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LittleBigPlanet getting moderated without warning: So much for creative freedom

If you're a big fan of user levels in LittleBigPlanet, the advice of the day seems to be this -- don't get too attached to them. Reports have been coming in of levels being "moderated" without warning. That's a polite way of saying they're getting deleted, and users are not being given the courtesy of an explanation.

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PirateThom - 424 days 9 hours ago

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Funny, because I just played both Sonic and MGS levels.

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Fishy Fingers - 424 days 8 hours ago

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Yep, I've got loads of hearted levels based on other IPs and they're still here, and these are levels I found in the beta.

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vhero - 424 days 8 hours ago

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some levels like levels with genitals etc need moderating and I agree they bloody well should be my kids play this game there should be minimum moderation as for making a level dedicated to another game there really is no law against that as you are creating stuff yourself from scratch. You are not actually taking anything from the IP and porting over so its allowed e.g. music which is why picture upload is disabled right now...

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ChampIDC - 424 days 7 hours ago

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I don't get it. To me, this is on the same lines as amateurly remixing a game's music.. As long as you're not making a profit off of it, there's really no big deal. I really don't see where the copyright issues come into play in creating levels.

Nobody is making a profit off of these levels yet. As they said, maybe good user levels will be eligible for profit sometime down the line, but they could easily just make the levels with copyright material ineligible for that program.

This is pretty epic fail IMO. It's a shame creative freedom is being hindered by this crap.

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Robondacob - 424 days 7 hours ago

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There's an explanation why.

It's the Grief Report. Some random jack@ss just goes around and reports anything vaguely illegal in LBP. They see a great copyright infringed level? They report it for just that. The mods have to do something because someone complained about it, allowing the possibility of a lawsuit by some angry soccer mom who is mad that her children are playing "bad" things.

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v1c1ous - 424 days 6 hours ago

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1.5 - HOW DARE THEY!

remove my phallic playground!

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Johnny Rotten - 424 days 6 hours ago

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I just did a search for God of War levels and found like 20 of them.

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Rapture333 - 423 days 23 hours ago

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1.8 - Same with mine....

I know a fair share of people including myself who have had their levels moderated for no reason, no offensive materials of any kind and no mention of any Copyrighted-Material WHATSOEVER. It seems completely ridiculous that we are getting our levels deleted for no reason with no warning even after I checked the EULA I couldn't find anything that I have broken.

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Cliff_BleSHITski - 423 days 21 hours ago

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It's not like if I make a cool Mirrors Edge level that EA/Dice are gonna lose sales! If anything it will help promote the game and get the name out there.

No one's going "Hey I don't need Mirrors Edge, I got Mirrors Edge right here for free so why pay $60!"

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plain rice - 423 days 12 hours ago

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Vickers you're right and wrong. Picture upload was already implemented but it was cut from the final game. Although, the feature will be come soon.

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SL1M DADDY - 423 days 12 hours ago

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1.11 - Sorry but to the author of this article...

If you feel that expressions of creative freedom include people posting up levels of penises and vaginas on the LBP level servers then sorry sir, you are mistaken. Even levels that have copyrighted materials need to be taken down so if you love that penis level so much, download it and play it on your own time before it gets taken down. Keep the pervert crap off my LBP.

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SonyOwnsNextYear - 423 days 10 hours ago

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i really think is the xbox fans that make the profane and sexually explicit levels.

viral campaigning, much like the metacritic crap and the fanboys at gamestops.....its all hate and whining on their behalf.

I remember when lbp came out and they went on a rampage on how a nonviolent game cant be good.....then banjotooie comes out and thats a AAA title. LOL.

seriously when it was nintendo/sega/sony in competition, none of this immature bullsh1t happened. Introduce a whole bunch of "console shooter" fans, and herein lies our problem.

to make it perfectly clear, there are douchebags online everywhere, but never have i seen such a concentrated form of immaturity as that which can be found within the above criteria.

to those in denial, think of this: shooters were the selling point on the 360. guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, kill,kill, kill, kill,kill.

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kevnb - 423 days 9 hours ago

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1.13 - @ SonyOwnsNextYear

what are you talking about? Xbox fans are making levels on a ps3? What does this even have to do with the article?

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HowarthsNJ - 424 days 9 hours ago

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2 - The LBP community will learn about Copyrights, Trademarks and IP's soon enough

I've been a member of several digital art communities over the last 15 years or so and have been through this process many times.

It's funny how the same lame arguments come up every single time (See Open Zone for an example).

Learn and get over it.

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Raz - 424 days 1 hour ago

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2.1 - I'll Google your Yahoo if Youtube Myspace...

Same deal anywhere else. It's called moderation, not censorship. I fully expected it - we were certainly warned about it. It's part of the tutorial when they explain about what's acceptable. At no point was there any indication that you had completely free reign to do as you pleased...there were and are limits. If offenders still remain it's because there's a huge backlog of submissions, and it takes time to deal with them. Use the grief button if you've an issue.

Just keep your fan-levels on your Moon and submit the ones that don't violate international copyright laws. Have fun and quit whining.

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Sarick - 423 days 20 hours ago

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2.2 - Trade marks and copyrights?

I can understand trademarks but copyrights are for content that are copied from the original. There is no code being copied the levels aren't being replicas. If I design movie about space that has laser swords in it I'm not stealing Star Wars copyrights.

It's simple if the content being produced is 100% user generated not using original content it's not stealing someones work. If I drew an image to look like an PS3 or picture of Ronald McDonald as long as that image was my original artwork, not a modified original from copyrighted content there is no patent on that image.

As for themed content, If the level design isn't a copycat of existing levels then I don't see it as infringing.

I Think MM just decided to avoid legal issues to just delete anything and everything so no disputes could be taken to court. This way instead of a big companies filing lawsuits MM would remove content entirely avoiding the problem. It's not that the content is truly illegal it's just an easy solution avoid any cases being brought up.

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HowarthsNJ - 422 days 23 hours ago

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2.3 - @Sarick

I can tell you've never had to deal with any of these concepts much.

Copyright is what you have over your own work; for example, a drawing.

If someone takes your drawing and stickers it all over their LBP level without your permission it's a violation of that copyright.

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Coke-a-Cola - 424 days 8 hours ago

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3 - The Sky is the LIMIT .............BE ORIGINAL .

It is really so difficult not to use a PS3 , or an Ipod or Mario in Your Level .

MEDIA MOLECULE .......... did not create this game by copying Mario .......
One is free to create ......... Strength is in originally.

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perils - 424 days ago

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haha you gotta love the irony! this comin from a guy called "coke-a-cola"....... unless you meant it to be ironic, in that case well done on the irony. but yeah i agree......even tho i cant really stop thinkin about how i can create some of my fave games, tv shows etc....sorry i cant help it! but im trying to be original in the way i go about creating stuff......honest i am!

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Wiimaniac - 424 days 8 hours ago

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okay, this is bad. 0_0

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cyclindk - 424 days 8 hours ago

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All I have to say is...you can create whatever you want, but don't publish something you think might be deemed offensive. It's just common sense.

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Mr Fancy Pants - 424 days 7 hours ago

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but they are not simply removing what is inappropriate they are removing everything that has even the most subtle detail about anything related to something commercial. example: they are removing the mario levels, the MGS levels and even levels that have something related to the playstation brand! this is plain ridiculous.

you didn't read the article right?

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DaTruth - 423 days 22 hours ago

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I just played the Mirror's Edge level and it's called "Mirror's Edge level".

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Vip3r - 424 days 8 hours ago

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Good. I hope LBP keeps its high level of moderation. It'd be a shame if this was ruined by sick and perverted levels.

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Mr Fancy Pants - 424 days 7 hours ago

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you should read the article...

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Vip3r - 424 days 6 hours ago

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I did. What's your point?

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FantasyStar - 424 days 6 hours ago

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6.3 - Did you really read(comprehend) the article?

The point is that the scope of the "high level of moderation" also affects games on Sony's own platform. What's the point of buying LBP if you can't recreate your favorite things like MGS, GoW, Fable, Mirror's Edge, R2 and other stuff? It's practically cutting half of the reasons to buy LBP. Sure people can be original, but I know I would've loved to remake MGS4 for LBP however I don't want my work to be deleted just because some hornball's gonna pop a vein. Then you have the addition of idiots who report blatantly without giving much of a reason. Spamming the report system is clearly a flaw in LBP that must be addressed.

For starters, for users that abuse their reporting powers will have their privileges completely revoked.

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Vip3r - 422 days 6 hours ago

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Again, I did read the article. I just voiced my opinion anyway.

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Sangria - 424 days 8 hours ago

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It's the beginning of LittleBigPlanet, i guess moderators and players will slowly learn what can be permitted and what cannot.

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PimpHandHappy - 424 days 8 hours ago

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8 - its good

if they are deleting pen!s levels and levels that are offensive

always remember

free speech is free

but when you start to ensite hate and violence you can be put in jail

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Nikkelz - 424 days 8 hours ago

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9 - damn

i think thats a lil disappointing because some of the videos i seen that were really cool looking were based off of an i.p,
does anyone remember the shadow of colossus stage?
or the super mario brother's one?
too bad too....im still gonna buy it but just not before the other games i have on my list

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darkride66 - 424 days 7 hours ago

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10 - Why is this news?

Did anyone have any doubt that Sony would start deleting levels that infringed on copyright? How else are they supposed to stop from getting themselves, or their users for that matter, sued?

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lunaticpanda101 - 424 days 7 hours ago

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11 - i wish

they would sort out the flippin lag

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DrWan - 424 days 7 hours ago

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12 - This title of the article is stupid.

Creative Freedom is something u came up with yourself, not by copying Mario. So just make your own level.

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devilhunterx - 424 days 7 hours ago

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Freedom Of Speech(tm) doesnt give you Freedom From Responsibility(tm)

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ocalot2k5 - 424 days 7 hours ago

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14 - So destructionoid didn't get enough att. by giving lbp 85?

Hmm....
Even youtube has copyright infringment

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ocalot2k5 - 424 days 7 hours ago

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15 - ohh

and an 80 to mgs4 and resistance 2 and everyother ps3 exclusive

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Blitzed - 424 days 7 hours ago

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16 - Looks to see who submitted...

Is it Bloodmask or Omeg..its Omega4...figures.

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strotee - 424 days 6 hours ago

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Stay on N4G long enough and you'll recognize who submits what and from where before clicking on Info. Sad huh?

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Captain Tuttle - 424 days 6 hours ago

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Is the news any less legitimate because of who submitted it?

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divideby0 - 424 days 7 hours ago

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Good..happy to hear...
They have to set the bar now, so content will be developed with this in mind.
The user just have to use common sense in their creations and it wont be a problem

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OuterHaven - 424 days 7 hours ago

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Kotaku just posted this, and they are getting a kick out of it. Everyone, even if they dont own a PS3 says the game sucks now and how Sony sucks.

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Scotracer - 424 days 7 hours ago

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Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooo

:(

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darkpower - 424 days 6 hours ago

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There could actually be TWO possibilities to this whole thing:

1. What Destructoid said, which is very possible, and sad to see happen.
2. Some person (or group of people) are flagging these levels and MM isn't even checking into the actual reasons for it before pulling the trigger. This is similar to what was going on on YouTube for the same thing: Someone flagged a video for copyrights or whatever, and YT didn't even TRY to investigate and took whoever was flagging it as the truth and just pulling the video based on heresay alone.

Either way, people should be notified as to what is going on here, but I'm wondering if it's MM's decision based on their morals and fears, or just a bunch of people who have an ax to grind and flagging all of these to moderate all of these levels.

By the way, I've seen many levels that COULD be modded for this reason stay on for all this time without any incident. This makes me think this is more of the second thing happening.

@TheExodus: There is also fair use and how much of a fine line there is between what you can and can't do with that kind of content. You CAN make a spoof or a parody of a part of something that is copyrighted without getting permission (even though there is that moral high-ground that you SHOULD ask, by law, you don't HAVE to. Weird Al could never have any permission to do any of his parodies and still not break any laws at all under the fair-use doctrine). This could be akin to THAT, which makes the copyright thing a non-issue to begin with.

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PureGamer - 424 days 6 hours ago

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mine got deleted without warning it was titled my frist level and was just a mess about.

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TheExodus - 424 days 6 hours ago

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It's LittleBigPlanet! User created content should be rated E for EVERYONE & copyright infringement isn't flattery it's ILLEGAL! Don't really understand why we're even discussing the complaints of handful of thieves & pervs.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Actually I think simply theming a level around something qualifies as fair use. The issue may be that the levels are available globally, however, if the copyright is a US one for example then I think it falls under US law and thus constitutes fair use.

The amount of content in a themed level is often minimal, with only a picture or an attempt at recreation of something. Furthermore, the effect the level in question will have is very small for most levels which will not be played my many people. Also, the level itself is transformative, rather than derivative as described in the Wikipedia article.

It's possible something could be taken to court, and MM don't want to risk this. But I severlely doubt anything would become of it and they are playing it too safe.

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NipGrip - 424 days 6 hours ago

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23 - Ooohhh SONY YOU SUCK!!

Or do they? Seems Activision is doing the same with Guitar Hero World Tour:
http://multiplayerblog.mtv....

But no, it's too much fun to blame Sony now isn't it? Kids not understanding copyright infringement is all there is complaining. Anyone with half a brain fully understands why this stuff isn't allowed and you shouldn't even waste your time making it unless you don't mind it being deleted at any given time.

If I wasted my time recording an episode of some TV show and uploaded it to YouTube, they would delete it despite my time spent and without warning. Welcome to real life!

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does that mean that cool azz Batman level I saw the other day is going to be removed also?

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CyberSentinel - 424 days 9 hours ago

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1 - Silly Restrictions Like This....

....Are going to take the "FUN" out of a game that even I was seriously looking at. Theses are "sack people" not accurate representations of actual characters. No one is profiting from these "creations". Media Molecue needs to lighten up or this will affect sales.

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Sony Defense Farce - 424 days ago

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1.1 - They do not need to lighten up.

This game should be heavily moderated, because mostly kids will be playing it. This is a game for little kiddies, and sick bastards are making f*cked up sh!t that shouldn't be available to children. LBP should have been made for the wii.

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Tony600 - 424 days 9 hours ago

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2 - Oh just stop!

Its getting really funny!But at the same time sad for Ps3 fanboys!

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HemDroid - 424 days 9 hours ago

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3 - False promises

Again

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Tony600 - 424 days 8 hours ago

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Now Ps3 fanboys got owned!

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NickIni - 424 days 7 hours ago

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"Ownage" is not being able to play LBP at all.

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ambientFLIER - 423 days 23 hours ago

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Actually, it IS worse to pay for a game and not be able to actually use it, rather than never wasting money on it at all.

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PirateThom - 424 days 8 hours ago

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What does copyright infringement have to do with creative freedom?

Think about it and then get back to me.

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ultimolu - 424 days 5 hours ago

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Exactly.

This is just another ploy to attack the game once again.
And 360 fanboys get a kick out of it.
Disgusting. -__-

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ambientFLIER - 423 days 23 hours ago

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Because virtually everything can be copyrighted. It is putting a serious limitation on what you can make.

It's pretty sad that you idiots are defending this game. If a revolutionary and hyped xbox game was so severely limited, you would be dancing a victory dance in every article that mentioned it.

Stupid hypocrite b[tch (Juken).

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NickIni - 423 days 11 hours ago

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Limited? Because it has one glitch it makes it limited?

It doesn't mean the game is broken or bad either.

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so the master chief mod in UT3 was allowed due to "the creator not profiting from the mod" but the free-to-play levels in LBP are suddenly copyright infringement??

i call BS, the Halo and Mario levels didn't get taken down.. in fact, how come there's a myriad of homage levels around...

and im sure MM realize the importance of homage levels in LBP

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CyberSentinel - 424 days 8 hours ago

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6.1 - Never Thought I Would Agree With You

....but the games "unique look and physics engine", prevents users from creating "actual accurate representations" of real games or characters.

Seems like an over reaction to me on MM's part. Will SEGA lose any money if someone creates a "original" sonic level (with a blue sackboy mind you, not even a hedgehog) and puts it on PSN for free? Did sega lose anything? If anything it is free advertisement for a product and should be seen as such. Now if someone were profiting from such content, that is another issue.

At least wait until someone is offended before destroying peoples hard work.

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heyheyhey - 424 days 7 hours ago

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pfffftt.... don't lie to yourself... you know im always right

and you kinda misunderstood my comment btw...

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baum - 424 days 7 hours ago

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7 - I am not surprised to see who contributed this story

Omega4. Why are Xbox fanboys rejoicing about this? Isn't Gears of War 2 out already? Go play your Gears of Shootout 1.5 and see how dom kills mariah and the queen is half human you morons.

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heyheyhey - 424 days 7 hours ago

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yeah that guy tries a little too hard to find negative PS3 articles.

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Jenzo - 424 days 5 hours ago

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Yeah we should keep all the news homogenic and pro-PS3 and rename the site to FoxNews4Gamers....

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Snukadaman_ - 424 days 5 hours ago

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7.3 - baum

You are the lowest piece of sh!t these days with your spoilers...I dont see no ps3 fans complaining about your little spoilers so I thought I should say something...stop being a little b!tch and go play with your sack,boy.

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Arcturus - 424 days 7 hours ago

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moderation's a b!tch aint it.

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commando34 - 424 days 7 hours ago

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9 - sad

dude that was so low i wasn't even that far into gears of war 2 and you go and spoil it I' m so mad now and I want an apology that was mean.

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thekingofMA - 424 days 6 hours ago

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9.1 - i agree

i didn't pick up Gears 2, because honestly, i didn't like the first one a whole lot, but that guy is a douchebag

seriously, who just ruins the ending to the biggest game of the year-yes, the biggest. don't be pissed off and wikipedia the plot just because you can't play the damn game.

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11 - sad

T-T

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Xlll - 424 days 7 hours ago

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The one being targetting are offensive ones such as the sex level. As long as your within the rules you can make any kind of fan tribute to anygame you wish. Nice to see xbox fans boi's trying to spin this and fail.

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Ps3Fanboy777 - 424 days 7 hours ago

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13 - So if you break copyright it removes the level

Well you would have to be a moron not to understand that. Seriously some of you are just stupid ass kids and probably arent old enough to understand any of this so shut up and get back to playing Gears of War.

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etownone - 424 days 6 hours ago

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Sackboy just turned into a sack of sh1t!

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ssoooo, you really cant make what you want in lbp? wasnt that the catch?

or is it that you can make what you want but get deleted after a certain time, that sucks.. all that time wasted in trying to make other games for it to just be erased.. that must hurt though i know i would be pissed if i spent hours for nothing.

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jack who - 424 days 6 hours ago

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dic levers ftw

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Tony600 - 424 days 6 hours ago

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17 - Cool

This reminds me of an disturbed song:I have fallen again,This is the End,pain redifined!

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 424 days 5 hours ago

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I have a question, not that its my wish, but this could be done maybe:

get a seperate world/planet online for 18+ levels that's locked by a family lock in the PS3. That way the levels that are moderated in the normal online world/plant are not deleted, but just shifted through for those that like to play them.

Media Molecule, just an idea...

if not, can't a level be put on a memory stick, taken off the PS3, uploaded to a website where one can download, put local on your PS3 but still be able to connect with others to play that level through PSN co-op?

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NickIni - 424 days 4 hours ago

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There mostly moderated because of copyright infringement. Being over 18 wouldn't make a difference. For the more mature levels, LBP is a kids game. Making an over 18 section defeats the point of it's mass appeal.

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Infinite-Ammo - 424 days 5 hours ago

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I was looking forward to this but now having had it for a little while, its actually rather boring IMO.

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ambientFLIER - 423 days 23 hours ago

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It's pretty sad that PS3 fanboys are still in damage control mode, when such a revolutionary and hyped game is so severely limited.

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NickIni - 423 days 11 hours ago

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Idiotic fanboy.

Because it has one thing you can't do it is limited? No game is as unlimited as LBP.

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HatePlague - 423 days 23 hours ago

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I'm pretty much tired of this game anyways. Getting online to play user created levels is a bit*h due to the servers hardly ever working and the main story levels are mediocre at best. This should have been a budget title. It wasn't worth 59.99 + tax. Thank god for Resistance 2.

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chavafx - 423 days 19 hours ago

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22 - wait so thats what happend to me i hate mm

i spend like 45 hours doing a level and now im not able to play online or offline it say cannot play error# wtf i hate mm little big return to gamestop for me.

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thewho - 423 days 18 hours ago

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Copyright.
It explicitly states in the EULA that they have the right to do that and that you are advised not to create things that infringe copyrights – ie 'god of war' and 'pplaystation 3' are a registered trademarks.
They're just covering they're asses. No need to cry about it. I don't think youtube got this much attention when it finally started moderating some of it's content a little.

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