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10 Things That Suck About Grand Theft Auto IV

Chris Jensen of InfoAddict.com writes "With game reviewers still mopping up their collective ejaculate, you'd think GTA IV was the greatest game of all time. The amount of hyperbole showered on Rockstar's game was unparalleled, with nearly every critic unleashing a string of adjectives that cast GTA IV as the second coming of video gaming Christ. Once the initial euphoria of the graphics wears off, you soon realize that GTA IV doesn't evolve its inherent gameplay beyond that which has come before, and in a lot of respects, significantly less."

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dachiefsman - 606 days 9 hours ago

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I just got an idea to move traffic to my site...make an article about one of the following:

Sony Sucks
MS Sucks
Wii Sucks
MS will win the console war
Sony will win the console war

and last but not least GTA IV sucks

I don't understand these articles. No game is perfect, but this game is damn addicting. I haven't even thought about putting another game in my console since this game released.

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Tron - 606 days 8 hours ago

1.1 - well it works.

GTA4 is fun, don't get me wrong. I love running people over, pushing people into trains. But, he makes some good points. I just can't shake the feeling that i have done this before. I know some of the missions will copy from GTA to GTA but everything seems so similar. And the money complaint is spot on. R* needs to make sure LA Noire is different and fresh.

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cybervike - 606 days 8 hours ago

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It's very addicting I agree and I haven't played anything else since it came out but a fair number of reviews game this game a perfect score and I think these issues deserve to be brought to light because I'd have to say I've experienced some of them myself and it's an issue.

#1 - I agree..there is little value.
#5 - I miss the mini-missions but I don't mind the mini games either
#6 - This has happen to me more than a few times..frustrating
#8 - I just don't see the purpose anymore..becoming annoying.
#9 - I agree
#10 - Agree 200% with this one. I hate it when that happens.

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dachiefsman - 606 days 8 hours ago

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thanks for the disagrees....

"I just can't shake the feeling that i have done this before"

Well it is something you have done before especially if you played the previous GTAs, so why do people come back?

Cause it works...I know the game is not flawless and no I don't have my head up Rockstar's a**. The game to me delivered more positives than negatives. Granted my tendencies when playing a game are not overly critical unless the game is blatantly bad.

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Tron - 606 days 8 hours ago

1.4 - OK

Your right.. I think my expectations for this one were way to high.. This is the first year i have been online reading reviews on new games and systems so based off all those 10s I thought i would get something more.

The game is very good, and i will put lots of hrs into it. I just expected more.

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dachiefsman - 606 days 8 hours ago

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I can relate with yea Tron my feelings and expectations were high for another game Halo 3.

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LastDance - 605 days 16 hours ago

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i agree on everything he said. especialy the cover system is so frustrating. and on the contrary to what EVERY reviewer said, multiplayer felt very tacked on. Its a good game..but as soon as i started to do missions for a guy called (sigh) playboy...It was as if i was waiting for it to turn all GTA and get dull.

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Sonics020 - 606 days 8 hours ago

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Finally someone pointing out flaws in this game. It may be addicting but it does not make the game great. Likewise Cloverfield was very entertaining yet it did not win any prestigious movie awards and got rated as an average movie. Just because the game is addicting does not mean its a good game. I am glad someone finally pointed out the many flaws in this game. I do own the game and think it is a good game but to hear is the greatest game ever is just ridiculous.

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dachiefsman - 606 days 8 hours ago

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Please tell me another game that is not good that is addicting....

It doesn't make any sense.

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rhood022 - 606 days 8 hours ago

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@above

Just because its addicting doesn't mean its a perfect game or deserves a perfect score. In fact, the author of this article makes some valid points, yet his opinion is immediately questioned because he challenged the almighty GTA.

What about this article is unfair exactly? Or what is off base?

Sadly, this is the state of gaming today. Hype sells, plain and simple. This is especially true about legacy games like Zelda, Mario, Metal Gear, GTA, etc or games by respected developers.

People love these games or the love the games by these developers and immediately build up the game as perfect. Mass Effect, for example, in no way deserved its high scores. The story was amazing, but the game itself is seriously flawed developmentally. But because people loved KOTOR or Jade Empire, Mass Effect was an automatic winner.

GTA is no different and the author points out the game's significant short comings.

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dachiefsman - 606 days 8 hours ago

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Where did I say that addicting = perfect rating. I even said the game is not perfect in my first post.

I just don't understand why someone wouldn't have done an article like "The good and bad of GTA IV" instead of "10 reasons why gta sucks" see the difference, plus it is more balanced approach as well.

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Lumbo - 606 days 2 hours ago

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because the good points of GTA4 have already been told .. to death .
By most of the general video games "journalists" and "critics".

What you say is that its seemingly perfectly valid to praise the game putting a blanket over the shortcommings, but if you want to write something about the shortcomings you shall not, unless you point out all the good points again and again. Else you end up with flames from the insulted fanretards for daring to criticize the holy game.

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gabeh1018 - 606 days 8 hours ago

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well the article does have a point. I went out to the midnight pre-order sale last week and picked up my copy for PS3. You would think that because of the reviews this game is receiving it is some evolution in gaming, but it is simply not that.

Hell, I enjoy the game and I haven't sat in front of my tv since FF7 and played about 5-7 straight hours. But the game itself isn't really any different than GTA Vice City. It is fun as hell, has a great story, and is extremely addicting, but I think the praise is a little overboard.

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PoSTedUP - 606 days 8 hours ago

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that is true, i havent taken the game out yet, but what else is true is about the real estate, i havent gotten that far, but to hear that you cant buy another house is reel sh*ty. fu*k.....i meen why did they decide to take that away all of a sudden. i have dissagreed with every 1 else that talks about the driving, but this is some thing that i agree with, its still an awesome game, but why the houses? thats all im concerned about. everthing else is iight, i can deal with it

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The Closing - 606 days 8 hours ago

5 - Everything said in this article is true.

What's especially annoying is the broken cover system.

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Silellak - 606 days 8 hours ago

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Why does everyone hate the cover system so much?

For me, GTA4 is somewhere between Gears of War's cover's system (nearly perfect) and Rainbow 6: Vegas's (meh).

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The Closing - 606 days 7 hours ago

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I've yet to find a cover system worse than this. I had to constantly try to find positions that allowed me to shoot. Another cover system annoyance for example there was a bunch of blockades lined up touching one another, and I couldn't even move from one to the other. Ridiculous.

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gabeh1018 - 606 days 8 hours ago

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also, is it just me or do the graphics suck? I own the PS3 version and my friend has the 360 version, I have seen both and think they look identical and at the same time bland and horrible. I pop in assassins creed and I'm blown away at the difference. Also, most of the textures on the buildings and windows are like stickers. This seems like a game that could have been run on the sega dreamcast. Graphics aren't important to me, but everywhere I turn, articles are praising this game's graphics?!?!? If anything praise the euphoria engine.

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RSX - 606 days 8 hours ago

7 - Hate to admit it

But almost all of those points were spot on GTA IV is a good game but its not as great as i thought it was 5 minutes ago...I had to force myself to read this article -_-

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Silellak - 606 days 8 hours ago

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So your opinion of the game changed based on what some gaming website told you to think about it?

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Fishy Fingers - 606 days 8 hours ago

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and so the dissection begins. Games don't last long now huh.

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permutated - 606 days 8 hours ago

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Spot-on article. The perfect scores really should be revoked.

They really could have made this a "50 things that suck" since they forgot how awful the cars drive, how bad the lock on mechanics are, and how many weapons are missing.

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Silellak - 606 days 8 hours ago

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The car driving mechanics are a matter of personal taste. They don't "suck".

What's wrong with the lock-on system? Yeah, I still occasionally target the wrong person, but I also have FREE AIM, which is a huge step over other GTA's. This GTA made combat FUN - and that alone is a big deal. I rarely have fun with a sandbox game's combat system. It always feels watered down compared to a full-fledged action game. See: All other GTAs, Oblivion, Assassin's Creed, Saint's Row. GTA4 is the first time I've loved the combat in a sandbox game.

What weapons that the game NEEDS are really missing? Sure, the katana and chainsaw were fun, but do we really need them? We have all the important ones. The incredible physics when you fire an RPG make up for the loss of any other weapons.

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permutated - 606 days 8 hours ago

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The driving mechanics are awful man, seriously, they're too clunky and you spin out far too much at slow speeds. Even Crackdown had better shooting and driving mechanics, and the streets were roughly as tight-cornered.

Oh, and they're missing the Chainsaw, the Katana, and the Brass Knuckles...some of the greatest parts of other GTA games.

Sounds like you're still caught up in all this hype bull-sh!t so why don't you stay out of stories like these until you get your common sense back, hmm?

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Silellak - 606 days 7 hours ago

9.3 - @9.2

You're right. Because I disagree with you, I must:

1) Still be caught up in the hype

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2) Should not discuss GTA4.

You know what? Get over yourself. Your opinion isn't the only one. Sorry if I don't think a few melee weapons were the "best parts" of previous GTA4s, or if I think comparing the driving or combat in GTA4 to Crackdown's is laughable.

Crackdown was, for me, an average game, at best.

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Silellak - 606 days 8 hours ago

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Yup, game has flaws.

Doesn't make any less of an incredible game.

Even the best games have flaws. There is NO perfect game.

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kira989 - 606 days 7 hours ago

11 - LOL!!!

I guess its easier to defend "why [insert gamehere] sux" rather than "why [insert game here] rocks!"

If you like the game great!!!

But i think everyone kno already that its not perfect

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Retro-Virus - 606 days 7 hours ago

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I just hope that all gamers read this well written article.

He makes some stellar claims about GTA-IV and yet people claim he's trying to divert traffic to his site.

Talk about journalistic integrity ? Yup, how about IGN securing an exclusive review two days before the NDA or do you seriously believe no money was exchanged for a higher score ?

GTA-IV is the second coming of Christ but it does have flaws and no game deserves a 10.

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cokzilla23 - 606 days 7 hours ago

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trying to change clothes is so tedious in this game. for that reason i've only used 2 outfits so far. the one you start with and a suite.

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Tony Scarboni - 606 days 7 hours ago

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Congraglutaions R*, you made an adult game that only appeals to people with the maturity level of a 12 yr. old. Little kids can live out their adult fantasies. I'm an adult, if I want to drink or go to a strip club I don't turn on a videogame.

All technical aspects aside, GTA4 is just a glorified last-gen game. They have not only failed to innovate the gameplay, this game actually offers less to do than its predecessors.

I have a feeling that this has something to do w/ the limitations of the XBOX 360. The devs at R* have admitted themselves that GTA San Andreas actually had more content.

Now what has changed since then? Both games are held to the 7gb DVD standard. Fact of the matter is, it requires a hell of a lot more coding to achieve the improved Graphics, AI, and Physics so in turn this leaves less space for actual content.

360 owners can gloat all they want about DLC, but the truth is that if MS had enough foresight to address its lack of storage space then you would probably be getting that DLC with the initial game at no extra charge.

You children can disagree w/ me all you want but you wont come up with a better arguement.

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The Closing - 606 days 7 hours ago

14.1 - Exactly.

It's for kiddies who have that low mentality video game gangsta wannabe syndrome.

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Silellak - 606 days 7 hours ago

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Wow, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You know the DLC doesn't just appear out of thin air, right? They're STILL MAKING IT. Unless the game was going to be delayed another 4-6 months, it wasn't going to be part of the original disc - DVD space limitations aside.

Speaking of space limitations, DVD's hold 9 gigs, not 7.

Finally, the reason for a 'reduction' in content has to do with the fact that this is an entirely new engine. San Andreas was the third game to use the same engine, so by that time, Rockstar had to spend a lot less time on engine tweaking and could spend a lot more time on adding tons of features.

This is a next-gen game, with a new next-gen engine, and some things had to be sacrificed in order for the game to come out sometime before 2010. Did people REALLY expect all GTA games after San Andreas to continue to increase in size and feature numbers? Every generation typically requires a new engine - which requires subtantially more development time.

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Seriously, dude, get over yourself. To not like the game is perfectly fine. To insult people who do like it is just sad and pathetic.

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Luca Blight - 606 days 7 hours ago

14.3 - Tony...

You bring up a great point actually. I love how everyone is calling this an "adult" game when everything about it just screams teenage boy fantasy! I mean even the narrative feels like it was written by a 15 year old who wants to get laid way too bad.

That being said, I still really like the game (9/10 for me). I am just perplexed by the glut of perfect 10 scores for a game that obviously has its flaws (I can't believe a couple reviewers actually praised the voice acting too! I want to shoot myself in the head whenever I hear Manny [the streets!], Roman, Lil Jacob, Elizabeta, Mikael, etc... talk. Brucie, Player X, Duane and a couple others are alright).

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The Closing - 606 days 7 hours ago

14.4 - 14.2

Now try to rationalize that given the context of the game.

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allforcalisto - 606 days 6 hours ago

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y'know i've gotta agree.

they've gimped the driving.

flying out of your car as you crash into something is very annoying. Don't the cars have seat belts?

driving the motorbikes is a joke, crash ever so SLIGHTLY into anything BAM you fly off. It got ridiculous just now as i was playing it, my motorbike flies up lands on me and kills me.

there's no real sense of a universe anymore.

In san andreas you're impetus for travelling to the second island was awesome, and what you found there was also awesome. People in the game had aspirations that you cared about.

NO Planes

seriously the F***, i understand kinda why they didnt. But then don't have BIG passenger planes. I doubt people would get that pissy about fighter jets

Gangs

anyone who's played san andreas will remember how fun it was taking over territories. What i hoped was that they'd carry that on and make it even better.

weird stuff has been removed that makes no sense? where are the rampages? where are all the crazy weapons?

You can't have a fun "i'm gonna kill everything now" moments anymore. the police have gone crazy. and with the gimped way niko fires weapons in cars (on the 360 controller it takes AGES to start up a weapon

another thing they utterly raped the radar. When the police chase you the dots get crowded on the radar, and the flashing light just distracts and you can't see a damn thing.

Trading fun for realism has made the game a LOT less enjoyable than san andreas. i wish this gta 3.5 game came before san andreas. And san andreas was the next gen game. god that'd be awesome

lastly the voice acting and the characters + radio talk shows have all downgraded
remember the "welcome to the jungle" adverts for san andreas and it'll probably remind you why you really and truly prefer that.

DEFINITELY NOT 10/10
not by miles

I b*tch about it but i know i'm gonna put an hour in it right now lol

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Lumbo - 606 days 1 hour ago

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@Silellak
"Speaking of space limitations, DVD's hold 9 gigs, not 7"

check your facts, xbox360 DVD's hold a max of 7.4GB due to the added encryption that is the core of the nonworking copy protection.

and the Author makes some rather fitting claims. Money IS pointless, you can't spend as much as you earn. The socializing is an afterthought, at max. The clothing interface does suck. And the phantom traffic is a real pain.

The part he forgot is the forced mobile call feature that happens to kill you after several missions while people shoot at you and you are FORCED to walk unarmed while the retard on the phone talks and talks and talks .. "hi i did the mission *BANG ouch* and i thought i have a little chat with you *ouch* so ill walk in between the remaining gangsters and die .."

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BoneMagnus - 606 days 7 hours ago

15 - This guy actually makes some valid points...

But I still love the game and am having a blast playing it. I guess I'm satisfied with far too little...

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thehitman - 606 days 6 hours ago

16 - Actually

The he is right about the money part lol i got So much money but to spend it on what??? No places to buy etc. I spend most of my money on medical bills when I die then on things to buy.

Also the cover system couldve been slightly better letting you able to move around corners etc. you have to un cover then recover on the proper object kind of annoying when under heavy fire.

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Bits-N-Kibbles - 606 days 5 hours ago

17 - Actually decent articles and points

I wish i could do more with the money... buy a yacht or maybe get some people to do stuff for me and then I would pay them... i dunno... "i always need money" but where do i spend it... one thing possibly overlooked in GTA IV

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beavis4play - 606 days 4 hours ago

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this is a good game- but not as great as reviewers made it sound. it's fun, but still seems like just another GTA. i also don't like the fact that so many people are having freeze issues with it. that should never happen. (i might feel so-so about it because of the looming MGS4 release. i want that game so much more than this one.)

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shakka - 606 days 2 hours ago

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He makes some good points,the Clothing Interface is really annoying i also agree on the money thing but shooting,missions and story to me are great as it is this awesome game.

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harv052 - 606 days 1 hour ago

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As far as Taxi, Fire, police missions, real estate, side missions...DLC maybe?

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name - 605 days 19 hours ago

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You can actually do police missions. After you do a certain mission, get in a police car, press L1 and look at the crimes that are going on. You can choose which crimes you wanna go after.

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LevDog - 606 days 8 hours ago

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HAHA.. Prolly the best reasons on why GTA4 shouldnt be 10s across the board... Even tho thats not what the article is about..

I played 20 mins of single player and was bored to tears.. the only joy I find in this game is.. Multiplayer and only with my friends.. the best mode is GTA race with the scooter.. Other than that this game is Highly over rated..

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Kleptic - 606 days 4 hours ago

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I wouldn't say overrated...I wouldn't really know how to explain it though...

as far as ambitious games go...this tops the list...it has a more believable and realistic game environment than any other game to date...in that regard, its the best game ever made...

but its definitely not the most fun game ever made...it suffers from some things the past games did...missions can be tedious and monotonous...there is nothing worse than the feeling of 'i don't want to do this' when you are driving to your objective...

and the driving...while I understand its more realistic...and it doesn't bother me overall, I can see why it would bother some...it takes a really fast car for the game to be fun while driving...but there is a plethora of slow pos's everywhere that you end up jumping in in a pinch, and it sucks...

I totally agree with this guy about the money...that part really sucks...the money rewards for doing missions is pointless...and the story take FOREVER to unfold...leaving you with no real incentives to do the missions...thats a problem when there are hundreds of things to do other than the missions...

its not perfect...but there are some things that it does better than any other game ever made...and personally I like the online stuff, as well as the story...I find Niko one of the most charismatic protaganists so far in gaming...which is saying a lot...

the game may be slightly overrated...but only by a few points...I would give the game a 9.5 overall...and it would be one of a very few games at that score for me...but nothing yet is higher than that...

mgs4?...possibly...

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jinn - 606 days 4 hours ago

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the matchmaking system

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