on dvd9
8Gbs can't even be done on the other HD console since it copy protection takes up so much space.

It's not about proving the need for blu-ray, it's about not worrying about the limit.

PLEASE STOP APPROVING THIS GUYS SELF-MADE VIDEO SUBMISSIONS!

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Megatron08 - 131 days 11 hours ago

The reason being that most devs are not just trying to find ways to waste space just to say "oh look my game takes up 50 gb" in fact must devs look for ways to save space. Also like a couple of people have pointed out there is the cost of it all to. $ony is not footing the bill for multi plat games like they did with mgs4. If you took an honest look at mgs4 there is no reason at all that game should be 50gb the graphics are unimpressive, its not a huge sandbox, its not a 40-60 hour game. Wasting massive amounts of memory on sound files that 99.9% of the people that play the game cant hear is beyond stupid. Plus the bad voice acting and god awful story get annoying really fast and you end up just skipping over it.

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Rob0g0rilla - 131 days 11 hours ago

But it could be downgraded like Naughty Dog said about Uncharted 1 on 360. So, possible in the form it is in on PS3? No one will ever know but it's all hypothetical which makes it an interesting topic.

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Cenobia - 131 days 11 hours ago

MS doesn't have enough first party devs to make those games.

And we are all incredibly surprised that games coming out after the PS3 exclusives you listed are "technically more impressive". Can I borrow that time machine when you're done? I'd sure like to get my hands on those two games which only you have played.

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FamilyGuy - 131 days 11 hours ago

blu-ray was built-in to stand the test of time.
Games gets bigger and need more space and it was even admitted in the video.

All those 360 RPGs that are over one disc shuts down this topic
Forza being on 2 disc shuts down this topic
7.1 surround sound shuts down this topic

Someone asks him a question, he responds in video and posts it on his site and it gets to make it through approval here? WHY?
This is just some kid with a website, this type of stuff really needs to be filtered. It's a random kids blog for crying out loud. He could just as easily submitted it as a user blog rather than actual gaming news.

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Arnon - 131 days 10 hours ago

Wha?... There's nothing that will "stand the test of time" in our day and age. EVER.

PC's are already beyond consoles. It took them oh, 4 months probably. Technology occurs logarithmically. Hell, they're already working on Holographic Versatile Disc which holds up to 3.9 TB or so of data.

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ACEMANWISE - 131 days 10 hours ago

Blu-Ray and digital downloads both agree on one thing...bigger space is needed. How they achieve that is where they part ways. The fact that both of these new formats are seen as the future proves the necessity of providing a storage medium larger than DVD.

It's been the same story since records. The media naturally evolved to the 8 track, then cassette, then CD, then Laserdisc, then DVD, then Blu-Ray. Digital downloads will probably be the last format as it's only limitation will be the size of your hard drive.

Blu-Ray has many uses as we shall discuss each one in it's entirety.

1) No Compression- Compression is commonly used in DVDs. Right from the start of the DVD generation it was already a format too small for storage needs. Therefore they created a compression software that made the data fit. The problem with that was most times there was a loss of quality when uncompressing the data. Blu-Ray was started so movies, games, etc. could put data on the disk without compressing it.

2) 7.1 Standard Sound- DVD standard sound is 5.1. Blu-Ray is 7.1. More channels.

3) 7.1 High Definition Sound- Beyond the standard 7.1 sound is high definition sound. If a 2 hour recording was compressed 50% then it would still take up 9GB of data. High definition sound takes up a lot of data. I'd say it would be about 18GB without any compression at all. Are they using it? Gran Turismo 5 anyone?

4) Scratch Resistant Coating- Every Blu-Ray disk has a thicker protection surface that prevents scratching the data underneath. This is one of the most overlooked features as it keeps it's value much higher.

5) 3D Gaming- I can only begin to guess the size of data required to fit on the disc.

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FamilyGuy - 131 days 10 hours ago

Obviously I meant for a consoles life cycle. Not needing an upgrade mid-way through ya know?

Other than that, the super thick coating on the disc literally helps the blu-ray disc withstand scratch damage so they really are made to stand up to time as well.

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Arnon - 131 days 10 hours ago

I agree with that, man. I personally, love upgrading after every 5 years or so. Gives me the jitters when I get a new piece of tech.

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MEsoJD - 131 days 8 hours ago

Who the fcuk cares about the opinion of some kid?

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Lawliet - 131 days 7 hours ago

I like the sound of "playing like you're in a movie". MGS4, Uncharted2, Last Guardian and Heavy Rain all achieved with a single Blu-Ray.

DVD could do the same with 1st&2nd CGI, 3rd&4th&5th The Game, 6th Extra Contents.

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Halo3 MLG Pro - 131 days 5 hours ago

Lmao! So many dumb comments on this article.

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Tito Jackson - 130 days 21 hours ago

you dont need all that space to create a hit.
sure, there have been a couple blockbuster that utilized the space, but if you fail, you might as well fail on a small scale. im sure the devs just want to make sure they "strike it rich" with a franchise before they go balls out and spend a ton of cash utilizing the rest of the space.

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indysurfn - 130 days 10 hours ago

Nick212004 +"although it is not possible due to the 360 using DVD". Ever hear of multiple disks, or spanning? Sure you have fanboy, ps1, and ps2 used them and you didn't complain. Developers know that xbox360 uses them if you want to make a 25 gig multi-platform game you just put it on three DVDs. Or a 50 gig you put it on 7 dvds(still cheaper to the publisher!). The real reason is it will basically take a lot of uncompressed video to really fill it. You can have a 400 hour game on a dvd no one is going to make a 1200 hour game for $59. No fake fillers don't count. Three hour MGS4 movies count. But the real stopper is Sony has said from the VERY start that they will eventually sell full games directly to your system without disks. Now just three 50 gig blu-ray games will cause you to only be able to store three games on a 160 gig ps3. Sony wants to be able to sell you more than 3 games, and that is pushing it because a 160 hard drive only has 149 availible, and 12 is for operating system and disk cache so realistically you can only have TWO. Even worse it will take DAYS to download one 50 gig game. These are the real stoppers, not some stupid douchebag PS3 fanboy repeat comment.

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Nick212004 - 131 days 14 hours ago

There are some PS3 exclusives that are using Blu-ray, like mentioned in the video, but besides Metal Gear Solid 4, no one is really utilizing it to the best of its abilities. Also, people wonder why multiplatform developers do not utilize the Blu-ray technology which I explain in the video.

@Counter_ACT
Surprisingly, many people did not know that so that is why I addressed it on the video.

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Counter_ACT - 131 days 14 hours ago

Yeah, I thought the same. I think I read Uncharted 1 used a single-layer blu-ray, but ND said they nearly had to use a 50GB.

Edit: Multiplatform developers dont use 50GB blu-rays because it equates to too many DVDs...

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navyguy21 - 131 days 8 hours ago

Blu-ray going underused has nothing to do with DVD, it has more to do with the simple "law of diminishing returns" What that means is, since PS3 has a 2x bluray player, that the more data you add, the longer it takes to load. Even furthering the problem, is that devs attempt to circumvent the slow speeds by duplicating data to cut down seek times. This alone can make games bigger than they need to be. So what devs do, is the cheaper route, and implement an install, which in effect, makes all the extra space redundant. Uncharted uses heavy HDD cache, coupled with duplicated data, same with Killzone 2, ratchet, and a host of other first party. The REASON they can do this is that this method is more expensive, and time consuming to put the correct data in the correct places since bluray has a constant read speed across the entire disc, and is not like DVD, where the disc spins faster on the outside, and therefore, more data can be retrieved faster. 3rd parties dont have the money, time, or resources to do it. DVD limitations DOES restrict the 360, but it has no effect on PS3. Most of the time, devs DO take advantage of bluray, but both consoles are limited by RAM, so it doesnt matter how many hi-res textures you put on the disc, the GPU still has to render them.

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TheReaper42 - 131 days 5 hours ago

last time i checked, games utilizing blu ray's efficiency are still evolving.

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cliffbo - 131 days 1 hour ago

the reason why multi plat devs are not using bluray is becuase they dont want to put people off buying the 360 or pc versions of there games as it would require more discs which people do not want.

but they really should use it as it would increase there ps3 sales to some extent.

ps note to 360 owners dont forget to disagree with me. lol

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Godmars290 - 131 days 10 hours ago

You mean the game that went from five desert wastelands, to three then two because of DVD9?

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Obama - 131 days 10 hours ago

Yes and bubble up.

By the way, are you the same Godmars from GT?

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Godmars290 - 131 days 9 hours ago

Yes, I'm afraid so.

Realized long ago how stupid it is to post here when all I was looking for was a podcast, and yet post I do...

I could at least bother posting in the actual forums - but nooooo...

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CryWolf - 131 days 9 hours ago

First of all I like my blu-ray discs to be uncompress causes I can experience the full quality of 720p/1080p without upscaling unlike DVD's or 360 does, what you see in blu-ray Hight Definition disc's you won't be able to see on a DVD and with 7.1 surround sound this is what makes blu-ray worth having over DVD's these days.

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Marty8370 - 131 days 11 hours ago

superior 7.1 lossless audio says hi.

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waseem335 - 131 days 11 hours ago

japanese voice acting ftw :)

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ArcticWolfUK - 131 days 11 hours ago

meh

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apena89 - 131 days 8 hours ago

No Sony didn't deceive us because PS3 owners HAVE games that by far surpass your limit of 8GB.

Killzone 2
LittleBigPlanet
and ESPECIALLY METAL GEAR SOLID 4
THEY ALL SAY HELLO!

Rage is two discs for xb360, one disc on PS3.
Forza is two discs for xb360, GT5 is one disc on PS3 (with far more content, tracks, cars, weather, etc).
Blazblue's extras were three discs (standard definition) for xb360, one disc (high definition) for PS3.

And you still think DVD is enough or better?
What the hell are you thinking?

Also, General Electric made the HMD 500GB disc. Luckily the PS3's bluray drive is backwards compatible, so even if HMD became some sort of a standard, Sony is still safe. Sucker.

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zag - 131 days 7 hours ago

Blu-ray disc's are already above 500gb in size, 500gb is from 2 years ago, you need to keep up grandpa.

I don't think MS will release another XBox the shareowners are fed up with the money wasting and low share prices so I couldn't see them agree to allow another XBox to come out.

Shame that Pioneer will be releasing a 500gb disc when the 5 movie studios will be reducing DVD releases in/after 2010 and become Blu-ray only, DVD will get fazed out in a few years, there's no money in the DVD market anymore.

That's been old news for at least a year or 2 now.

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Kleptic - 130 days 16 hours ago

^not sure what you mean by 500gb...the technology is there, but those discs are far from normal production...BD has plenty of legs, as the diodes in starting players are capable of reading that size, just saying that those discs are a long way off...

about 95% of games available on the PS3 come on a 25gb platter...maybe even more...the only game released so far to be confirmed to 'need' more than 25gb was MGS4...

killzone 2 is rumored to use a 50gb disc as well, but never been confirmed iirc...the game itself was confirmed to be a little over 22gb...mostly due to the fact that the devs loaded uncompressed textures onto the blu ray...and they are streamed off with no 'decompression'...a major reason that killzone 2 has some of the best textures of this gen so far console wise (don't argue about it, look at any shot of the ground in killzone 2...no game has touched that so far)...

uncharted 2 is using the same streaming tech...Uncharted 1 sort of used it, but it was through a cache file loaded onto the HDD instead...but expect Uncharted 2 to be the next 'huge' game in terms of disc space needed...

and obviously games like Rage, FFXIII, and other major titles will take full advantage of the extra space...the short answer for why it has not been used much yet it simply money...it costs lots of money to make lots of content...the other end is that the 360 can't do this, making it sort of pointless for most multiplatform games...

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commodore64 - 131 days 9 hours ago

lol

touche

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Soda Popinsky - 131 days 2 hours ago

That explains why GTA IV ran at a lower resolution on the PS3.

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UnwanteDreamz - 130 days 16 hours ago

Ahahahaha lol he hurt your feelings soda? You had to bring up GTA? Like its the benchmark for graphics this gen.....lmfao at you.

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Marty8370 - 130 days 17 hours ago

Actually most games are already maxing out 360 DVD9's. 360 DVD9's hold a max of just under 7Gb. Only early games were around 4-5Gb.

So your wrong.

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