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Bethesda: 'Oblivion data duplication was exaggerated'

Oblivion will make extensive use of the PS3's hard drive by caching multiple gigabytes of data, which helps with load times. Bethesda's Pete Hines has commented that recent reports of data duplication on the PS3 Oblivion disc have been exaggerated, and this technique isn't different from the similar strategy that was employed in the creation of the Xbox 360 game last year. Lastly, it's unclear if or when the PS3 will see the Shivering Isles content that's on the way to the PC and Xbox, though with a burgeoning PlayStation Network and plenty of unfilled hard drive space, it's not hard to imagine the expansion can be made available to PS3 owners somewhere down the road.

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Published: 1052 days 2 hours ago | News | PlayStation 3

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nice_cuppa - 1052 days 10 hours ago

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1 - so its a gamespot article from a ps3 site to here !

they say its the hd that speeds up loading..ok so my hd equipt 360 could or does do this too.

(are the load speed comparisons confirmed faster on ps3 compared to hd equipt premium 360 or not as i have only read seem to be faster....! or are they comparing the ps3 version to the core 360)

there is a rendering patch coming to oblivion on 360 and pc that fixes the distant texture draw talked about in this article.( obviously not mentioned in this article as they are bigging up ps3)

the 360 and pc had it a year ago plus have add ons and the new expantion pack.

the other thing of note in this article is that data duplication was used on 360 too !!!

so dvd9 can do oblivion (which is huge as stated in this article) at 720p with all that audio and data duplication !?!

this to me was the most interesting thing in this article.

what do ps3 and 360 fans think ?

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Bebedora - 1052 days 1 hour ago

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1.1 - Just fyi

The loadingtimes are about 3-5 sec to load while switching areas, if at all, in PS3 version compared to what? 7-10 on PC/Xbox360? I cant remember exact figures but it's these differences we are talking about.

Since they are using HDD-caching instead of extra duplicated data on a blu-ray, it's more singel data than some thought from the beginning. Now, a Blu-Ray disc comes in handy again. We will se more of the same in the news, as long there are disbelievers, roaming the net writing about it in terms of: It's not needed! I dont want to buy a blu-ray player when buying a PS3! porn industry will not use t! oh-weeeeeeeee!

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1.2 candystop | 1052 days ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

Bebedora - 1051 days 23 hours ago

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1.3 - candystop

I just have to come back to that. Rightnow I have no possiblity watching this at this place.
But, I've seen it 'live' at a friends home on his xb360. That stuttering frames he showed was'nt that sexy. And wont be tollerated by me whatever console it's on.

[edit] He _did_ say it was a kick-a** game though. So I'm not trying to put the game down in general. [/edit]

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1.4 dantesparda | 1051 days 18 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

DJ - 1052 days 9 hours ago

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2 - I think it's great that Sony put HDDs as standard.

Helps developers like Bethesda out a lot. Having more room is always a plus as well. Complaining about more storage capacity equals complaining that developers are getting more freedom.

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nice_cuppa - 1052 days 9 hours ago

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3 - who was complaining ?

the point is sony told us we had to have it for the games.
it made the ps3 expensive.

bethesda have shown that we dont need it.

more space is nice but so is an affordable console.

i think everyone knows its movie format domination that blu-ray is in ps3 the benefit to games is not there.

if most ps3 games load to the hard drive anyway the only benefit blu-ray offers is that you can have the same disc in your ps3 from the beginning to the end of a game without changing disc.
(does anyone do this ?)
i for one tend to have 2 or 3 games on the go such as oblivion (1 player) then GOW (multiplayer) ect.

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deep - 1052 days 2 hours ago

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3.1 -

I think you're misconstruing the article. Yes if your making a multiplatform game you can get around it by using compression techniques - but still a lot has to come from downloading extra info, whereas the ps3 version can come with all the updated areas already on the disc. Also there is room to grow with blu-ray and also there's no need to worry about getting it onto a dvd, so time isn't taken up doing this.

In addition, having a harddrive as standard is a plus. The reason developers cannot use the xbox360 harddrive as a cache device, is because not everyone has one and so it cannot be relied on and so cannot be used at all for this purpose. Many developers have stated this as an advantage of the ps3.

IGN said the loads times of the ps3 are faster (3seconds, to xbox360's 7seconds) - but it's not notable at all really at this moment in time.

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lalaland - 1052 days 1 hour ago

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3.2 - XBLA games fit on a CD...

Does that mean we don't need DVD either? In fact games are made for PCs that could fit on floppy disc, does that indicate that even a CD-drive is overkill?

Throughout videogame history the amount of space needed by the average game has grown every single year, wether the extra space is really needed for entertaining gameplay or not. Nothing indicates that the same evolution won't happen in the coming years. And IF history is repeating itself, the space available on DVD will not suffice a couple of years down the road. Ofcourse games will still be made for DVD-only platforms (like X360), but platforms like PCs and PS3 will have moved on with "bigger" games.

Btw, games don't HAVE to install EVERYTHING on the harddrive to gain load speed improvements, and nothing hinders you from installing several games on the harddrive.

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3.3 candystop | 1051 days 23 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

deep - 1051 days 18 hours ago

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3.4 -

Oh wow. That's interesting. And slightly sad for those who don't have the drive. Is that really fair?...Couldn't they just have advantages for those with compared to those without - rather than needing a drive to play them.

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Columbo - 1051 days 22 hours ago

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4.1 -

I don't see how talking about Blu-ray and Forza have anything to do with this article. Did you even read it? Do you just copy and paste that in every article?

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Master of Menace - 1052 days ago

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5 - Blu-ray is here to stay, baby.

Yep. Once again, the PS3 nay sayers are proven wrong. They can only hold tight to their noisy, inferior DVD playback, XBOX 360 and make more excuses. We don't need it, they will cry. Well I'm happy for them, because they won't miss the definitive version of Oblivion. With better visuals, better loading times, expansion packs. The whole reason we wanted Blu-ray in the first place.

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5.1 candystop | 1051 days 23 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

Master of Menace - 1051 days 23 hours ago

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5.2 - Over exaggerate!

I'm just quoting the article. And I'm not lying. Read the article two more times then sleep on it. PS3 is getting the better deal. I'm glad they fixed the "muddy mess". Also, read the article on XBOX 360's design flaws.

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Jay da 2KBalla - 1051 days 17 hours ago

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6 - So let me get this straight

Sony fanboys are going crazy simply because they get a year old game that loads 4 seconds faster. That is pathetic. I do applaud sony for making the HDD standard. Microsoft should have done that as well. I dont know why they didnt just give the core system a 1 gb hdd or something like that and then they could probably still keep the price at 300.

Also, I dont understand what is with all this talk about Blu-ray has prevailed and all this other stuff about blu-ray. Blu-ray has nothing to do with this and FYI oblivion is only 4.2 gigs. Oh and sorry to bust you alls bubble but of course the game is going to have bug fixes, slightly better framerates, and slightly upgraded graphics beccause its coming out 1 year later its not because the ps3 is just magically better or something. Man some the people on this site need to get a clue for real.

Nevertheless these small enhancements will make the game overall better but I think you ps3fanboys be getting a little bit too happy.

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highps3 - 1051 days 14 hours ago

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6.1 - ...

You also paid $10 for DLC that we get for free. But whatever you want to believe. Hows that $60 a year working out for ya?

Oblivion is better on Ps3 in every way. We dont have horse armor though. Darn.

No matter what you say, you paid more and got less.. Bottom line.

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