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Naruto dev: Sixaxis tilt control 'useless'

From GAMER.tm: "Sixaxis tilt control is "useless," according to the producer of forthcoming PS3 Naruto exclusive, Ultimate Ninja Storm.

"Speaking to GAMER at last week's Games Convention, producer Hitoshi Matsuyama confirmed that Ultimate Ninja Storm won't support Trophies, before nonchalantly dismissing Sony's motion sensing control system.

"We're not supporting Trophies," Matsuyama said through his translator.

"And before you ask, we're not supporting Sixaxis. It's useless," he added.

"He then proceeded to wave the controller about in a jocular manner, to highlight the unsuitability of motion sensing control for the game."

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Jamie Foxx - 493 days ago

1 - KINDA HARSH

its ok for simple things like the balancing in uncharted,controlling helipopters in gta etc

but its nowhere near refined enough to control driving games comfotably,and why would you need it in fighting games?he didnt really need to bring up sixaxis because the interviewer never.

and why no trophy support? he really seems to have a distaste for ps3

trophies made me go back to uncharted replay value dude

@below..motorstorm with sixaxis,your a better gamer than me i prefer it with the sticks

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SpaZaA - 492 days 23 hours ago

1.1 - I disagree about the driving games....

I play Motorstorm with 6axis control, set to MEDIUM, the regular setting is too touchy. It responds beautifully. High Velocity Bowling shows how good 6axis can be used. I expect WipeoutHD to be fantastic with it. (people who have played it said it works extremely well)

But for the Naruto game? Well there's no real reason to use that feature, thus it's rendered "useless".

I'm sure many devs have said the same thing about the Wii controls, and for THEIR games they may be right, but for other games the controls work great.

Guess what, different games have use of different controls.

And yeah, the guy seems like a bit of an ass, although some of the interpretation may be lost in translation.

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PoSTedUP - 492 days 23 hours ago

1.2 - yall GOTTA play Heavenly Sword!

the sixaxis in that game is INCREDIBLE (and its a fighting game!) totally EPIC.

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SpaZaA - 492 days 23 hours ago

1.3 - @ Jamie Foxx

I don't know about better gamer bro.

But I do think you should give it a shot specifically for MS. But make sure to try the "medium" setting. I found it made the game a lot more intense myself. I hope they keep it in MS2!

Trophies are a loss to the devs themselves, I don't think they realize how much re-playability it gives games. Just look at the increase in players for SSHD & Uncharted. I asked on the Sony blog for them to publish some numbers about how the sales jumped for SSHD post-trophy release, but the silly buggers haven't. I think the numbers would speak for themselves and many devs would rethink patching the trophies in.

It would take a little time to patch for some games, but I think they would be able to sell a lot more copies in the long run.

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kindi_boy - 492 days 23 hours ago

1.4 - i would say "Naruto dev: Sixaxis tilt control 'useless' For a Naruto Game"

i really enjoyed it alot in Folklore.

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NewYork214 - 492 days 23 hours ago

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i agree with postedup. heavenly sword has the best motion controls. they could make a game just out of the shootin missions and i would buy it.

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kevnb - 492 days 23 hours ago

1.6 - best motion controls

has to go to Folklore hands down. The motion controls in Heavenly Sword were simply just ok.

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kapedkrusader - 492 days 23 hours ago

1.7 - I love how Naruto is coming out...

...nontheless, I think the dev is wrong in saying that the sixaxis is useless. Naruto is not just a fighting game, it's also has a storyline where you run around all the villages and solve puzzles, jump rooftops, swing from cables, etc. Many of these actions can use the sixaxis well. I'm not surprised he didn't add trophies though, he also disregarded to add online play to the game, which will hurt it's replay value. It seems that he is missing out on many opportunities to make the game better than it already is.

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StephanieBBB - 492 days 22 hours ago

1.8 - This guy clearly doesn't know what his talking about...

I can list acouple of things that would be awesome with sixaxis in the upcoming naruto game.

Finisher move with sixaxis shaking ínstead of button combination mashing - Which ever player that shakes his/hers controller the fastest gets/evades the finisher.

Rasengan power up with sixaxis - Just Shake the controler untill the power up meter tops off when using Rasengan and you blast off thru the enemy.

Shuriken manual steering with sixaxis - much like steering a warhawk or anything else for that matter.

Advanced combos with sixaxis - Instead of just mashing the circle button you shake the controller after the third tap and by so unlocking more moves.

If you think outside of the box it's not so hard to figure out some nice ways to implement sixaxis.

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Kaneda - 492 days 20 hours ago

1.9 - Heavenly sword

Heavenly sword and Motorstorm worked great with motion sensor... when you don't know how to do it.. just shut up..

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sonarus - 492 days 20 hours ago

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Motion control is nice when it isn't forced. Like i kinda like it in MGS4 when you use it to peek out of a dustbin.

Hsword six axis use also added to the game instead of taking it away. Sixaxis is cool in small doses. Uncharted balancing on the log sixaxis use is also very very nice and if tomb raider doesn't do it i am seriously not going to buy. All the sixaxis stuff in Ratchet and clank was also excellent

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Bubble Buddy - 492 days 20 hours ago

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Love the SIXAXIS in Warhawk, You can steer the warhawk by motion so you can have a full control of shooting with the analog sticks. Same with Resistance when some one tags you with the Bullseye or you catch on fire. It works fine if you are smart on when and how to implement it in.

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Milky Joe - 492 days 20 hours ago

1.12 - I have to agree

that for things like steering cars or planes, I find the SIXAXIS tricky to handle (there is no resistance so it's easy to over cook the movements). But I completely disagree that it is useless. It's perfectly suited for little things like tilting grenades on uncharted or waggling Sackboy's head on LBP. It's these little things that really add an extra layer to the game. When used sparingly and sensibly, SIXAXIS is terrific, when used for the sake of it, it falls down. You've just got to be clever with it.

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athlon770 - 492 days 20 hours ago

1.13 - Joe

I couldn't agree with your statement more! Even its use in R&C: TOD was also sparingly used and worked quite effectivly. This guy has a bug up his whatever to be saying something like this about a platform he just created a game for. I wonder if he was being pushed to add sixaxis support or something and couldn't figure it out.

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No FanS Land - 492 days 19 hours ago

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IMO ratchet and clank had the best motion sensing controls yet.

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AclayPS3 - 492 days 23 hours ago

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The Motion Sensing Tilt controls aren't useless, they just aren't useful for the Naruto game. I mean, Naruto is a fighting game so obviously there isn't much use for Sixaxis, anyone could have figured that out.

The Motion Sensing controls work very well for a lot of games, but it wasn't meant to be used in all games.

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PS360WII - 492 days 23 hours ago

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True, fighting games are not the best to use motion sensing

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meepmoopmeep - 492 days 23 hours ago

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yeah, motion sensors are useful dependent on how you utilize it in your game. generalizing it as 'useless' is wrong.

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Overr8ed - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Agreed its useless for some games and useful for other games.

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TresTrendu - 492 days 22 hours ago

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Well until they use it right in a game then it is useless. Sure heavenly sword was probably the best it has been used, it was far from tight and it was just here and there.

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Chubear - 492 days 22 hours ago

2.5 - Like I've said before

Developers need to stop blaming everything else for their short comings with their own creative talents. If you're not that skilled to implement interesting gameplay then that OK but don't go tryin to diss it just cause YOU dont' have the talent to do soemthing interesting with it.

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Cenobia - 492 days 21 hours ago

2.6 - @2.4

Actually Folklore used the sixaxis motion controls the best. I didn't even use the sixaxis for Heavenly Sword because I found it hard to be precise.

Folklore is definitley the game that has utilized sixaxis in the best way. It isn't just tacked on for the hell of it. It's actually a fundamental part of the gameplay, and it works.

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Ju - 492 days 21 hours ago

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I enjoy it a lot in Blazing Angles (II, which is much better tuned then in the I.). Its a bit more challenging but also more fun.

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hunter21 - 492 days 23 hours ago

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off topic: "i think" for now the trophies are not that being appreciated by the 3rd party developers but once home begin to release in public, they will realize that trophies are important to make there games more great.

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Marceles - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Useless or not, it's there if a dev feels like trying to being creative. It's not like they have to use it but at least the option is there.

The interview makes it seem like the guy hates everything though.

"I hate Sixaxis it's useless! I hate useless trophies! I hate babies...especially happy babies! But at least the game is shaping up nicely.....I still hate babies though."

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Fishy Fingers - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Sounds like he's throwing his toys out of the pram.

Either way, I appreciate that it's uses are limited, but "useless" is a complete over exaggeration. Certain games have used it very effectively and some even based completely around it, Flow for example.

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Darkiewonder - 492 days 23 hours ago

5.1 - Yes

But NUNS is a fighting game. i don't see how SIXAXIS can be used unless you want to shake the controller to build up chakra energy or block attacks. that would be more of a gimmick then a feature for the game though. [so he may really mean useless for their games and not really mean others]

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Fishy Fingers - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Oh I agree, I fully understand that in certain situations the sixaxis is rather useless, but he should specify that point, not just label it as useless as a whole. "in Naruto we found the sixaxis function to be useless" for example.

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Darkiewonder - 492 days 23 hours ago

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It may just be a mistranslation from both side is all.

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harry190 - 492 days 23 hours ago

6 - It is pretty much useless

in Ninja Storm, but it rocks in Wipeout HD.

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ape007 - 492 days 23 hours ago

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I hate in uncharted when the game force you to shake the controller and in resistance also

it's pretty annoying and pointless

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athlon770 - 492 days 20 hours ago

7.1 - Well

they force you to shake the controller to shake off the enemy trying to take a bite out of your neck. What would you have them do? Button mash? I like the motion control in Uncharted. used for the grenades, for balance, and to shake off an attacker.

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ThaGeNeCySt - 492 days 23 hours ago

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I'm not really that big of a fan of it... like controlling ratchet when he's like flying or skydiving, it doesn't feel good to me

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kevnb - 492 days 23 hours ago

8.1 - or like in Lair

where it doesn't even work properly lol. Speaking of which, I tried Lair again after the update but its still horrible. The graphics are mostly all muddy and poor, the framerate dips constantly, and the gameplay is slow and boring. I feel Lair is the biggest reason devs arent using sixaxis very much, but Lair is just a horrible game in all aspects.

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DA_SHREDDER - 492 days 23 hours ago

9 - Naruto Ninja Storm is useless on the ps3

Until they add online and voice chat to multiplayer. Ironic how he talks about useless, he should look at the game he is making. Its 2008 people. Even psn games have online. Why shouldn't a game that charges you $65 bucks?

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AllroundGamer - 492 days 23 hours ago

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well you don't have to use it in every game... i personally liked it alot in Ratchet Tools of Destruction in the circuit minigames.

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sidar - 492 days 23 hours ago

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It's okai right?
You guys don't want to "wave" like a moron right?
*wink* *wink*

Kidding XD
...or am I? XD

Well not all games can utilize the concept of Motion controls.
I mean think about how Super Smash brothers would turn out to be with waggle control.

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hallowethe - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Ouch, that's a strong statement, lol. Sixaxis is definately an interesting concept, I suppose it just doesn't work as well as they originally intended.

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PimpHandStrong - 492 days 22 hours ago

13 - the demo looked awesome

but im not into Naruto

2childish for me

but anyway

has motion controls every been used well in a fight game?

Smash Bro on the Wii maybe but those games are of PS2 quilty

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jlytle1234 - 492 days 22 hours ago

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I have seen six axis incorporated in some very interesting ways. However not every game is required to use it. Its far from useless.
I dont understand why devs arent jumping on the trophys train. I guarantee people will be more likely to try your game just for the trophys. Except me. Naruto is a terrible anime like dbz. Die already.

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geda - 492 days 22 hours ago

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lol. being a ps3 owner i can't say i completely disagree.

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Jenzo - 492 days 22 hours ago

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lol @ people defending sixaxis tilt control. I guess Lairs controls wasn't enough proof for some. Try playing Motorstorm with them if you are not convinced lol! There's a reason almost no devs implement it. You are just too stubborn to realize that it's a gimmick thrown in last minute because Sony couldn't have rumble. Wii has already shown us a good example of how it's supposed to be implemented.

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jlytle1234 - 492 days 21 hours ago

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i forgot that every wii game implements motion controls perfectly.
Stop beating a dead horse. Lair was just a bad game. Even great motion controls wouldnt have saved it from being average.
Warhawk and motorstorm work just fine with motion controls. And folklore has the best use of sixaxis that ive seen yet. Theres also uses for it like being on fire and shaking it to put out the flames. Or having an enemy jump on you and shaking the controller to get them off. Theres even a good bowling game that works well with sixaxis on the psn.
Its not a gimmick if it can change how games are played.

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athlon770 - 492 days 19 hours ago

16.2 - Thats ok Jenzo, we know how it works

First you bash it because you don't have it, then you will praise it once the 360 uses its new motion control in games.

Just like we PS3 owners said that vibration in our controllers wasn't necessary, but now that we have it back, we like it.

Problem is Jenzo, no one around here forgets anything, so you better not praise the 360 motion controllers for anything!

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Jenzo - 492 days 18 hours ago

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I don't want that gimmick Newton thing. It's worse than the Sixaxis. Looks like a huge robotic dildo. If you check the creators homepage you'll see that it's coming to the PS3 as well(black one). If I wanted motion games I'd get a Wii.

If it was good on the PS3 I wouldn't bash it. But it's not. Compared to the Wii it's best described as half-assed and rushed.

I don't forget either. I remember when PS3 fans used to laugh at achievements. When rumble wasn't needed. "Who cares about multiplatform titles anyways? It doesn't prove a thing!". When the PS3 was supposed to outsell the 360 in 2007. When the Killzone 2 and Motorstorm trailers were in-game. 200 fps, all games 1080p, 4D. I wasn't naive enough to buy into that bs.

"Just like we PS3 owners said that vibration in our controllers wasn't necessary, but now that we have it back, we like it."

That's the kind of hypocrisy I'm talking about. And if you don't get what you were promised(like mentioned above) you suddenly don't care for it.

I bet you think custom soundtracks, achievements in all games, and private chat are totally useless features right now ;)

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SpaZaA - 491 days 18 hours ago

16.4 - Jenzo..are you nuts?

"If it was good on the PS3 I wouldn't bash it. But it's not. Compared to the Wii it's best described as half-assed and rushed."

Actually the 6axis controller works 3 dimensionally and is VERY accurate when implemented properly. Try High Velocity Bowling some time if you are ever near a PS3. It detects forward movement, up and downward movement and left to right. You can turn your wrist to adjust position or curve the ball WHILE throwing.
It is the best implementation of motion controls I have EVER seen.

And it's definately NOT half-assed. Half assed would be summed up with these 3 words:

WII MOTION PLUS.

Get your facts right son.

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PimpHandStrong - 492 days 22 hours ago

17 - HS

used it well

a few games used it for mini-games...

its not useless but its not something to focus a game around

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jlytle1234 - 492 days 21 hours ago

17.1 -

play folklore.

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TwissT - 492 days 22 hours ago

18 - Sixaxis control useless

YES IT IS! Totally and absurdly useless. So is rumble, all I need for a good time with a video game is a controller that is functional. Nothing more; nothing less.

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PimpHandStrong - 492 days 22 hours ago

19 - HVB

also used it well

very well really

it is the best bowling game by far

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1 Zerodin | 492 days 23 hours ago - User only got 1 bubble - Show

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LarVanian - 492 days 23 hours ago

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He didn't actually bash the PS3, he bashed the sixaxis. Why were you not able to see that? Can you not read or are you just plain retarded? Wouldn't be surprised since you did buy a 360. lol

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DavidMacDougall - 492 days 22 hours ago

1.2 - @Zerodin

For all your comments you make im going reply with simple small answers

First being you suk c0ck

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Patchstation 3 - 492 days 22 hours ago

1.3 - LMAO

that also goes for that the console it connects to.

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foodbox - 492 days 17 hours ago

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Sixaxis is useless for no other reason that it is useless.

As for trophies, why didnt Sony get smart and make that a license requirement? The whole platform is disjoined and suffering.

What a shame, from 1st last gen to dead-last and floundering this gen.

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MAiKU - 492 days 16 hours ago

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Well I'll applaud you on the day you actually figure out a way where a six axis motion control can be inputted into a button mashing fighting game.

Of course they're gonna say that fools, they're not developing that type of game!

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LarVanian - 492 days 23 hours ago

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You've got the nerve to call anything an embarrassment.

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PirateThom - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Like the 360's d-pad?

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nos4speed - 492 days 23 hours ago

2.3 - Hahahaha

wait a few months until microsoft releases there motion senser controller then youl be all omg motion sensin iz teh winzors 4 r3al!

and for the record sixaxis is fantasticly useful when done right, like in resistance online tilt the controler left and right and it brings up scores and map, uncharted used for balancing but of course racing games is were it steps up, nothing like proving your skills on motion sensors, this guy doesnt know what he is talking about----its usless, no, his game is usless.

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nieto - 492 days 21 hours ago

2.6 - RRoD

how can a person support a company with a 33% failure rate it is beyond me. seriously, bots are retarded.

motion sixaxis crap or not the X360 doesn't have it!

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Gam71 - 492 days 19 hours ago

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nos4speed,

like sony fanboys did with the wii's motion sensing til sony decided they needed to distract you from another lawsuit they wouldn't settle and needed something to replace rumble.
Which i believe you all quoted sony like they were you messiaha nd was "omg rmble iz lyk lst gen"

Ms fans don't have ago at motion sensing just the poor attempt by sony.
I have a wii and it's motion sensing is great. I hope ms is more like that and not sony.

Oh dear rrod comments as you have nothing else.

Defense force is out in full today with damage control.
Here's a tissue for you.

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foodbox - 492 days 17 hours ago

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You know what is really funny?

All you people saying "har har 33% fail" like its remotely attached to reality.

the fail rate A) is no where near 33% and B) never been released.

You're simply talking out of your asses without any source what-so-ever. Its sad. Just sad.

FURTHER, the heat problem was fixed more than a year ago. And, anyone with a problem gets a free, no hassle fix. Which is a HECK of a lot more than Sony did while PS2s were failing left-right-and-center and left everyone (myself included -- 3 failed machines!) out in the cold.

I'm *FAR* happier with my -ZERO- problem Xbox 360 than I was with my 3 failed PS2s **AND** I know if there was any problem w/ my Xbox 360, I'll get a full, zero issue fix.

I couldnt even get Sony's rep to return my calls.

So, A) 33% is pure fiction and B) MS treats its customers a *fcuk* of a lot better than Sony and C) The PS3 is a DRM wet-dream for the MPAA, and I'll have nothing to do with it.

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deathray - 492 days 16 hours ago

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rrod or not... the noise that piece of crap is enough to make it worthless. 360 sucks.

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Stallone1993 - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Well, that comes from a dev that made a useless game. So I couldnt care less.

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Official Blue - 492 days 23 hours ago

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Sixaxis may be uesless but not Trophies!

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delpiero89 - 492 days 22 hours ago

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in MGS4 i believe that SIXAXIS is very important way to keep your game alive and to change between camouflages quickly , practically , accurately and without pausing the game just lay on the ground shake the controller and that's it , this is way better than what was in MGS3 ( press start , etc )

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Chubear - 492 days 22 hours ago

8 - Developers that don't have the talent to implement great gameplay mechanics

with the tools and features Sony has provided for them, should stop blaming these tools for their lack of talent.

So many developers have shown intuitive uses for 6a6 from games like Fl0w, Heavenly Sword & Siren to the upcoming Eye Pet & Socom.

If you suck at creative developing, don't blame someone or something else for your own short comings.

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deathray - 492 days 16 hours ago

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i agree. this guy is an arrogant jag. i was going to buy naruto, but after reading this I will definitely reconsider. I don't want to support a this pud.

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juuken - 492 days 19 hours ago

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Developer= FULL OF SH*T.

Plain and simple.

I love the SixAxis controller. It's well made for someone like me, especially when I have small hands. And I found the tilt useful for someone like me.

This guy seems to hate the PS3 or at least some of it's features for really stupid reasons.

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Lost_My_600_Dollar - 492 days 19 hours ago

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"We're not supporting Trophies," Matsuyama said through his translator.

"And before you ask, we're not supporting Sixaxis. It's useless," he added. "

they can use it in some parts of the game just like RAC

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Cajun Chicken - 492 days 18 hours ago

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I like the Six-Axis, its brilliant on flOw and I believe will be vital in flOwer, quite entertaining in Warhawk, good minigames in R&C:FtoD and can make driving in GTAIV once completed; crazilly entertaining.

I can see why he won't bother using it for a fighting game though, what could you really do on it?
If most people hold the controller in awkward positions tapping the buttons in fighting games (they do, really, they do), it would just mess up the game personally. Unless you shook the controller to get up faster after being knocked down I guess.

Six-Axis is just mainly 6 other controls (like the D-pad, buttons etc) a developer could choose to use; meaning there is 20 different controls for the PS3 controller.

That being the 4 buttons of the d-pad, the 4 shoulder buttons and triggers, the 4 main PS buttons, the 6 axis of detectable directions and the 2 clickable anologue sticks.
I decided to leave out the start and select buttons as you don't really use them in-game.

I honestly think the only upcoming game announced so far for PS3 to take advantage of all of these will be God of War 3, because GoW1&2 used pretty much EVERY button on the PS2 controller.
So that game or will be the ultimate showcase of the Six-Axis and its future potential.

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foodbox - 492 days 17 hours ago

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This just in: "Sixaxis useless". In other news, the earth is round, the sky is blue and bluray is an MPAA DRM scheme.

More news from the Dept. of Obvious at 11.

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Cajun Chicken - 492 days 17 hours ago

13.1 - You forgot...

...and the 360 shouldn't of been sold in its current state at the start.

XBOX Live should be free because you bought the multiplayer content on the disk and those not paying for XBOX Live Gold are paying extra for unused content.
The Earth is round, so you should be able to play with those people around the world; FOR FREE, its not like you're going for a vacation or anything and PC gaming kept it free for years.

In-game chat isn't a telephone so its not really that amazing and shouldn't be charged for, AT ALL.

Finally people like renting and owning real physical based data and selling it on second hand and playing films from other regions, so forget about your potentially corruptible data of movies.
Were you sorry to see VHS go away?

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foodbox - 492 days 17 hours ago

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Its really terrific seeing you Sony Fanboys attacking the developer again -- cry sony fanboys, cry.

"oh noes, a developer refuses to lie and say the PS3 is the bestest! I'm angry at him! he suxors!1!"

Keep it up girls, you're a laugh-riot.

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Cajun Chicken - 492 days 16 hours ago

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No, the developer is wise; in HIS game, useless in HIS game.
What the HELL are you going to do with a pad shaped motion controller for a FIGHTING game?
Other games using the Six-Axis work fine; ever tried it?

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 492 days 16 hours ago

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Well we knew that already, didn't we?

99% of all games doesn't use it and if they do just for minor game elements.

Sony introduced motion sensing because Rumble was so 'last gen' or in real time: they had to add something last minute because they had to cut the rumble over a lost lawsuit. Turned out as a disaster.

LOL about another dev that also skips on Trophies. PSN and the gamerpoint copying is really gimped.

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idontcare - 492 days ago

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Folklore makes the best use of the sixaxis controls.

it´s a nice bonus.

btw. who cares about Naruto? lolol

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