Can Sony Lose The Havok Physics Engine?

shadowghost752 - 497 days ago

The Havok physics engine is good in my opinion, Motorstorm used it and the physics in that are awesome

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gameplayer - 497 days ago

You do realize that ps3 exclusives like Heavenly Sword, Motorstorm and Folklore and cross platform titles such as Oblivion, Bioshock, Alone in the Dark, Assasin's Creed and Fallout 3 all use Havok, among many others. Do you think these titles are mediocre Bombibomb? I like those games thank you very much.

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pwnsause - 497 days ago

Halo 3 uses Havok as well, in fact, alot of games do, and it runs pretty good. I think Motorstorm 2 uses Havok as well, just like Motorstorm 1, but that has yet to be confirmed. Heck even all the source Engine based games use Havok, look at half-life 2.

HAVOK is owned by Intel BTW

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jonondaspot - 497 days ago

He said the physics engine was mediocre not the game. you should get some glasses.

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pwnsause - 496 days 23 hours ago

We know. we are just saying the games that uses the Engine. I dont think its a mediocre engine at all, sure it not As good as Aegia's Physix Engine, but it gets the job done really well

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shadowghost752 - 496 days 23 hours ago

Yes i noticed that jonondaspot and i gave my opinion on the Havok engine and then gave evidence as to why i think that it is a good physics engine

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LastDance - 496 days 23 hours ago

ahhh....id call Assassins creed mediocre definatly...also...has any1 SEEN those physics?? sometimes id jump and when hes a bout to land it takes half a second or something when he's right next to the ground to actually hit it...lol...

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jonondaspot - 496 days 23 hours ago

hey, it will be powering the PS3 version of Red Faction Guerrilla which will look better on the PS3.

http://www.psxextreme.com/p...

"Speaking to Videogamer.com at THQ's Gamers Day event in San Francisco this past week, Carroll said the PS3 has the potential to "achieve better graphics than the Xbox 360." Carroll is the associate producer of the upcoming Red Faction: Guerilla, and he believes that once devs decide to dig further into the PS3, they will "find a very powerful system underneath." If you're not aware of the premise in his game, we must inform you that THQ is changing the standard first-person format to a a third-person format for this new RF installment. It will enjoy a simultaneous release on the PS3, Xbox 360 and PC during THQ's fiscal year 2009, and we're certainly looking forward to it. When prompted, Carroll said they feel as if they're "doing rather well with the PS3."

"We have been getting the physics system, the Havok system and our own proprietary destruction system running on the SPUs, as well as our animations. We're seeing quite a decent speed improvement now that we've effectively got that running on the SPUs instead of the CPUs."

Of course, it was no secret that many developers were having serious trouble getting accustomed to the more complex hardware in the PS3. Obviously, it was no picnic early on for Carroll's team, either, but once they got into it, everything apparently started to gel. He said they "felt a tremendous pressure right at the beginning to learn as much as they could about the PS3," and they just had to expend more effort. In the end, when asked if he thought we'd see better graphics on the PS3 than on the Xbox 360, Carroll said-

"I think potentially you will. I think early on people are going to be struggling to figure out exactly how to make the PS3 work. But I think once they do they will see it's a very powerful system underneath."

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StephanieBBB - 496 days 23 hours ago

You can download the havok physics engine for free on it's website so I don't know if this article does a valid statement. Why buy something thats free???

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pwnsause - 496 days 23 hours ago

THe latest version of Havok is fully Optimized to run on the PS3 BTW
Havok physics engine is set to run on one of the spus seperately from the other spus in the cell. thats why multi-core processing is important these days.

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jonondaspot - 496 days 23 hours ago

alos remeber word is that Crytek is being ported to the PS3. Its hard to find a better physics engine than that monster.

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shadowghost752 - 496 days 23 hours ago

I wonder if that means we will Crysis on the PS3

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jonondaspot - 496 days 23 hours ago

Sorry. That's what I meant. They are calling it crysis 1.5 in some circles. They hired several PS3 programmers last year - they had the jobs up on their board.

ps3 crysis -

http://kotaku.com/346247/en...

Rumors that Crysis will be coming to consoles just won't stop, which is probably a good thing for developer Crytek. Good to know that people want to play your game, especially the folks who consider a $900 PC too rich for their blood and are hungry for content. The folks dredging up the PlayStation 3 Crysis port this time are PlayStation World UK, by way of GamesRadar.

We know that the company was on the hunt for a PS3 know-it-all in the Spring of last year, but the Crytek folks have been mum since. They probably didn't want any thunder stolen from the PC version, we're guessing.

PlayStation World now says that they're hearing the PS3 version of the very pretty shooter will come packed with extras, dubbing it Crysis 1.5. But what about that rumored Xbox 360 version, listed by certain retailers? The mag puts a damper on that possibility, claiming "technical reasons." Oh really? We're staying out of that one.

Consider it rumor, but given that Crytek hasn't exactly denied such a thing exists, even saying it's "possible", we're keeping our fingers crossed that they'll announce something soon.

hey somethin differnt, look here

http://www.gamasutra.com/ph...

http://www.gamespot.com/new...

"Sony has signed licensing agreements with two of the leading developer middleware providers, Havok and Ageia. Based in Dublin, Ireland, and San Francisco, Havok has seen its physics engine used in Max Payne 2 and Half-Life 2. The agreement will let Sony include a "Havok Complete" middleware suite in its PS3 development kit, which will come with an optimized physics engine, animation engine, and other tools, including linkers and debuggers.

Ageia, based in California, is a developer of physics tools and hardware and is best known for its Ageia PhysX physics library, also known as NovodeX. According to Sony, the PhysX's multithreaded capability makes it ideal to leverage the power of the Cell. Sony's licensing agreement with Ageia will allow a PhysX optimized for the PS3 to be included in the third-party publisher software development kits (SDKs). "

Thta kills it. MS was only trying to catch up and get the same deal as Sony.

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pwnsause - 496 days 23 hours ago

good find

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solidsnakus - 496 days 23 hours ago

that ragdoll engine on gta4. thats what all games should use. euphoria, i think its called. that one just owns havok

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Jackthepwnsaur - 496 days 22 hours ago

Yea but Havok isnt a Ragdoll physics engine lol. Star Wars: the Force unleashed uses Havok and Eurphoria

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Winter47th - 496 days 22 hours ago

There are a lot'a Physics-based engines out there, Karma, Havok, Euphoria as well as built-in ones, but really, Havok is the best of'em all, only waiting for Star Wars: The Force Unleashed to see Euphoria's real potential since GTA IV didn't implement it well with the roll on their side and take a nap ragdolls and sh!tty driving physics.

To me, Psi-Ops had the best physics of the bunch.

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TheIneffableBob - 496 days 15 hours ago

@1.9
Havok is free for individual use to use in things like indie games, but if you want to make a game and sell it, you'll need a license.

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buckethead_X - 496 days 14 hours ago

that Pain uses the Havok engine. I thought the physics were pretty good. I might be wrong though; I'm not sure.

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KBDuB - 497 days ago

There was another article on here talking about this, did you read it? I didn't so iuno what it says, but if you didn't read it, you should go check it out to see what it has to say.

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KBDuB - 496 days 20 hours ago

Why in the hell did I get disagrees. -.- Lol.

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DolphGB - 496 days 20 hours ago

Speculation indeed...

Actual quote from Havok over here - http://www.n4g.com/News-180...

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ice_prophecy - 496 days 20 hours ago

General impression I get is that Euphoria = Havok. either that, or that they work interdependently lol

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jonondaspot - 497 days ago

No it isnt cause Havok is last generation. Its software even too. nvidia owns ageia now. you know, the guys that make the PS3 graphics and have a good realtionship with sony,.

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rekonizakilla - 496 days 15 hours ago

sorry my bad,just read the comment above.

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UrbanJabroni - 496 days 6 hours ago

Umm...if by "free" you mean "need to pay Havok license fees just like any other platform."

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Antan - 496 days 23 hours ago

Bingo.

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titntin - 496 days 22 hours ago

Then open your eyes!
The majority of comments in here are completely calm and rational and have nothing to do with the tired old alliegences you seem to base your entire life on.

....and for the record I'm a big xbox fan, and play just as many games on a 360 as I do on a PS3. I just don't worship at the altar...

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jonondaspot - 496 days 17 hours ago

If what comes to pass? It doesn't affect Sony at all. Sony already had a development deal in with HAVOK. this is ms jus finally getting one. You like to dream alot an most of your dreams are pretty stupid. the reason people trash you and ignore you doesnt have anything to do with you being a xbox fan, it is becuase you are just very naroow minded and willing to lie even though you know better. Do you ever wonder why you are ignored by 234...I mean 235 people? it isnt because you are right or have a decent approach.

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spandexxking - 496 days 21 hours ago

according to those list GRAW2 is on both off them. plus i noticed backbreaker was on the physx list, wasnt that supposed to be using the euphoria engine?

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Coltrain - 496 days 21 hours ago

Perhaps reading the article would put you in a better place to comment upon it. It is an article discussing the implications of the exclusivity battle moving away from titles alone and into the software that makes them. You would know that though, having read it. It's a valid discussion point, formed from observing the aim of each console manufacturer to produce more unique content. Hence it being an article, and not news. Don't just read the sections of the story posted here, read the full article. Then if you cannot comprehend the question marks at the end of sentences, ask a few questions. or better yet, get the point and make some intelligent observations on topic.

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tuaamin13 - 496 days 20 hours ago

And agree with SolidShank.

The author is trying to use a "perpetual license" as a way of saying since Sony and 3rd party devs don't have perpetual licenses, this is somehow going to allow MS to make a move in the future to grab exclusivity.
"Has this left the door open for future exclusivity? It surely gives Microsoft an advantage when negotiating with developers to produce titles for their platforms."
No, the deal is just for Microsoft first party studios. If Havok had any shred of intelligence the license wouldn't be transferable to 3rd party companies that produce MS exclusives.

I think the whole thing kind of depends on your views of whether or not there will be a better 3rd party physics engine soon. MS doesn't believe that, so they shelled out a bunch of money so they can add Havok to their games (probably to XBL games too). If they believed another engine was going to come out in the near-ish future, they would have continued to license on a per-game basis. Other developers could believe there's something around the corner, so they're continuing to license per game. That way, they won't waste a bunch of money with a perpetual license if they're rarely going to use the Havok engine after that.

Either that or the other developers just haven't finished negotiations for a perpetual license yet.

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DolphGB - 496 days 20 hours ago

Hey - there's nothing wrong with certain blogs posting the news, such as PS3 Fanboy, ThreeSpeech and (dare we say) PS3 Attitude, but it's true a lot of blogs don't do their homework.

In any case, we spoke to Havok, and here's the quote - http://www.n4g.com/News-180...

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Jason 360 - 496 days 4 hours ago

Motorstorm and HS must be "last gen" well hell... guess that means half of the PS3 games are "last gen" when half use Havok. Oh well... he is just a brain eater, starving to death trying to eat his own brain.

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shadowghost752 - 496 days 23 hours ago

I was under the impression that the Orange box uses the SOURCE ENGINE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

It is their own engine that they developed

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spandexxking - 496 days 21 hours ago

"Valve's development of Source since has been mixture of licensed middleware (Havok Physics, albeit heavily modified, and MP3 playback) and in-house-developed code." somits fair to say its based on havok

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