PlayStation 3 Video - Sony E3 Comparison Reel

Handsome_Devil - 369 days 16 hours ago

"They lied about 4d"

MotorStorm Says hi your statement, go and read what a 4D is.

"All that aside, Killzone2 is the best looking game to ever run on a console. BUT sony said the PS3 was futureproof."

and what does killzone2 have to do with it?? the devs. said it will use up to 60% of the Cell, and that not for the whole game, only when needed.

I just don't get your statements my friend.

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GiantEnemyCrab - 369 days 15 hours ago

Don't forget arrogant Breakfast. =)

You will work a second job for a PS3 it's that good! LOL

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pswi60 - 369 days 14 hours ago

Finally breakfast shows his true colors again..."sony telling the consumers lies"...um the 1st xbox, rrod, and scratched disks all say hi

As for the target videos, everyone knows the xbox 360 versions of these games blow the target videos away...

http://farm4.static.flickr....

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Breakfast - 369 days 13 hours ago

...its the unfunny chart.

Keep posting it everywhere, maybe youll get a laugh one day.

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PirateThom - 369 days 13 hours ago

Sony never said anything about Toy Story graphics on PS2, it was Microsoft about the XBox.

http://www.wired.com/scienc...

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Wile - 369 days 13 hours ago

CViper you really are pretty bad at sarcasm. :P

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ultimolu - 369 days 13 hours ago

Yes, because the other companies are saints as well.

Grow up Breakfast. Like I said, you are a joke!

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 369 days 13 hours ago

Haha...that was amazing.

I agree. Sony lied.

Phil Harrison said Killzone 2 may even be able to compete with Crysis. Boy, was he wrong! It's MUCH better looking than Crysis.

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morganfell - 369 days 13 hours ago

CViper, look at this:

http://www.microsoft.com/pr...

Look at the comments by MR. BLACKLEY

Scroll down and read his 5th comment. The one that begins with "So, we have to keep in mind..."

Pay particular attention to paragraph 4.

Well, Pirate already beat me to it. Here is what he said:

"These guys are achieving the level of visual detail that you really did get in Toy Story, and this is a real game, this is the way the game really plays."

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PirateThom - 369 days 13 hours ago

It just shows how much hate there's always been for Sony, since that's been attributed to them for years.

Obviously, Microsoft have never lied, decieved consumers, present CGI as in-game footage or been arrogant.

No, only Sony, who then still take the abuse, even when they do deliver.

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Action Bastard - 369 days 13 hours ago

And Microsoft said the RROD was only happening to the "vocal minority", Live Anywhere and IPTV were coming and the 360 didn't need HDMI. It's the circle of life!

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cherrypie - 369 days 11 hours ago

Sony's standard practice with the PS is to sell a "super-mega super-turbo super-computing" game system.

Every gen they do it, every gen they over-promise and under deliver. Its called *marketing*.

No suprises. They've been doing this for YEARS. Some people just choose to ignore the lies and shortcoming, others prefer reality.

The bull-video behaviour is just dishonest, nothing short of that. Its unfortunate that so many people *want* to be lied to.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 369 days 11 hours ago

Oh yeah..Microsoft never talk trash..

http://vbforums.gametrailer...

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pswi60 - 369 days 11 hours ago

What are you talking about? It's called a "target render" for a reason. Sony does not say: "This is what Killzone 2 will look like on your TV after it is realeased"...I mean seriously, do you think people popped Motorstorm into their ps3 and said "Ahh crap it doesn't look like the target render!!!!!" NO, they have fun playing the game just like i did.

Seriously, this isn't about target renders. For the most part, the ign video states they were mostly on par except for some textures and lighting, and also stated KZ2 is the best looking game on consoles.

So in the last week, the SAF has attacked Home, PS3 USA sales, now the target renders (again), PSN, No games (still), Blu-ray, downloadable games, Jesus Christ himself, i mean, either play the games or don't. But you SAF guys must be pretty scared the way you've been attacking lately. Why don't you go play Gears or Fable and leave the ps3 alone...

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morganfell - 369 days 9 hours ago

@ ThatCanadianguy420,

Remember, when the 360 launched we were going to be able to sell T Shirts and our own mods such as paint jobs for cars in racing games. Hell, the reality is I can't even download a free usermade map in UT3.

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MNicholas - 369 days 9 hours ago

GT5 looks better and is technically superior
KZ2 is, in some aspects, not as good technically as the CGI but certainly looks better thanks to the advanced lighting and post-processing
Resistance looks better and is technically superior

Drake doesn't quite look as sharp in some regards but is better in others
Heavely Sword looks spot on

Motorstorm does not look as good as the CGI.

Between those games, 3 look better, 2 are about even, and 1 is failed to live up to expectations.

Thats a pretty good record.

I remember with the PS2 people were claiming that Sony said that they would have Toy Story graphics, but it turned out that it was Microsoft that made the claim for the Xbox! Just google it.

You can see all of the old PS2 marketing demos on youtube and none of them even come close to actual PS2 games like GT5, God of War, Jak, etc...

If you want to see false advertising, look no further than Microsoft.

Free 4xMSAA? Only if you're not rendering in HD.
256GBs bandwidth? Bandwidth inside a single component doesnt count.
115Gflops CPU? Sorry, more like 76.8 Gflops says IBM.
6 threads CPU? Nope. It's actually 3 cores with hyperthreading, not 6 full threads due to only 3 execution units, 4 less than the Cell. That's why no one's clamouring to use those in supercomputers. The Xbox360 CPU is easy to use but slow and inefficient.
Want to play online? Only if you fork out $50 every year when everybody else doesnt charge a penny. Nickel and dime pricing!
HD video? Are you one of those suckers who paid $200 for a USB powered paper-weight with an HD-DVD logo on it?
HD netflix? Are you kidding? It's so compressed and pixelated that I'd rather watch a good VHS recording than get seizures from watching the Xbox netflix stuff. Plus, why should I have to use a PC to create the list of movies? Oh wait, it's Microsoft!

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MNicholas - 369 days 9 hours ago

A reporter did in an article about the PS2. Microsoft also said Toy Story in an article/interview about Xbox. Not a single PS2 demo looked anywhere near as good as GT4, God of War, Jak, Ratchet, etc...

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Some_One_Plays - 369 days 6 hours ago

Resistance: Fall of Man was a launch title that looked better than anyone's first person shooter launch title (Perfect Dark Zero). As the years go by they're getting closer to that reality and you can't say the same for any other company. Heavenly Sword was perfect when I was playing the only thing I didn't like was the length of the campaign.

Plus one thing that the other companies don't deliver on is HD (High Definition) graphics. I'm wondering what Wardevil will look like and if that will be the next step after Killzone 2. Nothing comes close to Killzone 2 but pre-rendered footage.

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Jenzo - 369 days 6 hours ago

Funny how IGN forgot to mention some of these trailers in their little video. Why do they only use the first part of the pre-rendered Killzone 2 trailer in their comparison? Try comparing the pre-rendered explosions to the ones found in the game lol!

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PirateThom - 369 days 6 hours ago

Good video.

"People were shocked"

Yeah, I'm sure they were... if they don't know what a target render is, I would be shocked too.

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Jenzo - 369 days 4 hours ago

Are you saying people should have been confident that the Killzone 2 and Motorstorm trailers were pre-rendered, when no one had seen or knew what in-game graphics would look like on the PS3? Why would they be target renders when no other companies demonstrated target renders the way Sony did? There was no reason to believe they were not in-game.

Most people don't know what a target render is unless they are hardcore gamers or game developers.

If it was so obvious why didn't Sony introduce it as a target render to begin with? I mean why hide it if you aren't trying to deceive the audience?

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PirateThom - 369 days 4 hours ago

Because, many, many games are introduced using target renders, not just on PS3 and maybe, just maybe, the media expected the PS3 to produce CGI quality in real time, without actually caring that Sony never said it was in game, the media just assumed it was.

Why did Microsoft do the same with Halo 3 but no one complained?

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Jenzo - 369 days 3 hours ago

The Halo 3 trailer was much more cinematic than Sony's E3 2005 trailers. It was a teaser and Bungie never claimed it was in-game graphics.

"just maybe, the media expected the PS3 to produce CGI quality in real time, without actually caring that Sony never said it was in game, the media just assumed it was."

Here are some excerpts from IGN's reports of E3 2005:

"UPDATE: We have just been updated by our away team at the SCEA conference that not only will 1080p be supported by the system, but that this is considered the standard resolution for the system. Every game for the PS3 will be in incredible, indelible, indubitable HD."

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

What happened to that standard? MS said 720p would be the sweetspot of this gen. Guess who was right?

Another question, why did Jack Tretton state that it was "real gameplay running on devkits" when it was CGI? Why didn't he just say "the Killzone trailer is actually CGI", if media already knew? How come Geoff Keighley even asked him about it if it was that obvious?

Look at 3:50 into the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Is the video fake, or how do you intend to spin this?

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pixelsword - 369 days 1 hour ago

http://e3.gamespot.com/stor...

They don't say who, but I remember that someone said it was in real time.

Really can't blame anyone until you pinpoint who said it, though.

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indysurfn - 369 days ago

at this point if your still believing the Sony hype your a fool. A hopeless fool. But how about them colts?

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Some_One_Plays - 368 days 23 hours ago

"The Halo 3 trailer was much more cinematic than Sony's E3 2005 trailers. It was a teaser and Bungie never claimed it was in-game graphics."

- Jenzo

E3 06: Halo 3 announced, plot details revealed HTML: http://e3.gamespot.com/stor...

"[UPDATE]: We got a close-up look at the Halo 3 trailer--which is reportedly rendered in real-time--with Bungie representatives; its setting is a Covenant-occupied Earth."

- GameSpot

"What happened to that standard? MS said 720p would be the sweetspot of this gen. Guess who was right?"

- Jenzo

What XBOX 360 game runs at 720p because most of them aren't even HD let alone in 720p? Halo 3 (not HD), PGR3/PGR4 (not HD), Perfect Dark Zero (not HD), Ninja Giaden 2 (not HD)...at least Sony exclusives are at 720p besides Haze. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (HD 720p/1080p), Killzone 2 (HD 720p), Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (HD 720p), Ridge Racer 7 (HD 1080p), Resistance: Fall of Man/Resistance 2 (HD 720p)...

Xbox 360 to get high-definition 1080p resolution support HTML: http://www.techspot.com/new...

Reality the PlayStation 3 uses HDMI 3.1a while the XBOX 360 uses an HDMI 2.1 old technology. Microsoft throught you could upgrade their console using an update but in reality you needed an HDMI cable. This I think is partly why XBOX 360 doesn't stream HD movies while everything on the PlayStation 3 hits 1080p. It's safe to say your HDMI cable for the XBOX 360 serves no purpose if nothing is in HD, don't you think?

The second Xbox 360 (with HDMI): introducing "Zephyr" HTML: http://www.joystiq.com/2007...

Lists of 1080p games available for Xbox 360 and PS3 HTML: http://www.makeyougohmm.com...

No 1080p games for PS3 this year, predicts Microsoft exec HTML: http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

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thewhoopimen - 368 days 22 hours ago

Jenzo, there's an obvious reason why you don't work in the game industry. I'm sorry, but you would be the only guy on that floor who would think a target render equates actual gameplay.

The target render showcase is an industry standard practice of publishers or game studios use to present their up and coming work. I don't think anyone within the industry or in the industry media would have "fallen" for this purported bait and switch claim.

Common Sense and logic would dictate that a media reporter "couldn't" report graphics as "in-game" until 1) They actually saw personnel handling it in real time or 2) they played a demo.

Your strawman argument holds no weight and I suggest you desist drumming up ignorance and misinformation in your wake.

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I_am_rushin - 368 days 21 hours ago

Goodbye.

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Dareaver1 - 368 days 20 hours ago

You people are just blind....

Because he provided videos that showed supported what he was saying.

To again, reiterate what he said... The videos show Sony execs saying that the games are in real time. None of them show the trademark target render in the bottom right corner.

Some of you act like you can't rap your heads around it. Sony clearly mislead their audience in E3 05'. That's the obvious truth, and then you have Pixelswords with more speculation.....

Jenzo gave you video proof.... Video proof.... how can you argue against video proof? No wonder he didn't respond.... he had a logical and reasonable debate, and you all just jump on him like there was no grounds to his argument (again, with video proof...)

Maybe i'm wasting my breath...... You know what.... Forget what i said... Don't even bother responding.... I'm done, because if he can't get reasonable responses, what makes me think that i will....

Game on people....

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Dareaver1 - 368 days 20 hours ago

is one of the worst offenders on this site. He brings up an article released in 2006, 2006 what is your deal....

He deliberately goes online searching for any neg against 360, wow.... that's dedication...

And he shows a complete ineptitude for what he finds. Regardless of what he thinks... The 360 could do 1080p through vga. But because of copyright protection, 1080p was relegated to be only capable through a digital signal, which mandated the HDMI cable. Please stop with your utter nonsense and bull....

1080p is a resolution, that's it.... It has been mandated that it be through HDMI for movie playback, not games, but movies (that's where the issue with the HD-DVD drive came from). So those with the 360 that does have vga, can still play 1080p games on tv's that support vga.... So stop showing your proof of ignorance (as in not knowing).

And then you want to talk about someone not living up to what they say.... Sony said, aghem Sony said that 1080p was going to be the standard.... Yeah, what happened there....? Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones....

And then there is CViper, who just writes endlessly for what purpose. Whose gonna take mister sarcastic seriously...

Oh and i know i said i wasn't gonna respond, but i've already had a debate/conversation with SomeOne, and he still is using that old article, wiched irked me.... into a mandatory response....

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sretlaw - 368 days 15 hours ago

"What happened to that standard? MS said 720p would be the sweetspot of this gen. Guess who was right?"

I'd rather have 1080p (which Sony works hard to get us). And if 720p is the sweet spot, then MS must be blind cause they keep coming short of that spot.

Dareaver1, you seem to be lost... Sure Jenzo gave a video reference, but Some_One just came back and gave references not to show that Jenzo is wrong, but to show that Jenson is wrong to point his finger at Sony and yell liar while supporting MS. Sure, Sony made some promises that they didn't keep, but they have been doing as much as they can to try and deliver. Sony is like a techie nerd who just loves new technology, they have to talk about it...and they have been generally right. 1080p should be the new standard, and MS seemed to be completely oblivious to this, just like they were "oblivious" to the 360's hardware reliability.

There's nothing wrong with calling Sony evil, but IMHO there seems to be a lot wrong with thinking that MS is the lesser of two evils...

BTW Dareaver1, it's not hard to do what Some_One does. He doesn't have to scour the internet for good sources to bash anything, he just needs to save anything he sees that supports his arguments. He collects information and uses it logically, I know this must be some kind of new thing for you Dareaver1 but information is power (sorry for the cliche), and your information has no power. VGA LOL yea...that really made a point.

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na2ru1 - 367 days 21 hours ago

Halo 3 e3 and 2006 trailer was BS period.

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mazirjones - 369 days 12 hours ago

I've never been more irritated watching a video in my entire life.

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PoSTedUP - 369 days 12 hours ago

yes and these devs have ALOT of talent. motorstorm1 blew my mind the game was just so crazy, resistance1 didnt blow my mind graphically because i played it for the first time like 3 months ago, the game was incredible for a launch title.

the power of the ps3 delivered the first year with incredible graphics even though the devs were working with something really tricky known as the cell processor, THATS how talented sonys first party devs are.

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InyaAzz - 369 days 12 hours ago

exactly what kind of TV do you have?

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phosphor112 - 369 days 4 hours ago

if Motorstorm looked like that. Next goal? Make Motorstorm 3 look like that (add some NEW gameplay features too). Right now though, I'm enjoying my Motorstorm 2.

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NegativeCreep427 - 369 days 12 hours ago

over promised and under deliver

You forgot Too Human!!! Thats the biggest item on that list.

Suck on that, Stupid Jack!

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NegativeCreep427 - 369 days 12 hours ago

Can I ask you a question? How the hell does an idiot like you define Little Big Planet as a flop with a 95% metacritic average and with nearly 1.5 million units sold in less than 55 days on the market? Also remember the fact that it was an unproven, original IP when it hit the market. How the hell do you xbot idiots rationalize that in your minds? Seriously.

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moreover - 369 days 12 hours ago

i like how u sayed "55 " days like its a standard ROFL. metacritic doesnt feed the dev's families. the amount of hype those 2 had i expected alot better sells than DLC but alas it fails.

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NegativeCreep427 - 369 days 12 hours ago

I knew it. Whenever you losers are called out and are givin the task of defending your positions in a truly logical way, You F*cking idiots totally avoid the issue at hand. You didn't even answer my question, which just proves how f*cking ignorant and unsubstantiated you idiot's "arguments" are.

"i like how u sayed "55 " days like its a standard ROFL. metacritic doesnt feed the dev's families"

What the F*ck does feeding their families have to do with any of this?

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lance - 369 days 11 hours ago

well i can tell negative u dont have a job, if it doesnt sell then they lose money and wont do a sequel etc and its a chain... calling other fanboys losers when u urself is one of the biggest sony fanboy in this site is really hilarious.so come back when YOU come back and defend or spin in a logical way. good day.

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goflyakite - 369 days 11 hours ago

"the amount of hype those 2 had i expected alot better sells than DLC but alas it fails."

Holy f*ck, not trying to be a grammar nazi or anything but seriously.
It's like every time I see someone bash Sony about 'sales' they say sells.

Pisses me off.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 369 days 11 hours ago

Negativecreep

Why do you try to reason with the open zoners? I realized a few months back that there all completely brain dead.I mean c'mon...

They idolize a console with a 33% failure rate that scratch's discs,doesn't even read the disc's half the time and uses last gen technology.

Disc tray? for f*ck sakes..even the Wii is better then that.
My advice,take a bubble put them on ignore and move to the gamer zone.

Edit:LMFAO!! 10 disagree's within 5 minutes.So you really took the time to pull out your other accounts..Wow man,wow.

Words can't even describe how much respect i have for your parents for putting up with you.

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lance - 369 days 11 hours ago

@goflyakite
then get off the internet jackass.usually people that come and bring the grammar sh1t usually cant bring anything to the table, makes them feel good.

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NegativeCreep427 - 369 days 11 hours ago

"well i can tell negative u dont have a job"

I actually don't have a job because I am currently a full-time student at the University of Southern California. But I am majoring in Business Science and Accounting so I believe I know a little more about the subject on business revenue financials than your middle-school caliber intelligence has. But by the way you type and write out your comments, I can tell lance that you've never heard of Hooked On Phonics.

"if it doesnt sell then they lose money"

So as of now, a sales record of nearly 1.5 million units isn't considered as anything to you? Let me spell that out for you: One Point Five MILLION units sold as of the recent reporting period and concurrently steady sales numbers mean absolutely nitch to you???

With such a high 95% average of review scores, LBP is a massive CRITICAL success.

With a very respectable figure of nearly 1.5 million units sold AND COUNTING and with no dip in sales numbers currently being seen, LBP is certainly a COMMERCIAL success and nowhere near the "flop" status that you stupid kids seem to see.

As both a COMMERCIAL and CRITICAL success, how exactly do you morons rationalize your "arguments" that LBP is a flop? That is what I wanted to know.

But sometimes I forget that this website is primarily populated with stupid, immature kids that couldn't survive on there own independently for even one freaking week. Street Trash like you, lance, don't even know what "logic" is. If you did, you wouldn't have made that stupid comment up there ^ about me needing to use logic when all my comments here have all been logically sound.

With such an obvious display of retained ignorance and stubbornness I swear to God, xbot butt-buddies like lance and moreover or going to be seen 20 years from now living near freeway off-ramps washing driver's windshields for penny's and nickels.

Despite my attempts at trying to obtain some kind of a sensible answer, I have come up empty-handed. Thanks for the complete waste of time, you MS fanboys.

Trying to get any kind of a reasonable, valid response from you idiot MS fanboys is like trying to negotiate business deals with mentally-handicapped people: You may get some contacts and deals from them, but at the end of the day your still talking with f*cking retards!

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goflyakite - 369 days 11 hours ago

No you GTFO the internet with your, "won't feed the families!" crap.

MM is doing amazing, considering how small their company is.
What is LBP at right now, over a million?
I'm sure they can feed their families you idiot.

Anyways I'm gonna get out of here, because regardless of what I say I'm going to get like 10 disagrees in a minute, and probably -bubbles.

edit: lol @ the last few paragraphs negative. :D

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lance - 369 days 10 hours ago

yup all sony bs talk. LBP should of sold millions in a month,not f!ck1ng after 2 months with all the hype.Dont come with that schooling bs cause at the end of it all ur still a sony d1ckrider and a hypocrite.

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goflyakite - 369 days 11 hours ago

No, it just sucked really bad.

:'(

edit: Sorry, what I meant to say was, "TOO HUMAN GOTY 2009!"

:D?

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pansenbaer - 369 days 9 hours ago

I appreciate you changing your avatar. Osiris was pissing me off...

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pansenbaer - 368 days 16 hours ago

I took me like 2 minutes before it would play. It had to buffer for quite a while. For some reason I couldn't embed it either. It didn't give me the code to embed. Something about having to be an "Inside Subscriber"...

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