Lair: This is How You Play The Game With Sixaxis

Gamers-creed:

"We are wondering how reviewers gave the game such low scores when all they had to do was, do what Lairplayer5 does in the video, which is relax and simply and gently move the controller in the appropriate direction.

We under the impression that, reviewers who reviewed this game were either in a rush to get the review out on time or just did not take their time in playing the game as Lair player5 demonstrates in the first segment of the video."

[TriggerHappy]

I think this is the reason why the scores at very mixed up. Am guessing reviewers that gave this game a high score took time to familiarize their selves with the controls of the game and were not in a rush to get the review out there

[Stella]

Oh please.

There never was any doubt Lair was going to get trashed by the little fanboys at review sites. This suggestion that somehow 'reviewers were rushed' or other crap is just inane.

Lair's controls are:

Tilt left and right to steer
One button for breath attack, one button for close attacks where you duke it out with the other dragon

And if you want to get 'fancy' you can do a snap forward to do a dash for speed and you can do a wrist snap up to do a 180 degree turn

That's it!

Lair got trash by fanboys as joke sites like EGM or 1Up because:

It is a 1080p graphically insane PS3 game
Makes it obvious that 25/50 gig games sizes are going to be common with its 4 gigs per level data sizes
It is a PS3 game with motion controls

Lair has the hate of both the Nintendo and Xbox rabid fanboy communities.

Great F-ing game. It's good to see the joke reviews of the game getting shown for the farce they are.

[Maddens Raiders]

with the mart-in and his son the dude on the loose your bound to hear an earful of reasons from NON PS3 players many reasons why this game SUX and of course they will give their anecdotal, ridiculous excuses why their brains aren't capable of using the sixaxis properly; and therefore know one elses should either.

Then again, these are the same people that send in broken consoles over and over again expecting different results. I can't wait to get back home to play this and Warhawk.

Nice find Merc.

[nasim]

i recommend this to all ps3 owners.

learning curve might vary from 2--6 hours but once you get a good grip on the controls there is nothing as pleasant LAIR

PSU termed its graphics as "UNRIVALLED and UNPARALELLED"

[TheSadTruth]

This is getting ridiculous... why are there so many idiots who refuse to actually read the ENTIRE reviews before assuming that the reviewers can't control well?

The problem isn't with flying, and it isn't with the first few levels, the horrible controls show their hard much later in the game when you have to do more complicated tasks with the piece of sh*t sixxaxis controller

showing a demonstration of flying, which was never why the game got reviewed poorly, and the second level, isn't going to change anything

just please give it up guys, Lair is not a good game

[Bathyj]

I wonder if most people even realise the EGM reviews and the 1up reviews were written by the same guy.

He wrote a rushed review of unfinished code for EGM, we ALL know that, and then wrote a review for 1up as if more reviews giving it EXACTLY the same score some how gave it credibility. Pathetic Crispin Boyer.

[MikeGdaGod]

i bought Lair yesterday just because you can play it on psp, but after playing for a while, its actaully not bad. but you have to really want to learn how to play. that means doing all the tutorials and practices.

i'm not a big fan of the motion controls at all, but after actually trying the game out and not being all upset about there not being an option to play with the sticks, i'm starting to really like it now and its alot of fun.

after reading all the reviews i figured they played through it quickly and were frustrated after a while like i was, THE FIRST DAY. today its whole lot better and now i'm enjoying it more. it just takes a lil time and effort. plus, if we really wanna take gaming to the next generation, we have to be willing to try new control scemes and not rely on the old way of playing (at least for one game, sony better not pull this sh!t again). and being able to play on psp is great just to show off to friends. i had everyone in the barborshop buggin when they saw it.

[InMyOpinion]

The response time looks awful. It takes almost a second for the dragon to react when he tilts the controller. I still think it looks like fun though. Once you get used to the controls it might be a blast. It's retarded that they did'nt implement control options that let you control the dragon with the analog sticks.

[TriggerHappy]

yeah the timing is a bit off but is really about patience . Look at how when you gently move the controller, the Dragon do exactly as you wishes but when you move it the controller in an uncalled for manner, look at how everthing goes crazy on screen.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

I don't see a plane unless its a jet fighter turning instantly

[InMyOpinion]

It's a sci-fi dragon game, not a flight simulator lol! When you play Wii sports it does'nt take 1 second before the tennis player swings his racket. He swings it simultaneously as you swing the Wii-mote, just as it should be. Intuitive and precise! This only looks half-a$$ed. Sorry if you can't take the criticism, but that's how I feel.

[TheExecutive]

Jenzo.... if i remember correctly the wii-mote and wii sports often gets confused when you swing the wii-mote around... in fact... I know it does because I own a wii. It is most noticable in golf, but there is a delay especially in boxing. Precise? I dont think so.

[Stella]

"The response time looks awful."

I don't what the hell you are talking about.

You tilt left, the dragon immediately turns left.
You tilt right, the dragon immediately turns right.

As anyone who actually has the game knows.

[scheme_a]

The guy who uploaded the video commented on youtube, and he said it's actually like Microsoft Flight Simulator. He seems to be an avid player of it, and that's why, he says, he is actually comfortable with its control.

And obviously, nobody complains to Microsoft for FS being so "slow."
It's just a difference of how game designers want you play.
I'm guessing they kind of wanted to simulate how a dragon can be controlled.
Not that they really know, but it makes sense if they model the movement based on real airplanes.

eiter way, i think it's a love it hate it kind of gameplay.

[gameforall]

you are riding a Dragon not flying a F16

[BlazeXXL]

I can still clearly remember that the developers (factor 5) said that it was their intention to make it feel like your riding a living and breathing creature.

Do you think a horse (just using it as an example, since a horse also has a lot of body weight and it got the same steering materials) would be able to turn around 180 degrees immediately?

I personally love this gameplay, reminds me of a flight simulator. And as far as I can tell, the reviewers are trying to play this game as a FPS (run and gun), that is not how the developers want you to play this game.

[TheSadTruth]

you Sony fanboys are getting sad

no, it shouldn't take 1 second for the dragon to BEING moving after you tilt, it should IMMEDIATE but can still be SLOW

Jenzo is right on the money, I feel sorry for you 12 year old kids who feel like they have an obligation to a video game console, because you DON'T, it's just a fuc*ing video game kiddies

[MikeGdaGod]

but when playin it in person its very accurate

it could be the setting he has on the motion sensor because you can adjust it.

[Blabbermouth]

The more I look at what people are saying that own the game, and the vid that are coming in, the more I'm thinking that the reviewers where wrong,and didn't bother to learn the motion controls or got payed off.

[InMyOpinion]

There's even video proof that clearly shows that the controls have latency problems, still you keep denying what most big video game sites have been claiming. I don't think IGN would use the word "Suxaxis" if Lair had functional and precise controls...

[DrWan]

Train ur pairs of surgical hands kids, be gentle is da key!

[Antan]

Its all well and good "flying" like that when theres nothing to fight, but what about when ur fighting in "dogfights" and you need quick turn times etc etc?

Edit-:

Thanks Blood, i didn`t watch all of it. It appears i have another Ignore on my list after this comment. Its strange how i asked a question and get 4 disagree`s and an ignore, no doubt from a PS3 fangirl thinking im an "Xbot". Nothing but neutral comments from me, won`t see me bashing like a dipstick.

[Blood_Spiller]

Watch the whole video, at the end he shows how it controls during a level with action going on.

[no_more_heroes]

like I thought it isn't as bad as everyone was making it out to be. Having to move the controller that slowly would probably feel kinda annoying in a fast action game like this though.

[Blabbermouth]

that the dev's wanted a more realistic movement of the dragon, just think about it. Imagine your riding a giant bat or a glider. you wouldn't be able to make sharp turns a-pon sharp turns instantly. Remember where talking about a dragon here that uses its wings to glide most of the time, plus you have to take into account something that heavy moving through the air.

If you look at the parts where hes only making a subtle movements you'll notice it looks quite responsive(which is most of the time). Even then, with the moves(dragon battles, 180 degree flips), it will definitely look to the watcher that there will be a delay, first you have to execute the movement,and then the game pro-forms the manoeuvre.

Also I think that the difference between analog stick and motion control is that there is a more leverage in movement between the two.

[spasticjustice]

I'm sorry, I just can't respect someones opinion when they say pro-forms, and manoeuvre. It's perform, and maneuver.....

[DrPirate]

Damn, I just brought the game back to the rental place.

I should give it a second shot. I was treating this game like an arcade flight combat game. Production values are still top notch, gameplay was a dismal failure mainly from the targeting system. I forgot completely you can hover...

[vitord1]

owned? lolol

[Pika-pie]

I havent played this yet but from what I can see from this video is there seems to be a slight delay. For example when he tilted the controller left it took about a second before the dragon moved that way, and so on.

[TheSadTruth]

apparently two kids don't agree with your comment, maybe they are blind? or suffer from some sort of mental handicap? Maybe that is why they don't notice this in the video?

[m9105826]

You can adjust the sensitivity in the options menu. It turns instantly for me. The only things I can think of are that he either a.) hasn't checked the menu, or b.) wanted it to look worse. I honestly hope its a.

[SofaKingReetodded]

I actually have the game and there is no lag in response to the controls.

[QuackPot]

If they didn't get six-axis to be as sensitive and responsive as Warhawk then they should have provided a fully functional analogue stick option. Commonsense really.

And again...

The ground battles are so boring. The dragon appears to be under no threat on the ground and is simply slaughtering the troops at will.....boring.

Where's the challenge in bashing and flaming troopers at will? There should be real risk involved when landing your dragon such as:

* getting a hail of arrows rain down on you OR
* being harpooned and roped by dragon Hunters(like the movie Dragon Heart) OR
* being bashed & wrestled to the your knees by giant trolls.

If you disagree with any of these improvements then you know nothing about great gameplay.

Blunders, blunders, blunders. This game could have been so much better if Factor 5 had taken their time and done their homework(watched and analyzed Dragon Heart, Reign of Fire, Lord of the Rings). Then they would have created something truly epic. But they haven't.

I'm a Sony fan through and through but I wouldn't even rent this game. I'll replace the dragons with fighters and play Warhawk instead - for my six-axis fix.

<edit>

I'm not actually a six-axis fan. I'm saying that six is implemented better in Warhawk and Lair is essentially a air combat game if you replace the dragons with fighters. If so, there are better games out there.

[Taker_129]

When you are on the gound you are constantly getting shot at by dragons flying above you it's insane.

[Ju]

I do not really agree to your Warhawk Six-Axis comment. I have played Warhawk at the E3-2006, and the current released version is a complete different game (which is sad, IMO). I do not see how the six axis works in Warhawk. If you quote game design issues, than I'd say they apply to Warhawk as well.

- changing control scheme: e.g. if the Warhawk is in hover mode or boost mode.
- six axis is global for ground vehicles and the warhawk. There is no setting
to just use it in flight or/and ground.

These are just to issues which screwed up six axis in Warhawk pretty badly. Maybe they work in dogfight mode, but nowehere else.

Sorry, that's IMO. I love Warhawk - and the only reason I don't have Lair yet, is, the mail was not fast enough (was sent on Friday)- and I had to waste my long weekend on Warhawk (or laying at the pool).

[ALMIGHTYPS3]

When you said the ground fighting was boring,I thought YOU ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME untill I read you wouldn't even rent it!Dude you sound like those xfanbots that are trashin KZ2 or HAZE just from watching a friggin YOUTUBE VIDEO! acting like they played the game already!(WE ALL KNOW THEY WANT TO).Come on man,at least try the game before giving an opinion like that,I plan to.PEACE

[QuackPot]

I did check out youtube gameplay vids, forums and various reviews of killzone and agreed completely with the reviewers that it was an average game - even though I had never purchased or played it.

I decided not to buy this game because of this judgement. However, eventually I did buy it due to the Killzone 2 hype as I needed to see what the problems with the original game were.

Having bought Killzone and played it to the end, my pre-judgement of the game was absolutely correct. It was a average game at best with obvious flaws.

Likewise with Lair, I challenge you to show me any gameplay - GAMEPLAY - which is next gen or just blows your mind. Yes there are some great graphics but just replace all the dragons with fighter planes and you are pretty much left with a typical air combat game - blow up that plane, boat or those troops on the ground.

Yes there a players of the game who say it's not as bad as the reviewers say, generously giving scores of 7-8/10 or saying you have to get use to the controllers or saying the graphics are spectacular. But where are their descriptions of the great gameplay?

Where's the the great gameplay? That's all I'm asking. Show me the gameplay videos like GT5, KZ2, UT3, CoD4, BF:BC, Uncharted, Bioshock, HS, R&C, MGS etc have ALL shown. And I have pre-judged them as being definite hits - games that I've never played by the way. And you're saying I'm wrong to prejudge?

Go figure.

[MarioFromTexas]

It's just take time to get used to a new control scheme that none of us has played before. Gameplay from that video looks fun and it's the story that normally keeps me hook to a game..Troll on xbots troll on

[paracardium]

Good to know just practice and move it slowly not like a wii mote lol. Excellent game. The reviewers were probably going fast and going this sucks it won't do what I want so give it low scores.

[replikka]

the response time is still delayed. i didnt see any good in that video. they should have just used the analog stick. not responsive enough for 60 dollars

[zigzag]

and all this time I taught the controlls were bad. I guess the people who gave it a bad score was playing it wrong.

[mariusmal]

if they cared to release a demo everyone would play and see for themselves. this way im not risking my hard wonned cash for a game that can be great or sucky. the first that makes me love or hate a game are the controls.

[Rageanitus]

That reacts fast when its a fast paced game..

But this game seems quite slow so I guess the controls will be ok.

It actually looks ok, but the community still demands a demo.

[zigzag]

is lair out yet

[Ju]

It looks everybody started selling since Friday, but the "official" release date is Tuesday (AFAIK).

[Real Gambler]

Best example being Blazing Angels. So it's not a question of hardware not being able to do it.

It's likely more a question of "Can you steer a few tons dragon on a dime?"

Now, if anybody who as flown a real dragon can answer this question, maybe we will find out that dragons do not turn on a dime, no matter how hard or nice you ask them to do it!

With all the bad reviews, this game went from buy to rent... I'll just make my own opinion from playing the game.

[Ju]

Blazing Angels...yes, that was the reason I bought it. But, the problem with that game is, it is 2nd WW. Means no lock on enemies (how could you justify that with a 2nd world for rigid mounted gun ?). So, it becomes harder in the advanced levels, but is a lot of fun. Eventually I switched back to stick mode, though. Its more precise. A lock on target could have helped a lot for that game. In that case, an exact control scheme wouldn't have been that important. Its really fun to fly the plane with motion on, its just the targeting system didn't work out that well for me.

[tehcellownu]

got to relax and be gentle to move your dragon..people who review this game didnt take time to learn to play lair

[Rama26285]

It's good to see that the controls can work if given the correct time to learn them properly. I still think they should release a patch to make using the sixaxis motion control optional - they would completely open up the market then. I'm positive it'd sell much more if they did that.

[cdawson]

For the future of the PS3 developers just have to can the whole idea of using the sixaxis controls, they are a piss poor excuse for motion control and IMO would turn alot of people off from playing PS3 games if more of them decide to use controls like Lair.
However given the Lair reviews i'm sure there are alot of developers that won't even touch the sixaxis controls with a 10 foot pole now.
The sixaxis is just not responsive enough to use as the primary control for a game, Factor 5 shot themselves in the foot in deciding to use it.
IMO I won't even buy Lair now, it's gonna be a rent based on this video alone, the controls just aren't responsive enough.
I can see the controls getting extremely frustrating when the gameplay gets really frantic.

[Taker_129]

If the gaming business was controlled by people like you, there would never be any inovations in gaming. That's why Microsoft will fail this generation just like they did the last. Sony and Nintendo are trying new things, using new technology while microsoft is trying to steal playstation 2 software. I know it harsh, but it's so true.

[ParaDise_LosT]

They're showing us HOW to play?
But I though even a grandma can pick this game up and play it?...

[Mars Attacker]

LOL! Relax while playing a video game. Yeah right!

The sixaxis is a disaster. Give me an analog stick with rumble and I might be interested in the game.

[BlazeXXL]

I just bought it yesterday. I'm at level 5 now, and gosh does it look great on my HDTV. But ofcourse, it's not only about the graphics.

Seeing as you xbots are trying to completely thrash this game by saying it has lame controls makes me laugh. It only shows how much xbox 360 games are alike. (dunno about you, but I prefer something different every once and awhile)

The game is great, but I do admit, there are some flaws. For example, the camera work could use some work when moving really fast. But hey, every game got some flaws, right?

[Charlie2688]

This video pretty much explains GameSpot score, but in case you wonder "Charlie what do you mean?"

Go to GS look for the video section look for the show On the Spot, look for one of the latest show featuring Lair look at Kevin (the reviewer) play the game...

yeah...there you go

[Real Gambler]

This guy is flowing under a bridge (just enough space for the dragon...), he is targeting multiple ground targets one after the other, and doesn't miss. Multiple take-off and easy landing. And those are really long sequence, not just "the best of".... In fact, this guy make it look easy.

Basically, he is flying his dragon as well as I can fly an airplaine is Blazing Angel... Well, maybe I crash more!!!

After seeing the video, you're really wondering what the "problem" is with the reviewers! I guess they will have to issue a patch to allow joystick play for those poor fellows : )

[stingray9191]

looks like the controls suck to me I would rather play crimson skies on the original xbox at least you could have fast paced air battles unlike this sluggish POS

[xaphanze]

is this game selling well?

[liquidbreeze]

First off I own a 360 and a PS3, like them both.

I was really hesitant to buy this game. I personally think the sixaxis is perfect for the game, the response is excellent for the normal functions. When you have to do a 180 turn or land those are a little harder and are easy to screw up, but if you practice can be pretty easy. The biggest problem I have with the game is the framerate drops, when breathing fire on another dragon, when ships blow up, while it does not make the game unplayable, it is very annoying and disappointing. The targeting system could be better and yes the camera can get a little whacky. The graphics are pretty good, except for the flying tutorials (dunno what is up with that cause the rest of the game looks good). But the game is fun, it is not great, but good. If you are like me and wanted this game before, then were turned off by the reviews, I would definitely give it a rent if not a buy, you will most likely like it, IMHO. Don't have have AAA expectations for it, because it is not AAA. I hope they (Factor5) get a chance to make a sequel because even for its flaws has many moments of brilliance, and could be AAA with a few fixes.

[InLus]

Well I found out recently that I was able to use the PSP in remote play to play LAIR and guess what? Its a fine example of how boring and "NOT" innovative it would of been using the analog sticks. Even though I only had one analog stick but still it gives you the idea of how bland the game would of been, people do you think that Factor 5 didn't like the sixaxis at first but in the developer's video they said after time the whole studio fell in love using the motion control. I think by using the motion control you bring a whole new level of gameplay that no one has seen in a game.

PS-nice video showing how stupid these gaming websites and magazines, including the so called PlayStation websites and magazines, really are.

[PimpHandHappy]

Half the ppl on this site couldnt relax even if they had Jessica Alba sitting next to them!

well bad example because i dont think i would be able to relax with that flamin hottie next to me.

This is why reviews should just give u insight into what ur going to rent or buy. You dont know the guy who reviewed it and you dont know if he really took his time to check it out and RELAX. I can picture some guy like "i have 2days to get this review in"

I will rent this game. I wont buy three games in three weeks ever so this one will be but on the rental list. Warhawk and HS will be part of my collection for a very long time! Well Warhawk for sure. HS sword i plan on playing twice atleast then when im done it goes to my game store for a trade in on my next game. Whatever that will be.

peace

[cdawson]

Taker_129 - There is nothing wrong with innovation, but to force feed something so imprecise and buggy down the throats of the consumer is not only biting the hand that feeds you it's also causing the consumer to lose trust in your media.
I own Lair (it was release at some EB games stores a few days early in canada), and it's pretty much the farthest thing from innovation you can get.
The sixaxis is a joke, and so far I have seen nothing to suggest otherwise. With Lair and warhawk being the first real tests of the Sixaxis they certainly didn't take it very seriously because if I was a developer I would axe any plans to use sixaxis as my control scheme.
The PS3's controller for one is just not adept at being a motion controller in the first place.
If Lair were done on the Wii w/ wii-mote people would be raving about it, because it's meant for motion controlling.
Some of you fanboys out there will sit idly by while sony forces this crap on us, but the gamer in general won't react well to anymore crap games with the sixaxis.
It was obviously a gut reaction to the wii's motion controls, which IMO is done right - just look at Wii sports, and MP3.
They need to leave the motion controlling to nintendo, cut their losses and get back to rumble.

[Ju]

Yeah, I agree. If that would be on the Wii it would be the greates and what not.

So, well, I have to say it, that Wiimote is just such a pile of crap its unbelievable and a sign what good hype can do. What's that story with Wii sports ? That's one my worst experiences I ever had. The tennis game doesn't even allow you to run left and right. The motion control is completely unusable, uncontrollable. Want to play a slice ? Yeah, right. Topspin ? What's that. The lag is undescribeable , no precision what so ever. Compared to that, the Sixaxis is and instrument of high precision. I am serious. So, now, there I said it. I am so fed up with this biased bullcrap all the time. Number in sales != quality titles. That's just what it is...(and I didn't even mention the visual aspect of that game! That would cost me another page here, I'd guess).
And still, Pokemon Battle Revolution and Metroid 3 would sell me a Wii.

But the same people hyping the Wii bash that game. Well, well...

[ShiftyLookingCow]

Relax........ it reminds me of Zoolander

[liquidbreeze]

For the ground combat is pretty cool, gettin to torch hundreds of soldiers, rhinos catapults is pretty damn fun. The missions to me are not repetitive, as you have different scenarios objectives in each one. The scale on the game is pretty awesome, the bridge level is an example with the thousands of soldiers and fighting, with dragons flying and rhinos running around, catapults, it is pretty cool. Of course there are some framerate drops in there too :) Lots of stuff going on for sure.

[DJ]

that the dragon didn't turn instantaneously with the controller. Polyphony got the same kind of flack for letting players control the driver of the motorcycle rather than the motorcycle directly. Same concept applies here. You're controlling Rohn, who in turn controls the dragon.

The big gripe of course is that there isn't an option for how much lag-time there is in the game, and I think that's why impatient reviewers are getting so pissy.

[liquidbreeze]

Man this is gettin kind of funny.. haha Funny how mad everyone gets and how opinionated people are, whether you have the game or not. It really boils down to if you hated this game before all of this you will always hate it for whatever reason. If you thought this game would be cool, give it a try, rent or whatever, and see what you think for yourself. The sixaxis can be very fun, it is for me at least. I have never seen so many reviews be so high or so low.

[shysun]

It's just one of those games,some will like it some will hate it.

[fredy]

That was too over-hyped and did not deliver on all fronts.

Graphics were straight, but that's expected.

Every Ps3 game seems to put graphics first, then blame reviews when they criticize the total package.

Continue to point the fingers at professional reviewers, while hinting at conspiracies. Oh yeah that will help, whatever makes you sleep.

Bunch of Sorry @sses

[--Onilink--]

Oh c'mon people, why cant u admit the game isnt good??, its not the same as saying the DRAGON TURNS SLOW as to say THE GAME IS SLOW TO PICK UP WHAT U ARE DOING WITH THE CONTROLLER, its just a lack of time for the developers simple as that. Even while watching the video its pretty obvious the delay it has, and it shouldnt have it. If u people actually read the reviews instead of watching the scores u would see that the places where the controller really fails, is in close fights in later levels, not those large open places with nothing on the sky.

And finally, u have to stop with this nonsense about the reviewers playing it in a rush and scoring the game wrong. If they work for a PS3 mag or site,they are PS3 fanboys, or at least they like the PS3 a lot, so im sure they were hoping that Lair was gonna be awesome aswell. They actually have PS3's and play games,and they want them to be good, its not just u people.....

[CrazzyMan]

so reviewing it like a standart game, you won`t get nothing good.
lair is game for more then just "play 8-10h and forget", that`s why, if you won`t treat this game like something more, you won`t get FUN.

[IPlayGames]

Next year during the calm be4 MGS and GTA

[Genki]

It seems as though some people WANT this game to be bad. I'm seeing people with contempt for this guy just because he got a grip on the controls, as if it's SUPPOSED to be impossible.

Seems most people are going into this game as if it's twitchy like Panzer Dragoon(classic series btw), when it seems that it calls for a more calculated and methodical type of gamer.

I like his comparison to MS Flight Simulator sounds about right. If you think of it that way, big things can't exactly turn on a dime. DJ makes an excellent point as well in that you're controlling Rohn, meaning when you tilt, you're pulling the reins which in turn pulls the dragon.

[--Onilink--]

Lair is exactly as any other game.... just look at other flying games and you will see that the gameplay didnt come out as people expected.

I dont understand why people cant accept when a game doesnt live up to the expectation, its not even a PS3 only thing, just look at Red Steel for the Wii, the game looked great ON PAPER, but once it came out, it was the crappy gameplay that killed that game (in reviews), but at that time i dont remember seeing a bunch of Wii-fanboys crying all over the internet about some crazy reviewers global conspiracy to kill the ps3...
Its exactly the same case, game looked great on paper, gameplay killed it... just wait for Lair 2 to fix up the isuess and stop crying.

and for the record, i DO have a PS3 and i DO OWN Lair

[LeShin]

You're entitled to your opinion if you thought the gameplay was crap. Just as the people at Gamers Creed and that guy in the video reckon it's good. That's the problem with some people, they look at a review as gospel when it's just an opinion. If I let review scores be my guide there would be a LOT of great games I wouldn't have in my collection.
The only thing I think I might have a problem with are the frame drops I'm hearing about. Let's hope they're aren't too many of them.

[LeShin]

The only thing that bothers me is when people who don't even own the game or EVEN a bloody PS3 decide to go bash it. For what? To make yourself feel better?

lol fanboys, who'll have 'em?.......
I don't own it yet as it isn't out in the UK, but that video looks very promising. I like playing something different and as long as the're are people out there that have no problems with the controls, then why should I.

I was nervous about using the sixaxis in Warhawk in dogfight deathmatches, but after a tutorial from one of my friends, I was dodging missile locks like a devil :)

[TitanUp]

this looks a lot like drakengard and i love those games so im gonna get this one. some people like it some people dont thats how it is with everything.

[IRONMAN_357X]

xboxking dot com, XD, classic

THIS GAME IS HERE TO STAY get use to it

It got low scores from xbots on 1up and EGM and they suck

It got a four because IGN sucked with sixaxis and even admitted it

Why cant xbots admit another good game on ps3 that they bash, whats next, Ratchet5 isnt real at all, XD, come on give me a break

[Cartesian3D]

its true...this game is really awesome.. and low scores arent fair...this game deserves atleast 8 and in my opinion its 9 .

hope to see more Pro reviewers, who plays the game more than several Hours and dont say BS after playin about 15 minuts...

anyway as I said before, Good Job Factor5 , Im sure Lair 2 will be almost perfrect(without any framerate drops, and with multiplayer section and Online battles ) AND will use Sixaxis for sure (more popular than now )

[--Onilink--]

In my opinion, the reason the game got low scores because of gameplay, its because all games should be playable perfectly by EVERYONE, not just a part of the gamers, and Factor 5 failed to deliver that, probably a time factor, and also i dont really see any excuse for not implementing analog controls.

And to ironman_357X, no one is saying the game is going anywhere, Red Steel is one of the top selling 3rd party games on wii and it scored really low, and so it will do lair, why???, because aside from the gameplay issues, its a great game, it has good graphics, music, and a really appealing concept. Anyone who would actually read the WHOLE reviews should be able to see that, and buy the game if they can take up some of the isuess it has, after all, they are not life or death problems that justify skipping a good game. (i would personally rent it 1st and if u enjoy it, go ahead and buy it, its a good game)

[Infernus]

You just have to learn how to play it. The thing is no one seems to want to learn things anymore. They just want to pick up a game and become the god of that game in the first few moments. Lair is something new and if you don't have the brain power to learn something new then that's just plain sad.

For example, all FPS games are pretty much identical with the control schemes and are easy to pick up and play because everyone knows the controls from previous FPS's. Along comes Lair, a new breed of game using the sixaxis functionality to fly a dragon and people don't like the fact that they can't use the sticks to fly it... Don't you see what's happening here? Same old, same old. We need new types of games and from what I see it's only the PS3 and Wii delivering on that front, the 360 is stuck lacking innovation. Bioshock (FPS), Halo 3 (FPS), Gears of War (3rdPS); all the big games have been based around the same style of gameplay, it shows the 360 in a bad light.

Lair is hard to master, but you have to be willing to take your time and learn how to fly a dragon...

[TheXgamerLive]

Someone had to put out a "how to" video on using the controller? This is truly fukcing pathetic.

Sony, again 0 and 4. When will sony have a truly great game. The only noteworthy games so far are Xbox 360 ports.

[Cartesian3D]

Welcome to many IGNORE listS...

such an idiot.... u know what? keep your 360 in a Cool place .. and be Carefull , your day is commin soon.. u will buy 360 many times in future. may be buy 360 for every good game ( one for Halo,one for mass effect.. and so on).... just keep spaming.. I wont see your comments anymore..

[Blabbermouth]

is this pathetic? It just shows everyone that the controls arn't as bad as the reviewers made them out to be.

I think for this game it just proves that because the motion control is a new thing that it has a bit of learning curve to it. And that you have to take the time to get used to it. Just like any new control scheme.

[mrlakadaddy]

im not too smart....but doesnt gamefaqs have how to's....does that mean because the faqs that explain how to play the games are ummm because the game is bad??? enlighten me because it seems you rather have something like geico...even a caveman can do it...be a real gamer and give things a chance everyone has thier preferences and games that they are better at..gamers never used to have problems on what game or what system was better...as a matter of fact i used to go to my friends house to play his colecovision when he had a new game and he would come and play my nintendo...but i guess fun is too old school...game on!!!!

[IRONMAN_357X]

The red light is when the cable slips out

[paracardium]

Your controling the dragon rider which controls the dragon I'm just glad its 1 sec delay for dragon to respond..Good game. Take 1 second for dragon rider to control the dragon is pretty good.

[Figboy]

is this thread *FILLED with so many people that don't even *OWN a PS3, and have not even *TOUCHED Lair?

i own the game.

it is not a 8, 9, or 10 game.

i think it's a 7 at the most.

i agree, the video seems to have some visual lag, but i honestly never noticed it when playing.

from my experiences, when i move left, the dragon moves left. immediately.

the guy in the video plays it a lot like i do, but it does get frustrating in later levels, when you have to do a lot of things quickly, and you aren't exactly certain what it is (even with the R3 button pressed for objectives, the next task is to actually *FIND the objective, and if the level is as expansive as most of the levels in Lair are, you can easily get lost. Rage Vison helps, but it's not perfect).

the game is fun, especially after you familiarize yourself with the controls.

playing the game like a spastic monkey will *NOT help you at all.

this game is *NOT Warhawk. your dragon is not a ship, and feels like i'd expect a living creature weighing in at practically a ton to feel while flying.

the main problem with Lair, is frustrating objectives.

there's a mission later on, where you have to help your troops trapped on a slope, destroy incoming boats that reign arrows down on said troops, destroy warbeasts firing arrows at you, fight off enemy dragons, destroy a gigantic Manta that comes to drop bombs on your troops, *AND destroy a dam.

if you don't have a grasp of the controls by that mission, it is *TERRIBLY FRUSTRATING.

this is a game where, the more you play, the *BETTER you get at controlling the dragon. the better you get at controlling the dragon, the *EASIER multi-objective missions become.

i repeated that damn, slope, warbeast, manta, boat, damn, dragon mission so many times, that by the time i finished it, i was practically a *PRO with my dragon, and the missions afterward (which are just as tough), weren't *NEARLY as challenging.

i agree with a few of the earlier posters that state that it seems like the reviewers didn't want to be bothered to learn the intricacies of the controls, and expected the game to just suddenly, intuitively *MELD with them.

the Wii can't be brought into this equation, as most of the games that use the remote well, are simple "swing this bat, club, sword, broom, mop, knife, etc." let's see a Nintendo fan praise Wii controls when it comes to a game like Red Steel, and many others that absolutely *FAIL at the motion controls.

the fact of the matter, is that motion controls are difficult to implement 100%. it may certainly get there, but i'm not going to dock a game 4 or 5 points (like a lot of reviews have been doing), because i can't instantly take to it's controls.

i think if Factor 5 had included the *OPTION to use motion or analog sticks, the game would have gotten average scores of 7.5-8. because they *DIDN'T, the game gets average scores of 5 and 6.

visuals, mission structure, and overall gameplay is pretty solid, easily worth a 7 at the *LEAST.

the people hopping on the bandwagon, taking other people's opinions as their own because, "well, ign, 1up etc, etc are trusted sites!" should be *ASHAMED of themselves. the only opinion i trust, is *MYSELF. if i like a game, i like it. if somebody else hates that same game, well, who *CARES. as long as i'm enjoying myself, i don't give a rat's @ss what complete strangers say about it.

all this video does, is prove that the game is *NOT an unplayable mess, and takes time to adjust to.

it's pathetic that people who haven't even *TOUCHED this game are crapping on it. it amazes me, at the immaturity of some of these guys.

sheep, is what they are. followers only, with a near hive mind mentality; just go with what's popular concensus, because, god forbid we try to think for *OURSELVES. truly pathetic.

[Blabbermouth]

that the 180s sometimes don't execute sometimes, even when you think you got the controls down. Is that true? does it get annoying?

[Figboy]

what i've learned to do when preparing to do a 180, is tilt the controller down first, sending my dragon into a slight dive, then jerking the controller up. this works about 95% of the time.

[chrisin3]

but it doesn't change the fact that some people find the controls very easy and intuitive. THe reviewers have, for the most part, disagreed. Well, they don't have to buy the game then. I never thought this game would sell like resistance or motorstorm, and personally, I don't think I'd like it; but it's great that some people do. Bad reviews or not, some people enjoy the experience. AND if using the argument, "it's still a bad game--Look, IGN SAID..." makes you feel better, then continue to regurgitate that same line over and over again. Continue to speak defiantly and quote what all the reviewers said. Or . . . you could just shut up and go back to playing your console of choice. Believe it or not, you might find that engagement a bit more fun.

[Maddens Raiders]

That's what I've been trying to convey to these hardheaded MS kids all day. On every single PS3 thread they come in giving their two cents about how a PlayStation 3 game is based on reviews that they 'read', without a single intention of actually playing a PlayStation 3 game. Period.

Then there are the charlatans that say they own a PS3 and then try to talk bad about it, when really they're in lust w/ with the 360. THAT IS ALL THEY KNOW, so it doesn't matter what they own IF they even own a PS3 at ALL.

And then in lock step they all regurgitate the same tired, beaten mantra over and over and over and over and over and over an over and over again. They should just stop pretending a buy a PS3 already. Hell, they know they want to just like the Japanese are purchasing Sony's high priced (and worth it) system and helping to close the *gap every single month - I'm talking about the gap that puts the 360 out of the discussion. Soon after the PlayStation 3's 1 year anniversary, it will be nearly embarassing the progress this system has made, considering the LEAD Microsoft has squandered away. MS's lead will surrender, 1st to the Wii, then to the PS3. Boy, Christmas 2008 is going to be a interesting time indeed. If Blu-Ray wins out too -- wow forget about it. Give in 360 fans and stop writing about something you covet so badly. 8D

On second thought, just stay away and remain miserable. Sony fans are too happy and excited about the present and the future to welcome a bunch of pathetic, miserable ogres of your ilk. You only get your rock off by waking up and talking shyt about something you don't want and never will have. What kind of existence is that? Sad.

I can't say I blame them though -- I totally understand -- PlayStation 3 games change and the system stays the same. In their case this is a little reversed. Boredom and repetitive breakdowns will break anyone's spirit. Poor blokes. o_O

[Rhaigun]

...judge whether or not you should purchase the game. Always rent it first. Make your judgement from that. Especially if it's a game you've been looking forward to.
However, I would use reviews to judge whether or not it's a day one purchase. If a game gets a lot bad reviews like Lair has, you owe it to yourself to rent it first.
To me it looks like what a lot of reviews have said. "The controls are sluggish and unresponsive." It's not to say they won't work; they just take too much time to work.

[Genki]

I couldn't count how many times I've seen "Why can't you people admit the game just sucks!" from folks that don't, won't and probably never will play the game.

It's funny to me that someone who genuinely enjoys the game based on first hand experience is somehow wrong. It really makes me chuckle. I never thought the world would take a turn where supposed professionals dictate the thoughts and decisions of people, and they cannot be questioned, otherwise, you're in DENIAL, right? Foolishness.

There's an uprising every time it's reported that someone likes the game, doesn't have a problem with the controls, or just plain doesn't think it's mediocre. As if people WANT the game to be bad, because X reviewer said so, so it MUST be so. Give me a break.

Some of you need to learn to start thinking on your own...but before that realize that there are others who in fact DO have their own mind which may not necessarily agree with what GP or the press may think...it's not a terribly difficult concept to grasp.

[Ju]

Very well said. Bubble for you!

[sandip787]

im sorry but thats what reviews are for, to help you decide a purchase. i hate it when people tell you not to take heed of reviews, games cost enough as it is, even renting games will cost enough if you rent pretty much every game. however if it is a game that you like the look of, or you're really fond on the genre, then reviews shouldnt matter.

anyway, at the matter in hand, if it is true that reviewers tried to do a rush job on reviewing, then thats disgusting. theyre payed to give a proper opinion on the game, not just give a half arssed one coz they cudnt be bothered getting to grips with controls.
i hope this doesnt happen in the future

[Genki]

Which is exactly my point, you just said it yourself.

Now, don't get it twisted, it's a persons prerogative to listen to reviews or not, although I don't do it myself. I just find it foolish when people try to use reviews as a contrivance, and they take ratings as fuel for their flamewars just to throw things in peoples faces, as if another individuals opinion carries special weight over another's. It's pretty ridiculous when you look at it that way.

You're right though, reviews can help you decide a purchase, they shouldn't decide for you. Hearkening back to what you said, if you're genuinely interested in a game, you probably shouldn't be letting an average of reviews sway you. It's funny though, how having interest in a game that gets slammed by critics makes you a zombie. I think it means you have your own mind personally.

I associate zombies as those who DO go with the crowd, never trying anything because they want to, only trying what's suggested by the rest of the pack. That's what I'm trying to get people to wake up to. Consider reviews and other opinions all you want, but YOU should always be the one to decide...not a critic.

Just read something in another thread that went along the lines of "This developer has no room to talk because his games aren't rated as highly as developer Y's games". Made me croak, as if arbitrary "ratings" reflect on someones credibility. I really pity people that are so narrow-minded...

[Hyperactive Jedi]

I havent had any problems with LAIR, the controls are great, some said there is a too much lag but I dont see it. The best game for the PS3 right now !

[MyNameIsNotRick]

so... based on a youtube video, you guys are now convinced that all of the reviews were mistakes. As if all of the reviewers didn't play the whole game and just wanted to play it in the most frustrating way possible to prove some kind of point or because they were stupid?

Wake up. It's not that good. Waist your money if you want but there are other games out there that are actually good (even on the ps3).
60 dollars is allot of money to spend on something that you need to force yourself to like.

[Blabbermouth]

Lots of other people that own the game say the controls are no where near as bad as what the reviewers made it out to be.

[Figboy]

not based on a Youtube video; based on the fact that *I FREAKING OWN THE GAME, and i'm having a blast with it, despite some frustrations (which i've commented about enough in other Lair related threads).

thing is, there *ARE people out there that are enjoying the game, and as long as those people are enjoying the game, what does it matter if a few "professional" reviewers take issue with it?

are you telling me, that you've *NEVER, in your entire gaming life, bought a game that other people considered a dud, but *YOU, personally, liked?

i have my fair share of crappy games that i enjoy, and i have my fair share of *GREAT games, that folks would consider a classic (ie, Metal Gear Solid, Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, etc).

the point of this past-time we call gaming, is to *ENJOY ourselves. to have some fun.

developers like Factor 5 don't set out to make a difficult game, or a game that will score 5's and 6's. they set out to make a good game, but it is *NOT EASY.

sometimes they get it right, and tap into the collective conscious of gamers everywhere, and we get an Ocarina of Time, or Final Fantasy VII, or some other game that, even if the person isn't a fan of the genre, can respect what the game is (i don't like Halo, but i don't deny it's effect on the gaming landscape, and the fact that *MILLIONS of gamers out there swear by it). then sometimes, they *DON'T tap into that collective conscious, and we have what those in the film industry call, a "cult classic."

Lair, strikes me as being a cult classic. there is quality entertainment to be had, but not everybody likes it (think Army of Darkness; great movie for some; pure schlock for others).

neither of those options are bad.

now, this doesn't excuse games like Spider-Man 3 and other licensed drivel, as the publishers of those games (ie, Activision), are purely looking at the game from a business perspective, knowing that the game will sell, at the *LEAST, 2 or 3 million units, based off of the *NAME ALONE (case in point, Spider-Man: Friend of Foe, is going to sell, at least 1 million units. i guarantee it, whereas a game like Bioshock, while doing well, won't reach that number nearly as fast as Spider-Man), and don't bother to put in anything more than the bare minimum of effort. that is to say; the game is "playable," but still @ss.

a company like Factor 5, with at title like Lair, is obviously *NOT looking at that bare minimum. i mean, just the production values alone show that they put a whole lot of heart behind it.

the truth of the matter is; they tried something new, with a motion-controlled dragon game, and it didn't work out like they hoped (controls that have too steep of a learning curve for some, leading to frustration).

what's funny, is that i had a hard time with the controls when i first played Lair. my roommate, played it for the first time yesterday, and he did *BETTER than i did. some people don't have issue with the controls, some people do. i stuck it out, and i'm glad i did. there *IS a fun game in Lair, but not everybody will think so.

i just don't understand how there can be a "right" or "wrong" answer here.

if somebody likes Lair, they aren't "stupid," or an "idiot," or a "tool." they simply like the game.

if somebody *DOESN'T like Lair, they aren't "stupid," or an "idiot," or a "tool." they simply don't like the game.

*BUT, if someone is simply hating on Lair because of what *SOMEBODY ELSE says about the game, and they haven't actually tried it out for themselves to see if they truly *DO hate it (who knows, they may find themselves having a good time; though i doubt it; most of the blind dissenters are absolutely *DETERMINED to hate this game), well, *THAT'S stupid, idiotic, and very tool-like.

i mean, damn guys, at least have the dignity to *TRY THE GAME OUT for yourselves, before jumping on any anti-whatever bandwagons. jeebus.

[MyNameIsNotRick]

I see your point. But you don't have to start crying because liar sucks. It will be ok.

[abg428]

ooooooohhhhhhh come on guys are you serious????? All the people that were b*tchin about the controls and they were this damn simple!!!?????? You guys that bash this game have got to be THE PETTIEST people on this green earth!!! WOW you guys really should grow the hell up, and be real with yourselves. You haters make me sick........WOW!!

[ApocalypseShadow]

don't even bother.

these "micro-donalds" fast food fanboys will never see your point.

all they see is great looking and great playing games as threats to their system.any good ps3 game or feature,even the lair remote play ability,is frowned upon because microsoft didn't do it.

most of us who like ps3 don't care one way or another if 360 has good games or bad.when blue dragon got low scores,real gamers looked at it as "if you don't like traditional jrpgs,you will not like the game."'but if you do,you will like blue dragon."

but it's not the same with ps3.the standards and expectations are higher.they bought into the sony marketing of "jacking into the matrix" or "4D" and took it to heart.they are blind to what sony's offering(and they don't own the system). and fear a threepeat by sony.that's what it boils down to:

FEAR OF A SONY THREEPEAT.

even if microsoft does well this time,they fear third place.scared of another 100 million(never done before in the history of gaming)systems sold.for a third time(already twice).not all 360 gamers.just the fanboys.

enjoy the games you like and just skip these mad individuals.they would rather believe that it's fine for microsoft to abandon its base with xbox(i'm one of them-upgrade to 360 or get no new games),be lied to and blamed for RROD,blamed for disc scratches,purchase high priced accessories and and get refurbs back that break as well.

don't bother trying to help them see the light about reviews or anything.because they won't help themselves.

................mag lev super train.................

[Genki]

It's like I said. Folks like him deem that this game CANNOT be good for anybody, because the scores he decides to go by(nevermind trying it yourself) are enough for him. I guess in the world of some there can only be ONE opinion.

So who's in denial, really? The people that genuinely like and dislike the game, GENUINELY at that, or the people who arbitrarily say that it's bad, no matter what, because reviewer X said this and blah blah blah.

For the record, I don't think any of the reviews were mistakes. Some people will love it, others won't. It's called preference. To answer your question though, it's entirely possible and plausible for several different people to have different views on the same game...the world isn't ENTIRELY comprised of zombies. I haven't played it myself, but I would still like to.

No, of course they didn't play it a particular way just to give a spiteful rating. Did you ever step outside of your bubble and think that maybe they just couldn't get a good grasp of the game? I've found many games frustrating because I wasn't adept at them. A viable complaint, and I can relate, as it really does hamper the experience. Conversely, who am I to tell someone that the game SUCKS because they've found a way to play that makes it enjoyable to them?

Again, and I STRESS this, there isn't one single veritable verdict for something as subjective as a gaming experience. Those of you who take the route of "anyone who likes this game is fooling themselves! It MUST me bad, so and so SAID it!" really look more foolish than anyone else. We're all different people, and different things appeal to us. You have no right to tell someone they're wrong for seeing something differently.

[iheartSONY]

I get this game shipped to me tomorrow and I can't wait to play it! Don't care too much for the reviews because I like what I like and if I like a game that no one else likes then thats too bad. But for now I'll play Warhawk.

[gamesR4fun]

Ive had it for a couple days now great game controls are tight once you get used to them and it adds a whole new aspect to the game. While ill say the games not quite AAA its at least a solid 7.5 8.
Im still not done the main story line but so far its very immersive and does not feel repetitive at all... Im pretty sure they just got the bad reviews cause they said this game could not be done on xbox and got a few fanboy reviewers panties in a knot.
Ps for the record Im not anti xbox just telling it the way I see it.

[ApocalypseShadow]

i have beyond good and evil.awsome game.but it got no exposure from ubisoft.and that was sad.a lot of gamers would say"what makes that game so great?"and i'd tell them,"do you like zelda?"but it's more than just a zelda type game.

i like RAD(robot alchemic drive).it has corny voice acting,but i love mechs.it's the best remote control robot game i have seen on ps2.and plays out like anime.or godzilla.

i like way of the samurai.and if you played it,you know that you can finish that game in 5 minutes.as soon as you start,you can walk off into the sunset(or get killed) and get a rating.but it's the best "make your own story multiple route" game(like those books).

same with shadow of colossus.you tell another gamer that there are no enemies except for the bosses,and that gamer will run away like h3ll.

i like outrun,but the next person may like need for speed.none of these gamers will try games for themselves.they take in the reviews and will skip what may be an outstanding game for them.i like metal gear but some hate it.some hate devil may cry's camera because it was supposed to be the next resident evil until hideki and shinji decided to change it.dmc 1 is awsome.

these gamers rely on jaded gamers who have played so many games,that they can't see what is just a fun game to play.and they review on personal opinion.they now expect the world.when they are supposed to ask themselves:

is it fun?
does it have good control?
is it addictive to make you want to play it again?(replay value)

that's all a review should do.those three points.because some games don't have great graphics or story.

but i'm done trying to school some of these supposed "gamers" who look at stats,rating sites,pick on the smallest details and blow them up and downplay innovation like eyetoy,LBP or motion control.

i'm having fun with ps3.and will continue to have fun with ps3.have fun too.

.........................mag lev super train..................

[Ignorant Fanboy]

I dont want to relax and gently move the sixxaxis.

I am getting burned by dragons, Im supposed to jump around if its really an immersive experience.

They just want you to remain calm while all the action is gong on?

[SofaKingReetodded]

there is NOTHING wrong with this game. I learned how to play it in under 5 mins. Support Factor 5 who put their heart and soul into this excellent game.

I should also mention that Blood River is a great level in this game. When I saw that you can swoop over the invading army unleashing a constant stream of fire from the dragon thereby incinerating the enemy soldiers I got a big kool-aid smile on my face.

PLAY BEYOND!!!

[SomeAnalyst]

Analog stick for direction/targeting and
Tilt for very fast banks/turns.
Same goes for Wii flight games (Although the pointer is the most precise, flight =/= twitch play).

[IRONMAN_357X]

so dont be suprised when im playing it, also how can you sit there and say that the game sucks on a vid, Play it yourself retards, get real

[SabreMan]

just looking at the video and seeing someone actually play the game highlights just how epic and on a grand scale it looks. the dragon flying over the stunning landscape looks incredible, watching the Dragon glide with it's huge wingspan is stunning i can't wait for my US copy to turn up.

It's also obvious (to me at least) to control the dragon you have too do it gradually with no sudden jerky movement, it looks like a game you can play and just relax, very serene.

This for me atleast puts to bed the argument of bad control as it's clear from the video if you use the six-axis as Factor 5 intended it works very well, if you use it how the player did at the start of the video it doesn't.

As others have stated it's a Dragon not a fighter jet

i keep saying this but it's all subjective opinion, we all see,like,act differently this seems to be a love/hate game.
however don't base your opinion of this game (OR ANY OTHER)on a subjective opinion by a reviewer or what console a game runs on

this is my opinion yours is yours, however yours is no more right than mine do you get what i'm saying "subjective opinion"

[FirstknighT]

I almost fell asleep watching that video. So boring.

[SabreMan]

isn't it time you got back to your fast and hectic life !!!

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

It's true the gameplay is sloppy but it's not unmanagable. Lair has it's moments, the graphics and sountrack are beautiful. But the gameplay is sloppy and you will usually have to give a level a few tries before it makes sense. Once it does, it's not that bad.

I've played games that are well crafted but are very boring, lair atleast has it's moments. The graphics and gameplay style are very ambitious. So overall I'll give it 7/10 myself.

[RealityCheck]

I agree. People just jumping in the game and expecting "Blazing Angels" or gameplay like that will hate it. Once you go through ALL the tutorials, practice some and understand that you are riding a dragon, then the game is enjoyable. You don't expect a tank in a game to drive like a race car, why do people expect a dragon to fly like a fighter jet?

It's not perfect, far from it, but as you say it has it's moments. Replaying the levels a few times is often needed because it's not very forgiving, among the chaos you have to do what the game expects you to do it would have been nice if events were triggered based on completing previous goals instead of just having them on a fixed timetable, often rushing the player.

[aiphanes]

I just started playing warhawk with motion controls enabled and it is teh way to play the game. Control is super responsive and you can adjust the senstivity!

You even have more control using the motion controls in warhawk, you can target the main guns in 360 degrees!!!

[Evangelion_Heist]

Even if you say that the whole response time is a little off because they wanted to make you have an authentic feeling of riding a dragon, they shouldn't have sacrificed precise controls for realistic effects. That's exactly why the reviews are bashing the game. Precise controls are much more important than having a dragon "realistically" do a half-***ed turn.

[Captain Tuttle]

They just didn't make sixaxis control optional. Problem solved.

[hulk_bash1987]

Thats exactly the way i use the motion control wen i play, calmly and relaxed. But then agen the average gamer, me included, tend to become mre aggresive during high stress situations. So even though i feel that the motion controls are fine, the devs could have added on the analog controls to appease the masses of gamers out their still sketchy about the sixaxis. Then agen Factor 5 was riding on the motion controls to sell the game so...here we are i guess.

[sticky doja]

Slow and steady, forever to turn, don't expect to do anything fast. I personally like playing games like I'm flying an MiG-21 fighter pilot.

Don't have time or patience for slow controlls.

[sleepbox]

Wow...I like my steering to be delayed by 5 seconds every time. I'm glad I saw this vid...the game looked good prior to the stupid PS3 fanboy trying to DEFEND the game just put it's nail in the coffin for me by demonstrating how ridiculous it controls. Now everyone is saying "be calm and relaxed"...what a bunch of hooey

[Z501]

how the dragon does'nt feel "real" enough.You're controlling the reigns of a dragon,NOT THE DRAGON itself,thus the delay.
I guess you can call this a Dragon Flying Sim.Not an Arcade game.

[doomsonyman]

this game is a masterepiece people you have to play this game it is pure epic fun. the reviews were wrong

[HateBoy]

I'm sorry, this video only proves just how unresponsive the controls are. Stop the excuses fanboys ("ur controlling the reins, not the dragon!!! so its actually quite realistic!"), thanks to this guy now everybody knows how much the controls suck. Sixaxis is stupid, i might have bought or at least rented the game if it had the option (why o why isnt it there?!?) to controll it with the analog sticks.

[--Onilink--]

C'mon people, stop saying the unresponsiveness is because u are riding the dragon, its clearly a lack of polish in the gameplay due to lack of time or just laziness, who knows? the point is while this is certainly not a perfect game, it is a good game that should probably deserve a better score than say... 4.9 on IGN, but at most i would give a 7.5. It has isuess, but nothing u cant get over it and makes it deserve the bashing some 360 fanboys are doing, and it doesnt need people to make up dumb things like "u are riding a dragon, not an F-14" and "just relax" to make up for its isuess, just play the game for what it is, and thats a really original concept, with great grapichs and music, that some people will like, some dont. Just rent the game 1st, u should at least try it before making ur decision wheter u like the controls or not

[THAMMER1]

(Just shakes head.)

[PimpHandHappy]

Thats not far off from what i have heard from reviews.

Thanks ppl and this game is a total rental!

peace