No 1080i in Uncharted PAL after all

Hapimeses - 714 days 2 hours ago

Yuppers. Those unfortunate souls with older tvs are looking at importing or suffering a lower res. Not an issue for me, but if it was, I'd be kinda upset about this.

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iMad - 714 days ago

This is a smart move from Sony to rise up NPD sales numbers :)))

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illizit - 713 days 21 hours ago

I really don't understand what the issue is! I have a 1080p screen however, if I go to system settings and uncheck 720p and leave only 1080i and 1080p checked then ALL my games automatically go to 1080p. This includes:

Ratchet
Uncharted
RFOM
WarHawk

Now, on my old TV that was only 1080i I only checked 1080i and all those games I just mentioned went to 1080i automatically. Try it for yourself.

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TheMART at Xboxkings - 714 days 2 hours ago

Is Uncharted tearing? Was playing it a friends place, looked allright although I expected it to look better. Tearing would be sh!tty though

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Equinoxe_7 - 714 days 2 hours ago

Hey mart long time :)

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Hapimeses - 714 days 2 hours ago

Contrary to the almost universal acclaim Uncharted seems to accrue, it does have screen tearing issues; not many, but they are there.

Yes, a great game, and one I enjoyed immensely, but not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Then again, I wasn't expecting it to be, unlike many others; it is Naughty Dog's first PS3 game, after all, and their first foray into the pulp/Tomb Raider genre.

Having completed it, I'm very, very keen to see how the next one turns out. A game of Uncharted's quality, but with all the wrinkles smoothed out, would be truly exceptional (especially if it were just a little longer), and I'm expecting nothing less from Uncharted 2.

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PirateThom - 714 days 1 hour ago

My PAL version has no tearing issues, in fact it runs perfectly.

Maybe the 1080i is the problem.

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Hapimeses - 714 days 1 hour ago

Well, perhaps I'm just unlucky, or just more discerning; who can be sure? Out of interest, what tv are you playing it on?

I'm running the PAL version on a Sony KDL-40X3500 (which, being Sony's big, bad boy, obviously renders 1080p).

:)

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PirateThom - 714 days 1 hour ago

It's possible it does have tearing and I haven't noticed. That said, I do tend to notice major flaws, so if it's minor, I won't. I'm not sure how bad it is in Uncharted.

My TV is a Toshiba 32C3030D, accepts up to 1080p input, but outputs max 1080i.

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ravinash - 714 days ago

Lucky the game play and story pulls you in enough that any screen tearing you hardly notice.

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Hapimeses - 714 days ago

Yeah, the screen tearing wasn't too common for me, but it was there. It generally only occured in larger environments, such as when you whip the camera about to view the vista around the U-boat in the jungle.

So, I can imagine many would miss it if not looking for it, but I'm a perfectionist, and always spot these things.

:)

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Equinoxe_7 - 714 days 2 hours ago

me too

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Hapimeses - 714 days 1 hour ago

I think you may have missed the point. The problem isn't that the game isn't in HD -- it is, it runs at 720p (and that's what it runs on my TV at). The problem is for the minority of PS3 owners with old 1080i sets (which are pretty rare in the PAL region, I hear), as they can only run the game at 480p.

So, to make that clear, if you have a last gen telly, you're screwed with the PAL version. So, we are still well within the 'hd era of gaming' as you described it, too far within, perhaps, as those with older set-ups may be left behind.

However, as others have made clear, as the PS3 has none of this region nonsense built into their games, you can just import the US version, which does support 1080i (presumably as there are far more 1080i sets in the US).

So, besides a small hassle for a small minority, this is really a non-issue. Of course, if it affected me, I'd be pissed! But, it doesn't, so I'm happy.

:D

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prowiew - 713 days 18 hours ago

@ happineses

Well said

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mighty_douche - 714 days 1 hour ago

i think your slightly over doing it.

Hardly any HDTV's in the EU are 1080i only, 99% support both 1080i and 720p (which looks better anyway)

For the few that have 1080i only sets they can easily import if from the US if they wish.

your making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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fermcr - 714 days ago

i expect to play it at 1080P... why the hell do i need a BRAVIA FULLHD if i don't have games 1080P

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predator - 714 days 1 hour ago

most tv's do yes, mine does to but i just run mine at 1080i for me it looks better

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Lumbo - 713 days 22 hours ago

The 1080i only problem hardly exist in Europe. All LCD/Plasma sets sold here accept 720p.

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mighty_douche - 714 days 1 hour ago

im sorry, but it really gets on my nerves when people say that^^, theres more difference between 720p/1080p than between standard tv and hd (480/720).

Do you ever wonder why PC games/monitor are small yet have much higher resolutions? try it now, half your monitor resolution and tell me there no difference and that on like a 17" screen.

i have a 24" 1080p monitor (1920x1080), which is the res i run games at (apart from crysis), now are you suggestting that if i reduce my res to 1024x720 i will see no difference??

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Hapimeses - 714 days ago

I completely agree with the ol' mighty-douche. The whole resolution thing seems to be played down a great deal by many, but the differences on screen, especially on a large screen (mine is 40") are not only noticable, they are very, very noticeable.

Personally, 720p looks pish on my tv when compared to 1080p, and 480p is just icky. The differences are remarkable. Perhaps some will be happy playing Uncharted at 480p instead of 720p, but I would not be -- and fortunately, I don't have to, as I have a 1080p tv, not a 1080i tv.

Really, have you sat down and compared resolutions at all? As mighty-douche asks, would you be happy playing PC games at 640x480 rather than 1024x720 or 1920x1080? And that is on a small screen -- on a bigger screen, the differences are more pronounced.

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ar - 714 days ago

A simple math example:
Let's take a 42" tv (a fairly standard size on tv:s today) and let's say you sit about 3.5 meters from it (fairly standard size living room). 42 divided by 3.5 gives 12. This is the ratio between the screen size and the distance from the screen. Larger screen and/or shorter distance gives higher ratio.
And now look at the computer screen. Take a 22" computer screen (most people I know today has about this size) and let's say you sit about half a meter from the screen (at least I do). 22 divided by 0.5 gives us a ratio of 44. Thats more than 3.5 times bigger ratio than the one to the normal sized tv in the normal sized living room. You see now how high resolution is so more important on a computer screen?
You can't just look at the screen size but also have to take the distance to the screen in the equation. There is a limit to how much details the human eye can pick up.

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mighty_douche - 714 days ago

you want simple math? ok, 1080p has TWICE the number of pixels compared to 720p.

right now open paint (nice and simple) zoom in so you see the pixels, ok, now draw a circle with 10 pixels.... now with 20....

i know thats very basic and crude but the principle is the same. more pixels more definition, it really is that simple.

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ar - 714 days ago

You're missing my point. The distance to the screen matters to.
To further elaborate on your paint example. Let's say you draw a circle with ten pixels and then scale it up to twice the size. Then draw a circle with twenty pixels. Put the two circles beside each other and slowly back away from your screen. After a while you won't notice any difference between the two.

And another thing to keep in mind is that the human eye has the ability to detect far more details in a still picture than in a movie. Something that would be detectable when still maybe aren't when things are starting to move.

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Lumbo - 713 days 21 hours ago

"Do you ever wonder why PC games/monitor are small yet have much higher resolutions?"

No, cause i know that it is because you sit very close to them.

As AR suggested, print a picture in 720p and one in 1080p and put them about 3-4 meters away from you, then try to make out any difference. It will be hard unless you have cybernetic eyes...

A nice readup on the topic is found here: http://www.audioholics.com/...

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ar - 713 days 20 hours ago

Yeah and then start moving the pictures around (primitive way of simulating a movie (-: ) and it will probably be even harder to spot the differences.

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ravinash - 714 days ago

Firstly - if you want true HD, then your going to need an HDMI cable.
Most Xboxs at at the moment don't even have a port.

Second, they could make the game in 1080 p or i or whatever, but they choose not to because it would delay release.

Third, I have an HDMI cable, so i get to enjoy it in all its glory...I thank you!

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kspraydad - 714 days ago

Please tell me how to become MS's biatch. It must be a wonderful thing seeing how in 4 hours you've done nothing but troll on about 'Jump In'.

How about you stick to commenting on your console of choice and staying out of threads that you have an obvious lack of knowledge about?

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bigshynepo - 713 days 22 hours ago

CoD4 and Halo 3 don't even run natively at 720P, how can you say the Xbox 360 is a real HD console? Two of the biggest games of the year and they aren't even real high definition. For crying out loud, they just started included HDMI w/xBox 260 a few months ago! Microsoft doesn't know anything when it comes to Full HD so I would quiet down before you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot.

This is a Euro issue only and it obviously doesn't affect very many people.

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Lumbo - 713 days 21 hours ago

Oh looky, another Zhuk clone .. Blak-Zhuk

Multiaccount trolling at its best .. *yawn*

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The realness - 713 days 21 hours ago

"how can you say the Xbox 360 is a real HD console?"

because regardless of two said games when hooked up via vga(which i use and i get 1080p on games like mass effect even if it is upscaled still does the job) or hd/av you will get you 720p/1080i.thats hd as far as i am concerned and i guess seing as that is what the manufacturers call HD i guess that makes it a fact.while i dont agree with blackzhuks overzealousness i also dont agree with you talking BS for the sake of arguing with your xbox equivelant.and the fact that you even mention the 360hdmi has got show you that you just pwned yourself

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Marceles - 713 days 21 hours ago

Yeah the US version is 720p. I guess the PAL version was rumored to get 1080i, but it's just been debunked. It doesn't matter though...720p looks better than 1080i on my TV.

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