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Guillaume de Fondaumiere, co-CEO of Heavy Rain developer Quantic Dream, has told SPOnG that his company's game is not necessarily "conceptually in line" with the PS3's Trophy system.
"We haven't figured out, as of yet, how the trophy system is going to work. It's not necessarily a game that is conceptually in line with what trophies should do", Guillaume told SPOnG at the GameHorizon conference.
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belal
- 132 days 16 hours ago
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1 - it would be hard to get
a trophy system for this game, but they could have trophies for each ending and actions you take... but that would take forever i suppose?
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PirateThom
- 132 days 16 hours ago
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Yeah, that would take a long time and probably require you to end up reading guides and it wouldn't be about the story anymore.
I hope they're creative though, not just progressing in the game.
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Cwalat
- 132 days 15 hours ago
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I'm still thinking, who the hell would buy this kind of game just for Trophies??
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snipermk0
- 132 days 15 hours ago
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1.3 - I hope they drop trophies..
Its just become an obsession for achievements these days. Where's the fun and all? I truly want to be able to enjoy this game the way its meant to be.
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gaffyh
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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@1.3 - As long as Trophies are there, it gives some users another reason to buy a game, rather than rent a game. A great idea by Sony to add Platinum trophies, they take a hell of a long time to get in most games, which means people are more likely to hang on to their games longer rather than resell them.
With Heavy Rain, they probably will add trophies, although not sure how they would work in a game like this. Maybe find some secret items? Hidden endings?
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Downtown boogey
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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1.5 - Terminator Salvation
trophies were as bad as they can possibly be... Yet, they're there!
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atwon23
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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for me trophies were just for the completionist. At first. Now I have become somewhat of a competionist myself. It sounds stupid But there is no way I would search for something, such as all the shards in Infamous without getting a trophy.
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himdeel
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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1.7 - Flower has trophies...
...that aren't so specific as to take away from the story. They could definitely add some trophies and make them a bit cryptic or make all the trophies "???" type trophies. The ones that you only learn about after you've completed a particular action.
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Hellsvacancy
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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1.8 - Make it like the Terminator Salvation trophy list lol
12 Gold 1 Platinum :-)
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zlatko
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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If they were smart they would release a trophy patch planned for the game like a month or two later after the game. By then the main people who wanted to play it will have done so and the story aspects won't be shockers.
As for the trophies themselves just make them all secrets so people aren't absorbed by getting them except for the super losers. Those guys won't give a rats about this game anyway to play it UNLESS it has trophies, so may as well make them all secret so us non dingle berries can just enjoy the game without any of them in our heads.
That's just my 2 cents.
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Livenow
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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1.10 - THey did it for Lingering in Shadows
they can do it for this. They say each conflict can end differently? Well there you go. You get a trophy for surviving a fight with Mad Jack and you get a trophy if you avoid the fight altogether.
Finish the story with any one character w/o dying and you get a trophy.
This is just me thinking off the top of my head. Trophies can be done for the game.
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ID IR A G 0 N
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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1.11 - are you kidding me!?!?!
it can not be that hard to make trophies for a game. these people are creative enough to make a game but not the trophies?? give me a break.
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Syronicus
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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1.12 - I don't care how they do it...
I don't play games for trophies. I do however really want to play this game so no matter how they do it matters not to me, I just want the game.
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- 132 days 14 hours ago
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yo man i wouldnt really care. cause i play visual novels from time to time. so people who do visual novels have a lot of time on there hands to see all the endings
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TheExecutive
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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so what, there are no goals in this game? Give me a break. I loved indigo prophecy and cannot wait for Heavy Rain but these developers need to give it a rest.
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marinelife9
- 132 days 13 hours ago
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They could hide the trophies as physical parts of the scenery in the game to encourage exploration. But I don't really care if they have trophies or not in the game.
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Michael Jackson
- 132 days 13 hours ago
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1.16 - A Platinum for inserting the game into your PS3
For a game that's sure to be amazing, that in itself is worthy of a trophy.
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daydream
- 132 days 7 hours ago
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Basically, I couldn't care less if they put trophies in or not.
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x__JL__X
- 131 days 23 hours ago
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Anybody that is buying this game just for trophies should be shot on the spot, and have their ps3 taken from them. This game is going to be amazing, trophies or not (though they don't have a choice and have to implement trophies somehow--and not in a patch like the one guy mentioned...at release). The idea above about making them all secret is kinda cool. I'm sure Quantum will figure out some things to give trophies for (not sure really how hard it is to figure out reasons to give trophies, especially with some of the things I've seen that you get trophies for in other games). That being said, I don't see any reason people should be concerned about trophies on this game. This game is just going to be an amazing experience, period.
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Xbox Avatars Shoe
- 131 days 22 hours ago
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1.19 - Please no Trophies for this
If there's 50 trophies and a Platinum for HR, it might ruin the experience. I want to play this for the story (duh) and I don't want to be looking through a trophy list to see what I should or shouldn't do, just for some trophies. Sure I could try to ignore them, but that's pretty damn hard. Maybe they could just have 2 trophies; 1 Gold for beating the game and 1 Platinum? Trophies are there to add longevity to a game by adding extra tasks but HR isn't a game focused on tasks, it's a game focused on story.
I'm a Trophy-Beast (level 13 with 11 Platinums) and I LOVE trophies but HR really doesn't need them.
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thereapersson
- 132 days 16 hours ago
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2 - Good
If they can't implement them in a way that makes sense, I'd rather them not. Not every game needs to have achievements / trophies, especially if they are nonsensical or so easy you don't even have to try to earn them.
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I_am_rushin
- 132 days 15 hours ago
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But it's mandatory. And they say they will definitely include them.
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andron666
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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2.2 - They should have some...
They either need to get inventive or just give them away as part of playing.
What about a trophy every 30 min of playing time and on when you finish the game. Also one for finishing the game several times. They'll come up with some...
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Armyless
- 132 days 13 hours ago
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2.3 - As someone stated above...
the trophies for Flower didn't detract from the game at all, and are just as whimsical and endearing as you'd expect from such a game.
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LeGenDx
- 132 days 15 hours ago
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3 - what theeeeee .................
im a trophy whore an trophy whores need their trophies
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callahan09
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I don't care what they do with trophies for this game as long as they're all secret trophies (the ones that show up as ??? on the list until you discover them). Keep them shrouded. As you progress through the game, you unlock some of them. Certain failures or successes or different paths or decisions taken will result in different trophies unlocking on each play through, requiring many replays in order to get all of the trophies, experiencing the story differently with each play through. That seems like it could possible without a guide, too, as long as you don't always play through the game exactly the same way every time, you'll get them all (and why would anyone want to play a game like this the exact same way each time?)
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N4Flamers
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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4.1 - well they have to include them
I like my achievements and trophies, but im all about skipping the ludicrous ones. SOrry im only so good at guitar hero and im not going to beat like 5 songs on expert with 5 gold stars. With that being said this game seems like its going to be long, and with trophies based on different actions that means its time to go and get the faq.
I hate hidden or secret achievements or trophies, I can understand when they dont want to give the story away, but you can all ways remove the spoilers with clever wording. There are some games where the majority of the achievements are secret, it makes me wonder what they are there for. I mean trophies are to work harder and get more enjoyment out of your game, but I cant do that if I dont know what I am working towards.
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booyah007
- 132 days 12 hours ago
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4.2 - not a bad idea.
Keep them a mystery. That way, it doesn't detract from the experience. It also encourages multiple playthrough because each experience is different.
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Haha this is kind of interesting cause seeing as how you're sort of playing through a movie in a sort of way giving trophies for this game would be ridiculously easy so I understand what they mean about trophies here. I mean think about - Trophy unlocked for pressing Square 10 times in a row? Trophy unlocked for completing chapter 1. It'd be the easiest trophies ever attained.
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ExgamerLegends2
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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6 - I agree wit you guys.
I know trophies are mandatory but Sony should let them slide for this game. No one would mind. Whenever I thought of this game I never thought of trophies. Not til i read this.
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Double Toasted
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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7 - @ $60?
Not so tempting, I no longer believe in hype...
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KilZoneGeneralStrife
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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8 - Thing with trophies though,
At a glance,unless its platinum,some dont see a point of them.I wish they could give a value to them,like gamerscore. So,bronze could be 20.siliver 40. Etc.I'd like to see an amounted score instead of just how many of which you have.with that said.they should have trophies in the form of player endings.somebody already mentioned that,but the thing is quantity.this game cant just have platinum trophies. . .neither can it have you get a bronze for this decision and a silver for the other.tricky tricky
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PirateThom
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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The trophies have a background value, it's just displayed as trophies/levels instead of a number.
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peeps
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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edit: beat me to it lol
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Clarence Callahan
- 132 days 13 hours ago
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value of trophies:
bronze - 15
silver - 30
gold - 90
platinum - 0 (<<< yes, i found out that your lvl bar doesn't move or anything when getting a platinum trophy.)
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PirateThom
- 132 days 12 hours ago
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Are you sure? I'm fairly certain mine did when I got my platinums.
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Cenobia
- 132 days 9 hours ago
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I went up like a level and a half when I got my first Platinum. I think you are mistaken.
Edit: I checked on a ps3 trophy site (by updating my Matt Hazard trophies w/o a Platinum and then with 1) and a Platinum apparently adds 180 points (although that seems low if golds are 90).
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Clarence Callahan
- 127 days 6 hours ago
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ow, is that so? interesting, i thought nothing happened, well, wrong, lol, sorry for the mistake.
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PirateThom
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I'm thinking what Quantic Dream will probably need to do is get people to play this game in demo form and during QA and find out what trophies people think would work.
I mean, looking at the gameplay, I can see a few things that would be possible (discover hidden items in the "investigation" parts?), but I think it's going to take effort to make a trophy list that works.
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KilZoneGeneralStrife
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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10 - . . .I wish the value was displayed like a gamerscore though. .
Its fine the way it is. . .just my personal preference
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and the value is displayed in the form of levels and percent as oppose to a number score. Exactly the same thing just a different way of representing it. I like trophies better because it feels good to recieve and the noise is music to my ears. I like this achievement system in modern games but at the same time I'm glad the older games didn't have it.
... but when I think about it the older games had a superior system. Instead of getting a trophy, you unlock a cheat that makes the game fun to play through again. I miss the days of unlockable cheats... maybe thats why I love Uncharted so much!
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its not in line with trophys because it seems its missing one vital ingredient GAMEPLAY.what ive seen of the game it looks like it will be a sales flop and a waste of the 4 year dev time which they could have used to develope a game in a more popular genre.one long cutscene with interaction by the player amounting to button presses who thought this would make a great game and with it the most important thing money and sales.
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PirateThom
- 132 days 14 hours ago
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It's not a game for children, so I'm not surprised you're not looking forward to it.
Anyone who played their last game probably is.
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stewgart
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so you'd rather them make a run of mill shooter just to garuntee half decent sales? come on, who cares how much money they make as long as they make enough to continue making games that arn't generic and unoriginal. Grow a personality dude. It's like the kids think sales make a good game these days lol.
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Shadowstar
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If we judged movies only by box office numbers, we'd have to place Titanic as the best film ever made by anyone, and we'd tell people to make Titanic 23 instead of newer, more original films. (I mean, it's not a bad movie or anything, I guess, but it's not the best film ever, and I for one would rather have variety than a million Titanic spin off movies that happen just because other people liked it a lot more than I ever will.) Judging games on sales alone and saying it's worthless to try anything else is just as ridiculous as asking for nothing but Titanic movies, IMO.
Heavy Rain looks like it's going to be really interesting to me, just like Indigo Prophecy/Farenheit was.
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bankai
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12 - i really dont understand why trophies and achievements are mandatory
i mean with games that are competitively driven, i understand. Like FPS, fighting, and sports titles i can understand having a plethora of them. in RPGs sure, add them in to reward hard work such as max lvling, getting ultimate/secret weapons, finding secret party members, beating secret bosses, etc.
in visual novel style gaming they really have no place unless they are put in as a reward for each ending you complete.
point being, trophies and achievements should only be used as a rewarding process in a game. you shouldnt be allowed to get trophies for simply buying/renting a game and completing it in the simplest way possible. that is simply adding to the "everyone is a winner" philosophy when there are, in fact, many losers
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- 131 days 23 hours ago
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'Cause of trophy whores.
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- 132 days 13 hours ago
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If it doesnt get trophies people will scream bloody murder and demand a patch. So just put some dumb ones in there like beating the game without dying or playing for 4 hours or something simple like that.
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Bronze Trophy: Character dies
Silver Trophy: 3 Characters survived
Gold Trophy: Beat the game again
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I don't think Cage would put anything in the game that would reward players for a 2nd run-through. I remember in an E3 video he said, while there's a ton of replay value obviously, he wishes that people would only play through once, so everyone has one definitive experience that is completely different from the next person.
I have a feeling I'll be playing this like 20 times though haha
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vega75
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i didn't think you could get trophies for movies. maybe thats why MGS4 doesn't have trophies. lol J/K
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- 132 days 12 hours ago
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1.1 - You forgot to add...
Highest of high quality movies...i.e. blu ray, unlike the crapbox and it's dvd-9. Maybe HD-DVD will make a comeback, oh that's right, microsoft wasn't smart enough to have put hd-dvd internally....oh well, I continue to enjoy my high def movies and GAMES!!!
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is your comment surpose to make me feel some way. do i care about hi-def movies? no. if that was the case i could watch movies myself. thats what i use the ps3 for. movies thats all. i just don't see the point in giving out trophies just for watching movies. if that was the case. i should have rack up trophies along time ago.
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Thats all your using your ps3 for is movies? lol why? their are tons of great games to play.
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vega75
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yes thats all i use it for is movies. their really nothing that interest me on the ps3 except maybe GoW3.since i played the first two games and enjoyed them. and i just downloaded FF7 which i love.
@Rhezin
maybe if their was games currently on the ps3 that interest me. maybe just maybe i would care about getting trophies. and the few i got for finishing KZ2(which after i finished i sold it)and VC.doesn't interest me in going back to get the rest. i'm not a trophy/achievement whore. so i don't care. thats why i said J/k.
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i was a trophy *hunter* (whore sounds a lil harsh lol) i got only 3 plats then.. well i wasnt playing Warhawk anymore (the only game i re-play most) then i change back, still playing games i want dont care if i get the plat, still, that damned sound (the one whenn u get the plat) makes u want more!!!! playing DS right now for one lol T__T
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talltony
- 132 days 7 hours ago
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So u only play multiplats on 360? And miss out on all the great exclusives on ps3?
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vega75
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1.7 - @talltony
Actaully I play exclusive and mutli-plats on my 360. I also play games on my PC and my iPhone when I not at work. They pretty much keep me entertained. When ever I get a bootleg copy of a movie or a movie I already own. I watch it on the ps3. As I said before other than ff7 and GoW3. I haven't been interested in anything on the ps3
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1.8 - Vega
So u have to like RPGs if u play xbox so much more. I on the other hate all RPGs and got bored of gears 2 really fast. I use my xbox mainly for the better versions of multiplats. Love lbp mgs4 uncharted I mean are they just not ur type of games? Their is such a good variety of good games on ps3 I just dnt get why u say things like only use my ps3 for movies. But if it's cause u only like RPGs then I guess I'd understand cause I know ps3 doesn't have too many RPGs.
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AssassinHD
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3 - @vega75
"and the few i got for finishing KZ2(which after i finished i sold it)and VC."
VC as in Valkyria Chronicles? That game doesn't even have trophy support.
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may be he's lying?
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4 - LOL@gamerzone
It was the ps3 fans demanding trophies, now it's "well, this game doesn't need 'em". lol. Personally, I'd rather have trophies to be honest, but I would first need to actually want to play this game.
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