Factor5 - Lair ONLY possible on the PS3

bung tickler - 982 days 10 hours ago

but... the ps3 has blu-ray so it can make special magic toast, and if you eat you will turn into a bunny that poops cell chips to cure cancer... so... the ps3 must be 1,375,289 times better than the Wii.

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MoonDust - 982 days 8 hours ago

Wii>PS3.

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TheWishman - 981 days 6 hours ago

your a total idiot.

Wii is probably the worst piece of garbage i ever bought. Thank god i sold it for $450.

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MoonDust - 980 days 17 hours ago

geez.

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PeeStree - 981 days 13 hours ago

cause you can't afford it :P

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bung tickler - 982 days 10 hours ago

Like you said all he has worked on this gen is the ps3... and to say that something like a $3000-$4000 PC couldnt do lair is just plain crazy talk... he did say "nothing" else could do it.

As a side note, I much rather take the word of a company, say epic, that has worked on multiple formats when they say both systems (ps3 and 360) are about equal in power when it comes down to cpu, gpu, ram.

I really am getting sick of this "my d!ck is bigger than yours" crap from in-house devs and then when the game comes out it's just average or slightly better than average. They all can talk the talk but no one seems to walk the walk.

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deep - 982 days 10 hours ago

I have to disagree. He did say he cant think of any "consoles" this gen that could do it. SO PC is open for debate...what kind of PC could do it is another matter.

Also if they see these things that can be done on the ps3 and they know the specs of a 360 which they of course researched (Factor 5 were leaning to the 360) they obv know what they are talking about. And it's good to hear passionate devs, we need more of them.

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gta_cb - 982 days 8 hours ago

deepbrown we all know your biased towards Sony,

as for me i like both Sony and MS, i have a 360, but no PS3 as i cant afford one yet, but will deff get one. so far its all been pretty even, but with all the comparisons i have seen MS XBox 360 has been slightly better, so the PS3 has yet to prove its self to me, i have faith in it, but it hasnt done it yet.

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Arkham - 981 days 10 hours ago

+1 bub to you because you said "biased towards" instead of using the usual fanboy grammar, "you are bias". ;)

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Uganda64 - 981 days 1 hour ago

Uhh... Voluptuary. It's common knowledge that the 360's GPU is slightly better than the PS3, while the Cell is crazily more powerful than the 360's CPU. Isn't it more powerful than any CPU? Meaning PC couldn't handle the physics aspect etc? Or is there something better already out?

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bung tickler - 982 days 10 hours ago

There are also HUGE disadvantages to the cell as well, you gain something you lose something. thats what fanboys dont understand.

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deep - 982 days 10 hours ago

Indeed that is something fanboys dont realise. It's bloody hard to get into that cell and add to that split memory in the PS3 it's a very tough cookie to crumble when you are not optimising for the cell.

But once your in...the cell is pretty "limitless". As time goes on that'll become evident as the tools improve.

ps. they are walking the walk. go watch the dev interviews on gametrailers. It really is immense and i dont think anyone can doubt that no matter what system it's on, just like noone doubts that gears looks amazing.

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bung tickler - 982 days 10 hours ago

The thing is epic develops for BOTH systems! This guy... hmm... PAID BY SONY! see the difference? i'm not saying that it isn't silly how fanboys act... but there is a difference. Epic > Factor 5.

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deep - 982 days 10 hours ago

And when Unreal looks better than Gears on both systems? then what?

*Evolution don't be so lame. Go and watch the dev interview videos and then go to neogaf and see all the 360 fans in awe of the game saying it's the best looking next-gen game they have ever seen. people who after the first IGN footage dissed the hell out of it and then saw gametrailers and then the dev interviews on gametrailers and were absolutely blwon away by Lair and the Factor 5 engine. If you havent seen that then you don't deserve to comment.

And I thought this was amusing in the teamxbox.com forums about the lair videos.

"Do not fooled by the videos, they are likely CGI. Get ready for a big downgrade once the game ships. I hate the way Sony lies and misleads people just like they did back in May 2005."

Another (not my words...they speak for themselves)

"Is this not the most unbelievabely technologically advanced game ever? Or have I forgotten some game?
When they are moving the camera around in the second video above the waterfalls and you can see allthe buildings, mountins, water, dragons flying around, I'm like WTF!!"

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bung tickler - 982 days 9 hours ago

you said it yourself, devs say this crap all the time, it doesnt mean its true. its just a big pissing contest. ps3 = 360 in terms of overall power.

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deep - 982 days 9 hours ago

A few words. Progressive Mesh and Motion Control.

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Lumbo - 982 days 9 hours ago

yes, that would be the logic, IF Epic had in fact said its not possible for technical reasons, but actually Epic only stated its not possible for Gears to be on PS3 because its distributed by Microsoft exclusively ... and the chances for Microsoft to allow the one extremely GREAT game for the xBox360 to be on the PS3 are below zero.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 981 days 22 hours ago

Wrong, they said Gears of War couldn't been done because of the memory restrictions with the PS3 dude.

What I tried to make obvious with some kind of sarcasm, is that every company with an exclusive game will say that. To get more hype to the game, everyone with that specific console will buy it to 'demonstrate' to their friends that what they have can only be done on their console.

Which is a funny thing

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daydream - 981 days 18 hours ago

Heavenly Sword, cell processor, thousands of enemies, separate AI

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Armyless - 981 days 9 hours ago

Meh.

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MoonDust - 982 days 8 hours ago

But i couldn't *cry.*

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Jenzo - 982 days 1 hour ago

"Lair will run in 1080p, BEST looking xbox360 games are running in 720p."

That's 'cause almost all developers say that 720p is the sweetspot, not 1080p.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 981 days 22 hours ago

"xbox/GC came 1,5 YEAR AFTER launch of ps2. And it`s obviously, that they had better graphics.
PS3 came 1 YEAR AFTER launch of xbox360. And it`s obviously, that ps3 has better graphics. "

ONE OF THE MOST STUPID POSTS EVER!!!

Dude. The PS3 and 360 were announced on the same time. They had the hardware choices made about on the same time. The only thing is... The PS3 got delayed so long that it seems as if it's newer. It should have launched spring 2006, got at the end of 2006 in USA/Japan and a full year after that to Europe/the rest of the world.

Both announced @ E3 2005, and you can bet the hardware descisions were already in place at that point in time. You can't put a console together in a few months or a year dude.

The Dreamcast came out before the PS2 and even had better graphics.
And even funnier:

The PS3 came a year after the 360, and still the 360 has the better graphics in multiplatform games and the best looking next gen AAA titles are on the 360.

The Cell is great for video and streaming, calculating folding @ home. It's not optimal for gaming. It's a multimedia optimal CPU, which is great for the BluRay player functionality.

I have a nice quote also from another forum:

"mprobins says:
The type of system RAM used by the 360 is the exact same type of RAM the PS3's GPU uses. The memory bandwidth available to both the 360 & PS3 GPU is identical.
That isn't the whole picture though. The 360 also has a 32GB/S link to 10mb of eDram. The eDram is used as a frame buffer (ie: it is what the GPU "draws" on). In other words, instead of splitting bandwidth pulling texture data and writing out framebuffer data, the 360's GPU has a large pipe it can use to pull texture data and a separate pipe it can use to write out framebuffer data (it is a bit more complicated than that, and the eDram gives developers a few other neat features for free, but that's the gist of it).
The "faster" ram in the PS3 is RDRAM. Great for streaming. Sucky for random access. Honestly, I don't understand why Sony continues to use the stuff. Latency to system memory is compounded as the GPU has to go "further" to access that ram vs it's local ram. It isn't suitable for real-time access by the GPU for a number of reasons; you'd only want to access it to prefetch texture data (which means you're then wasting memory duplicating data)."

There you ahve it. Even the memory is for streaming, video etc. Not for gaming.

BR isn't needed. It's Sony's push format to feed the lemmings
Plus, wouldn't ALL games from launch on be in 120fps @ 1080p as is true HD according to Sony?

Uh oh we have a problem! Motorstorm would be 60 fps @ 1080p, it became 30fps @ 720p. COD3 was 30fps @ 720p were the 360 did 60fps @ 720p.

Ah well we could go on and on and on, but you buy the Sony lies to much dude

EDIT

@ Crazzyman (below)

"ps3 had almost 1 year, after launch of xbox360, and if you think that ps3 hardware wasn`t improved during that time, then you are just FANBOY."

Wrong. Hardware was fixed already. It should have had launched in Spring 2006, just 4 to 5 months after the 360. There have not been made ANY changes in hardware since they chose Cell. The hardware wasn't improved, only the testing of the components in the PS3 design.

If you believe hardware changes in the last year, when production has to be prepared you're the real FANBOY. And stupid also

"show me on dreamcast games, which look better then MGS2, FFXII, GoW2."

What would you expect. Games are still made for the PS2, the hardware is explored more. Ofcourse God of War 2 looks great. I would even make a bold statement: it looks better then most if not all games on XBOX 1. Although the XBOX 1 has hardware that's capable of more.

The Dreamcast, if not went bankrupt by the lying of Sony over the PS2 power so all consumers waited for the PS2 instead of buying a Dreamcast, would have brought great looking games.

"multiplatform NOW is looking better on ps3."

Wrong. Only Oblivion looks better then on the PS3, because it had a FULL YEAR extra development time. If the 360 version would have had that extra time, it would have put the PS3 to shame.

COD3, Splinter Cell, FNR3, MLB 2k7 and all other games look better on the 360.

"Then why geow, mass effect, lost odyssey, too human, def jam DO NOT HAVE FSAA ???"

Dude, give links especially on games that have not been released yet. Interesting to read you know about Mass Effect, Lost Oddyssey and Too Human if they have FSAA

"so again, show me some BEST looking xbox360 games, which are running in 1080p."

What is it with 1080p? Games look even better on 720p on the PS3. Which games for the PS3 are in 1080p?

Motorstorm... Oh no they tuned it down! BUMMER

Lair could just be done on the 360 don't worry. I bet this game will dissapoint in the end, what has this developer made before that is a great game?

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CrazzyMan - 981 days 21 hours ago

ps3 had almost 1 year, after launch of xbox360, and if you think that ps3 hardware wasn`t improved during that time, then you are just FANBOY.

show me on dreamcast games, which look better then MGS2, FFXII, GoW2.

multiplatform NOW is looking better on ps3.
read: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Then why geow, mass effect, lost odyssey, too human, def jam DO NOT HAVE FSAA ???

so again, show me some BEST looking xbox360 games, which are running in 1080p.

p.s. just watch interview, developer says why Lair is possible ONLY on ps3.

p.p.s. and where are some amazing games, which would amaze like FFXIII, MGS4, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet, NGS, LBP, Getaway, Lair on xbox360 ???

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TheGoodMART - 981 days 7 hours ago

That was a long read dude
here is what you all need to know:

TheMart "blah blah SONy sucks blah .......get a 360, blah blah I suck bill gates balls.. blah blah BLAH"

I'm concerned about you bro, you have to get out more!

P.S. every time you masturbate God kills a kitten.. and Thats a "FACT" people

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consolewar - 981 days ago

you are in love with the Mart, we all know that. Take good care of him.

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Hayabusa 117 - 981 days 22 hours ago

So the cell in Heavenly sword handles large crowds by grouping AI in the distance? Wow, that's amazing. But isn't there another game that handles AI like that? Hmm, let me see...it's on the tip of my tongue...that's it, Halo 3.

HA! They need the cell to calculate movements from the motion sensor to steer projectiles? What a joke.

EDIT:To the guy bellow...

We don't know how many enemies on screen Halo 3 will have, only that it will certainly be epic. The point is anyway, it uses a simular technique.

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Raist - 981 days 17 hours ago

I doubt there will be hundreds of ennemies at once in Halo.

Using the same overall strategy for AI for a dozen or hundreds of ennemies isn't exactly the same thing in the end.

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masterg - 981 days 13 hours ago

A PC isent a console last time I checked.

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Rybnik - 982 days ago

Both titles are in Alpha, we have not yet seen the final code. I think you may be putting your foot in your mouth by claiming that what we have seen to this point is as good as it will get. I bet you are wrong about that. It would be like me saying Oh Halo3 looks totally crap since again we have only seen alpha footage. Also, and if you think Heavenly Sword will be just hack and slash like N3 you are seriously wrong.

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MoonDust - 981 days 20 hours ago

I just don't want fan girls leaving me bad feedback, but, F it. Heavenly sword looks like pure sht, there i said it. Halo and all the other alpha sht look like sht! PS fan boys think their games look great, but they see Forza 2 in alpha they make fun of it. Some games show how the final build is going to look, like halo did with it's first trailer, but everyone seem to forget about that and concentrate of the alpha. So, yes, for now Heavenly Sword doesn't look like anything special, but maybe, just maybe.

They should put a Alpha Vid of Killzone, no, no, they would never do something like that, i guess you can only do that when you have confidence in your game. BTW: Lair only possible on the PS3? Right, the game doesn't even look that good.

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