Gran Turismo 5 crash damage proving a troublesome issue

The gaming GOD - 412 days 10 hours ago

The GT5 makers KNOW how to do it.

They are talking about actually being ALLOWED to do damage. They are referring to the fact that some makers still aren't allowing them to put damage on the cars. Such as Ferrari. This goes back to even the ps2 days when some makers said Polyphony makes GT too realistic and don't want their car interiors exposed by having car damage in the game

You have to read the links rather than just the headlines man

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MaximusPrime - 412 days 10 hours ago

mboojigga, you are one example of laziness

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pwnsause - 412 days 9 hours ago

" Wouldn't hurt for them to go to talk to Turn 2. "

When will you idiots realize that Forza is comprised of Arcade Damage???

Yamauchi wants to put realistic damage in GT5. Read my words: REALISTIC. its obvious that Car Companies dont like REALISTIC car Damage in a game, that could hurt their reputation. want to see a Car damage in Real life in a Ferrari??? take this Youtube video. Thats the Damage Yamauchi wants in GT5, not some cheap car Damage.

This was one of the reason why we do not see Car Damage in the GT series. Not to mention one of the Reasons why car companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini we not in previous iterations of Gran Turismo (except in Japan.)

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ultimolu - 412 days 9 hours ago

...No.

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AclayPS3 - 412 days 8 hours ago

"Wouldn't hurt for them to go to talk to Turn 2. "

First of all, it's Turn 10, not "Turn 2".

And second of all, Gran Turismo is on a much higher level than Forza.

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Danja - 412 days 8 hours ago

This was stated awhile back as the reason GT series didn't have damage to begin with...

but would really love to see it in GT5....

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Funky Town_TX - 412 days 8 hours ago

any excuse is complete BS. Go ahead and defend them all you want. A sim without damage is an arcade racer. I know the Sony faithful will kill me but so what.

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IDemonstalkerXI - 412 days 8 hours ago

The Sony faithfull want damage too.... Like the article says and others have said before it.

The issue is the car company's like ferrari in particular are hesitant to give the authorization for there cars to be wrecked in a driving simulator probably for fears of someone playing it and saying hmmm these other cars are a whole lot safer lol.

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RememberThe357 - 412 days 8 hours ago

So Burnout isn't an arcade racer because it has damage? OK...

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SnprSlick - 412 days 8 hours ago

You took his words out of context.

If you wanna call your game a simulator, you have to have damage. GT5 does not have damage. Therefore, it is not a simulator.

Burnout calls itself an arcade game.

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RememberThe357 - 412 days 7 hours ago

For it to be a simulator all it needs to do is try to replicate the driving simulation. That is what it does. Damage would add to the simulation but it is not the pivotal piece, such as how road conditions affect handling. I'm not defending the lack of damage, I'm saying that the logic is faulty.

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Tarasque - 412 days 7 hours ago

In the pic wonder if thats the one Eddie Griffitn wrecked.

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Fan Tastic - 412 days 7 hours ago

And of course give us the crapola floaty physics as well. The damage in Forza 2 is horribly implemented and not even close to realistic.

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C_SoL - 412 days 6 hours ago

You just made yourself look so stupid.

Read the damn article before you make assumptions.

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Oner - 412 days 6 hours ago

Those who think Forza's "crash damage" is realistic and qualifies it as a sim are bold faced lying and sorely mistaken. How is it you can crash into a wall at 150 mph or get into a head on collision and drive away with only your bumper missing? If that is the kind of crash damage that makes a "sim" I prefer it not being there at all. That's a band aid and not a fix.

The fact remains that the DRIVING physics (which is what you do...DRIVE) in GT5P is unmatched by Forza. Whether Ferrari allows a physical representation of crash damage or not does not mean GT5&P will not have crash damage all together.

Here are some examples of Forza's ever so accurate rendition of crash damage ~ /sarcasm /rollseyes /etc.

Skip to 1 minute and see a head on collision WITH NO DAMAGE
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Whole video is just really bad
http://uk.youtube.com/watch...

And my favorite the "coup de grace"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch...

If running up to 6th gear at more than 175mph into a wall only dents your hood is considered "realistic crash damage" then we absolutely know who is biased and blind to the FACTS....

Lastly watch this video and tell me that it "pwnzorz GT5P"
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

No way, no how, not ever. That looks & plays absolutely horrid. Good luck with that dual layer DVD giving you the best available space for more features, better graphics and options...

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plain rice - 412 days 5 hours ago

No sh*t Funky town. Nobody here is saying we don't need crash. We do want crash simulation. And when I say crash simulation I mean a realistic and dynamic one. Not no Forza 2 arcade style tacked on crash. You may call the GT series a SIM or not but it is the closest thing you can ever get realism in a driving video game.

BTW mboojigga, you're a joke man.

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pain777pas - 412 days 2 hours ago

Turn 2 still have a ways to go to become on the GT devs level. Look Forza is fun and the custom paint jobs are awsome nudies and all but seriously I got bored of the game it lacks style or soul or something. In other words it feels like a knock off. If GT devs include damage you'll see that they will do a superior job as always. YOU can't top the originators. Look at how hard SNK has tried in the 2d fighter scene and yet always come up short to the SF series. They are close but never get it right.

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killedinaction9 - 412 days ago

WTF???

Damage in not ON.If you knew anything about forza you would know there are different settings for damage.Its not just ON or OFF.If the settings were set to "realistic" then 1 small mistake and you're out of the race.

Well done for owning yourself.
Also thanks for posting some of the crappiest videos on YT.

I think we all know "who is biased and blind to the FACTS...."
LOL

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Deee187 - 411 days 22 hours ago

^killedinaction9 is right!

Damage in those forza 2 videos was set to minor or cosmetic so it just shows scratches.
But I do admit forza doesnt have the best crash physics even when they are turned on.

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SL1M DADDY - 411 days 20 hours ago

There is a reason the GT series is a billion dollar franchise and Forza is not. People love cars and they love GT. If you like to hop up cars and put cool paint jobs on them you buy games like Need for Speed or Forza. In the end, the crowd that is solid GT fans don't care much for Forza and those that like Forza typically don't care for GT. It's a fanbased game and they are both built with the fans in mind.

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fezthabest - 411 days 18 hours ago

Dude Gran Turismo series is a DRIVING simulator, not a CRASHING simulator. And anyways forza's only damage is what scratches when going like ful out on 6th gear WOW. They want a more burnout style damage system, probably even more dynamic.

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JasonXE - 411 days 18 hours ago

lol people still think gt series is sim. Oh that made my day lmao.

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prowiew - 411 days 17 hours ago

I hated the Gran Turismo and Forzas series. I hate sims. But really, GT needs to implement, at least, some kind of damage. Something!. It just looks like an old game, racing to walls or whatever and the car is still shiny!. Bah. Im a hater. Hate sims. Stick to motorstorm. Just more fun

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Oner - 411 days 15 hours ago

@ killedinaction9 ~ I have Forza 2, I played Forza 2 but just watch this video that will show my problems with it & with M$....

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The Lazy One - 411 days 14 hours ago

karma's a b!tch?

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Oner - 411 days 13 hours ago

@ Lazy ~ I wouldn't know, I don't beleive in karma. I got my 360 for free because it had RROD, spent all of $3 to fix it and call it how I see it. The 360's known & proven hardware issues goes to show it's not worth the "supposed" value & ever so "great" console it is touted to be...

But I just fixed it, AGAIN with 4 additional pennies (as I had only done the 8 penny not the 12 penny mod), tightened up the replacement X-Clamp mod screws a bit more, and added one more LLamma mod (aluminum foil on half the GPU http://img159.imageshack.us... but cleaner) If it happens again I only have either a 12v fan mod or a talismoon fan replacement (and I am not spending another dime on such a POS hardware component F that!).

As for the crash damage being not on sim...in the vids above, sure fine but you honestly beleive even the cosmetic represents reality? Though additionally the fact/point remains even in "sim" mode you could still drive away from a 150 mph crash into a wall and it will only show MINOR damage to the bumper & hood. Or do I have to video record it to really shut some people up?

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killedinaction9 - 411 days 12 hours ago

1.24 yeh i have my problems with MS too,but I also have problems with Sony.
I've had 3 RROD's too LOL.

1.26 there's a reason why you can't drive real cars in Burnout.

and if you're wondering i'm a big fan of the GT series as well.Who else do you know that's finished the 24hour Nurburgring endurance race in GT4 without the cpu driver.

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power of Green - 411 days 11 hours ago

*Ferrari Project* is superior to both games anyways.

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Oner - 411 days 10 hours ago

Mmm yeah sure....

This

http://www.autogaming.net/c...

is better than this

http://img229.imageshack.us...

Good luck with that vast Dual Layer space ability. Oh and BTW can you back that claim up with ACTUAL gametime play? Nope. Didn't think so.

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Bob Dole - 412 days 4 hours ago

Bob Dole wants slow motion crumpling of a 300 thousand dollar car at 200mph into a brick wall.

God damn that just sounds so sexy.

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Liquid_Ocelot - 411 days 19 hours ago

bob dole is the sh*t

On-Topic: GT5 w/ Damage FTW!! I wanna crash all the cars :D

[EDIT]
I hope they put some Bentley's, Maybach's & Roll Royce's in the game :D

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JBaby343 - 412 days 2 hours ago

I think lack of funds rather than "the cars are unsafe at high speeds" is the primary reason most people don't own these cars.

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NipGrip - 412 days 8 hours ago

The game is based around realism and sometimes, realism isn't "fun" in gaming. Imagine racing a 3-5 lap race online only to have some sore loser crash into you and it damages your wheel to the point you can no longer race. In real life, when a car hits something even at 30MPH, it can cause enough damage to render the car useless. To keep things as realistic as possible, adding car damage would be no fun for many, many gamers. It's not Burnout where your car magically reappears. Busting your tie rods from a side hit would be the end of the race for you. I imagine the game turning into crash 'em up derby and the last one to survive goes on to race the final 4 laps by himself.

Has noone thought of this yet, how realistic crashes would totally ruin the fun?

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RememberThe357 - 412 days 8 hours ago

They have probably thought about that.

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FantasyStar - 412 days 7 hours ago

I want PD to do as much as they can to make GT5 as realistic as possibly can be. Gearheads like us totally dig the realism, but hate it when stubborn fools like the Ferrari makers won't come to terms.

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Tarasque - 412 days 7 hours ago

Crash em up derby would be fun unlike the actual game though.

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sloth4urluv - 412 days 6 hours ago

Forza has damage, but you can always turn it off so its only cosmetic.

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DaTruth - 412 days 4 hours ago

That's why I never liked this game after GT1. Once it became realistic I just had no interest in it anymore. It's like playing a shooter, you get hit once in the leg and can't walk anymore then you get shot whilst crawling around on the ground... Realism is no fun!

Bubbles for NipGrip!!!

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Bob Dole - 412 days 4 hours ago

Surely there will be an option to turn it off. Or change the damage mode from arcade to simulation just like the driving physics.

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Liquid_Ocelot - 411 days 19 hours ago

DaTruth - 9 hours ago
"""That's why I never liked this game after GT1. Once it became realistic I just had no interest in it anymore. It's like playing a shooter, you get hit once in the leg and can't walk anymore then you get shot whilst crawling around on the ground... Realism is no fun!

Bubbles for NipGrip!!!"""

@ DaTruth:

I guess you wont be playing Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising in 09 =)

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ThanatosDMC - 412 days 8 hours ago

Try going the opposite direction of the race!

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JBaby343 - 412 days 2 hours ago

Head-ons are so satisfying.

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Damphear - 411 days 9 hours ago

i only do that to drift around the cars on the turns and maybe i get hit

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lokiroo420 - 412 days 8 hours ago

Gran turismo rules racing.

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Snukadaman_ - 412 days 8 hours ago

I think you actually sh1t yourself when you realize what a piece of ass the ps3 is....its called buyers remorse sh1t....you actually sh1t yourself.

"Snukadaman
It's funny an xbot talking about buyers remorse...dude you bought a 360 the most unreliable console ever created...nothing more to say"
Yet im not remorseful in buying my xbox elite....what a dummy.

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Danja - 412 days 8 hours ago

It's funny an xbot talking about buyers remorse...dude you bought a 360 the most unreliable console ever created...nothing more to say ..

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Kleptic - 412 days 7 hours ago

haha...snuka called a PS3 'a piece of ass'...you're a freak man, stay away from me...

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JBaby343 - 412 days 1 hour ago

Snuka doesn't like bubbles apparently. BTW you're not worthy of that avatar. Stop having him associated with a RROD fanbot making a fool of himself.

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ReTarDedFisHy - 412 days 8 hours ago

lol pp. just lol.

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lokiroo420 - 412 days 8 hours ago

PP time to let go of the tit and eat like a big boy.

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IzKyD1331 - 412 days 7 hours ago

Lets just hope MS doesn't close the studio that makes the games first
: )

and NO, Forza will never be as good as GT (yes, I have played both Forza 1 and 2, I think they're both mega-awesome, but GT is the best racing sim ever)

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Wiimaniac - 412 days 7 hours ago

do you actually know that Gran Turismo is one of the biggest and most important franchises ever made?

this is like what FF is for RPG or what GOD is to action games or what Mario is for platformers... man you're totally in denial. i don't even think you actually play games or know anything about it.

give thanks to God because you're going to experience a FF game for the first time in your life!

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tatotiburon - 412 days 6 hours ago

pp you failed...
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just because when GT5 come out we will be playing Forza 4 haha

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PopEmUp - 412 days 4 hours ago

would actually care about Forza or even big cars company would actually put that in mind lol

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Snukadaman_ - 412 days 8 hours ago

But its just another promise sony gave its blu-ray owners that is not delivering....seriously..if gt5 the real game and not the ,glorified demo those morons in europe purchased more of, does not have crash damage you cant call it a simulation...plain and simple.

"God you are ugly."
I bet your a "prize pig" yourself huh jukken?

@edit..and if you crash driving in real life...do you not get damage? face it...if theres no crash damage its only a arcade racer like ridge racer not a simulation...nothing more...give up making excuses please.

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Kufi- - 412 days 8 hours ago

What is BS3?

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cmrbe - 412 days 8 hours ago

you are ugly.

Edit : Snuka. Its a driving simulation. Not car crashing simulation.

2nd Edit : Snuka. Hehe yeah i am also Nasim. Geez get a grip you fool.

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IzKyD1331 - 412 days 7 hours ago

did you guys even read the article? no? didn't think so.....now go back to masturbating

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Snukadaman_ - 412 days 7 hours ago

No your jukken....your trying to say your not
because
it looks kinda weird for a person who says she is female to be so fanatical to have more accounts... i mean..for a girl to do this..you must be HUUUGE......

Edit.ali must be that sort of noob that just tries to run into you with his chainsaw going with 3 other people just waiting for him to end the chainsaw animation so they can kill him....too bad he is in europe or i would show him how to really play.

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I_am_rushin - 412 days 7 hours ago

How much processing power are Forza 2 & Forza 3 using to get 1080p @ 60fps.

Ooops. Did I hit a nerve?

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cmrbe - 412 days 6 hours ago

classic xbot defence 101. If you don't have any good points to argue. Just shut up. Don't try to change the subject.

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rekonizakilla - 411 days 17 hours ago

I just agreed with this little Nazi by accident.

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JBaby343 - 412 days 1 hour ago

360 fanboys always get upset if PS3 people come into one of their threads but they come say the stupidest things in PS3 threads. Go figure.

Excellent work on the car BTW.

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digger18 - 412 days 8 hours ago

LOL, don't get me started on Ferrari fanboys. We have a few of them turn up to race meetings. While the Ferrari is a lovely car, I leave them for dead during the races. It really pisses then off..lol

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digger18 - 412 days 8 hours ago

Sorry, but the 360 can't do 60fps at 1080P

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ViceKingz - 412 days 7 hours ago

its going to be on two disks. and GT5 will come out on top, as it had always done in the past

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JBaby343 - 412 days 1 hour ago

Give it up already. You know you want to play b3yond. Trust me. Trust us. It's better over here. lol

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WIIIS1 - 412 days 2 hours ago

Ferrari will only allow a developer who can emulate realistic driving physics and damage physics to incorporate damage to their brand of cars. They do not want gamers to think that their cars can be damaged in any other random, arbitrary and unrealistic way. That's why Polyphony is having problems with Ferrari and Turn 10 didn't.

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ReTarDedFisHy - 412 days 6 hours ago

Read the article before posting.
I'll leave it at that.

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jack who - 412 days 7 hours ago

roflmygta

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cmrbe - 412 days 6 hours ago

Froza is for go kart drivers.

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PirateThom - 412 days 6 hours ago

Am I the only one who finds it some what amusing that people make fun of LittleBigPlanet for the ability to "place stickers" while it's one of the main features of Forza 2?

Anyone?

Whatever.

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Erotic Sheep - 412 days 4 hours ago

Pirate wtf.. you are making way too much sense for the idiots here, they won't understand anything you say and either
a) collapse due to an overload of thinking
or b) counter-attack involving everyones family.

+ bubbles btw since you had some pretty good points. Makes me wonder why they wont reply >.>

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PopEmUp - 412 days 4 hours ago

F* off looser

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