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What to Expect with the Next Guerrilla Games Engine

GameGuru writes: "Killzone 2 has some rather neat special effects due to the enormous effort put in by Guerrilla Games in decoding PlayStation 3’s processing power and enhancing its graphical quality. The game is regarded, by many, as the best looking war game to have invaded a console, some even label it as Crysis for consoles."
Cyrus365 - contributor
Published: 126 days 9 hours ago | News | PlayStation 3
 
 

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fire23 - 126 days 8 hours ago
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Wow, that is some serious upgrades if that is all true.
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ExgamerLegends2 - 126 days 8 hours ago
1.1 - IF its true
It was all believable up til the 5x poly count on all characters and levels. Not saying its impossible but KZ2 had pretty high poly count to begin with. Though I guess if the CE3 could do it GG can. CE3 has competition now.
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shingo - 126 days 7 hours ago
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The real news in that article is that Guerrilla's next game isn't a sequel to Killzone 2!! Where did they get that info from? :o
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ultimolu - 126 days 7 hours ago
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I was wondering the same thing shingo...:o
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Marquis_de_Sade - 126 days 7 hours ago
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Would be nice to see them try a different genre as they are without doubt a talented development team, fully deserving of Killzone 2's critical praise.
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Ju - 126 days 6 hours ago
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Doesn't mean its a different genre. It just means, next Killzone is not a sequel to 2, means not chronological after Visari falls, but some times else, or another place. Could simply be an expanded universe. "Extra Terrestic Wars" and such. They have plenty to explore in the world around Helghan and Vecta.
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Marcelles25 - 126 days 5 hours ago
1.6 - personally
i want a realistic first person shooter from that engine to be able to really compare it against other games
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FarEastOrient - 126 days 3 hours ago
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Sure why not, the PS3 is only in its third year on the market and the polygon count of a Gran Turismo 5 car is 250,000 to 300,000 polygons depending on the make. If they can code it right than I wish I can put the cell processor in my PC instead of running 3 Corei7 on a server rack. The CELL is cheaper and much more powerful than a Corei7 and boy is this wishful thinking...

The Crysis 3 Engine, Euphoria, Killzone 2 Engine, wow is gaming gone so far!
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kparks - 125 days 23 hours ago
1.8 - WHAT TO EXPECT
Well i expected the game not to tell me its loading every 3 seconds would be nice!!!!!!! LOL
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phosphor112 - 125 days 18 hours ago
1.9 - Splitscreen would be bad ass
Hell, just give split screen the same graphics as KZ2 and I'll be happy as hell. That would be so amazing.
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mal_tez92 - 125 days 18 hours ago
1.10 - @kparks
WTF are you talking about?

Anyway I'm surprised that they can actually improve at all on this game. KZ2 is nearly perfect in all areas.
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Marcelles25 - 125 days 4 hours ago
1.11 - 2 above
no game is perfect

the only one that comes close is halo, Mgs4, littlebigplanet, give or take GTAIV thats it
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DeathroW22 - 126 days 7 hours ago
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Most of the killzone 2 engine started development without the Edge tools sony's internal dev teams developed, then continued with incomplete tools.

So imagine if they written a whole new engine now with the full complete EDGE tools, the results would be even more impressive thank to the EDGE tools helping developers assign code the SPU's in a really effecient way.

Can't wait to see what they do next.
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TOO PAWNED - 126 days 7 hours ago
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EDGE or not, 5 x poly jump is a bit unrealistic, it is like new gen basically.
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DeadlyFire - 126 days 6 hours ago
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Is it really so hard to believe a new gen. Isn't right around the corner. PS3 has been out for 3 years. PS2 was in its 4th year before PS3 was announced to be launched in the 5th year of PS2's life. New game engine could further expand on a 2nd generation Cell as well with expanded architecture and stuff. If a PS4 was to be announced next year. Likely they already have the general idea of the specs for the PS4 if they are thinking about 2010/2011 announcement.
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Ju - 126 days 6 hours ago
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I agree. 5x seams unrealistic. However, does KZ2 do any vertex optimization/streaming (like UC/UC2 does)? If not, and that gets added, a higher polycount is certainly possible.
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DaTruth - 126 days 6 hours ago
2.4 - @Deadly Fire
The Cell is designed to work with other cells; Like the people who use 6 PS3's to make a super computer, the next gen is just one more PS3 away. Two cells working together, the Cells ability to render graphics, XDR and Wi-fi make the purchase of a next gen system really affordable and practically no risk for Sony.

As the Xbox 720 is released, Sony could drop the price and bring out a firmware update allowing this, creating a crushing blow to MS and Nintendo. Losing one Gen to destroy the next one!
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xwabbit - 126 days 4 hours ago
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DeadlyFire Ps3 has been out for 2 years btw, 3 years in Nov
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TOO PAWNED - 126 days 7 hours ago
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it sounds a bit unrealistic but let's hope it is true.
i want their next game to be 3rd person shooter.
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TheHater - 126 days 7 hours ago
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there next game should be a action third person shooter role playing game set in the Killzone universe.
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Killjoy3000 - 126 days 5 hours ago
3.2 - TOO PAWNED
Well, I'm not too sure they would go that route seeing as how they've nailed the immersion when it come to FPS. I think they would want to perfect on the experience they had with Killzone 2 since they set the bar so high.

The first person cover system in KZ2 is also an indication that Guerilla Games is keen to continue to delve the player deep into the experience of a war.

But then again, there is a little title called Killzone Liberation,
so anything is possible. For me, Killzone 2 is my favorite shooter of all time, so naturally I'd want killzone 2 to sport an FPS perspective. However, Socom 2 is my all-time favorite online game right beside CoD4 and Killzone 2.

@Hater
RPG? That seems a little far out lol but hey KZL on PSP featured elements of RTS melded in the shooter genre.
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ABizzel1 - 126 days 7 hours ago
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Wow that's a very nice upgrade. Just because they're trying to do 5x poly count on character models and environments, doesn't mean that their game will run that high. I'm sure it's just to allow them a ton of more detail at their disposal and if the need to then they have that 5x power there. Again it'll take a lot of processing power to run a game like that and even though we don't know if the PS3 (and I would say the 360 as well) is maxed out, it would still be hard to see a game pumping out an overall experience significantly better than Killzone 2 (Which is easily top 5 this gen so far including PC games).

Now as far as their next game I for one hope it's not a shooter, and if it is I hope it's something more like an Uncharted, MGS, or something to get away from the same old same old. I for one am sick of all these shooters, and I NEED something else to play. An action game like GTA, or a God of War replacement from GG would be much more welcomed to me. Not only would it be running off one of the best game engines, but it would also expand GG diversity adding them to the Insomniac, Naughty Dog, and Sucker Punch group.
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ABizzel1 - 126 days 7 hours ago
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I can't see this being a good mix, unless Sony Santa Monica helps out. But GG makes Heavenly Sword 2.
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TheHater - 126 days 7 hours ago
4.2 - Heavenly Sword 2?
head explode if that ever happen. I fricken hope sony give that IP to someone that is capable of making a kick ass sequel/prequel
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DeathroW22 - 126 days 6 hours ago
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They should give heavenly sword 2 to sony santa monica
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Cartesian3D - 126 days 4 hours ago
4.4 - @ 4.3 : are you high!!
santa monica will ruin the female character personality (not gameplay or graphics for sure! they are INSANELY good)

imagine female character got banged with 2 nude six-pack guys and you must play a mini game during action.. omg! it will ruin the FEMALE character in our eyes.. I cant accept a B!tch heroine . /jk
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andron666 - 126 days 7 hours ago
5 - Don't know where they get this info...
Download the interactive KZ2 Bullet commercial on PSN and listen to the commentaries. There you can hear them talking about some of the improvements they already were working on when KZ2 was finished. Somme even made it into the commercial...
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Ju - 126 days 3 hours ago
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They made a couple of improvements just for the commercial, though. And they also said, they could, because that commercial doesn't run any AI or such, and because of that they could squeeze the HW a bit more. They mentioned, that based on that "research" there they think to put some of those things into a future KZ engine.
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Cannabiano - 126 days 7 hours ago
6 - Uhhhhhh
Thats gonna be fu... cool.

Maybe they are wornking at two kind of games...

Who knows??
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bjornbear - 126 days 6 hours ago
7 - New game? =O New IP?
Hope they work on something more colourful to really showcase the new graphics engine =D Tis' gonna be sweet!!! and since they've optimised utilisation of the PS3's hardware potential, i can see some news on this game coming next year =D or 2011 =D BEFORE TEH END OF TEH WORLZ =(
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maverick1191 - 126 days 6 hours ago
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god i cant wait for kz3 imagine what GG will do with that *drools*
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Ninjamonkey - 126 days 6 hours ago
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Wow.

If they can imporve the textures then that will just be incredible..

Lol and more polys??? There were already an insane amount in their environments XD

But yeah, wow.

I guess this means a new game coming from them?

Sincelt eh engine is already there to be worked on it'll probably take 2/3 years to make anew game, so maybe we'll see something at next years E3...
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RustInPeace - 126 days 6 hours ago
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Not taking it to the farthest extreme like DNF (Duke Nukem Forever), but am I the ONLY person who feels that everyone is putting down the current consoles and what they can do? Just because X console has been out for X amount of time and put out X amount of games does NOT dictate exactly WHAT can be done or how much further each can be pushed. Keep in mind, every time a bad game is made, 80% of that comes from TIME and MONEY. Give a good dev as long as THEY feel is needed on a project with a good amount of money to back up development/production costs, and see what you get. I bet we could get about 90% close to CGI on the current gen if the right people/resources are used. Don't get me wrong, if some company like S-E took all this time and lets FFXIII flop, that just means they didn't use the time and resources right. (On that topic, S-E flip-floping with dates, demos, this and that, has pretty much bitten them in the ass if they don't deliver 100%. Fans on both ends want something great, but with S-E saying one thing and doing another ("FFXIII production will not start on 360 untill PS3 is finished" then showing a demo on a 360 at E3) doesn't give me a WHOLE lot of confidence in them OR their game.)
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ColossiSlayer - 126 days 6 hours ago
11 - Download Behind The Bullet
For KZ2 off the PSN & listen to the commentary, GG already has better looking version of KZ2 up and running.
The commercial actually looks better than the game....
With the EDGE tech being shared in Sony's gaming division, the future will be bright, All Sony needs now is a NFL licence and a new Exclusive Fighter built from the ground up for PS3, now that T6 is multiplat.....
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cyclindk - 126 days 4 hours ago
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I HATE sports games, BUT... has there ever been a first person football game or something?! That would be SWEET to try!!!

Holy crap I hope someone tries to make some fps (first person sports) games.

I guess so: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
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a_squirrel - 125 days 23 hours ago
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at cycd;afekblahblah

I've thought of that too :D
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lagoonalight - 126 days 5 hours ago
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Good god there is not going to be any PS4 in the next two full years for sure. Some of you are hopeless. What could they possibly do. Stick some sort of new nvidia tech in and a new cell chip and sell it for 800 dollars!?

An 8800 series or 9800 would hardly upgrade anything and what 2GB of RAM to just kill any momentum the PS3 has going for it. Yeah, I see a PS4 being talked about in 2013 and released in 2014.
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Ravage27 - 126 days 5 hours ago
13 - I want them to do a Twisted Metal sequel using kz2 engine :)
I have absolute faith in them and their next project, regardless of whether if it will be KZ3 or a new IP, i will buy it as long as it isn't a casual game :p
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cyclindk - 126 days 4 hours ago
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What I wish is that Killzone 2's single player campaign had more levels like the Beachhead map released in the second map pack, the whole Normandy/Omaha beach WWII invasion thing and so on... that map is the best looking map from single OR multiplayer in my opinion.

Maybe some fighting in a few city streets on Vekta or wherever would be awesome in a sequel, skyscrapers and wreckage and so on, maybe in a future map pack they will change it up a bit.
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Ravage27 - 126 days 4 hours ago
14.1 - @cyclindk
agreed, BeachHead is the best-looking FPS map i've ever seen, and definitely has one the best layout design too. Really a shame it wasn't shipped with original maps 'cause everyone should experience it.

@hatchimatchi
I think graphics are the last thing GG fans worry about :p
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hatchimatchi - 126 days 4 hours ago
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the developers over at guerrilla games are insanely talented, i can't wait to see what their next game will be. Killzone 2's visuals still blow me away when i play it.

Also, think back to 05 when the kz2 video was shown, everyone was saying it was fake and not possible. Well GG pulled it off, so with this update many people will cry fake but i'm sure they'll be able to pull it off. Look at uncharted compared to uncharted 2. (i realize naughty dog is behind uncharted, but my point is that game engines can be improved upon)

I can only imagine how great ps3 games will look towards the end of it's life cycle when developers have unleashed it's full potential.
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N4Sony - 126 days 3 hours ago
16 - Seeing as though Killzone 2 took 4 years to develop and went through countless delays
I'm not getting excited for ANYTHING in the way of technical specs or hype until I see some actual product. Killzone 2 suckered me in with a fake trailer and a whole lotta developer gloating. Then, in 2007, I finally saw game footage at E3 and got to play the game...in late Feb 2009. Yay! And what did I get? An incredible looking game with amazing physics...but downright boring MP and a short campaign that was good, but didn't feel right in terms of scale for the scope of the situation.

Just my two cents. Killzone 2 was solid, but 8/10 solid. Not the AAA experience it was hyped to be. It was a let down in regards to its hype and so this time, I'm waiting for an actual product rather than just going by hype tools.
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LinuxGuru - 126 days 3 hours ago
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For those of us that played Killzone 2 for what it was...it was a fantastic game.

It's your fault if you buy into hype. Buying into hype is a conscious decision, and you are at fault if you listen and give in to it.
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I_am_rushin - 126 days 2 hours ago
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It was never delayed! Get that through your thick skull! It never had a concrete release date, so it never got delayed!
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N4Sony - 126 days 1 hour ago
16.3 - TO HELL WITH THAT COMMENT!
Never delayed? How many trailers listed 2008 at the end of them? How many hints did motherh give on the message board during 2007 that the game may have been ready for THAT holiday! No firm release date? Doesn't mean it wasn't pushed back.

So, "for those of us that played Killzone 2", I followed the damn thing for a long time, beat it single player, was pissed there was no co-op (damn insult to FPS gamers) and dragged through the multiplayer and it's first expansion only to realize that COD4 is light years ahead of the game.
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beavis4play - 125 days 23 hours ago
16.4 - N4Sony, GG gave only one official release date............feb. 28, 2009. and the game did launch.
now settle down.
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the_only_lol_king - 126 days 3 hours ago
17 - Awsome
If GG can make graphics even better than this on a console then they are the best graphical designers ever. KZ2 is awsome in everyway exept how addictive it is.
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rbluetank - 126 days 2 hours ago
18 - i am buying the new thunders/flash maps today.
i love how good this game looks... i wish the controls were like R2... i can only play one because i get crossed up trying to play both... i going to try to play it again on the new maps today... please give us k23 GG.....
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Ravage27 - 125 days 15 hours ago
18.1 - enjoy the new maps :D
BeachHead is incredible. Lots of ppl loves the new precision control option, but i don't use it personally
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