Is GTA IV this Generation's Ocarina of Time?

Condoleezza Rice - 599 days 9 hours ago

yep ^

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The gaming GOD - 599 days 9 hours ago

Look at what happened to Jeff Grettsman when a review was honest.

They do have families to feed after all.

It's sad that you can't be honest without the risk of losing your job

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SlappingOysters - 599 days 9 hours ago

You just need to justify your opinion. Gertzman got sacked because cnet is a corporation, not a gaming site.

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The gaming GOD - 599 days 8 hours ago

But a lot of these gaming sites are indeed owned by higher corporations.

Just the way Gamespot is owned by Cnet. If you have an opinion that causes advertisement and/or spites your particular corporation's investors, the employee takes the brunt.

Grettsman justified and explained his reasons for Kane & Lynch's low score in great detail. Still got canned

And that's not the only problem.

If a game is hyped up, then it's EXPECTED to be good regardless of the reality of it being crap or not. If someone gave halo 3 like a 2 out of 10 then you better believe that person would get blacklisted

Same as if metal gear turned out crappy and someone gave it a 2 out of 10.

So it's not just the job security, it's also the fact of being "the guy" that gave "the greatest game ever" a poor score.

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SlappingOysters - 599 days 8 hours ago

I agree that Gertzman did jusiify his opinion and Kane & Lynch was crapola. I just wouldn't apply the advertising guides editorial thing across all sites.

That whole Gamespot thing was whack. I have no respect for them at all. To be honest I am surprised a site of that magnitude needs to care about one advertiser getting their feathers ruffled.

Off topic, but in my opinion it is in an advertisers best interests for the readers of a site to belive the editorial word, so they need to take a hit every now and again.

Sometimes though, publishers think they are onto a winner and there is kneejerk reaction when reviews come in and say.. hey this is not good.

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Bonsai1214 - 599 days 7 hours ago

no. just no. i might be overlooking a few, but the last great "classic" game that has come out was Shadow of the Colossus. something in the vein of timeless and epic.

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Jack Meahoffer - 599 days 1 hour ago

Oh Ocarina of Time is soooo great how dare they compare it to GTA IV?

Get off your broken down gimp horses. GTA IV owns any Zelda game ever created including Ocarina of Time. Go play your ocarinas while I jack your gimp horse, take your fuity flute and beat you with it.

Lame elitists...

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mc - 598 days 19 hours ago

here, here @ 1.8

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The gaming GOD - 599 days 8 hours ago

But that goes for any form of media

Just the way most of us of the 80's remember the transformers or voltron as being the greatest, by time kids get to our age, they'll be saying stuff like pokemon or naruto being the greatest.

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tweaker - 599 days 4 hours ago

You nailed it man. I totally agree with you. I feel San Andreas is still the best GTA game to date. It had all the bells and whistles to entertain you for a long time. Everything but the graphics and physics kills GTA4. BUT, San Andreas of its time was very stunning in the graphics dep. I thought we would never see such game as big as San Andreas on the PS2.

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jtucker78 - 599 days 2 hours ago

I agree with some of your sentiments, but disagree with others.

I think they needed to scale back GTA with GTA4 because of all the new tech processing behind the scenes. San Andreas was huge, but it was quite bare - I thought. I like that they've brought the size back in GTA4 and filled in all the bare areas of San Andreas.

To bring GTA4 into this generation they had to get all the current gen physics running, and I think it makes the experience richer as a whole.
I'd really had enough of canned animation last generation and in a huge sandbox game, where you don't have to follow a linear path, making things happen differently every time you play makes a big difference to the core experience.
There are elements I wish they'd kept from GTAs of old but there are plenty of others that improve upon the existing game (like the cell phone, shooting someone and watching their body react in a lifelike fashion)

I think they had no choice but to get the physics into GTA. We couldn't carry on with last gen technology forever. The euphoria integration will have taken months, hence forcing Rockstar to cut back the size of the game. So now that it's all been tested and it works Rockstar can spend more time adding content.
Think of GTA4 as this generations GTA3.
We'll get a Vice City equivalent and a San Andreas at some point.
Now that the tech is down expect the games to get a lot larger.
Rockstar have said themselves that DVD will be too small for GTA5.

Anyway. GTA4 beats them all, in my opinion, purely for the multiplayer.
Playing GTA with all your mates in the same game just can't be beaten. Genius.

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ikiru3385 - 598 days 23 hours ago

San Andreas was good, but it was too much. GTA4 is very polished. best in the gta series, i believe.

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fox02 - 599 days 4 hours ago

so true
bubbles up

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jtucker78 - 599 days 2 hours ago

I think you're wrong on GTA4 not being a masterpiece.
GTA4 has technical faults, but the reviews are rating the game purely on experience. Nothing to do with resolution.
GTA4 has great gameplay, graphics, music, story, just like OoT.

Look at Smash Brothers Brawl. It got rave reviews even though the graphics aren't very good and it's really last gen in the way it plays. BUT it's been rated purely on the gameplay experience.
Not resolution, tech, graphics...

Mass Effect. Rated very highly purely on gameplay even when textures load in as you play.

Reviewers only bring up resolution problems, technical problems when it detracts from the game as a whole. They don't necessarily make the game great.

With the advanced technology of the 360 and PS3 you are expected to add physics, AI and lighting textures etc to every game. It is much harder these days to develop a AAA game. All the developers say you need 4 times as many people working on a 360, PS3 game these days because of all the tech at your disposal.

Ocarina is amazing, but it is quite basic by modern game standards. When you kill a baddie he explodes and disappears. In a 360/PS3 game people expect the baddie to react using ragdoll physics, fly backward, collide with other objects in turn sending them flying.

Am I right in thinking you are a Wii owner?
A Wii is great fun, but if you have a friend with a 360 or a PS3, I'd seriously pop round to their house and check out GTA4.
In particular look at the richness of detail WITH draw distance.
Look how bodies react when you shoot them/ run them over /push past them.
That is something we have never had until this generation. This is breaking new ground. The sort of thing Nintendo did with OoT back in the day.
Ocarina had the draw distance, first third person game to use Z targeting. It pushed boundaries as well as being a great game. The things that GTA4 does in this generation.

Considering GTA4 gives such a rich experience AND is a great game at the same time. I'd say it's a masterpiece.

I agree with everyone that Ocarina was the better game. It was and still is KING. BUT GTA4 is pretty special too.

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tweaker - 599 days 4 hours ago

I really just want to see GTA: San Andreas with GTAIV's graphics and physics engine.

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mc - 598 days 19 hours ago

Thats interesting because generally i thought people thought that san andreas was a lesser game than vice city.

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criticalzero - 599 days 1 hour ago

The original Super Mario Bros. Kicks anyones ass!!! You fool!!!

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Gothdom - 599 days ago

someone that agrees with me!

I don't understand the big Ocarina of Time thing. It's nothing compared to the snes Zelda and the graphics were fugly. That fat fearie almost gave me nightmares. The story was just ok and Navi is more annoying than JarJar Binks.

I do agree, though, that we can't really compare GTAIV to OoT.

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BlaST_ProCesSiNG- - 599 days 6 hours ago

ur gonna get a lot of disagrees man

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SlappingOysters - 599 days 5 hours ago

was teh N64 a flop?

I thought it did pretty well

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n00bPwner - 599 days 4 hours ago

OoT "garbage"? LMFAO, u braindead piece of sh1t.

I sh1t diarrhea in your mouth.

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n00bPwner - 599 days 4 hours ago

Halo 3 an "average shooter"? You must be confused with Haze, Constipation 1 and 2, and Greyzone 2.

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