Outrage over PlayStation.Blog calling 1080i 'almost HD'

pharmd - 549 days 12 hours ago

it is.... just ask the people with 480i if 1080i is hd

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Panthers - 549 days 12 hours ago

Exactly. These terms "Almost HD and Full HD" are just created to get people to buy TVs that are not necessary. 1080p is great, but not for a 32" TV. HD is HD. My TV says HDTV and it gets 1080i.

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meepmoopmeep - 549 days 12 hours ago

yeah, that's why i stuck with 720p. my gaming tv is only 32". does the job great.

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FordGTGuy - 549 days 12 hours ago

1080i and 1080p share the same resolution.

1920x1080

One just displays quicker then the other.

Love how people disagree with a fact.

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UGA_1 - 549 days 12 hours ago

Why are people making a big deal about this.

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GiantEnemyCrab - 549 days 12 hours ago

"They buy inferior products "like wii and xbox 360 owners""

WTF was that about?

EDIT: Ah, I see. Thanks for the explanation. I guess I'm more defensive than usual today..

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Silogon - 549 days 12 hours ago

It was a joke, Crab. Mainly because people say I am an xbox fanboy here so I thought I'd toss that out. I love my xbox 360 too. I support it fully, as do I the ps3. I am in no way married to eitherone.

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As for the 1080I and 1080P thing. no, 1080I is not the same as 1080P. It is, as I said, running well below what 1080p preforms at in terms of refresh and hz.

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fenderputty - 549 days 11 hours ago

"1080i and 1080p share the same resolution.

1920x1080

One just displays quicker then the other."

This is ture. Although displaying the image quicker makes anything moving fast that much more sharp. It is noticeable. I have a 720/1080i tv and my brother's 1080p looks better. Also, it's REALLY noticeable on any TV bigger then 45".

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romaink - 549 days 9 hours ago

no one is denying the fact that 1080p is better than 1080i, but to tell consumers that their 1080i sets are "almost HD" is an insult... especially in a press release.

I could see how console owners would feel insulted if I said my GeForce 9800GTX made their consoles "almost HD" because of its maximum resolution of 2560 x 1600.

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m9105826 - 549 days 8 hours ago

I may be wrong, but how can a TV with a native resolution of 1280x720 (my tv) also display 1080i? I seem to remember a while back reading a tech article stating that 1080i doesnt actally have 1080 lines.

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Some_One_Plays - 549 days 7 hours ago

If your TV is 720p / 1080i this is usually considered to be an old HD (High Definition) set-up. With 1080p you're receiving uncompressed signals that present a much clearer image than 1080i.

Technology: Interlace (1080i) vs. Progressive (1080p) Blog HTML: http://www.gamespot.com/use...

The ending just states how your TV is refreshing on the screen to give you a moving image. The best example would be Blu-ray movies run at full HD (1080p). If your TV doesn't support 1080p it isn't full HD so they were just stating it isn't full HD / almost full HD. People always misinterpret everything in gaming.

Interlaced - horizontal rows of pixels are being changed repeatedly to give you a moving image on screen.

Progressive - whole images are being sent at once repeatedly to give you a moving image on screen.

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RevN8r - 549 days 6 hours ago

Thanks for the picture, I don't think enough people realize that's the way it works.

I wish people would also realize Sony wasn't trying to make anyone feel less than adequate with their 1080i tv, they were just trying to make a joke (and I'm sure they wish they hadn't now).

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deeznuts - 549 days 6 hours ago

720P and 1080i used to be considered HD. This was when it first came out a decade ago and that's all you got. 1080p didn't exist yet. I even think it was an FCC designation.

My buddy who does CGI in hollywood says ever since 1080p came out, those resolutions have been designated by those in the industry as half HD while 1080p is just HD or Full HD. It's a way of differentiating them. They render in "HD" which means 1080p. If I say HD to him, he thinks 1080p. When I talk about TVs and mention 720 or 1080i, he says, "oh you mean half HD."

So there most likely is a difference between what we consumers think, as gamers and tv buyers, vs. what those in the content creation/industry may think. That maybe what happened here.

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shazam - 548 days 21 hours ago

This article would mean a lot more if there was an actual outrage on the PS BLOG or anywhere else on the net. But there isn't.

THIS ARTICLE IS A FILTHY PACK OF LIES

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Statix - 549 days 9 hours ago

Going by their logic, if 1080i is "almost HD," then 720p is "almost HD" also. 1080i has been one of the most standard high-def output formats since the inception of the HD ERA; it used to be much more ubiquitous and accepted as an HD format than 720p.

The fact that the PS3 is a design misstep/hardware flaw resulting from the exclusion of a hardware scaler. Every PS3 game needs to either use software scaling or a stop-gap line-doubling technique in order to upscale 720p to 1080i. This results in performance issues and spotty support for the resolution.

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Ramzadel - 549 days 6 hours ago

Most local channels are now broadcasting in HD isn't resolution of that 1080i?

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Britjadg - 549 days 2 hours ago

guys this whole thing is ridiculous. 1080i is closer to 720p than it is 1080p.

definitions aside, i promise that you would actaully HAVE to be a hawk to spot the difference between 1080p and 1080i on a screen smaller than 42 inches

i have a 37 inch samsung, my dad has a 37 inch panasonic. his is full hd compatible, mine has a max res of 1080i. i've played GT5p (1080p game) on both screens (granted not at the same time) and i reckon you would be hard pushed to spot the difference. same with bluray.

1080p screens are currently pointless unless you have a screen thats HUGE, i.e 50+inch. From what i understand its a bit like using the new Geforce 8800 on an old 15inch monitor. stupid.

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funkeystu - 549 days 2 hours ago

haha - well spotted, another article blowing things out of proportion!

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Wise Rant Monkey - 549 days 12 hours ago

<I never noticed!)

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Lumbo - 549 days 12 hours ago

Your definition of "HD" seems massively warped from the official iso standards.

480i is SDTV = Standard definition = old
480p is EDTV = "enhanced definition" = still standard definition but at least progressive scan

HD resolutions are 720p and 1080p for 1:1 pixel aspects and 1080i for older non square pixel plasma sets. The physical resolution of an 1080i only set is 1280*1080, NOT 1920*1080. It is widely accepted that progressive scan is the way to go, as interlaced pictures suffer from a load of problems. Another problem with 1080i is the non square pixels that distort the aspect ratio. Hence 720p and 1080p are the two HD resolutions to reach. But 1080i is also an accepted HD resolution.

720p is way enough for a 32" set as the added bonus of FullHD only stands out on 42" and up screens.

And lastly: there are no vertical lines in TV's , its all horizontal lines, hence "lines" vertical lines would be "rows" and rows are not affected by interlacing at all.

Interlacing is a tech to allow slower displays to create an illusion of a higher resolution. By only displaying all even lines followed by only displaying all odd lines. the speed of the refresh creates the illusion of both lines being visible at the same time .. this illusion crashes as soon as the picture moves, as interlacing results in shadow images and broken edges, and a heap of other image artifacts. Hence progressive scan is preferred as it refreshes the whole screen in one go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Also take note that the refresh rate for interlaced material is HALF of the refresh rate for progressive scan material. So a 30fps interlaced scene is only as good as a 15fps progressive scene. This is the main reason why de-interlacing does not magically creates a FullHD image out of 1080i material, the needed pictures are simply not present in the material.

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FordGTGuy - 549 days 12 hours ago

HDTVs starts at 1280x720 and goes up from there.

720p, 1080i & 1080p.

Although not used on HDTVs monitors are all High Definition.

1280x720, 1280x768, 1280x800, 1280x900, 1280x960, 1280x1024, 1360x768, 1360x1024, 1440x900, 1600x1200 and so on.

In all truthfulness HD starts at 1280x720 and goes up from there.

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PoSTedUP - 549 days 12 hours ago

they are all(except for 480i) "higher" definition than SD. 480p looks a lil bit better than SD. hence its called ED. they have HDtv's that aren't plasma or LCD ya know. HDtv's that ARENT LCD or PLASMA. still fall under HD category : P, please dont bring personal opinions into this. if its not SD, 480i or black and white, its HD(with the exception of 480p=ED). may not be "tru" high deff, but it IS high definition......

wow, that how much people are spoiled now a days huh?

@ below- nah you right, 480i is standard, 480p is enhanced. my bad, i thought it was considered hi deff. i fixed it. my whole comment wasnt BS was it? just that one part right? : /

480p isnt standard, just 480i is. 480p is enhanced deff. which does look slightly clearer.

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Lumbo - 549 days 12 hours ago

Sorry PoSTedUP, but that is complete and utter BS, 480i/p is STANDARD DEFINITION. Hence it is impossible for it to look "better" than standard definition, main reason being that it can hardly look better than itself, can it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

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scottie2521 - 549 days 10 hours ago

hey i got a question for you since you seem to be one of the few people on here that actually know what they're talking about.

i have a 42inch lcd tv. it supports all resolutions from 480i through 1080p. and i have a hd box from Direct TV that supports resolutions 480i through 1080i and i can switch between resolutions.

my question is: should i select the box to output 720p or 1080i for the best picture?

i always thought 720p and 1080i were basically the same thing but i'm not completely sure. there's no doubt 1080p looks better that both of them but i can't much of a difference between 720p and 1080i. sometimes 1080i looks better, sometimes 720p looks better. could you clear this up for me?

appreciate it

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Statix - 549 days 9 hours ago

Lumbo, I have no idea what you're talking about or where you're getting your (mis)information from, but 1080i is the same pixel aspect ratio as every other HD format: 16:9. 720p is 16:9, 1080p is 16:9, and 1080i is 16:9... they're ALL 16:9 aspect ratio.

Another major mistake you made was saying that 1080i is just 1280x1080 resolution. That is COMPLETELY incorrect. 1080i's resolution is 1920x1080, same as 1080p. However, the difference is that 1080i's horizontal lines refresh in an alternating fashion at 60hz, whereas 1080p refreshes the entire image at a time at 30hz.

To say that 1080i is only 1280x1080, or implying that it's STRICTLY inferior to 720p, is patently INCORRECT.

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gogators - 549 days 8 hours ago

off topic, but I have HD Direct TV also. Your choice in resolution depends on several things, but mainly how it looks to you. Alot of the channels report broadcasts being carried in 1080i, but I find on my TV that 720p has over all been the best at least with motion. I really don't see much difference between the two except on my Samsung in the game room and there 720p generally looks better.

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scottie2521 - 549 days 7 hours ago

yeah i was thinking the same thing too. when i watch something like the news, 1080i looks good but when i watch sports 720p looks better.

i guess i'll keep trying to see what works best.

+bubbles

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ar - 549 days 5 hours ago

nm. missread.

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Real Gambler - 548 days 13 hours ago

Once and for all:
1080p means 1920X1080 progressive. Over 2 millions pixels showed on screen at the same time.
1080p means 1920X1080 interlace. Over 2 millions pixels showed on screen at the same time. (interlace is definitively not great for fast moving object, but cut bandwith in half, so great for typical tv broadcast)
720p means 1280X720, less than 1 million pixels, so not even half the pixels showed on a 1080 i or p display. So pixel wise, 720p suck, but it's great for two things: Fast moving objects, and low bandwith (tv broadcast) or half the load on a console or PC GPU, if you compare with 1080p.

From Wikipedia:

1080i is a shorthand name for a category of video modes. The number 1080 stands for 1080 lines of vertical resolution, while the letter i stands for interlaced or non-progressive scan. 1080i is a high-definition television (HDTV) video mode. The term usually assumes a widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9, implying a horizontal resolution of 1920 pixels and a frame resolution of 1920 × 1080 or about 2.07 million pixels.

1080p is the shorthand name for a category of display resolutions. The number "1080" represents 1,080 lines of vertical resolution,[1] while the letter p stands for progressive scan (meaning the image is not interlaced). 1080p is considered an HDTV video mode. The term usually assumes a widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9, implying a horizontal resolution of 1920 pixels. This creates a frame resolution of 1920×1080, or about 2.07 million pixels.

720p assumes a widescreen aspect ratio of 16:9, a vertical resolution of 720 pixels and a horizontal resolution of 1280 pixels for a total of about 0.92 million pixels.

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Real Gambler - 548 days 13 hours ago

The question is truly, what is the NATIVE resolution of your TV. There's some tv that support 1080p, but the native resolution of the TV is truly around 1280X720. They accept the 2 million pixels found in 1080i and 1080p signals, and simply drop half the pixels to display it on the display at it's lower native resolution. So sure enough, you won't see much difference between a 1080p and 720p signal since the first one will be stripped from half it's pixels. About 8 "hd" tv out of 10 don't have a true NATIVE 1920X1080 resolution.

If your tv is truly capable of displaying a 1920X1080 resolution (keep in mind only a small percentage have this type of NATIVE resolution), then you're much better watching any show coming from your broadcast provider in the resolution being sent to you. You will find out that most sports channel use 720p (1 million pixels) because of fast action, but channel like Discovery will use 1080i because of the 2 millions pixels and awesome slow moving scenery. Trust me, it's much better, 95% of the time, to look at 2 millions pixels, even if it's interlace, rather than half the pixels, but in progressive.

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ianp622 - 549 days 12 hours ago

Yeah everybody else seems to miss the point. The 1080i resolution is not for TVs that can do 720p or 1080i; it's for TVs that can only do 480p or 1080i, but can't accept 720p signals. These TVs are older and oftentimes the 1080i only means they can accept 1080i signals, but don't display at the full 1080i resolution.

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season007 - 549 days 9 hours ago

i look thru these replies but no one seem to get the idea...and yes including this author who wrote this stupid article

this refers to the TV set that do 480p/1080i and most of these are in 4:3....

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PirateThom - 549 days 12 hours ago

The quote is on the PlayStation Blog, but there's no outrage that I can see.

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juuken - 549 days 11 hours ago

eagle dammit, you made me choke over my food! That was funny as hell. xD

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eagle21 - 549 days 12 hours ago

spare the drama please...lol

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Jason 360 - 549 days 6 hours ago

Or Haze at 570p

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Ali_The_Brit - 548 days 19 hours ago

and yet it still beats NG2, irony

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Jason 360 - 548 days 18 hours ago

Haze = 6
Ninja Gaiden 2 = 8

Can you count?............Dumbass

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Gam71 - 549 days 1 hour ago

Watch out, undedicated ps3 fangirl commenting on something she doesn't own in a deliberately negative and misleading way alert.

You see the 360 has a chip that upscales and downscales so even though halo was 640p it can be displayed in 1080p full hd.

Or do you think that if a game is say 570p it should only be displayed in that res and no other because that would be lying?

It's a great little chip and means 360 owners don't ever have this sort of issue.

It also means they can buy whatever tv they want and don't have to wait for a patch.

What was it that made you give you silly comment? jealousy? or stupidity?

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