E3 08: MGS4 on 360 'impossible', says Sony

sonarus - 532 days 8 hours ago

What are you talking about. All he said is MGS4 is a game only possible on PS3 partly because of blu ray. He didn't go into spec details all he was saying is blu ray helped make MGS4 possible which is in fact true

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BIoodmask - 532 days 8 hours ago

“Metal Gear Solid is not only exclusive on PS3 – it’s only possible on PS3, thanks in part to Blu-Ray.“

He added: "PS3 drove the Blu-Ray format to victory and now the Blu-Ray format is poised to return the favour.”

Any PS3 game could be made on the 360. Same as any 360 game could be made on the PS3. All of this 'supposed power' that anybody spouts is nothing more than PR BS. Sure certain things would have to be accomodated to suit the hardware because the architecture is different, but that is a given.

Take Final Fantasy 13 as an example.

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donator - 532 days 8 hours ago

I don't think he said it in response to the rumors or as an attack on Xbox. I think he said it because it's part of the PS3 talking points and rhetoric.

and FF13's engine was built to be multi-platform so null point.

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sonarus - 532 days 8 hours ago

Yes offcourse its PR BS. Msoft does it, sony does it and you will even here nintendo say a game is only possible on the wii due to wii mote. Its just twisted PR speech.

Some games can't be done on other consoles though...like MAG :D

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Wildarmsjecht - 532 days 8 hours ago

I'm sure you can call BS on Tretton, but PR Bull derives mostly from MS reps these days. PR Bull is in every company though, so what's the point in getting all worked up?

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tweaker - 532 days 7 hours ago

Gran Turismo 5 possible on the 360? LMAO

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Kaneda - 532 days 7 hours ago

This will never go to 360.. Within the game.. there was part of the game promoting blu-ray and made fun xbox dvd9.... well, they could change that part to Snake's switching disk.. becoz you're using outdated storage media... :)

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JsonHenry - 532 days 7 hours ago

Resident Evil 5 looks better than MGS4 - and it is cross platform. So don't tell me that it is not possible on the 360. You just might have to use 3 disks because of all the cut scenes.

But then again, changing discs is not that big a deal since you only do it once or twice total. So who cares?

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donator - 532 days 7 hours ago

and while you're here Bloodmask, can you explain something to me that struck me in your profile:

"I have a great disdain towards Sony fanboys. I do not understand their bizarre emotional attachment to their console. I will try to be a positive influence to N4G."

Why do you have "great disdain" towards PS3 fanboys, but not X-box 360 fanboys who also have a bizzare emotional attach to their console?

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BIoodmask - 532 days 7 hours ago

and I am not saying that MGS4 is ever going to the 360 becuase I think it isn't. All I am saying is that any game for either console could be made on the other one because they are relatively equal in power.

I just find this PR BS amusing is all.

@Donator above. My disdain stems from the fact that I submit a lot of news to N4G. And the censorship has run rampant on this site.

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gambare - 532 days 7 hours ago

because the white engine was made to run in both systems thanks to the crystal tools

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

"In the latest GDC conference it was confirmed that Crystal Tools is focused to work with PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Microsoft Windows and the Wii."

but MGS4 was made using tools that works on the cell, it's not a multiplat tool, besides the use of the BD.

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BIoodmask - 532 days 7 hours ago

They could optimize the engine for any console. Do you think that Bioshock was designed with the Cell in mind? Probably not.

Yet they are porting Bioshock to the PS3. Your argument makes no sense. Any game can be made to run on either console. Once again it is just PR BS.

@iamtehpwn below your argument makes no sense either. If MGS4 could be made for PC it could be made for 360 also. They have the exact same architecture pretty much.

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iamtehpwn - 532 days 7 hours ago

Of course, but probably not on 360.
But this engine is built exclusively for Ps3 and Cell. It wouldn't be a "Port", it would be a rewrite of the engine.

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edonus - 532 days 7 hours ago

So you cant take all the content the Blu Ray disc and split it into 4-5 dvds then just swap discs. You know it wouldnt need any installs, and the 3-5 minute loading screens between chapters would turn into 15 sec disc swaps actually moving the game along faster. MGO would be one disc by itself (not like anyone would really play it).

This is another one of those Sony lies they have use to save face. Think about how it would look if they told everybody the 360 can do pretty much whatever the Ps3 can do just in a different way (sometimes even more efficient). It would bring to much reality in to the perspective of their loyalists.

They thrive on having their fanboy population thinking they have god like power if they had confirmation from Sony that their system is powerful but not necessarily oodles more powerful then other systems the shock might free some of them to go see what ppl mean when they say MS is actually delivering.

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IDemonstalkerXI - 532 days 7 hours ago

Look at GTA IV 360 and its lousy draw distance/pop-in. There are definitely processing power differences in the 2 machines. Eventually the 360 is going to be to gimp in various ways not just a lack of blu ray. Look at the ocean that goes on forever in Uncharted, Glorious horizons.

MAG 256 players on one battlefield....

Why does everything have to be gimped for the 360? FF13 is enough for crying out loud.

Sure, FFVII was on multiple discs as FFVIII and FFIX were. Yet this is 2 generations later...

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ericnellie - 532 days 7 hours ago

starting a flame war. There hasn't been a single game this generation that is so far technologically superior it couldn't be achieved on either the PS3 or 360! The only limiting factor for MGS4 on the 360 is disc space...easily solved by using multiple disks. Multiple disks would really suck for this game but, it would be the only way =)

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JBaby343 - 532 days 7 hours ago

There is really only one way to find out and I honestly don't see that happening so arguing about it is pointless. If you want the game buy a PS3. What's the problem? Same with a 360 exclusive.

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zmanacura - 532 days 7 hours ago

Lol have you even played the game or any MGS games. the disc swapping joke is in reference to the original metal gears on PS1.

ignorant people make ignorant statements and then put the gay ":)" as if to say. "Haha i'm really smart aren't i."

lol what a joke.

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Mr_Showtime1 - 532 days 7 hours ago

TONE people!

the tone of voice in which someone says something is critical, and capturing that in writing is no easy task, as it can be easily interprated differently by readers.From reading that article, it would seem that Tretton was boasting and bragging about PS3's capabilites in an arrogant manner, when actualy if you watched E3 live like myself, you would have seen that his statement was not boastful and was simply talking about various points on mgs.

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IDemonstalkerXI - 532 days 7 hours ago

Look at it this way say FF14 fully uses 3 BD's. Your going to need around 15 dvds to have the same game on 360. No joke. These are the early PS3 games were talking about. They don't get smaller as we go on... It would have been nice if FF13 spanned 2 or 3 BD's no chance of that now though.

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Rageanitus - 532 days 7 hours ago

hehe its funny how you bring the PC card into the picture so quickly to bash the ps3.........

Yet most of you xbox fanboys avoid the idea that many of the xbox games find their onto the pc platform yet are in denial that it is not exclusive. Btw this is including yourself.

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edonus - 532 days 7 hours ago

It will be released on the Ps3, 360 and the Wii, because the developement cost would be like 300million dollars and they would have to release it on every platform in order to recoup the costs,

Or sell each game for $200.00

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RemmM - 532 days 6 hours ago

He meant that it would take MORE than just proting it, but also TRYING to fit them on DVD9s. So they will probably take 6 disc for 360. And they have to edit some stuff out and also, they'd have to go back and change some of the gameplay. Such as the MkII, they would have to put a 360 controller instead of a PS3 controller.

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kydrice - 532 days 4 hours ago

FF13 was built with the PC as the lead platform so it's possible to port a version to the 360 but MGS4 was built with the PS3 directly in mind just like how Versus 13 is.

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IDemonstalkerXI - 532 days 2 hours ago

300 million is an exaggerated #, even so Blockbuster Movies have had similar budgets and games will too someday.

Usually an RPG once an engine is built and assets are created it would not take to long to fill up discs with content and CG intro's , Endings and everything inbetween gameplay that furthers the story line. Especially since Squeenix has studios that can make even MGS4 cut scenes look short and less detailed. ie. Spirits within , Advent children. Every FF game thats released on a sony platform has high quality CG.

The cost of creating a next-gen game keeps going up. MGS4 was reported to cost around $50 million thats about 1 BD of content so you could easily fill 3 for $150 million. So I think 300 mill is an exaggeration.

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edonus - 532 days 2 hours ago

Not including DLC which cost MSanother 50mil. I'm just giving a major fanchise like this the benefit of the doubt since they are always looked at as innovators. They normally build new engines for FF games (I could be mistaken on that one) but even if they didnt the level of production that would go into filling a Blu Ray could actually get that high. But then again thats right now, the costs of deveolping for this gen could go down but you still be looking at around 200mil.

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superaktieboy - 532 days ago

it's not impossible on the 360 lol.. it'll probably be hard but it defo is possible.. hell it's even possible on the N64 or w/e.. it just might mean quality loss and less stuff on the screen..

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Hoggy1983 - 531 days 23 hours ago

I think your fighting a losing battle here. The Sony fanboys are a bit frenzied this week. Funny how when a MS representativ attacks the PS3 its not ok.

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Some_One_Plays - 531 days 21 hours ago

I think you're forgetting that XBOX 360 titles hardly ever reach 720p while PlayStation 3 games go up to 1080p at 60fps. This is why I think Wardevil: Unleash the Beast Within and Heavy Rain: The Origami Killer went exclusive. The visuals alone can be higher on the PlayStation 3 than XBOX 360. So with games like Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots XBOX 360 can't do so much at once. They only have 3 symmetrical cores and PlayStation 3 has 6 synergistic processing units for developers to work with.

Anything that is on the XBOX 360 can be doubled on the PlayStation 3 due to 3 more SPEs compared to the XBOX 360. Depending on what type of game and what's going on it will most likely not be possible on the XBOX 360. Anything on the PlayStation 3 can be on the PC but would need a lot of streaming (installing) and redo of the coding.

In the end any game can be ported over it's just the experience that can be different with each. Metal Gear Solid 4 on the PlayStation 2 can be done with a lot less action, enemies, textures, space etc.

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player911 - 531 days 18 hours ago

This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

I'm not saying MGS4 will eventually come to the 360, but whether it does or not will have NOTHING to do with the fact that the PS3 version is on Blueray discs.

The discs are just a medium. Thats like putting a game on DVD vs CD. This guy uses the excuse that because it was originally on a BR-Disc that it can now no longer be played on any other medium. Well thats obviously false.

There is no reason this game cannot be played on any other hardware. Konami made the game, they can do whatever they want with it. Konami is no different then Square-Enix. They are both 3rd party developers that make games for money. If they see money in making it run on a 360 they will.

The guy, CEO of SCEA Jack Tretton, is shooting hot air.

If Konami keeps the game on the PS3, it is for reasons other then the discs it was on.

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DaTruth - 531 days 9 hours ago

These fanboys keep talking about Sony's lies... They did it!!! MGS4, Killzone 2, Uncharted, Resistance 2, GT5. The lies have become reality 1 1/2 years into the life of the console. More hot games to come. Nothing in 360's whole history comes close, and it has nothing on the horizon. And the best is yet to come(God of War). Ms has yet to beat it's first year game which had horrible draw distances and only three enemies on screen at once.

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sonarus - 532 days 7 hours ago

You are missing the point. MGS4 is only possible on the PS3 due to blu ray. If not for blu ray it would have probably been a different game becuase kojima won't have added every cut scene on the face of the earth:D

The point here though was sony hyping up blu ray and even kojima will tell you MGS4 is only possible on PS3 due to blu ray.

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JVIDICAN - 532 days 7 hours ago

why does it matter to you?
you have it already =P

Edit: to the dissagrees, belief it or not he has a ps3 and has the game hes just a duche (we love you socomnick dont ever change :])

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socomnick - 532 days 7 hours ago

I doesnt matter to me. Im just saying this guys digging a hole for himself. Also sonarus multiple disks and compression using those two things MGS 4 might fit in 2 or 3 dvds with no installations. I really dont see the problem with multiple disks you get up and pop it in takes 2 seconds.

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sonarus - 532 days 7 hours ago

1st of all, kojima made it clear that he did not compress any data for the game to keep everything high quality. So 360 automatically gets crappy port if you compress.

Game is at least 33GB. 360 DVD 9 holds 7GB of actual data. Do the math that is like 5discs at least.

Nothing wrong with multi discs though. But the point to be made here is MGS4 as it exist today in its one disc form with mega installations and all that is only possible on PS3. END OF STORY

Its a PR spin thats all it is but its not false information

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Mr_Showtime1 - 532 days 7 hours ago

Who claimed so confidently that they where going to outsell the Ps3 this generation, that's a pretty huge hole he dug himself.

On a side note, what I was angered at yesterday during Microsofts conference was how they had all these stats about how thier beating the PS3 or how thier beating the Wii, where as both nintendo and Sony, simply stated thier numbers and didnt compare it to others or brag about beating others in one section.

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socomnick - 532 days 7 hours ago

Im not 100 percent on this but I though compression did not diminish the quality of games. I though it only made it so it took longer to load. Cod 4 and pretty much every multiplatform game is compressed on the Xbox 360 and it loads faster and looks identical if not better than the ps3 version. The only difference between a ps3 version of mgs 4 and a xbox 360 version would be that.

Ps3 version-
1 blueray
10 minute install + 3 minute installs in between chapters.

Xbox 360 version-
2-5 dvds
no installs
Maybe additional content as an incentive to get people to purchase it.

It will happen eventually. :/

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sonarus - 532 days 7 hours ago

Oh i see compression doesn't diminish quality. I guess kojima decided not to compress just because he didn't have to. He just loved taking space. Offcourse compression reduces quality

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CrazzyMan - 532 days 7 hours ago

7-8 min. first install.
2 min. between chapters - GOOD time to REST for eyes.

No HDD install -> here what you get then - http://youtube.com/watch?v=... textures get loaded after 30 sec.
DVD speed is NOT enough for HIGH profile games.

Moreover, x360 games use only 7GB of disc space, rest is used for security data.
Now, Japanese MGS4 version i know that use about 47GB of data.
+ have in mind, that you will need to dublicate data, like textures, music and etc.
so in best case 6GB of new data on each disc = 8 DVDs, with additional content = 10 DVDs. Unless game will be downgraded, then maybe it will take less space.

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Spydr07 - 532 days 6 hours ago

@Crazy

Won't need duplicate data on DVD9 as the drive speeds are fast enough to do it without. That's a limitation of Bluray.

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CrazzyMan - 532 days 6 hours ago

@Spydr07, Have you watched the video?????
http://youtube.com/watch?v=...

p.s. So, how you are going to listen to a music from disc 1 on disc 2 or disc 3?
You will have to dublicate all textures/music and other stuff for EVERY disc. Do you understand that?

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Spydr07 - 532 days 6 hours ago

Touche. Sorry, long day. Forgot to think about the obvious. Lol

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sonarus - 532 days 2 hours ago

MGS4 doesn't duplicate data as evident with the installs. As far as i know, very very few games use data duplication technique

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gaffyh - 531 days 18 hours ago

Basically MGS4 is possible on the 360, but it will not look as good as it does on the PS3. MGS4 also has got HD Audio 5.1 surround which would be downsampled for 360.

If the game is 33GB on PS3 and they kept everything exactly the same it would be ATLEAST 5 DVDs (because of MS' 7.5GB size limit on the DVD9). Then on top of that they would have to duplicate all major files on each disc (unless they install these on to the HDD), e.g. textures, music, sfx, menus (ingame and main menu), logo movies at the start. Meaning the game would possibly go over 6 DVDs.

Because of this they would HAVE to lower the quality of the game cos MGS4 is only 5 acts, how would that fit on 6 DVDs?

Square Enix have not thought FF13's move to 360 out, I think they will realise that they will have to compromise A LOT for the game to work on the 360. This will either mean both the PS3 and 360 versions of the game will get gimped, or the PS3 version will look a lot better (cos they are developing that version first and haven't even started on the 360 version).

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athlon770 - 531 days 13 hours ago

they could put one chapter on each disc. That would total 5 discs. Get done with a chapter, get up and put in a new disc. That would work...wouldn't it?

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nirwanda - 531 days 13 hours ago

so be your logic I.D's decision with it's tech 5 to compress textures from 1000's gigs of texture information down to something that would fit into ram also lowers quality then.

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Shaka2K6 - 532 days 8 hours ago

LMAO Sony owns so hard.

stop begging for MGOTYS4 stupid xbugs you will never touch a AAAA game like MGOTYS4 only possible on PS3.

xbug 3rd60 couldnt handle more then 3 soldiers on screen without overheating and exploding in the xbugs ugly faces hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaa.

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Montrealien - 532 days 8 hours ago

LOL, you guys are so funny, you just speak the truth and have so much logic my pants iron themselves, awesome. How do I become as cool and consistent as you guys?

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QueefyB - 532 days 7 hours ago

hahaha this guy was crying in the forums today http://forums.n4g.com/m_112...

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Montrealien - 532 days 7 hours ago

You got a problem with me?? I challenge you to a rock off on PSN!

Choose you poison, Rock Band or Guitar hero, any song on expert, let's settle this like the geeks we are! You little fake account bubble booster you!

@atbubbleboosterboy below
That's all you got? man your pathetic, if your trolling skills are as good as your Guitar hero/Rock band skills I have nothing to worry about. But it won't happen, you are not real anyways and would never have the balls to accept a gamer challenge from anyone here on N4G.

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QueefyB - 532 days 7 hours ago

lol

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Tommy Vercetti - 532 days 7 hours ago

Are you mentally challenged? You consistently type incoherent mindless babble that betrays an unbelievable lack of intelligence. You are being ignored by 120 people. Keep trying for more fanboy. Another point. PS3 has one good game. Wow. It may end up on Xbox it may not. Who cares either way? No one but you it seems.

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AngryTypingGuy - 532 days 5 hours ago

Of course the Sony guy says it's not possible. It is possible, just not on one disc.

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redki - 531 days 11 hours ago

The 360 is more powerfull in gaming periode.
The 360 just needs blu ray or a 500gb HD.

MSG4 would be awesome on 360 with new content also.

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Deadman64 - 532 days 5 hours ago

why do you consistantly post x times in a row in every article? Are you just stupid?

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digger18 - 531 days 19 hours ago

@ Lawman "Being North America is the largest market in the world"

WRONG. Europe is and by a long way.

I had the link to this somewhere, must find it.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 532 days 7 hours ago

LOL!!!

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Montrealien - 532 days 7 hours ago

Did I miss a Kojima interview or are you being sarcastic? for real, not joking send me the link I got to read that.

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ThatCanadianguy420 - 532 days 7 hours ago

Did you see the SONY show? did you see the developers
talking about PS3?

Im 99.9% sure it's safe to say,that a group of famous game dev's know a hell of alot more about console spects & stat's then some random guy on a game site such as yourself.

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Montrealien - 532 days 7 hours ago

yeah, they where all pretty hypocritical imho though Cndguy, I mean they all work on Multiplat games with minimal differences. that was my take on that brown noes fest. ;D We know the PS3 is a great console, just not the gods hand some people seem to think it is.

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kazuma - 532 days 7 hours ago

ever heard of pr talk? microsoft and nintendo do it too.
amazing how u ppl take what these guys say seriously. tell me, what is their job? to go out and say "buy the competition's console we don't want u to buy ours"??? i don't think so...

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Xbox is the BEST - 532 days 7 hours ago

www.joystiq.com/2005/11/16/koj ima-mgs4-demo-could-run-on-the- xbox-360/ - 143k -

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PirateThom - 532 days 7 hours ago

Nov 16th 2005 2:00PM

Hahaha, because nothing changed in 2 and a half years.

HAHAHA!

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juuken - 532 days 5 hours ago

Crab, Kojima said that he would like to make a game on the 360 but not MGS4. You morons were insulting this game as being more of a movie than a game so NOW you want it?

I don't understand your kind. Something is wrong with every one of ya. And that interview was back in 2005. DON'T YOU FEEL SPECIAL NOW?! :D

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Snukadaman - 532 days 7 hours ago

and final fantasy 13 will never come to xbox as well with its 5 discs....

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Xbox is the BEST - 532 days 7 hours ago

like this
Edit : Pic won't upload

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ShinGino - 532 days 7 hours ago

MGS4 was just released last month you douche!

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PirateThom - 531 days 9 hours ago

A while back... almost two and a half years ago?

I say again, nothing changed since then all through those 2 and a half years? I mean, that's twice people have posted this now, does anyone even read the dates on these things?

2 and a half years ago... wow.

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