PS3 Cell lets DICE push texture res "much higher"

sonarus - 599 days 12 hours ago

They are at a sony event, they are just trying to make sony look good. All of this is irrelevant unless ps3 version is lead

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Feihc Retsam - 599 days 12 hours ago

Does Mirror's Edge look like a free-running Time Crisis?

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joe382 - 598 days 18 hours ago

..WOW.

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Fishy Fingers - 599 days 15 hours ago

Certainly sounds that way. (kind of)

Seems now developers are getting their heads around the architecture they are starting to really enjoy working/playing with the PS3. With the 360 being so similar to the PC, code wise, the PS3 offers coders a new challenge, which many will simple reval in.

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TheIneffableBob - 599 days 12 hours ago

Considering DICE's history, I'd lean more towards the PC as the lead platform.

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Shadow Flare - 599 days 14 hours ago

well yes, you're right. Multiplatform games always look near identical. And its a shame because it would look better if the 360 wasn't holding the game back

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tokugawa - 599 days 14 hours ago

and the three fanboys who agreed with you must be devs too! because you obviously have inside and most probably info that's not widely talked about. plus, as most multi-platform games are superior on the 360, it makes you look like the know-nothing fanboy that you are.

bottom line, fanboys like you don't know what you are talking about. your sony love affair makes you blind to the truth. which is, both systems are pretty much equal. there won't be many massive differences in both.

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knoxin - 599 days 14 hours ago

It looks like you could be wrong there pushing all the diffrence each console has to offer

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"He added: "The other thing is the Cell really allows us to push the resolution of our textures much higher and we've taken full advantage of that as well. So there's a lot of little quirks to it that we really like and our engineers love as well as our designers."

"At DICE we have lead engineers on all of our major platforms and they're the ones who really architect it and say, you know what this is, what this platform is great for and this is how we're going to bring it out on it. I wouldn't say one's better than the other. Again they have different quirks. It's kind of like driving several different SUVs and saying one's better than the other."

But its sounds like there saying the PS3 is better, even at the London event as well he said we can use the power of the PS3 to bring are vision to life or somethiing like that

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Shadow Flare - 599 days 14 hours ago

No im not a developer, im the guy who's about to make you eat your hat

All i need to know is 360 = old, stock hardware with a dvd for storage space = Restrictive

We know its restrictive when Rockstar LAST GEN said "[talking about next gen consoles] I hope they don't go 'it's DVD again". And then Rockstar have recently said, 'It might not be possible to fit GTAV on the 360.' = Xbox 360 holds multiplatform games back

Why are most multiplatform games slightly superior on xbox 360? Because it's easier to program for, so most devs use it as the lead platform.

However many, many devs (aka. THIS article included) state the ps3 has incredible potential which is yet to be fully tapped. It's an incredibly powerful machine

But you make yourself look like you know nothing if you judge console power on multiplatform titles. It the AAA EXCLUSIVE titles you have to compare

And look at GT5, Killzone 2, Final Fantasy XIII, even the physics involved in LittleBigPlanet...360 have no games that touch these. I mean Killzone 2 is standing on Gears of War's head and kicking it black and blue.

GT5 is compared to real life itself, any 360 titles do that?

So here's a shocking fact for you tokugawa, PS3 is alot more powerful then Xbox 360. Just accept it. And if this game were to be full exclusive for ps3 and use the FULL power of the PS3 as compared to the full power of the 360, it would be ALOT better. Truth

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tokugawa - 599 days 13 hours ago

a system is not judged by the multi-platforms. you are correct. but as to the rest... well

360 old and restrictive ey...provide some evidence, R* managed to get it on a dvd9. it mite have to go two discs for the next one so what! the ps3 and 360 aint got many differences under the hood. the gpu is slightly better on the 360, they both have 512mb of ram. and the cell is pretty tasty by all accounts. but thats it.

gt5 compared to real life lol, i lost the tiny bit of respect i had for you with that ridiculous comment rite there.

ofcourse the ps3 has potential, and the 360 also. no console has been maxed in 2-3years. the longer devs have with said systems, the more they will get out of it. the same will apply for BOTH the ps3 and 360.

i'll give you a shocking fact shadow fanboy. the ps3 isn't alot more powerful than the 360. the delay in releasing the ps3 didn't enable sony to create an all conquering monster. the delay was purely for the blu-ray. the ps3 may be marginally more powerful, but there's nothing that really distinquishes yet, killzone2 looks lovely by the way, but i doubt that's not something the 360 could push. until there's hard evidence pointing elsewhere. i'll continue to label you and your peers...know-nothing fanboys.

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King_many_layers - 599 days 13 hours ago

I don't see a grand theft auto game ever going multi disc.

Could you imagine the annoyance that it would be. Also I can't see how on earth it could work.

if you had to change discs between the islands that would be a huge problem. how would it memorise exactly where you were if you changed disc ?? I can't see anyway that it could be possible for that to work.

Can you think of any way for a bigger GTA game to switch between DVD's ??
If it came down to that being the only option I think they would just say that it's not possible.

Also on note of Killzone 2. it would be very difficult for that to come onto the XBOX360 once again because of the disc size. The E3-07 level was over 2GB of data, where the level was all built up on Polygons. You'd have to have the game level made of all the polygons because otherwise the lighting system wouldn't work as it is supposed to. it needs surfaces for it to show on. I think that should fairly well be proof as I'm fairly sure that no developer would like to have more discs than Lost Oddysey ( spelling? )

if you know otherwise. Feel Free to state =)

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Shadow Flare - 599 days 12 hours ago

Moron, there have been many an article which consist basically of, GT5 car pics vs Real life car pics. You know what? Lots of people can't tell the difference.

GT5 also incorporates a form of ray-trace lighting, something the 360 could never do

Show me a game on the 360 that is as technically advanced as Killzone 2 is. Because that game uses so many techniques that make it look so incredibly real, and its thanks to what the ps3 can do and how much bluray can hold.

Show me a game on the 360 that can handle the amount of physics that LittleBigPlanet can. To quote MediaMolecule, they said 'you can just keep chucking stuff at the ps3 and it eats it all up'. Because the Cell Processor is built for crunching huge amounts of calculations

Anything inside the 360 used in supercomputers? Besides the fan? The cell processor is.

You act like xbox 360 and ps3 actually have the same amount of power. Smell some coffee, because they're so not. Already, ps3's exclusives like Uncharted and GT5P just look so much better then 360 exclusives. And the ps3 has far more leg room to grow then 360.

By the way, when you say "know-nothing fanboys", it makes you look reeeally stupid when you say things like "Well Rockstar will put GTAV on 2 discs then!". It's a sand-box game, it can't go on 2 discs you imbecile

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tokugawa - 599 days 11 hours ago

well will see what rockstar do with the next gta. multi-disc not possible? i would've thought one disc to load onto the hard-drive, and another to compliment the first. so you only ever play with one in the machine, the others is permanently loded onto the hard-drive.

what are all these techniques on killzone you are talking about? can you explain them? i know you think you have the knowledge of a dev, so let's hear all about them please.

and apart from fanboys, who cares about the physics in littlebigplanet? do you even know what the game is all about?

how much more powerful do you honestly think the ps3 is??

but everyone knows your full of sony fanboy sh!t, that's why 61 people ignore your sorry self.

people couldn't tel the difference between gtp pics and real life.lol man, were they blind, or partially sighted. some serious fanboy crap rite there.

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Shadow Flare - 599 days 11 hours ago

lol i beg you don't get pissed toguwaga. You know why 61 people ignore me? It's not cos i talk bs, because believe me, im not the one with the disagrees pal. Its because people like you don't like what i say. Plus i've been on this site since it was ps3today.com and im not conservative with my comments. And i guess people like you don't like that, but at least it looks like people agree with me. Sorry.

"well will see what rockstar do with the next gta. multi-disc not possible? i would've thought one disc to load onto the hard-drive, and another to compliment the first. so you only ever play with one in the machine, the others is permanently loded onto the hard-drive."

- Im not even going to reply to that garbage cos that comment = epic fail

The techniques in Killzone 2? Well you're right, im no developer. I just read articles that talk about these things. Now forgive me but i don't know the technical names for these but from what i can remember, Killzone 2 incorporates things like body reaction to whereever a soldier is shot, true focus blurring, advanced lighting mechanics, the animations of the soldiers are all seemlessly linked and created by motion capture, volumetric clouds. Honestly i cant remember it all, so why don't you watch a direct-feed HD video of Killzone 2 and name me a 360 title that has the production values of that game

"and apart from fanboys, who cares about the physics in littlebigplanet? do you even know what the game is all about?"

- yes i do know what the game is about and physics ARE the game you idiot. You create levels using the physics of objects to progress through the level, and the amount of physics the game can handle is something the 360 simply can't

How powerful do i think the ps3 is? In a sent, considerably more then the 360. And time will show that

And your last comment about GT5 just shows everybody that YOU are the fanboy. Can't you acknoledge the photo-realism of the cars in that game? Cos you must have been looking at some Forza 2 videos instead

Do me a favour, don't waste my time reading your crap cos, (the irony) you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. Especially that GTA V stuff lmao. Stop making yourself look stupid

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The Fungus - 599 days 10 hours ago

How exactly does your mind process things, Tokugawa? You continue to bring up shadow flares lack of technical knowledge to try and disprove his arguments, but what sort of degrees do you have? It takes just as much know-how to prove they are the same strength as it does to prove they are different strengths.

On top of that, the ps3 does undeniably have the better looking 1st party games RIGHT NOW. You are saying that the 360 can handle these, just like shadow flare is stating that he thinks the ps3 has more power and legroom. The only difference is that SF is referencing know articles and quotes from industry insiders that DO know what they are talking about.

RI-DI-CU-LOUS

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le killer - 599 days 10 hours ago

ah that explains why it's so unashamedly pro-sony, and full of fanboys.

shadowflare, the multi-disc gta what tokugawa is talking about, is although not ideal, a feasible option. microsoft will just say to hell with those that don't have hdd's and make it work any way you can rockstar.

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PLiPhaze - 599 days 10 hours ago

That's not a very bright comment, because if you were here last year this site was about 10x the opposite of what is now.

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cmrbe - 599 days 5 hours ago

You do know that the all x360 dosen't have standard Hard drives right?.

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cmrbe - 599 days 5 hours ago

You do know that not all x360 have standard Hard drives right?.

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King_many_layers - 599 days 3 hours ago

THANKYOU cmbre, glad you have sense too =)

and as Far as Killzone's techniques or production value or whatever.

hit response system= shoot an enemy in certain parts of a body and it will react in a specific way to that hit on the fly only to seemlessly transition into a death animation of many that there are, THEN it also seemlessly transitions into ragdoll physics.

Deffered rendering= Deffered rendering is the name of the lighting system they are using which has been said to reac to the polygons within the level, which also includes character models and their clothes, which are also polygonal.

Incredible physics= Look at the video presented at the conference and also look at the gamersyde video. The structures blowing into 100's of pieces look fantastic.

Post Processing= the way in which the effects such as the motion blur and the lighting is controlled as shown at the TGS 07 video.

Volumetric clouds= the smoke clouds created from grenades and such, we see these clouds shifted by an in game wind in the recent gameplay videos.

and a personal favourite of mine and many others. Some great looking blood, if you watch the videos you do see the great blood on enemys, it's merely harder to see because of the way the level is far more open plan so the enemys are much further away.

Sorry that's so off topic, I'm gonna leave this topic now =) just had to comment in reply to that post.

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Fishy Fingers - 599 days 14 hours ago

While I agree the slight differences do not effect the overall experience, for people like myself with all the systems it's nice to know which is "better" so I can buy it for that particular one.

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beans - 599 days 14 hours ago

But he's not saying which version is better but merely putting to rest the PS3 is impossible to get good results attitude thats been going on! Both console are good at different things but he is in no way saying the PS3 is the better console! I own all 3 also and will rely on exclusives to tell me which one seems to have the most potential!

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Fishy Fingers - 599 days 14 hours ago

Dude, where did I say he said "the PS3 is the better console"??

My comment was simply a generalization, I'm just saying if you own both systems of course you will want to purchase the "better" version for "X" console. So in that respect it IS useful to know which version is "superior".

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ericnellie - 599 days 13 hours ago

I see where you're coming from =)

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MaximusPrime - 599 days 14 hours ago

ok if this guy is at xbox 360, hes not allowed to talk about PS3's cell but talk about the game itself and what it involves.

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beans - 599 days 14 hours ago

Sure maybe in that aspect but who knows! We need to wait for the final product and not only judge it for one thing that stands out but feature for feature! These games are going to look exactly the same more then likely so let's quit the bragging arrogant attitude stuff and just be glad that this game is going to look good on PS3 and hopefully 360!

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JoelR - 599 days 13 hours ago

PS3 is designed at the base level as a Procedural Texture Streamer....
so yes HW does effect the result ^_-

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beans - 599 days 14 hours ago

Yes it does look gorgeous and reminds me of Breakdown on the original Xbox which by the way was a pretty good game!

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Ace Ventura - 599 days 13 hours ago

Stop whining loser. You don't own a PS3.

But PS3 is pwning the FLOPbox in sales. PS3 won by 100,000 just in one week...last week.

PS3 has a MUCH stronger CPU than the 3fixme and this has been said by EVERYONE. Becuase its the truth. Your just a tard.

This is why PS3 is now getting all the lead SKU's. By next year PS3 will be getting almost every lead SKU. Lucasarts, Epic, Midway...everyone.

Xbox 360 is a DUD. And even thouhg its as cheap and even cheaper than the Wii(In Europe)...the only console the Xbox 360 is competitive with is the PS2!!!

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gambare - 599 days 11 hours ago

It was DICE, unless you work for DICE then they are the liars

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Shadow Flare - 599 days 14 hours ago

...what a life story. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

did you have all that time to write that crap because your 360 red ringed? Maybe you typed all that crap into a message for one of your loser friends on LIVE and the 360 couldn't handle all the letters. KABBOOM!!!! LOL. It's like you're 5 letters into typing that BS and the 360 fan goes twice as loud to cool it down. lol, what an idiot

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Shadow Flare - 599 days 15 hours ago

agreed

It's like how Rockstar said 'it might not be possible to fit GTAV onto the 360'....crap, old, busted up, pseudo-hd system holding back the beast that is ps3, again

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Phil Harrison Mklll - 599 days 14 hours ago

yep. dont matter xFlop 360s days are numbered. then we can enjoy next-gen games just made for the ps3, like killzone 2 :P

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Fishy Fingers - 599 days 13 hours ago

Ummm you don't even mention the topic? Mirrors Edge.

Do you come here for news or just to shout, scream and try and recieve some attention?

You moan about "fanboys" yet look at yourself, ironic no?

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DomUltra - 599 days 11 hours ago

He's a retard from the inbred camp, would do you expect from him, he still hasn't stopped sending me love notes via private messages.

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gambare - 599 days 11 hours ago

PS3 version will be gimped thanks to the Xcrap but still the PS3 version will be superior

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Kleptic - 599 days 5 hours ago

um...no...

Killzone 2 is using the PS3 to its fullest...Killzone 2 will really be the first title to really show what the thing is capable of...and there currently isn't a game on any platform that looks anything like it...

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Tmac - 599 days 3 hours ago

Hate to be a know it all but the PS3 ram although independent is much faster than Xbox 360's shared ram and while true the Xbox 360's GPU is slightly stronger some how it is lagging behind in PS3 visuals, see Killzone 2 for confirmation.

In general, these people know more than you do.

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