Revisiting Vgchartz Predictions for Hardware Sales Worldwide in Nov & Dec

thereapersson - 368 days 5 hours ago

Is it really that much harder to type "see" instead of "c"?

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TOO PAWNED - 368 days 5 hours ago

I don't think he knew how to write "see" before you just told him

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mint royale - 368 days 4 hours ago

You clicked on the link to post that? Did you read the article? Hmm... oh dear.

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gaffyh - 368 days 3 hours ago

What are these numbers from? Are they just the usual VGChartz guesstimates or from NPD, Gfk, MediaCreate?

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whitto - 368 days 2 hours ago

does it really matter he typed "c" instead of "see" ?

I mean, you still understood what he meant and its not like what he's typing is getting marked or something.

People dont have to write in full for you, if you dont like it dont read it.

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whoelse - 368 days 1 hour ago

The PS3 would be performing so much better if the economy was where it was a year ago. Kaz Hirai (spelling?) said that the PS3 would be very little effected by the poor economy but he was very much mistaken. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony drop the price very soon, perhaps before Killzone 2.

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Fishy Fingers - 368 days 4 hours ago

How anyone can consider selling nearly 20 million units of anything in 2 years a failure is beyond me (well lets be fair, 9/10 of "those" comments are attention seeking and little more)

KZ is Sonys last hope huh, recall people saying the same thing about countless games. The PS3 may have been out sold by the 360 since it's price cut but it's going no where, and honestly, when people wise up to that perhaps we can all get back to concentrating on games rather than playing at cooperate loyalists. Perhaps...

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mint royale - 368 days 4 hours ago

its just the way things seem to be. PS3 at 19 million is doing brilliantly as is the 360 at 27 million. Even the is flamed and disregared even though it is the most successful console ever and approaching 50 million units sold.

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Sevir04 - 368 days 3 hours ago

Being an "Overpriced" Gaming machine, priced higher than it's competition and releasing one year after it's competitor with less game, always gets over looked. but selling 19 million worldwide in 2 years with all the backlash and badmouth from industry professionals industry bias, industry fanboys, and fanboys, and most recently journalist in other industries, like CNN and NewYork Times, is an austounding feat, i dont think any other company but sony could have pulled this off, with having built up it's fanbase across teh board, with 3 previous playstation products and it's now flagship successor it's fair to say that Sony's PS3 will be supported vigorously through out it's progected ten year Cycle, and likely as 2009 goes on The products of sony's labor will will harvest and give them a closer competitive edge For them this year and the years to come.

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solidt12 - 368 days 2 hours ago

I think the PS3 prediction show how a bad economy can really throw off predictions. The economy went from bad to worse in Novemeber, or did every one forget that already. Those higher than expected sales of the Wii and Xbox 360 could of been potential PS3 sales if the Economy was better.

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sak500 - 368 days ago

Original xbox sold 20-25million before being thrown in the bin. OVerall sales doesnt matter in most cases when bigger issue is revenue or loss, which determines life of a product. HOw much is sony willing to keep losing on ps3 is the question?

The argument of VG charts favoring 360 console is shot down by this report. Need to bookmark it for future references. Teh sony lovers always complained about VG under projecting sony and over projecting 360 sales numbers. See the only 3 platforms which were way below their projections were sony's. Ninty and MS over achieved the projections. Looks good for both companies. I'm sure Devs and industry watchers are busy looking at these figures and planning their projects.

Just glad that i got in the HD gaming in jan 06 with no regrets and looks like made the right choice.

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hitthegspot - 368 days ago

Bubble for you. They over estimated all of Sony and just the DS. However Nintendo DS can be explained that people most likely are waiting for the new DSi. On the same note, PS3 could claim that people are waiting for a price cut...

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sak500 - 367 days 23 hours ago

Tnx hittingthespot, bubbles back. I remembered one site nextgen wars or something, wonder whats the figure that site is showing. SDF used to lable the site as MS funded as well.

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thewhoopimen - 368 days 2 hours ago

MS doesn't sell sell windows pcs. Pc manufacturers do. Sony is a pc manufacturer as well.

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PS360WiiRocks - 368 days ago

Um duh but they make money off those manufacturers

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thewhoopimen - 368 days ago

Don't say something "duh" then and I wouldn't have to correct you.

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Hiruma Youchi - 368 days 2 hours ago

Lmao @ the way you putted that last phrase.

But I see where your coming from. VG are always called X360 fanboys and now people can actually see that they projected good numbers for the ps3. and look what happenned.

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thewhoopimen - 368 days 2 hours ago

I think VG's numbers were fair considering that everyone in the industry expected Sony to price drop in order to compete for the holiday season. Sony didn't because of the strong yen exacerbating losses on each ps3 unit sold worldwide due Western market recessions. Hopefully their preservation gambit was worth it because now they have to price cut into a slower sales season. Did they turn a profit for the quarter? Looks like they did, so let's see what they do next in this critical period.

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Dread - 368 days 2 hours ago

jenzo

be careful, what u say

this is n4g u might offend the sony defense force. they know the "real truth" and eventhough the numbers say otherwise the reality is that plasytation 3 did much better that the 360...

thir excuses will explain everything here is a sample:

playstation did much better considering the price

vcharts is biased towards 360

ms paid vcharts so the numbers are incorrect

everyone is hating on playstation and it is not fair becasue Sony can do no wrong

world wide sales are much better for playstation

playstation has had better sales overall worldwide for the first two years

etc etc etc

dont worry sony defense force and sackboys alike i have got ur back

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Jenzo - 368 days 1 hour ago

Shhh...I think they are listening.

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PirateThom - 368 days 2 hours ago

Their numbers are way off.

If you look at their front page, every single console is way overtracked.

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solidt12 - 368 days 2 hours ago

Actually some games are way off from actual sales at times and they never correct them. Like Motorstorm 2 and MGS 4. That is why people think they are biased. I remember a article from Konami stating MGS 4 hit 4.5 million sales and at the time Vg Chartz had like a 3.7 million. Motorstorm 2 hit 1 million and right now vgchartz says like half that amount.

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Dread - 368 days 2 hours ago

@killcrow

the thing is that it does not matter

if they criticize Sony or even seem to criticize Sony

the sony defense force will be up in arms.

so now even though they over predicted sony sales, they will spin it and say that they were right all along. the irony is delightful, but that is the problem with fanboys.

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PirateThom - 368 days 2 hours ago

If their main page is wrong, why trust anything else they've said?

I'm not talking a few thousand or even a million units, everything is overtracked by about 5 million units or more.

I was playing around with sales the other week, and this link was posted:

http://www.europe-nintendo....

The second number is sales up to a point from this year, the first number is VGChartz numbers from last year, but unless Sony managed to ship 7 million PS3s and Microsoft managed to ship 11m 360s in one month or in regions that aren't US, Japan or Europe, I really doubt trusting them is an option

PS3: 5.7 + 6 = 11.7m
360: 11 + 5 = 16m

VGChartz:
PS3: 19.2m
360: 27.2m

I can get the numbers for Wii as well, but I just had these to hand.

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mint royale - 368 days 2 hours ago

vgchartz weekly numbers may be debatable but overall they are accurate because they are based off the figures that MS, SOny and Nintendo give out.

Are you seriously suggesting that the xbox is at 22 million and the ps3 at 14 million?

I can bet you anything that when the big 3 announce their new shipped figures in a few weeks time that the wii will be near 50 million, 360 around 28-29 million and the ps3 21-22 million.

EDIT: The link you posted shows that in November 360 was at 25 million and the ps3 at 16 million (9 million lead? doubt that). Are you saying its not feasable for the 360 to have sold 2.5 million since november and the ps3 3 million?

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PirateThom - 368 days 1 hour ago

I took VGCHartz numbers from the end of 2007 and added Media Crate, NDP and Nintendo's leaked European numbers for last year and that's what I came to.

Like I said, I'm not exact, but there's no way in hell VGChartz are remotely close when their numbers are 7m and 11m higher than mine which are based on actual sales figures.

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mint royale - 368 days 1 hour ago

over 16 million and 22 million units respectively to retailers at the end of september which already debunks your figures. Vgchartz is alrite. Not completely accurate but in the right ballpark.

Vgchartz figures are based on the best sales figures- the 3 companies themselves.

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PirateThom - 368 days 1 hour ago

I'm not making up these figures though, these are recognised trackers (Media Crate, NPD and GfK). These are figures that are posted on a weekly/monthly basis on this site.

If there's a difference between their figures and Sony/MS/VGCHartz numbers, what can I tell you?

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mint royale - 368 days 1 hour ago

because we have the ACTUAL numbers from the companies themselves. NPD, media create etc may be accurate but they are still estimations like vgchartz. Also what about the small markets such as Australia, South and Central America, China, India, Brazil that your figures are missing?

Also if vgchartz is so unreliable why have you used their 2007 figures as your basis. Wouldn't that make your figures unreliable? Im sorry but vgchartz is alot closer than you are.

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Oner - 368 days 2 hours ago

Simply that the 360 actually beat playstation in sales in december and november

Yep. That seems about right. Why aren't you discussing the whole year though I wonder? Hypocrisy meter pegged at 9000!!!

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PirateThom - 368 days 2 hours ago

http://n4g.com/gaming/NewsC...

Read.

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Dread - 368 days 2 hours ago

@oner
because i am commenting on the article. if the article was for world sales it would be different

how exactly does that make me a hypocrite?

if u want why dont you give me the world sale number for 2008 ans i will gladly comment on them and discuss them with u in a civilized manner without insultin each other.

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Oner - 368 days 1 hour ago

NP, here you go Dread, Thanx to Pirate from the link he provided above.

As of 1/1/09
Europe (missing 10 weeks) + Media Create (missing 1 week) + NPD (missing last month):

Wii: 4,754,000 + 2,880,069 + 8,021,000 = 15,655,069
PS3: 2,196,000 + 987,514 + 2,818,800 = 6,002,314
360: 1,566,000 + 317,390 + 3,295,400 = 5,178,790

Hell, even if Sony DOESN'T outsell the 360 this year it won't be by that much! Not bad for the most expensive console available during that period and continuing on. NO ONE can dispute that.

Plus how the PS3 has outsold the 360 in comparison to it's year to year comparison (first 2 years 360 vs first 2 years PS3)

BUT how it also outsold it even during it's direct date comparison last 2 years (360) vs last 2 years (PS3)

I mean come on! How is FACTUAL information spinning ANYTHING?!?! I've said it before and will say it again. It's almost not even worth it to try and explain things to people WHO JUST DON'T GET IT.

Seriously. People need to STFU. Open their eyes, shut their mouths, listen & think before speaking...only then will they be able to understand/hear the truth and stop spreading misinformation.

(That's not really directed at you Dread but a general statement for the state of N4G)

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Dread - 368 days 1 hour ago

well oner thanx for the numbers but u did not answer my question how am i a hypocrite?

if your numbers are accurate and i'll assume they are then the playstation and 360 are both doing ok. i think that it is remarkable that the 360 is actually competing with sony. ms has leveled the playing field something that i thought would be impossible. I thought that sony would be destroying ms by now. the fact that we are head to head speaks volumes on the progress ms has done from one gen to the next.

i congratulate sony for pushing an expensive system so well, but i also give credit to ms for competing with sony (with hardware problems to boot)

at the end we both win so i hope we can at least agree on that

next time try not to insult me it is completely unnecessary

peace

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Oner - 368 days 1 hour ago

You spew stuff about "n4g and the sony defense force", get proven wrong and yet you don't see the hypocrisy in that?

NVM. Like I said, some people just don't get it.

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wii ftw - 368 days 1 hour ago

why are you so aggressive, especially after what your posting isn't completely true?

Do you have any evidence that the ps3 outsold the 360 in 2007? No, there is none. Look at the figures from sony and microsoft and you'l see a slight Microsoft win. However it is so close that I'd just call it a virtual tie.

Also when the ps3 launched the 360 was only at 5.5 million after a diabolical first year. Now the gap is near 8 million. So since the ps3 launched the 360 has outsold it by over 2 million units.

However if the launches are alligned then the ps3 is ahead by over 2 million units.

Those are fair facts. Stop being so aggressive.

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Oner - 368 days 1 hour ago

Where the hell are you getting your info from? Because NPD, Media Create and Euro (via Ninty) support what I am saying much more than your "info"?

"Now the gap is near 8 million" I may be wrong and can admit so when the full numbers release but that is HIGHLY improbable. But either way that would only show total sales and not comparative year to year 360 to PS3 and my point of what I said earlier anyway?

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wii ftw - 368 days 1 hour ago

actually LOOK at NPD in 2007 and you will see a clear victory for the 360. Remember teh ps3 struggles against the GBA?

actually LOOk at gfk figures for 2007 and you will see a clear victory for the ps3. The 360 was useless in Europe in 2007.

Japan was bad for both consoles.

Add the regions + LOOK at the SHIPMENT DATA from SOny and MS and you will see a virtual tie with MS just ahead but well within the margin of error. You have provided no evidence to the contrary for 2007 have you?

I wish I could bet with you that the gap when the figures are released in 2 weeks will be between 7.5 and 8 million consoles. The gap in septmeber was 5.5 million and since the 360 price cut the xbox has gained 2 million. Do the math.

edit- actually looking and sony and MS last shipment figures on september 30th the gap was 6 million so I think my prediction is safe.

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Oner - 368 days 1 hour ago

We'll see.

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mint royale - 368 days ago

the figures to be released at the end of january go up to last quarter -31st of december so I think 8 million may be a tad optimistic but it will be close!

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cliffbo - 368 days 2 hours ago

@Hiruma. it took MS 7 years to get up to 14 million live users and it took Sony 2 years to get up to 16 million PSN users. what's to understand?
and Sony sold 3 million more consoles even though they delayed in Europe... again, what's not to understand there. Sony are doing just fine.

@Dread. what are you talking about? you don't have to sign up to PSN on the PS3 at all. don't know what you've been reading

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Aquanox - 367 days 22 hours ago

According to this the Xbox 360 has outsold the Playstation 3 WORLDWIDE by more than a 1 million margin in 2008.

What a come back.

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boodybandit - 367 days 20 hours ago

the N4G administrator, although after spamming this same message of yours above 20X I doubt he will listen, and ask for a lighter sentence?

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