PSN - Let's Be Honest

chaosatom333 - 584 days 3 hours ago

Nobody complained on the ps2, because it wasn't that big. So sony didn't go into it that much.

But now that it's big, Sony is try to make a larger step towards gaming.

I think an Average Joe would be surprised by the things ps3 CAN do right now. I also think that $50 for a service would make consumers reluctant to go online. It's not a lot, but it's something. They are already paying for DSL, then why is it not free.

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v1c1ous - 584 days 2 hours ago

nobody complained about ps2's online structure, because no one had a good online structure period.

when xbox 1 came out, and xbl first came into the scene, that was when ps2's online component looked archaic.

xbl has forced sony to hit the drawing boards with PSN. and be glad, or right now you would have only 4-5 games with online, no downloadable content, or heck, a simple message system to talk with your buddies.

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Yoma - 584 days 2 hours ago

Oh, I forgot to say that we will have youtube upload service!

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The Wood - 584 days ago

;)

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crck - 584 days ago

They did totally rework the store in April. Plus the service is uh free! Compare it to the other free service available. Yeah doesn't look too bad in comparison does it?

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Montrealien - 584 days ago

Do you remember E3 2000? Sony was very well pushing online support with pretty neat ideas I remember eating up like candy.

*counts on fingers*

That was 8 years ago....

PSN and the online support will get better from Sony, but accept the fact that it is infact lagging, nothing wrong with that, crap happens. I was gaming and chatting online with games like Soccom, Freqency and much more on my PS2 way before my Xbox. They are not the online noobs you label them as.

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Lifendz - 583 days 22 hours ago

It's been free out the box and has gotten better at a very fast rate. The new PSN store is so easy to use and in-game xmb is on the way.

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Tomdc - 583 days 10 hours ago

I wanna kno when EU will get the video download service as I presume we won't be getting it at the same time as the US...

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BattleAxe - 583 days 7 hours ago

Its the best thing since sliced bread.

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thesummerofgeorge - 583 days 7 hours ago

Another "is it too late for Sony?" article... Then next time there will be an article about how 360 is dead and ps3 is surely winning the console race. Whatever gets peoples attention.

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deeznuts - 583 days 2 hours ago

The author can talk once he has actually tried to code anything even remotely close to what Sony is doing. Then talk. Until then, STFU.

Things that are rushed hardly ever turn out well. I can think of some games, even some consoles ...

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Breakfast - 584 days 2 hours ago

What little history it has...

All PSN needs to be better then XBL, is in-game XMB...thats it.

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Steven Colbert - 584 days 1 hour ago

If people want to socialize and talk about their games so much like on xbox live just go to myspace or n4g lol.Frankly to me games are more important and whoever delivers wins my money.If I want to talk to my friends I will just play PSN or Live.But I dont want to pay money for the "privilege" of social gaming.Even though the marketplace has movies I got netflix right here to give me a better selection.Seriously the Live marketplace has alot of garbage movies.

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Lifendz - 583 days 22 hours ago

people will laugh at the thought of paying a yearly fee for what PSN gives you for free.

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Rockwallaby - 583 days 20 hours ago

The only thing i want is cross game messaging

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Siraris - 584 days 4 hours ago

I'm just curious, but who expects everything to happen automatically on PSN? Has it not been 2 years since PSN launched? Have these features not been talked about for years now?

And the features that are coming are what Xbox live already has, so I don't understand how you can say it will be better. They are also years late.

I love my PS3, but I'm tired of waiting all this time for content and features it should have had YEARS ago (I'm not talking 2 months ago, or even 6 months ago). You cannot deny that there is an utter dearth of content on the PSN store compared to Xbox LIVE, and we know of next to NOTHING coming any time soon to the PSN store, aside from SOCOM and Wipeout. While those games are great, and I am VERY excited for both, you are trying to attract millions of people out there, casual gamers as well.

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Nitrowolf2 - 584 days 2 hours ago

PSN is growing

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lsujester - 584 days 1 hour ago

To me it seems like Sony wasted a lot of time building the commercial side of Home, with sponsorship and the like, instead of just improving the current PSN. I wouldn't have minded to wait an extra six months or year for Home if it meant getting in-game XMB, unified friends lists, etc., a year earlier.

Trophies, Home, YouTube, and things like that I could give or take, but not being to pause the game and go chat with a friend is a sin against the online gaming gods.

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Sayai jin - 583 days 18 hours ago

@BRACHATTACK, the reason why there are more updates on PSN currently is becuase they are contantly adding and debugging a service that has been out 2 years. XBL has been out more than 5 years and has a lot more time to fix a lot of there earlier problems. So people should not compare them. TBH, XMB should hve been there at lunch, but they are working on getting it out. It takes time to perfect online service. Whats funny is that Sony and Nintendo both said online gaming had no future, LOL, yeah right. Sony definately has turned that thoguht around. I would gladly pay for PSN once I see the improvents I want. Is it a good service now, yes, no question! XBL is not perfect either, but as PSN improves so will XBL.

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Siraris - 584 days 3 hours ago

Don't be sorry for being optimistic, but just be realistic as well. Yes, LIVE charges $50 a year, but that most likely goes towards paying the guys who monitor content and the service itself, as well as bandwidth costs, not necessarily improvement of features.

I'm a developer myself, albeit not on a grand scale like LIVE or PSN, but I know the trials and tribulations it can take to get a product ready and on the market. I can even forgive the delay of HOME, but the lack of content on the PSN store is abysmal. I cannot overlook that, simply because you can have a team of 5 guys make a PSN title. With Sony boasting the biggest internal development studio on the planet, they have no excuse, ESPECIALLY when most of their exclusive games this year are from external developers (MediaMolecule, Insomniac, Konami).

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beavis4play - 583 days 22 hours ago

you can't forgive sony for no content on psn? i don't think you're looking very hard. there is lots of stuff on psn. personally, i think super stardust and echochrome are brilliant. and how many games do you think needs to be on an online store. and do you honestly believe a gamer (who isn't loyal to any brand) would base a console purchase on online services ahead of the games the system has? uh, no. i buy ps because of the exclusive games sony has. on psn i also enjoy lots of demos and movie trailers...etc...so i don't think you are very realistic at all.

but the biggest flaw i see in your post is this: you say you dev. games? then why wouldn't you realize that maybe sony doesn't need to bring as many first party titles out this year because their third party exclusives are so strong. why would they bring out GOW or new jak and daxter or whatever when they have (for example) MGS4, LBP, resistance and even snagged bioshock(with possible new content)from MS exclusive list. they can afford to wait. KZ2 was pushed back to next feb. because they didn't want it to compete with resistance 2. that's a REALISTIC move to expect from a smart business. also, i don't care what anyone says, only a fanboy would insist paying for something that you can get for free makes any sense. i'm very pleased with what sony is offering. my only gripe with psn is they could put some more "classic" arcade games on there. but really, i wouldn't be buying that many so it's not that big of a deal. you say you're being realistic, but i don't think you are. if anything, you're being over-dramatic and a little partial to the 360. but you're entitled to your opinion.

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Sayai jin - 583 days 18 hours ago

I think he just wants more from PSN. Which in time should come.

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v1c1ous - 584 days 2 hours ago

this is sony's first time online?

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v1c1ous - 584 days 2 hours ago

is determining the WII's success right now...

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lsujester - 584 days 1 hour ago

True that. The PS2 has a huge game library with huge quality and variety within. Now the Wii is a cheap console with games that ANYONE can play, even if they barely use it.

No four hundred dollar console, no matter MS or Sony, filled with blood, guts, and a billion button controller will ever get Grandpaw Moses to pick it up the way the Wii will.

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Fragking28 - 583 days 4 hours ago

are u that naive to beleive sony or anyother company for that matter when they say they dont care about market share?

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KnaveX - 584 days 2 hours ago

actually trolls like you call it delaystation so you fail.

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boodybandit - 584 days ago

is he has 4 agrees

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beavis4play - 583 days 22 hours ago

they were "supposed" to be out this year, right? i guess you'll just have to......wait?.....since they were DELAYED.

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UnasFortuna - 583 days 7 hours ago

bubbles for u

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lsujester - 584 days 1 hour ago

I totally agree. Sony's biggest fault of the last few years has mainly been two things: complacency and pride.

Complacency in that they didn't work nearly as hard to get things like exclusives because they assumed the developers would still do that for them, and they that didn't actually progress their gaming business when they had the chance, instead of waiting on someone to pass them by.

Pride in that they assumed that they didn't have to do anything simply because they thought the name Playstation would take care of everything for them... even if they put out a very expensive console, even if the online was gimped (in comparison), even if they didn't have the exclusives of last gen, even if they had made huge claims about hardware that they couldn't back up, even if they alienated potential partners and had to exclude things such as rumble.

Don't get me wrong, I love Sony's products, and I think my PS3 is a wonderful machine. But I also realize that if you see Sony limping, it's because while twirling their guns in glee from last gen, they accidentally shot themselves.

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beavis4play - 583 days 22 hours ago

rrod,last gen dvd drive, system can't play hd movies, almost non-existant 1st party games. a year head start with no next gen competition and wii has passed them and sony will in the next year. sony may have shot themselves in the foot, but ms killed themselves.

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UnasFortuna - 583 days 7 hours ago

Granted, Sony made a mistake by not trying to integrate a "universal" online play system earlier in their consoles lifespan. Get over it and move on. Maybe they saw how they destroyed the Dreamcast and decided (mistakenly) that online wasn't as big as we now know it is. If only they had a PS3 back then to go into the future to see how high gamers hold online play. You also can't compare the PS2's online experience with the PS3 iteration of PSN. The online capable games were few and far in between with no standards of online gameplay. As much as I dislike MS, I must give them credit where credit is due. They have implemented a great system of online play, but then again... look how long they have had to perfect what they have to this date. Sony has done an amazing job to this date. Granted some features should have been present at launch and who knows their reasoning. But things are getting added with every update. I give Sony kudos and patience for improving their free online service. The problem with society today (especially here in the USA) is that everyone expects everything to be there from the get go and at a cheaper price or for free. I can't imagine the complexities involved with improving such a system or implementing aspects such as HOME, ingame XMB, etc. With such an advanced piece of technology the potential for "bugs" I would think would be astronomical. Not to mention the legal aspects of any improvements... especially in this lawsuit happy world. People try to sue for the stupidest things nowadays. PSN will continue to grow as will LIVE... however, the question we should be pondering is if the PSN will be able to catch up to LIVE without being a little more aggressive. I would be willing to pay a fee for online service if it helped with the development costs and got things out a little faster. One thing Sony does need to do is unify their online to create a universal infrastructure that all game developers have to comply with as is the case with LIVE if I am not mistaken. If they leave it up to the developers, Sony fans are going to get the shaft as developers decide how little or how much online support they are willing to program into the game.

@beavis....we all know MS used shady manufacturing to get their product out the door first and at a cheaper price (one reason I applaude Sony for sticking to their guns on the release version of the PS3 and its price... I don't regret picking up two on launch). However, they are also trying to hit a cheaper demographic of the population with their total number of consoles (humm... anyone thinking of the wii). I can't imagine many PS3 owners out there who can't afford broadband access... even though I know there are some die hard Sony fans who have had to save and save to get their console of choice and probably can't currently afford the broadband necessary even for the free online community.

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mcgrawgamer - 584 days 2 hours ago

don't stoop to the level of a idiot cuz when u do they'll destroy you with their intelligence. :)

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Lumbo - 584 days 1 hour ago

not "intelligence" , EXPERIENCE

*rolleyes*

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ravinshield - 584 days 2 hours ago

WAIT B3YOND

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Telmarine - 584 days 2 hours ago

You're both correct

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Yoma - 584 days 2 hours ago

Go back to your Laggbox Lagg if you like to. We will ENJOY our PSN !

B3yond!

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Sir_Ken_Kutaragi - 584 days 1 hour ago

...It's FREE and it's RELIABLE(i have never had a problem with it yet)
Is it to Late??? Er thought PS3 was Selling more than
the x(PC)Box 360??? every month without HOME, VIDEO's etc etc... ;)
SONY doesn't even have to try and it's Kick'in Micro$oft @SS!!! ;-D

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Orange - 583 days 4 hours ago

To me PSN is a list of servers in Warhawk or COD4. They work flawlessly. Soon will come in-game messaging. What else defines a solid network?

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wAtdaFck - 584 days 2 hours ago

I believed that it was already around the half-way mark for this generation of video game consoles, and that Sony is being way too late for the party. But your opinion changed my mind.

I find it easier to believe that Sony is doing all it can to give us a great service, free of charge. Although, as much as I would like to say the phrase, "better late than never," this is Sony's first generation with a universal online service where it is Microsoft's second, and even still, PSN has delivered quite impressively.

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resistance100 - 584 days 1 hour ago

I disagree LIVE can always improve as well, taking away the subcription fee will be a good start imo. Still having a great service on both consoles will be ideal for all gamers

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juuken - 584 days 1 hour ago

True, true. And if the 360 was more reliable combined with that, then I'll reconsider it.

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morganfell - 583 days 23 hours ago

sony planned for psn to be free. ms did not so likewise with live. money lost from live subscriptions means it has to be replaced from somewhere else. and while we are here sony could just buy ms. see how ridiculous that sounds? maybe they will buy bungie.

see what it is like reading comments where people just invent things? ms is not going to get rid of their subscription fee so stick to less fantastical flights of fancy.

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Kleptic - 583 days 8 hours ago

uh?...the PSN user base is growing at a higher rate than XBL's gold subscriptions...You think MS will sit around and watch the PSN come steaming up on them?...

on paper the PSN has a much brighter looking future...their are announced features and services that XBL hasn't even touched...there are movie, music, and TV (assuming that Play TV stuff is all linked with the PSN) as well as more game content all planned to be implemented eventually...I say eventually, because who knows when...but XBL has what on the horizon?...Netflix maybe?...XBL does have a lot more content currently, but their is nothing shown or talked about to combat the likes of what Sony has in store...

and not to mention Home...that will be a much more drawing attraction to future owners if they do it right...if its still free and has all the gaming features implemnted properly, it will steal a lot of thunder from XBL...

MS already has very little excuse to be charging for online gaming...its not 'premium' by any sense of the word...you don't get hundreds of high speed dedicated servers for lots of games like you do with the PSN...If one XBL user could explain to me where their money is going, I'll let it go...

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n to the b - 583 days 9 hours ago

I've already bought a few themes for my 360's background. unless you meant to point out that they're free, I've heard PS3 themes are free...

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