PS3 Flower's grass impossible on other systems

deep - 267 days 9 hours ago

200,000 reacting blades is pretty outstanding - and pretty in general :)

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fishd - 267 days 8 hours ago

I yet have to see a CPU doing something like this...

http://www.tomshardware.com...

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na2ru1 - 267 days 8 hours ago

I downloaded this year. It was a breath of fresh air.

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XxZxX - 267 days 8 hours ago

Tha game is a good piece of art. It's relaxing and awesome at the same time.

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ape007 - 267 days 8 hours ago

the cell processor is starting to show it's difference in games

imagine using it in gta 5?

imagine

infamous look to have lots of things going on

sony'ss vision is just outstanding

cell processor

blu-ray

1080p

the ps3 is a monster

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no-spin - 267 days 7 hours ago

the PS3 is just an amazing piece of technology, as developers start focusing on harnessing its power we will see very special games. And to think is only starting its 3rd year, wow just amazing. 10 years plus lifetime is not impossible, even with the PS4 being sold.
Sony delivers in value when someone buys a PS3, because its going to last a pretty long time, at least 5 years life cycle as a minimum, just look at the PSP- 50 million sold and 2009 line up is looking major for the hand held , nice

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StephanieBBB - 267 days 7 hours ago

It would be incredible.

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ChampIDC - 267 days 6 hours ago

The only people that doubt the graphical power of the PS3 are fools and fanboys. I'm no graphics whore, but I'm a sucker for stylish games like Flower.

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FarEastOrient - 267 days 6 hours ago

@fishd

My main computer can only do 8 at the same time before it becomes unhealthy for the system to do anymore without me crashing the whole system. Which is still good because I built this graphic design rig two years ago and it wasn't able to play Empires: Total War at the max settings.

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rockleex - 267 days 6 hours ago

All the ignorant comments that fill up the bottom half of this page.

Posted by sarshelyam:

"This next part isn't directed at you Rome but the abundance of ignorant warmongers that currently reside in this article. Yes, it's only grass...if we're analyzing the object then it can be broken down to ignorant & simplistic comments like that. It's only grass, but it's some of the best LOOKING and most realistically behaving grass in a game. Simply because the subject matter isn't overly complex and doesn't feature guns/sex/violence, do we have to break it down and belittle the experience? Mario is a fat plumber, but somehow we get around that and enjoy the majority of his unbelievable-in-theory games.

Why can't we simply enjoy an experience for its intent. Flower is not meant to be a conventional game, nor can we draw conventional comparisons to more typical games in the industry...and that is why every negative comment here fails."

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Aquanox - 267 days 6 hours ago

There's been a lot of things "impossible" for the Xbox 360.

First it would be Assassin's Creed. Believed to be PS3 exclusive and "impossible" on Xbox 360. Similar fate had this title called "Devil May Cry 4" and we all know how it ended up.

Then MGS4 was released... with great graphics, lightning and detail... totally out of the Xbox 360's league. Later though, Resident Evil 5 was launched with even more impressive visuals, detail, lightning and color.

KZ2 is also impossible on Xbox 360, yet CryEngine 3 has just been released for the Xbox 360 as well, and if it manages to pull anything near Crysis then this claim will also be debunked.

Lets just leave the "impossible" on other system claims and center on the games themselves, shall we?

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rockleex - 267 days 6 hours ago

Yes, but there will likely be less blades of grass to interact with.

Now, does it matter that the PS3 can do more blades of grass? Not really.

Each system has a different architecture. What one system can do and another can not do is mainly due to the difference in architecture and has little to do with the difference in power.

I don't get what all these fanboys are crying about when articles mention that one system can do something better than another system. We ACCEPT that the Wii has the best motion controls in a console system, the PS3 follows behind with SIXAXIS, and the 360 has none. So why is it that we ARGUE when it comes to technical stuff?

Just take each console for what it is and we'll all be happy.

@Aquanox: Killzone 2 is not possible on the 360 because of the way it utilizes the Cell Processor and its SPUs. If it was made for the 360, they would have to throw away deferred rendering which would severely handicap the lighting system and everything else the Killzone 2 engine offers.

You chose the wrong game to prove that the 360 is just as powerful as the PS3. What you don't realize is that its not a matter of difference in power, but actually a matter of difference in architecture.

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Sharpshell - 267 days 5 hours ago

anyone who thinsk that resident evil 5 looks better than mgs4 in terms of textures, partical effects, lighting, hell even sheer depth of vision needs to get their eyes checked next time they are at the doctors for their acute fanboy disorder. Both GeOW2 looks better than RE5 and GeOW2 is in the same leauge as MGS4 in terms of graphics (just different styles) so 360 fanboys careful before you say I am an idiot...

Also with a game like flower I would say that how many blades of grass move is kind of important, the question is how does that translate, or if it translates into a more, regular, game.

That beign said ever exlusive game is sort of dependant on the arcitecture to be possible, its like Davinci saying that without canvas the Monalisa (sp?) would be imposible.

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pixelsword - 267 days 5 hours ago

...until I actually saw it in motion. It's not a game to play, it's a work of art to be appreciated for it's craftsmanship and feeling.

It's like fl0w in that it's a game the plays like it's not a game, which is a whole new feeling.

It's awesome.

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SprSynJn - 267 days ago

"First it would be Assassin's Creed. Believed to be PS3 exclusive and "impossible" on Xbox 360. Similar fate had this title called "Devil May Cry 4" and we all know how it ended up.

Then MGS4 was released... with great graphics, lightning and detail... totally out of the Xbox 360's league. Later though, Resident Evil 5 was launched with even more impressive visuals, detail, lightning and color.

KZ2 is also impossible on Xbox 360, yet CryEngine 3 has just been released for the Xbox 360 as well, and if it manages to pull anything near Crysis then this claim will also be debunked."

Assassin's Creed, if I am not mistaken, was touted as a 360 exclusive when it was first developed. How can it then have been said to not be able to run on it? I have never heard anywhere that Devil May Cry 4 could not run on the 360, considering that was always projected to be on both systems. Where exactly did you hear it couldn't?

Whether or not Resident Evil 5 is better looking when compared to Metal Gear is entirely up to personal opinion. Some people believe Uncharted is the best looking game to grace the PS3 even with Metal Gear out there. I say Killzone 2 is far better than anything out there to date. Again, that is personal opinion though.

As far as the CryEngine goes, let us see some games on it before we make judgements shall we? Look, I know you are trying to defend your baby, but please come up with some factual statements before you bumble in on a topic. OK?

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No Way - 266 days 22 hours ago

Assassins Creed was at first said to be a PS3 exclusive. Later down the line it became a multiplat game.
It was never touted as a x360 exclusive..

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phosphor112 - 266 days 22 hours ago

And I was amazed. At first I was just thinking they were sprites or what ever..no..they couldn't be. You know like the grass in FarCry 2? It bends and what not..No I stared at the grass and was like... Holy crap! The blades have depth to them too!

I so wish more of this game would be released. I was saddened when I beat it. Not because it was so short, but because, I wanted more.

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XxZxX - 266 days 20 hours ago

otherZinc just lack braincells to appreciate arts.

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deep - 266 days 16 hours ago

Actually No Way, AC was originally a 360 exclusive, changed to a PS3 exclusive and then was MP again :)

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LoVeRSaMa - 266 days 12 hours ago

Beautiful innovative game which packs lots of power, one of my favorite conceptual games =]

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theEnemy - 266 days 12 hours ago

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ikaris - 266 days 10 hours ago

I want more flower :(
I've gotten every trophy, every green flower, and i think every flower in the game.... yet I still want more..
It was such a fantastic experience.

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Nicolator - 266 days 9 hours ago

well.. what can i say.. i am a lover of both systems and own them..both.. but one thing i would say to sony fanboys "DONT COUNT UR EGGS BEFORE THEY HATCH".. clam this X and Y cant be done on this system then 6 months later to a year .. WALLAH.. and u go all quiet..as far as tech is concern both systems have very diffrent architecture.. but still about the same power so any game that can be pulled off on one system can be done on another.. its might just take 360 multi disc since dvd9 is small.. other than that... nothing...remember cryengine3 is looming ... so its best u dont miss fire ur mouths yet... just a word of advice.

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edgeofblade - 267 days 7 hours ago

Consider how much is really going on in game here. Not much. Even the 360 could handle this if all it has to do is grass. If you add more details to the game, you have to get that processing power somewhere. Despite the delusions of certain fanboys, the Cell has a limited amount of processing power...

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MAiKU - 267 days 7 hours ago

You know nothing of game development, such a statement proves your ignorance.

The game isn't heavily developed for the grass only, and there is much going on there, if a game company says they wouldn't be able to do on another console i think they have more say in the matter than you do, don't you think?

Another thing to note is that don't only develop for the ps3, so that blows your fanboyism claim out of the water.

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Mr Marbles - 267 days 5 hours ago

Anyone who thinks this PSN game cannot be done to the same level on 360 is really naive and gullible.

Most games run better on 360, ESPECIALLY low budget cheap games like this one, PS3 can't even handle Unreal as well as 360.

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ZuperAmazingCooKie - 267 days 5 hours ago

"MAiKU
Anyone who thinks this PSN game cannot be done to the same level on 360 is really naive and gullible.

Most games run better on 360, ESPECIALLY low budget cheap games like this one, PS3 can't even handle Unreal as well as 360. "

Your logic fails miserably. Even on games that run "better" on 360 the PS3 has proven to have less pop-in and higher draw distance, that includes GTA4 and Hawx, just to name a few. If you knew anything about the hardware and took off your fangirl goggles, you'd know that the cell processor does game geometry much faster than Xbox 360.

The point this guy is trying to make is that you can't replicate as many grass blades (or as many polygons) on any other system, including high end PCs, because of the SPUs in particular; the 360 CPU pales in comparison to the SPUs, it isn't even made for processing geometry, it's only used for physics (that also pale in comparison to the SPUs), game logic and AI, i.e. nothing related with graphics.

There is no CPU on the PC market capable of beating the cell processor at what the SPE's are meant to do, and that's why games like uncharted sport more than twice as many polygons per character than Gears of War 2 even though Uncharted only uses about 30% of the PS3 while Gears of War 2 was approaching the limit of what the 360 could do.

Oh, and don't make us laugh with that Unreal Engine quote. That engine is outdated and isn't made to take advantage of any particular hardware, it's simply a 3rd party middleware solution for developers that don't want to mess with the hardware.

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shawnsl65 - 267 days 1 hour ago

Mr. Marbles has lost his marbles..

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gumgum99 - 267 days ago

@shawnsl65

lmao

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MAiKU - 266 days 22 hours ago

I really shouldn't bother pointing it out to you but as of 11:36 pm eastern time (US) you have 17 disagrees and ZERO agrees.

We like to call your defense an epic fail.

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swinesucker - 267 days 8 hours ago

Yes, I am correct, but it's not true 720p either. And being locked at 30fps means 1080i should be just as good as 720p or even better because both the vertical and horizontal resolution are higher than 720p.

from the creator--

As far as native resolution goes, Flower is locked at 30 frames per second and the gameplay is rendered out at 810x1440 2x anti-aliasing. All post processing is done at 810, and then the scene is run through a lens distortion shader onto a buffer of native TV resolution, up to 1080p. Because the lens distortion causes an uneven resolution distribution, when the camera is fully zoomed out the center of the screen is effectively slightly less than 480 and the edges are over 1080. We chose 810p because it was the lowest resolution we could find before the center of the screen started looking too aliased.

Unlike gameplay, the menu and HUD are rendered at native TV resolution, up to 1080p.

http://thatgamecompany.com/...

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deep - 267 days 8 hours ago

1080i (not p) renders less lines than 720p. You should run your games at 720p and not 1080i.

I doubt your Dell supports 1080p.

Where did you pull that quotation from? And that's higher than 720p.

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ToastMan018 - 267 days 8 hours ago

well the important thing is it looks beautiful

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swinesucker - 267 days 8 hours ago

Actually, technically, native 1080i runs more pixels at any given moment then 720p.

Horizontal resolution in true 1080i is still 1920p folks all the time. The vertical res is two alternating odd and even line of pixels at 540 each creating one 1080i image every 30th of a second hence why you see less motion artifacts when games run at 30fps where clearly in games like SSTFHD that run at true 60fps scan lines are very visible even though 1080i still looks a LOT BETTER THAN 720p for that game because of the increased resolution.

My dell is technically 1080p I love my 2405 I use components for ps3 and that is why I cannot run true 1080 because of HDCP CRAP! But my mac runs everything just fine with 1080p it's just I cannot use HDMI which does kind of bite but....

Blurays looks WAAAAAAAAAY better in 1080i because of the increased resolution and the fact that most film is at 24fps.

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no-spin - 267 days 7 hours ago

1080i > 720p

At least i notice it is visually better, smother graphics on 46 in tvs

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sukru - 267 days 6 hours ago

Come on, did you even "try" to read what I said.

GPUs are no longer "graphics only", but a very powerful general purpose (cannot emphasize this enough) numerical processors.

Take a look at http://gpgpu.org/, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

And finally, we're not comparing CPUs, but "systems". Last time I checked, my graphics card is still in my system. (Which is a PC if you need reminding).

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ikaris - 266 days 9 hours ago

No offense but, you guys are kinda taking the convo. astray.
Who gives a **** if flower isn't fully 1080p? Killzone2 is only 720p, and I imagine God of war III will also be 720 by the time they are done with it.

Sometimes theres just too much going on for 1080p.

That being said, Flower is the best game I've played for a long time.
It isn't just interactive art, look on thatgamecompany's website.
Or maybe I just read about this in my history of video games class, but they have a list of development goals, and they orient the design around having everyone able to play, but giving room so 'hardcore' gamers can still have fun.

Oh, and 360fanboys, flower would never feel like flower with the 360 controller... the biggest part of flower is the immersion, and flower with the sticks would just be so lame.

Sorry wii owners, even with motion controls, its just not as sexy,

flower can only exist on the psn, and I think it makes ps3 owners just a little happier to know that.

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 267 days 8 hours ago

nice.

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jams_shop - 267 days 8 hours ago

I used to believe to PCs were PC(Personal Computer)

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SuperM - 267 days 8 hours ago

Not in a viable way no... because it would limit the game to the few amount of consumer having good enough pc to run it. And it would require a really really high end cpu to run. Because cell is more powerfull then most cpu's and this game is optimized for a system that only run games, not all kinds of other programs at the same time.

bringing up PC in these discussions is really stupid though. Because tecnically you could link together all the pc's in the world and create a monster pc that would run anything.

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Philip J Fry - 267 days 8 hours ago

So your saying it CAN be done on a PC? Awesome.

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Fishy Fingers - 267 days 7 hours ago

Of course it could be done on a PC. A PC of a certain level, and one I guarantee you could not afford for the price of a PS3, or 5.

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GiantEnemyFlop - 267 days 7 hours ago

it can be done, but YOU will Never Ever can Play this game without PS3

buy the way, why bringing pc always when comparing who's powerful between the 3 console, it just plain stupid

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HolyOrangeCows - 267 days 4 hours ago

But seriously, these ''only possible on'' things are getting old.

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evilmonkey501 - 266 days 21 hours ago

You might actually have a clue what this article is about....This game really does look amazing in action.

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Etseix - 267 days 7 hours ago

LOL!
*and u will be able to see ants too*

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evilmonkey501 - 266 days 18 hours ago

that's funny

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Dimitri - 266 days 18 hours ago

hayfever hahahahahaha ;D

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GiantEnemyFlop - 267 days 7 hours ago

keep living the xbots dream

by the way, it was 33GB loser

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jBat17 - 267 days 5 hours ago

MGS4 360 = MGS 4: Substandard

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randomwiz - 267 days 3 hours ago

all of you are wrong, MGS4 was compressed a bit to fit the 50gb limit of blu ray.

"MGS4 is comming.." you just lost all your creditability there.

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ambientFLIER - 266 days 12 hours ago

Lol, I remember when the PS3 dorks were bragging how Unreal III wasn't possible on the 360, and then it came out with better graphics. Lol.

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Hallucinate - 267 days 3 hours ago

do you think the computer cares whats it renedering? no it doesnt either it can do it, or it cant

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Bathyj - 266 days 21 hours ago

Who said those games were impossible?

They're both running on multiplatform engines.

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cayal - 267 days 1 hour ago

Of course you'd know..being joe average on an internet forum.

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evilmonkey501 - 266 days 18 hours ago

if your not here to read what other people think and to discuss, then why are you here? Not every single person on the internet is "the average joe",(whatever that means) and some people actually DO know more than, ...well....YOU,

Personally, I like the game.

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ULTIMATE_REVENGE - 267 days 4 hours ago

so your saying MS didn't ruin the 360 by remaking Shiats of War 1.1, to tell you the truth SOW1.1 looks like a tech demo of some realy old ps1 game, hows that for trash talk!

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Man_of_the_year - 267 days 4 hours ago

Can you use proper terms if you want to get a point across? what is SOW? and what version is 1.1? I have never heard of these games on the 360.

Please try a little bit to act somewhat mature enough to atleast type what the proper names are of games...unless SOW is a real game that i am unaware of.

I prefer Blades trash talk better cause it actually makes more sense than yours...your is just reaching with no class or tangibility. You sound like a 12 year old kid who doesn't have enough intellect yet to make a witty response.

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pwnsause - 266 days 21 hours ago

poor bots, they come in to troll on against a game thats been given universal acclaim on dozens of sites. its ok bots, your trauma of having no games will continue throughout the year. just keep playing your $20 DLC. AHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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jeseth - 266 days 20 hours ago

Funny how the expensive hardware Sony puts in its consoles becomes mainstream 2 or 3 years later! Those guys at Sony must have a crystal ball. LOL.

C'mon dude. That Blu Ray comment was lame.

As for the Flower thing, not sure many other games are jealous of PS3 having this "game". I buy a ton of stuff from the PS Store but Flower just ain't my cup of tea.

MORE PIXEL JUNK PLEASE!

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ambientFLIER - 266 days 10 hours ago

The PS2 didn't introduce DVD technology. It was mainstream already.

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pwnsause - 266 days 21 hours ago

because thats the closest they can get to a GOW Clone, a Multiplatform game HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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ULTIMATE_REVENGE - 267 days 3 hours ago

KZ2's CGI was proven to be a target render, so i dont see whats wrong with that?, & heavenlySword is just the worlds crapiest game to me, it looked crap from the start, & WarHawk never had a CGI trailer they showed off realtime gameplay for warhawk.

but anyways your completely off the point, you went on about CGI trailers & i was talking about realtime gameplay, those screenshots of DMC4 when it was exclusive to PS3 is clearly realtime & looks much better then the final build, the finale version of the game looks like crap & that was after it went multiplat, its because of the 360

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evilmonkey501 - 266 days 18 hours ago

I think were pretty much all video game nerds here.

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Bathyj - 266 days 21 hours ago

He's just the normal bot loser. No games to play. Nothing better to do. Never even talks about XB, just bad mouths PS3. Wants one so bad but his paper route wont pay for it. Only 10 and hasn't discovered masturbation yet otherwise he wouldn't be first in every article he'd just be pulling himself. Even PSN games threaten him.

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