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GTA IV has frame-rate and pop-up issues, says 1UP

According to a 1UP preview, GTA IV suffers from the same glitching and frame rate issues as its predecessors.

"You'll likely notice the same graphical 'quirks' that the series has dealt with since the jump to 3D. The same filmlike, grainy framerate exists and usually holds steady, but it can momentarily dip when things get frantic," the article says.

"There's some long-distance graphical fade-in as well as some street-level hazards that appear only after you hit them. Traffic will be nonexistent one second, then three cars deep when you rotate the camera back around, and then completely disappear when your wanted level gets to two or three stars (which is oh-so-fun when you desperately need a getaway vehicle)."

However, this time round, Rockstar has made attempts to veil them.

"But even these problems have been 'upgraded' in a sense for GTA4: An artistic application of filters hides some of the uglier character models, there's more types of cars to choose from, and overall, the feel of the city trumps any of the shortcomings we're familiar with by now. But you'll be able to see that in the screenshots and eventual videos."
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Previews: GTA IV - 1up.com | By: SPARTAAN
GTA IV : news about the fra... - ultimateps3.fr | By: Maxlen1
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SPARTAAN - 615 days 8 hours ago
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this is why no game should get 10/10 because no game is perfect but i think this game deserves a score between 9.5 to 9.8 and 9.9 should be given very rarely
havent played it yet so cant give it a exact score
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MURKERR - 615 days 8 hours ago
1.1 - @SPARTAAN,BUBBLES UP
how can any game recieve 10/10?

uncharted
halo3 got-graphics wernt great,640p
Bioshock-people complained about no online
mario galaxy

those games you could put in the 9/9.5 bracket which is an amazing score but to give a 10/10 thats pure hype and reviewers that do that should be ashamed,improvements can be made to any game
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Anego Montoya FTMFW - 615 days 6 hours ago
1.2 - 10/10
I just take them as a METAPHOR for a MUST-OWN.

I really CAN`T WAIT to see/hear/read the PS3 reviews. This could be interesting, to say the least.
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sonarus - 615 days 6 hours ago
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i have been complaining about the same thing as well. Once a game has hype these days, a 10/10 is given. Its just sad. When smaller games come out with the same frame rate issues, the game is far to unplayable and gets a 6.
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wageslave - 615 days 5 hours ago
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@ 1.1 MURKERR

oh! I see what you did there. Very clever. Lets play "one of those things is not like the others, one of those things does not belong."

Metacritic Review scores:

uncharted 88/100
halo3 93/100
Bioshock 96/100
mario galaxy 97/100

You're point was "hey, these games dont deserve all those excellent reviews". The problem is that Uncharted's reviews werent as good as the others by a long stretch. Its incredibly ironic.

@1.4
That review was posted in the PS3 section.

@1.5
You're offtopic. Reported as such. Nice FUD though.
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Varsarus - 615 days 5 hours ago
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@Wageslave

read this quote.

"And, oh yes, the shooting. Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view"

They reviewed the 360 version and copied it to the ps3 section.
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Amanosenpai - 615 days 5 hours ago
1.8 - Always pushing the bad things over the good ones
Thats not bad cause its (actually) the best way to solve mistakes in future titles.

The big deal here is that WE ALWAYS WANT MORE... and more... and more...

Then, Nothing is perfect ^_^
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Jinxstar - 615 days 5 hours ago
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You see though. 10 is an average. It also takes into account other things. you can't score more then a 10/10 for say "Plot" but maybe the reviewer wants to give it a 12/10... like extra credit. I think a game can get a 10/10 but it is very hard. It always says in the end "Not an average" Just an overall what they think its worth. its worth 65$/65$ I think thats what a 10/10 really means...
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thor - 615 days 4 hours ago
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10/10 is not perfect. Think of review scores this way: What do you think, say, the original half-life would score if it were released today? Based on graphics, it's poor. Based on gameplay, yes I know it innovated at the time but we've seen a lot of games like it since so if they first released half-life now it would be unoriginal. The score would be quite low I think. Review scores are just a guide as to the reviewer's opinion of

-Which games are better than which
-Which games you must play
-Which games you shouldn't waste your money on

There's a 10/10 score for a reason, and that's to make people think, "WOW I must get this game".
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SPARTAAN - 615 days 4 hours ago
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anything above 9.5 can be considered a must have and nowadays many mags and sites are giving away 10/10 even if the game has many flaws and the score of 10 should be reserved for those once in a life time games... just count how many games were given 10/10 and you will be surprised

some website went to the extent of giving SMG a 11/10 because well every hyped game that comes out gets a 10/10
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Mr Bun - 615 days 4 hours ago
1.12 - @ Anego Montoya
I killed your father...I am prepared to die.
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dan-boy - 615 days 4 hours ago
1.13 - the gamer
so you've played the ps3 version and the 360 version then???????? ofcourse you have'nt! so take your fanboyism to the open zone yeah!

with a game like this, some frame-rate and pop-up has gotta be expected! unless rockstar have made the greatest game engine of all time ofcourse! which clearly they have'nt. it still wont stop me and about 10il others buying this though.
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sonarus - 615 days 4 hours ago
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lol i'm sorry wageslave i hope i didn't hurt your feelings
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etownone - 615 days 2 hours ago
1.15 - @ wageslave
"oh! I see what you did there. Very clever. Lets play "one of those things is not like the others, one of those things does not belong."

good to see i'm not the only one that caught that!!
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NO_PUDding - 615 days 1 hour ago
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Nice avatar ^

Anyway, I think that Uncharted deserves as much recognition as Gears of War: Very little.

If anything it did more and looked better, so that's the proof. Although Uncharted had sucky gun play in comparison. Being a big camp man typical of UE3, always makes things better... hehehe. But it did genuinely have a more visceral feel.
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misterssippi - 614 days 23 hours ago
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@ Spartaan
How can you think it deserves a 9.8, like you said you haven't palyed it yet. I'll reserve judgement till it comes out. Too many folks thinking this game will be the next Jesus. In the long run it isn't offering any real innovation, Just kinda moving the Liberty City story line along. We'll see tho.
If reviewers were honest, games ratings would be considerably lower.
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Corrupt - 615 days 8 hours ago
2 - Seems like this is the 360 build.
"Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view."

I expect the PS3 version to be similar.
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green - 615 days 8 hours ago
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It is the 360 version that they are previewing.But i agree with Spartan.No game is perfect so a perfect score is not needed especially if the scoring is percentage based.

But why did they put the 360 preview in the PS3 section as well?Well it's 1UP.
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SPARTAAN - 615 days 8 hours ago
2.2 - @green
the same preview is in both the sections
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Corrupt - 615 days 8 hours ago
2.3 - No, it's the 360 version.
http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

It's just a copied preview for both platforms.
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green - 615 days 8 hours ago
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yes its true.But its a very complex world,so technicall issues are definately going to happen .

Anyway how come other sites that have previewed GTA4 failed to spot the issues?Even if they are not the final build they should still be reported so that it won't be so much off a shock when reviews come out.
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Corrupt - 615 days 8 hours ago
2.5 - Agreed, it is expected with games of such scales.
Personally, the Lazlow is one of my favourite parts of the latest GTA's (the rest is the icing on the cake) and not even frame rate issues will stop that man.

From what I've read, few have touched upon how it runs technically, they tend to spend all the review on the content.
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destroyah - 615 days 8 hours ago
2.6 - They previewed the 360 version.
And put the same preview in the PS3 section. Wow. This just goes to show you how truly biased 1up is. Trying to make people believe they actually previewed the PS3 version. Idiots.
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St0 - 615 days 7 hours ago
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Didn't the first review say the 360 was slightly worse with popup & framerate than the PS3?. Guess we'll just have to wait to find out since no other site has played the PS3 version yet
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Hatchetforce - 615 days 7 hours ago
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The practicing of doubling previews is common on many sites. IGN does it with videos and screens all the time. If you look at teh source on some of them you will get a laugh.

I would guess that Rockstar has put a lock on sites discussing quality differences until closer to release. Once that ban is lifted, you will see comparisons up the yingyang over which version is superior.
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TheExecutive - 615 days 6 hours ago
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every site has basically copied the 360 preview of this game and tacked it onto the ps3 site.

We actually dont know a whole lot about the ps3 version.

Does it have accomplishments?
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TrenchaunT - 615 days 6 hours ago
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The first review, in the Official Xbox Magazine, said that there was a little bit of texture pop-up, but it was very minimal. They didn't seem to think it was an issue at all, and did not mention cars appearing out of nowhere.

As long as it's a bit better than GTA3 was about it, I'll be happy.
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Genuine - 615 days 1 hour ago
2.11 - @ All of the whining ps3 fanboys
With approximately 90% of multi-plats performing better on the 360, would you really have felt better if they had a separate PREVIEW for the ps3 version?


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hydrog - 615 days 8 hours ago
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Well that does it, i'm cancelling my pre-order... :-)
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GutZ31 - 614 days 15 hours ago
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thats said, it shows that its under the PS3 preview, but its completely copy and pasted as the 360 review as well.

Check for your self:
PS3: http://www.1up.com/do/previ...
360: http://www.1up.com/do/previ...

The real question here is, what version was he "really" talking about.

On the last summery of the preview, this is said.

"And, oh yes, the shooting. Pulling the left trigger halfway on the 360 controller lets you aim a weapon freely, while a full pull locks on to the closest enemy or nonplayable character in your camera's view."

and thats on the PS3 and the 360 storys.
So there is actually no way to know what the hell hes really talking about, if he even played the 360 version all the way, or play the PS3 version at all.
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BLUR111 - 614 days 9 hours ago
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cancelling your pre-order? why? cuz what 1up says lol
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TheJBag - 615 days 8 hours ago
4 - great.
oh well what can you expect, it still will be one of the greatest games of 08.
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Corrupt - 615 days 8 hours ago
4.1 - No doubt.
These issues didn't stop the previous GTA's from being great. It won't be any different for this one.
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Pricey - 615 days 3 hours ago
4.2 - Mark it out of 1000
they should mark it out of 1000
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v1c1ous - 615 days 8 hours ago
5.1 - oh wow you played it?
pirate alert!
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tweaker - 615 days 8 hours ago
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No game is perfect man. Not even Tetris. lol
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Yi-Long - 615 days 7 hours ago
5.3 - Reallyyyyyyyyy....!?!?
....well... I never experienced framedrops on Tetris!

:P

Nah, ofcourse no game is 'perfect', yet that doesnt mean you cant give a 10. People value scores too much, take them too seriously.

The framedrops sound disappointing, and there arent many games that i personally would give a 10... but of other reviewers wanna give a 10, then that's their business.

Also, some sites dont use the point system, so 9 point 3, or 9 point 8, etc. So in those cases it's fully understandable that they give a 10 instead of 9.
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Exorgasm - 615 days 6 hours ago
5.4 - @5.2
I'm very surprised you didn't get more disagrees for suggesting Tetris is anything but perfect.
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green - 615 days 8 hours ago
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I will reserve my judgement for when more credible sites like IGN review it.
Reminds me when they said the 360 build of DMC4 was almost unplayable compared to the PS3 verison and they ended up being of the same high quality.
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Corrupt - 615 days 8 hours ago
6.1 - I think what your referring to
is when Shane (the 1up Sony fanboy) mentioned it (about DMC4). This is Andrew Pfister, so I expect it to be fairly credible.
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onyxbox - 615 days 3 hours ago
6.2 - ^^^^
It wasn't Shane.
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DivDee - 615 days 8 hours ago
7 - Doesn't matter
I was expecting these things anyway. I mean come oan, it's Rockstar lol.
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meepmoopmeep - 615 days 6 hours ago
7.1 - edit: this is meant for below comments
i agree, it has nothing to do with DVD9 at all.
it's the caching system.
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Exhaust - 615 days 7 hours ago
8.1 - Yeah because pop up and frame rate issues are caused by disk capacity not RAM...
Way to turn everything into a flame war.

There is no problem streaming enough data from the disk whether its DVD9 or Bluray. These issues have nothing to do with the disk and everything to do with lack of RAM.

The current generation consoles have very little RAM in comparison to even mid range PC's. Even with the extra overhead computer OS's require the extra RAM is needed for things like framerate slow downs.

But nice try. You may have failed but at least you successfully proved your blind emotional love for your console overrides your grasp of reality.

@8.2 If he said standard HDD that would be a different discussion. It sucks that the 360 doesn't have a HDD standard but this obviously has nothing to do with DVD9.
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