LittleBigPlanet Devs Love Coding On PS3

zantetsuken - 984 days 8 hours ago

Keep in mind these guys coded for PC first. Their first project was a kung fu game using the HL2 engine.

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artman - 984 days 7 hours ago

dude, what's wrong with your common sense? get the fact, port games are bad... if they say that ps3 coding is fun, then you are not happy... if they say ps3 coding is sux... then that's what you want to hear rite?
articles that written just for what you want to hear is really bad you know... I have a bunch of that type of news enough in my country.
this industry is starting become dirty... if this continues like this, you gonna regret this. bias or not bias... we rather hear the truth... when you people supporting the bias articles... they will continues to write bias articles... r u getting the point?
just calm down.

if you like ryu, I'm not sure you can play that on xbox... not sure on 360... as I know the xbox controller is terrible for 2D fighting game...
let's fight when it's ready for online SF (doesn't matter on which platform.... but I prefer to use PS controller or joystick)

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D3acon - 984 days 5 hours ago

Sorry, Lazy and cheap. I'm tired of getting games that are half assed ports and being charged for it. They are not obligated to make games for different systems, its their choice. So if they develop a great game for one system, then why should the other consumers be cheated for each additional copy of the game made for the other consoles? That being the case then they should be 1st party developers.

I don't believe that the money these publishers and developers are making can't be used to hire an extra two or three programers that deal specifically with the other consoles. There are ways to delagate, but if you're unwilling to learn a new system to harness the fullest potential it offers then I guess what would be the point. You would release these titles make some money and slowly lose your fan base. (ubisoft)

I think Team Ninja(Ninja Gaiden Sigma)were talking about lazy developers in a recent interview. They aren't first party and develop for 360 and ps3.

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DJ - 984 days 10 hours ago

"Well, 1st Party devs are under Sony's thumb, so their opinions don't count! They just say whatever Sony wants them to say."

-But what about 3rd party developers like Factor 5, Kojima Studios, Insomniac, etc? Surely they must be unbiased in their praise, right?-

"No! They don't make games for Xbox, so they're biased!"

-But Bladestar, Factor 5 was a Nintendo developer for two hardware generations. And even Kojima's team made an Xbox version of MGS2.-

"...n-n-NO! They're not making 360 titles right now, so they must be biased!!! They just say whatever Sony wants them to say."

-But even Team Ninja, a dedicated Xbox 1 and Xbox 360 developer, has had nothing but praise for the PS3's capabilities.-

".........well you're stupid!"

=P

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VirtualGamer - 984 days 10 hours ago

I loved reading this quote from Yosuke Hayashi

GI: What do you think of the PlayStation 3 as a whole, now that you’ve had a chance to work with it?

Hayashi: A lot of developers out there talk about how the PS3 is hard to develop for. And I think that that’s kind of an affront to the fans, because you paid your money and you own a PS3, and you pay the same money for a PS3 game as you would any other game. That’s not really looking at it from a consumer’s perspective. The fact of the matter is that the PS3, when pushed to the limits, can do some amazing things, and I’d like to have our game be one of those showcases, for that and say, “Look, this is what you can do with the hardware.” I think all those developers who are saying, “We don’t want to do a PS3 game,” or “It’s really difficult to do it,” should shut up and make their games. If you have time to complain about it, then you should be spending your time working on getting the most from the hardware. It’s really about, at the end of the day, showing what we can do as developers. Nobody is forcing us, nobody is saying, “You have to develop for the PS3.” We’re doing it because we want to, and because we know that there are people out there who have PS3s, and if we can get them to play our game then our goal is accomplished. We’d like to have Ninja Gaiden Sigma not only be a great game for the consumer but also as a message to the industry, to say, “Look, this can be done in 2007 on this hardware.” Hopefully, that can throw out a beacon for the rest of the industry.

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Oncnawan - 984 days 8 hours ago

He never says that programming for the PS3 is not difficult. He just says that if you are going to program for the PS3, don't complain about the difficulty. Read it again, seriously.

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VirtualGamer - 984 days 7 hours ago

Your right he never said it was easy. What he did say was that it doesn't matter if its easy or hard. If your a developer and you choose to develop a game for a specific system you should do your best and quit making excuses. Considering he is a 3rd party developer and this is his first game on the PS3 and its going to be 1080p @60fps with full shadowing, a feat no game has delivered thus far on the PS3, he is delivering on what he is saying.

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deep - 984 days 10 hours ago

That's the lad! The informed win :)

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fenderputty - 984 days 10 hours ago

When reading that info I was totally amazaed. It's like all the other fanboys just totally miss it though. I'll prbably have to bear through another 1000 threads telling me the PS3 only has 256k ram this year.

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deep - 984 days 9 hours ago

256mb. PS. it is 512mb and we know that. Got 128mb flash memory as well...but that's different.

Go read the insomniac interview...you'll find more info there of why split is helpful...but it's much easier to stick with the HS info, as that is a fact. Ps. they might get the army upto 3000 all runing on one SPU ;)

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J@D - 984 days 6 hours ago

Agree. The PS3 need a few months and probably 2 years to show how amazing it could be. Just look how the PS2 does this last month with the lasts triple A+ tittle just imagine how the PS3 will does *drools*.

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VirtualGamer - 983 days 17 hours ago

Bladestar - Besides think about this... How come these very lazy developers as you guy are calling them, are making games for the 360 too. Why are they doing a better job at it? Do you think is a conspiracy to make the PS3 look bad?

No but I would suggest that the 360 version of the game was created first and then the developer is porting it over to the PS3. The problem is they are not designing the game from the ground up on the PS3. That said we have seen the results of studios who have taken the time to do a proper job like Bethseda with Oblivion. The problem is there is no more money to be gained by taking the time when you look at it from a business perspective. Do you think Splinter Cell for the PS3 would have gained the studio alot more money if it had scored 8.5 and been identical in performance to the 360 rather then a 8.0 and having some differences in graphics? The answer is no and the simple fact is if you own a PS3 and want to play Splinter Cell your going to buy it regardless so hey as long as its close then why care? Especially from a developer /business decision. Thats always been the case for ports. Which ever system had the original it usually is the best version simply because it was designed from the ground up to work specifically on that platform.

To back this up all you have to do is look at Team Ninja. They have no experience what so ever with the PS3. They are creating Ninja Gaiden Sigma, I know you have stated that this is just a port of the original from the Xbox but that is simply not the case. All the graphical assets, game code etc will have been written from the ground up from scratch just as if it was the first time the game had been created. Sure they are using the original from the Xbox as a road map and as a template for what they are doing on the PS3 but thats all.

Thus comes the crux of all this. If you insist its a port then why can't other development companies do as good a job as these guys? I mean they are third party and are going to create a game that beats original first party games for the PS3.

If it is a truly unique code being designed form the ground up for the PS3 just as if it was an original game then again they have beaten the efforts of even first party developers. Its credit to a very talented team.

Bladestar- could of be that making games for the 360 is similar from making games for the original xbox? Is microsoft being a software company and having lots of experience making software development tools (.net, visual studio, directX) making it easier for developers to make their games?

Possible but alot of developers like to create their own game engines and development tools. Look at Gear of War the best looking game todate on the Xbox 360. Epic has their own engine and tools for creating games. They even sell them to developers making games for the Xbox 360 and PS3. I know in the past that MS has had better support for developers but this time around many have said that Sony has gotten alot better then they where with the PS2.

I agree that its not a case of developers being lazy. I think that's unfair to them. Its ultimatly comes down money. A development studio is not going to create 2 games from the ground up with the same name. They are going to design it on one system and then as best they can port it over to their second. The goal is to make it as close to the original within a certain time frame (cost). If its 90+ % to the original they accept this as good enough. Not becasue they are lazy but because they have to look at it from a cost profit perspective. If they are to spend more time and money to get the game to 100% or more then the original will this equal more sales? Probably not and thus why they don't. I mean I am a PS3 owner and if I want to play a game thats on both the 360 or the PS3 guess which version I am buying regardless of which looks slightly better. If I own both consoles I will buy which ever version is best from the 2. Again either way the game company is only going to sell one copy.

Where I have a problem is people like TopGamer, TheMart ect who use the differents in ports as proof that their system is the better and more powerful system. As you said yourself there are many third part games for the 360 that don't even come close to pushing the limits of what the 360 can do and many are ports to the PS3. So none of these games are true tests of what either console is capable of.

What I hope though is that 3rd party game developers start putting more time and money into getting the best game possible like Team Ninja. That when they do, do a port they spend the extra money to make sure all versions of the game look equal like Bethesda. While they may not see initial returns that justify the initial cost they will build a better relationship and reputation for awesome games, from gamers. The developers who don't do so may find gamers not buying their games. When we as gamers buy crap ports and crap games we are supporting that type of behavior. That's why I am very picky as to what I pick up for games. I only want to support game companies that do spectacular work. Guys like Epic, Insomniac, Team Ninja, Evolution, Naughty Dog, Ninja Theory, Square Enix, Kojima Productions. Even though they have done great work in the past I also just don't blindly buy their next game. They have to keep bring it every time. Nothing worse then buying a sequal to a great game only to find out its crap and they where just milking the rep from the previous version.

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