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GTA IV Face-off Frame-rates and FAQ

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Following on from last Thursday's Grand Theft Auto IV: PS3 vs. Xbox 360 Special, author Rich Leadbetter told Eurogamer that he'd found an even more precise way of measuring average frame-rates and wanted to update you on this. He also thought it would be a good idea to answer a few of the more commonly asked questions about his methodology. The Frame Rate Tests section of the piece has now been tweaked accordingly, and here's Rich's commentary on it:
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Saint Sony - 595 days 17 hours ago
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1 - Looks pretty good on both systems
Had a pleasure to play this gem on both system. It looked really nice on both but after playing first with 360, it was really hard to get used to PS3's more blurred look, but in the end it worked equally well.

Did not notice any tearing with 360 or PS3.
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Dareaver1 - 595 days 16 hours ago
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1.1 - Well, they did say that....
the screen tearing is in the overscan. Which is in the area of the TV that you can't see. I have it for 360, and haven't noticed any, but that does answer why we can't see it.

I'm just happy with the game, it's awesome, and has some really good storytelling. It feels like a interactive movie at times, and then some of it is just so well grounded in reality that it makes it all feel surreal. And then there are the parts that aren't grounded in reality, but those are also very entertaining.

I just love some of the hidden messages that if you pay attention, address real concerns going in our lives today. The game is awesome, and i believe that it's helping bring to light that video-games are an art form and should be respected and taken seriously (without going overboard).
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Silellak - 595 days 14 hours ago
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1.2 -
Yup, it's awesome on both systems, and the last thing we need is YET ANOTHER stupid comparison article.

So many different results from different people! It's almost as if...the versions were incredibly close and the differences are not worth worrying about!
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Violater - 595 days 14 hours ago
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1.3 -
This clearly has nothing to do with gaming anymore.
Once upon a time you played games and had fun and never worried about the pixels and the frames.
Now everything is ZOMG!!!!111 the textures and yet ignore that the gameplay is most times broken and repetitive.
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Silellak - 595 days 14 hours ago
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1.4 - @1.3
Yeah, I've said the same thing myself before.

I remember when multi-console game debates were about big things like "The SNES version of Mortal Kombat has better graphics than the Genesis version but it's censored! What do I do?!"

Now we have people counting every stupid pixel in every screenshot to see if the way the light hits the texture is slightly different on Awesome System A or Awesome System B. As if our enjoyment of the game would somehow be stifled knowing that it doesn't run at Full and True HD, or that someone out there might be playing a slightly better version of the same game I'm playing and OMG that ruins the experience for me.
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Violater - 595 days 14 hours ago
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1.5 -
Ok there you go clearly the genesis version was better
lol
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tplarkin7 - 595 days 11 hours ago
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1.6 - @Silellak
The point of comparing consoles is important since the PS3 came out a year after the 360 and cost much more.

When the Xbox 1 came out, there was no doubt of the power compared to the PS2. Now, PS3 owners hope that their game matches the 360.

You can make all the excuses you want for PS3, but the fact remains that the 360 version runs at a higher resolution and faster framerate. It also had zero issues on Xbox Live.
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Silellak - 595 days 11 hours ago
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1.7 - @1.6
Why would I make excuses?

I don't even own a PS3.

I just think all 3 of the consoles of this generation are pretty swell, and that if it comes down to this sort of incredible nit-picking of graphics to try and find some little bit of difference, then as gamers we're all in pretty good shape.
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etownone - 595 days 10 hours ago
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1.8 - @ tplarkin7
completely agree!!

xbox 1 dominated over all multiplat games and it was always clearly evident. This should be the same for the ps3 since it was released a year later.

but, i still laugh when i think about all the sonyfans in full fanboy force the day the first review came out for GTA4. so many comments about the ps3 power and etc., etc., hahaha...
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Richdad - 595 days 10 hours ago
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Actually all data on 360 is stored in Ram first so that might be the reason of better frames since 360 is completly RAM dependent and PS3 Rockstar used HDD streaming for the purpose which made a latency.

But still not using HDD is a neagative sign but is causing profit here. You dont get virus if any, less glitch or freezing issues due to software.
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Proxy - 595 days 10 hours ago
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1.10 - PS3 was later, and more expensive.
But you got:

A game system.
A Blu-Ray player.
And reliable hardware.

Any two of those made the purchase worth it for me, and all three are even better.
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leeger - 595 days 16 hours ago
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if this gets approve then we will again see a start of another war. GTA4 is superior blah blah higher frame rate etc etc.
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Dareaver1 - 595 days 16 hours ago
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2.1 - @ above....
true, but i think that Eurogamer is a really good site, and i thought they deserved the right to further explain how they came to their conclusions. A lot of hardcore fans were trashing Eurogamer for their comparison, and i really do think that they do the best job out of all the sites that do these comparisons.

So I believe that their work should be acknowledged. They go through a lot to give these comparisons to us (gamers), and many gamers do find the information useful.

"Fanboys" ruin ever post on this site, that's a given. But should we stop learning about the new things going on, just to avoid them? I don't think so, that would give their voice too much power. I think the real gamers should be the ones with the voice, not "Fanboys".
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Condoleezza Rice - 595 days 15 hours ago
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3 - Oh boy
Here we go...again.

I think a lot of people still don't accept IGNs 'which version is superior' verdict,and 1Ups as well.
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Silellak - 595 days 14 hours ago
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Let me just preface this statement with the fact that I'm sick and tired of all these comparison articles and I think it's silly that people care about such miniscule, trivial differences.

That being said - at least this article uses technical observations for their results, instead of just "eyeballing it" like IGN and 1UP did.

But in the end, the real answer is, why do people actually CARE about these small differences? Just use this:


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jke82 - 595 days 14 hours ago
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3.2 - coulda sworn back in the days
of nintendos and segas and begining even ps1 that people really didnt give a crap about frame rates and all that garbage it was just mostly "hey check out that cool game awesome lets play it" and then all the fanboys came in and argued about it not being cool........wait that never happend....we just played em...huh glad im still doing things that way and not giveing a rats left nut that one can produce a better frame rate by 5 or 6 frames full well knowing that differences that small the HUMAN eye cant even percieve
btw love the flow chart silellak
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SUP3R - 595 days 14 hours ago
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I still happily play those NES, SNES, Genesis, pixelated PS1 and blocky N64 games. They're just as much fun now as they were over a decade ago. Graphics don't make gameplay. These sort of articles are solely meant to divide the fanatics and pit them against each other over nothing.
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Fishy Fingers - 595 days 15 hours ago
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WOW... Thought we might of had enough of these already? No?

All this childish squabbling just tarnishes GTA for me.
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PS360WII - 595 days 14 hours ago
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Well this settles everything ^.-
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niall77 - 595 days 14 hours ago
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6 - the 360s Frame rate seems to jump around from 30+ to low 20s
while the ps3 never jumps more then 6FPS

I dont care what you fan boys say I like a smooth frame rate of 25FPS then one jumping around losing 10 frames a sec at one point and not at another
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wicked - 595 days 14 hours ago
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360 never goes below 26, the PS3 drops to low 20s (23)
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jke82 - 595 days 14 hours ago
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6.2 - ok wicked i have the ps3 and the 360 versions ill tell ya what
ill fly ya over here we will sit my tvs side by side and play the game and the first person to spot a frame rate difference in the other persons game and have them point it out wins ok.....wait you cant tell anyway the differences are so miniscule that no person can tell the difference with out specialized HIGHLY SENSITIVE equipment soooo gee i guess the differences dont mean a damn thing and i guess these comparison articles are just ways for sites to get hits because they know fanboys will flock to them in droves...........
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DARK WITNESS - 595 days 13 hours ago
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6.3 -
well i have both virsions and if you want i will play you on both of them.

i do agree for the most part there is no difference, but i do see a big difference in frame rate. i am wondering if its just me. i have a 60gig ps3 and from what i have heard they seem to have more issues running the game then the 40gig ps3's.

i have not noticed any frame rate issues with the 360.

people really should just enjoy the game.. then again, most people have just been building a list of whats wrong with it instead.
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jke82 - 595 days 12 hours ago
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6.4 - i have a 60
havent had any issues and i havent even dld the patch for it yet but if ya think about it people in the heat of the game half through a mission being chased by the 5-0 one tire out blazeing down the street are you really sitting there saying man look at that frame rate drop (which you cant see anyway) or are you going AHHHH CRAP DAMN CAR AHHHHHHHHHH BOOM flames (insert retry mission noise here)
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i Shank u - 595 days 11 hours ago
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the human eye sees at what, 24 FPS? going below into the 23's could be make some frame-hitches noticeable. * woopeee !*
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SL1M DADDY - 595 days 14 hours ago
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7 - *yawn*
@ these stupid comparisons... Can we please stop approving them... PLEASE!
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solar - 595 days 14 hours ago
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weird. i thought the comparison horse was already beat to death. eh...::grabs bat::
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Fishy Fingers - 595 days 14 hours ago
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I lack a bat but I have a spare Amiga 500 I can use to beat the f***er down.
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Keowrath - 595 days 13 hours ago
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Zombie horse?

EDIT: well if you're gonna disagree, you could at least explain what type of horse it is.
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Jason 360 - 595 days 14 hours ago
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You know after the games were released it calls into question reviews and review scors of GT, 1up, and IGN. I have never trusted (((any))) review site that accepts ads from the same games and hardware they review. IMO believe it or not, I think the most honest reviews come from sites or mags that belong to a console. I read PSM (yeah I own a PS2, just don't like the PS3) OXM and gaming sites that are openly biased to a console, they give a more honest review IMO.

I prefer independent or user reviews, or I just write them myself. When I review a game, I'm not getting paid by anyone and I'm clear about which version I'm reviewing and believe it or not I don't bash in a review. Just look at GTA IV, by the reviews of the sites I mentioned above, we all assumed the PS3 version was light years better. When the games came out, the tables turned and ended up in favor of the 360. Look at Gamespot, IGN, GT, 1up, Gamepro, EGM, GameDaily, or Gamespy... they all reach a mass market and can pursuade gamers with false information.
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Superfragilistic - 595 days 14 hours ago
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I generally agree with all of you about the plethora of comparison articles, and yet of all those Eurogamer's is the only one based on a technical and scientific basis compared with the subjective eyes and videos of all the others.

In all honesty this is the only comparison out of all the ones published that's worth more than a spoon of salt! And yet it didn't affect my purchase. I bought the console version my friends were playing.
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SUP3R - 595 days 13 hours ago
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9.2 - I just don't like the PS3
Because it burned your village to the ground a kidnapped all your women and children?

As a gamer saying you hate a system is pretty stupid and immature.
I don't hate the 360, I just don't like how Microsoft dropped Xbox support and just ignored early customer complaints about the hardware failure issues.
If the new Jasper systems are a lot more stable I don't see a reason not to get one. There's nothing I don't like about the system really, I just don't like the bully management tactics behind it sometimes. Doesn't mean Sony isn't guilty of it either because they really make some idiotic comments and claims at times.
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Jason 360 - 595 days 13 hours ago
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I agree I may play around and bash in the open zone because it's fun, and my comments in the gamer zone are biased, read the bottem of my profile and you will know why. But... it doesnt take much to see that there is somthing wrong here, and these sites/mags are getting caught weekly now. People expect that because I'm an Xbox fanboy that I sould love EGM, I don't think so, they lie as much as Gamepro. Game Informer sin't to bad but they still fall in that catigory. What we need is a standard, no gaming or hardware ads in gaming mags/sites. Gaming is big buisness, I'm sure Coke, Pepsi, Hollywood, Comic Book, Music, Television, or any other company that sells a product can fill that void.
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Jason 360 - 595 days 13 hours ago
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9.4 - @SUP3R
"Yawn,,,
So...
Xbots have nothing else to turn to when bashing the PS3 but the installation process which actually benefits the game?
How weak and pathetic can you guys get??" http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

"LOL
I hope Sony launches a sort of PC vs Mac commercial
That would shut the 360 down with their GTAIV DLC ramblings." http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

" Hmmm...
DMC4 @ #1 for PS3 and #3 for 360??
I know a few xbots that won't be too happy about that." http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Dude don't come at me, if your going to be pulling the hypocrisy train behind you. Your just not good enough, 95% of all your comments are anti MS, you even talk about MS in Wii post. Try harder next time dude, don't try and come at me with this "As a gamer saying you hate a system is pretty stupid and immature" then turn right around and go negative MS in the rest of your ramblings. Now there mabe a few on ----> side that are stupid enough to think you legit, I on the other hand archive for a living, so be more carefull what you say. :)
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Superfragilistic - 595 days 13 hours ago
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9.5 - And I was just about to commend you both on such a civil conversation...
Seems like I was dreaming of a day when we just talked about games and not platforms. :(

Your advertising idea with games journalists though was thought provoking, if not unlikely. I agree that there are some alarming disparities between sites and games journalists when it comes to comparative articles. I have lost particular regard for IGN with their suspicious GTAIV exclusive and more recently GameTrailers with their GRiD debacle.

There should certainly be more disclosure about relationships and business dealings between games journalists and companies, because at the moment it feels that they are much too close for comfort and that their rights to speak freely are being curbed by commercial interests - look what happened to Jeff Gertsmann!
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SUP3R - 595 days 12 hours ago
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Open Zone
Open Zone
Open Zone
and honest truth, the lineup isn't as strong with only one outstanding title in '08 in my opinion. However if the Jasper is more reliable I'm picking one up along with all the hits of '07. Is that a problem?
Lastly I really think the Wii is dumb because it doesn't bring anything new into the new generation of gaming for me.
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Jason 360 - 595 days 11 hours ago
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9.7 - SUP3R Let me get this straight
You come at me with an attack, I turn it around on you, so now your going to cry foul, and "open zone open zone open zone"?

Please tell me you can actualy see the hypocrisy in that? I didn't come at you, you came at me, and I owned you.

I have 6 people on my ignore list, because I'm not a coward, and like to read what everyone has to say. So... you have to be pretty special to get on my ignore list, congrats you just made 7.
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SUP3R - 595 days 10 hours ago
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OMG!!
I'm on another ignore list?! NO!!! My life is OVER!

lol kids
Your ignore doesn't stop me from gaming or commenting so why should I care?
kthxbye
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solar - 595 days 9 hours ago
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n1 jason :D bubble for you my friend.

i agree a standard is lacking. and i agree that corporate money does weigh into how a game is reviewed. there is too much money to be lost by "insert_name.com" to completely trash a sponsor. sad..but true.
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Nunalho - 595 days 14 hours ago
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Will this end? people seem to have stop enjoying games and just like to make comparissons and complaints.
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testerg35 - 595 days 14 hours ago
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11 - Yes.. please stop
Please stop posting these.. don't want to see the same cut and paste by nasim again :)
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gamersday08 - 595 days 14 hours ago
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12 - Some people had too much free time.
We should go tell the guy to go get some real work done. We don't need him to prove the law of calculus the 13,000th time.
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Aquanox - 595 days 14 hours ago
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13 - Bottom Line
Bottom Line: Regardless of what version's look you prefer the most, there's one irrefutable difference that does affect your experience: GTA IV just runs smoother on the Xbox 360 compared to the PS3 version...

... add to this that if you really liked the game and finished it, you'd really not want to lose the downloadable episodes exclusively available the Xbox 360 this year.

It's now pretty clear what is the educated choice of the platform to play this game on.
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Silellak - 595 days 14 hours ago
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"It's now pretty clear what is the educated choice of the platform to play this game on."

The one your friends are playing? The one with the controller you like?
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Fishy Fingers - 595 days 14 hours ago
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I believe an educated man would just play the game/enjoy the game.
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Like Krakdol demonstrates, these comparisons no matter how accurate and provable will still not change anyones mind. They will continue to believe what they believe regardless if it's true or not.

As someone who has played both I am happy that I bought the 360 version and only rented the PS3.
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Skerj - 595 days 13 hours ago
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Wow by now you'd think people would just like. ..you know buy and play the game.
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Fishy Fingers - 595 days 13 hours ago
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What? Gamers don't play games, they argue over them.

Hold on... thats not right is it?
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Skerj - 595 days 13 hours ago
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Apparently we're wrong Fish and it IS more fun to argue over which game looks better even if you haven't bought it or have no intention on purchasing it. Silly me, silly me indeed.
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