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Metal Gear Solid 4 and the Over Hyped Blues

Quote from the article:

"MGS4 since it's initial showing has been hyped as the definition of what a next-gen game is supposed to be. The last in the Metal Gear Solid series was going to be a master piece that defined the PS3 and gave credence to it's high price tag. The problem with that from the beginning has been that the MGS franchise has from it's roots never been a mass market property. Fans of MGS are a loyal hardcore bunch to be sure, but while the series started out with much promise on the original PSone -- it then slowly teetered into a complicated exercise of military morals and symbolism for life, that to this day many are still trying to figure out. Just what the fuck was MSG2 about? MGS2 drove a lot of the casual fans of the series away and quickly became a series that was only truly enjoyed by hardcore fans that had become almost intimate with the lore of the game."

Read the feature to see why this author feels MGS4 has hype riding on it.

smart_head6118d ago (Edited 6118d ago )

Well, someone was bound to talk negatively about the game. I guess I'm one of the hardcore fans of MGS.

lesbiansonyfan-girl6118d ago (Edited 6118d ago )

Thats the thing, smart head. You may be fan, but you are in the minority. I have been reminding people of how this series is not really that good from the beggining. But with all the sony fan-girls on here you attacked for that. But none of them have even played the games. Not many people have, look up the sales. The games in the past were boring and tireing but PS3 fans jump all over it to justify their systems even though they are not fans like you their just fan-girls who suck sonys balls. This game is not going to touch splinter cell for most people even though you might not prefer it. Splinter cell is a much more accssesible and fun than MGS to the general audience. People like DRTYSOUF below just don't get it. Why did he never play anothe MGS after the first one? Because it sucks, 2 was worse and three was the best of them all but it was still very much like busy-work. Nobodys bash the game because its sonys you ball licken fan-girl.
Just accept that the truth is the games suck and sony lovers are pathetic to hype this game so much, of cousre your all going to pretend you love this series and played them all. And the fan-girl agrees, for shame. I hope to get 50 disagrees.

Armyless6117d ago

And it thusly gets published on N4G... And we all line up like ducks to comment on it.

Quack.

vickers5006117d ago

@lesbiansonyfan-girl
Tell me halo is not overhyped, and that you are not sucking micro$oft off for the same game with prettier graphics. You have some anger issues if thats the first post you bring up here. Oh well, I guess nobody in your opinion can try a new game and like it, we all have to think like you because you're all knowing when it comes to video games. Let it go, and stop trying to fight a pointless war(console wars) and get a hobby besides bashing people you loser.

peksi6117d ago

For the Nth time we're talking about a matter of taste.

gaffyh6117d ago

I totally agree with smart_head I have played all MGS games so far since the PS1 version and the first one was fantastic, second one mainly focused on graphics (so story was bad). I think the third one redeemed the series. A lot of people say that MGS4 is the same game as previous ones but its not, the gameplay has evolved in every game, and the jump of what you can do from 3 to 4 is amazing.

I can't believe this got approved, there is nothing more over hyped than Halo, MGS hype doesn't even compare because it delivers on all fronts; graphically, increased abilities (meaning gameply is different), looks like a better story as it links to the first game (cuz Meryl is there).

PistolPumptMonk6117d ago

lesbiansonyfan-girl.

i don't even know where to start. first of all, let me assure you i am not a sony fanboy (grew up with nintendo, play my fair share of halo) and i love all next gen systems equally. except 360 breaks too much (off topic). anyway, i felt compelled to create an account just to respond to your ridiculously stupid comment.

i will agree with a few points. mgs is NOT a series for casual gamers, and if they think mgs4 will make them care, they are wrong. but if you want a deep, compelling game with a story better than 90% of movies, play mgs 1,2, or 3. im not "claiming" to have played them all, i'm TELLING you i have played them all, multiple times, loving each one each time i play it. why don't you go ask ign.com, gamespot.com, psm magazine, egm magazine, or any other media source how much these games suck. don't make comments that just sound stupid with nothing to back them.

you are probably one of those people who sees the world through halo tinted glasses, and cannot accept anything beyond your shallow and light amount of brainpower. but don't criticize the best series of games of all time, and one of the most ingenious game creaters of all time.

look at the sales. look at the sales? are you KIDDING ME. i realize that, being a five year old, you may have just been born around the time of the release of mgs2, but i will inform you that that game was one of the most hyped and well selling games to come to the playstation 2 at such an early stage. the story doesn't "suck" its just VERY complicated and deep, and really only people who care alot about the serious should worry about it. its a magnificent marvel of gaming.

you have been saying the serious wasn't that good from the start? wow. congratulations on one of the worst comments ever brought into this world. i enjoy halo alot, its a fun game and i play it all the time with my friends online, but if halo and metal gear solid were pigs, halo would be the small big who can't get a place in to suck on the glory of metal gear solid (aka the mother pig). just go on back to playing your 5th, 6th, or 20th xbox 360 and leave the cool people alone. and buy a cooling fan, i hear they may cause your 360 to only break after 2 months instead of 1.

p.s. i have a life, i am a student at virgina tech, i have lots of friends, i work over 40 hours a week during the summer so please no comments about being a super nerd with no life blah blah blah. i don't need to hear it from you. just please try to sort your life out and leave metal gear solid out of this.

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drtysouf216118d ago (Edited 6118d ago )

because its a PS3 exclusive now people are trying to down play it and spin negative things about it. No matter what anyone says the game looks great and looks like it will be alot of fun to play. I think it will sell alot of copies along with PS3's. But everyone is entitled to their opinion. But it seems to me that he's trying to get attention by being pretty much the only person saying negative things about it hence the title and his second sentence which says "This article is surely going to piss off many, and perhaps maybe even make a few of you think." It didn't piss me off or make me think any differently no matter what negative thing i read about it my opinion still stands that it looks great and looks great to play will sell lots of copies and PS3's. And i only played the 1st Metal Gear Solid so i'm not a hardcore fan i'm a casual one and this will be a day one purchase for me.

Maddens Raiders6118d ago

sums it up....of course on a much larger scale:

Dr Pepper6118d ago

lol, while that may be a funny picture (Maddens Raiders), not getting MGS4 does not make me regret my purchase of a 360. It's a game that I can live without, even though it looks pretty cool.

JIN KAZAMA6118d ago (Edited 6118d ago )

dude, that pic made me laugh out loud at work!!! A few people turned around to look why I was laughing and I showed the pic to my coworker and he started cracking up!! that was hillarious.

The xbox 360 400 dollars, Gears of War 60 dollars, XBL 50 dollars, DLC for GTA4 50 million dollars.....turning on your 360 and getting RROD (which makes your 360)..........priceless.

Blackmoses6118d ago

the funny thing is...the same thing could be said about any other game out there with a cult following...

It's a pretty pathetic attempt to garner attention from the masses. Truthfully...I don't know one "Gammer" after watching that 15 minutes of footage from the game, that would actually say that, "it's aight, may be a tad over hyped". C'mon are kidding me, the real reason you have people coming out of the woodworks seemingly drooling at the mouth over this game is because it jaw dropping.

This is the way a true gaming legend should go out in his final game. All the bells and whistles, all the little nuances that made this game so great with a touch of the new age gaming styles.

All the best ideas are revisions of an original. So if the Shooting mechanism resembles some other game then so what, he made it look ten times better.
Name one game with 100% complete original thought behind all of it's gameplay.....
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..
that's right not a one. Not Halo, Not MGS4, not a one.
they have borrowed an idea here and there but this series and Halo has been used to death for ideas in plenty of other games. This article was nothing less than FlAME BAIT!!! Full of non-sense and a poor attempt to stand out and make a name for themselves.

i Shank u6118d ago

now where's the one of Kutaragi drilling your sony butt?

UJUSTLOSTONE6117d ago

This dude is a b*tch

whining about how he can't keep up with the series
get out of here.

When a I played MGS1 I felt like I was dropped in the middle of something of with no backhistory but I was able to catch on

Gimme a friggin break

There will always be naysayers, and haters, or people who don't like things for whatever reason

Look, my mom, who doesn't care for videogames, and barely understands what the internet is all about, Loves this damn game !

Believe dat

dummies

Dareaver16117d ago

MGS4 looks pretty but look at the stiff movements, the menu pop ups for everything. it's not intuitive at all. And then you have to look at the fact that instead of picking up a barrel and putting it on, one magically appeared, and then magically disappeared. that is not innovative at all. MGS4 has a lot to work out before it can be said to be a great and innovative game.

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Tsalagi6118d ago

You have to get adjusted to Metal Gear games. When i first tried MGS3 i hated it but after getting used to the new camo/healing stuff i loved it.

Tesla6118d ago

If he wants to play something completely new, then maybe he should try some other game. What did he expect? That Snake is going to play football or go to cinema? For me, it is a superb combination of older games and new features. Oh, and if he is bothered with long cutscenes, then he should play Tetris. There are no cutscenes there, just gameplay.
People like him really piss me off.
Oh, and about MGS2. I hate it when people say that it's story sucks, just because they can't understand it.

BaMYouRDeaD6118d ago (Edited 6118d ago )

This guy must be really bored and lonely right now to sit down and try to spew out negativity about something like MGS. If he thinks it's over hyped, fine. But you can't deny the impact MGS has on PS consoles, and that millions of people around the world love this game.

Plus, this is someone's opinion, and isn't news.

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OtterX48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

Even if they could just remaster and put on PSVR2, some would still look great as VR titles and could do a whole lot to bolster the headset w these exclusives! I'd imagine the investment of reworking these titles into VR would be way less than building new games from the ground up, and they could be amazing experiences, and VR often makes flat games feel fresh again. The Resistance and Killzone games are particularly what I want to see!!

Rude-ro48d ago

I played killzone 3 in 3d and it really changed the game per being immersive.
In vr, that would be even more awesome.

darthv7248d ago

Funny you mention that... my son wanted to play some PS3 games in 3d on my PS tv and he was blown away by how good KZ3 was. It really was a great addition to the game. Im surprised there have not been more 3d games from that era being ported to the PSVR/VR2.

_SilverHawk_48d ago

resistance 1-3, killzone 1-3, uncharted 1-3, uncharted golden abyss, folklore, socom 4 , motorstorm, twisted metal, MAG, heavenly sword

Cacabunga48d ago

Killzone 2+3
Sly Thieves in Time
Crack in Time
God of War Ascension
Motorstorm
Modnation racer
Infamous 1+2

Profchaos47d ago (Edited 47d ago )

Killzone trilogy in VR would be amazing bonus points if they offer shadow fall.

There was a psvr1 Killzone project that supermassive was working on at one stage which wasn't up to scratch and Sony brand it back in house I was hoping we would see that on psvr2 eventually.

Personally I'd love to see some more love or acknowledgement of psvr2 from Sony in general it was a expensive headset and Sony barely acknowledge it's existence

seanpitt2347d ago

The amount of work needed to remaster these games wouldn't be beneficial on a financial and business sense.. MGS4 would probably be the best bet as it would need the least amount of work!

Iceball200048d ago

YEAAASSSSS! I miss this franchise and wanna play it so bad again.

Father__Merrin48d ago

The time is perfect for a resistance fall of man game campaign coop multiplayer

InUrFoxHole48d ago

The resistance series is str8 trash to me. Socom 3 I would welcome. Or killzone MP.

Marcus Fenix48d ago

A Resistance reboot will be awesome

Michiel198948d ago

That's what Bungie should make, Ill keep saying it until it happens

1Victor48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

Resistance was ok but Warhawk and Starhawk was better and kept me coming back for almost a decade of fun and petty revenge on the loud mouth unskilled players 🤣
Edit I loved capture the flag dropping the pot on the flag carrier was extremely satisfying as well as transforming your plane in bot form and stumping them to death 😱

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Michiel198948d ago

Resistance was the best co-op fps I ever played after L4D2

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Hideo Kojima laments that Metal Gear Solid 4's digital battlefield 'is no longer science fiction'

Game creator Hideo Kojima is and probably will always be best-known for his creation and stewardship of the Metal Gear series at Konami, which since his departure has been more-or-less on permanent hiatus (don't mention Survive). In his almost three decades these games evolved to the point where they predicted certain problems of the information age (MGS 2), took aim at contemporary topics like Guantanamo Bay (MGS: Ground Zeroes), and ended on a profound sense of sadness about our species' inability to break the cycles of global conflict (MGS V).

It's not clear what sparked this reflection, but Kojima's been thinking about Metal Gear Solid 4, an entry that was (and unfortunately still remains) a PlayStation 3 exclusive. In that entry the player controls an aged Solid Snake in the year 2014, caught up in a civil war being fought between Private Military Companies (PMCs).

Dirty_Lemons358d ago

That was a great fucking game/ movie.

DarXyde358d ago

To this day, it's one of those games where I refuse to skip the cutscenes, no matter how many playthroughs I've done.

But if you ask me...MGS2 was bloody prophetic and has aged like fine wine. That game was blasted as the weakest entry, and yet it's so enduring. I replayed it some time last year and it was remarkable.

sadraiden358d ago

Heed not the lamentations of people that say that MGS2 is bad because of the Snake/Raiden bait and switch. Every MGS game has its own merits, and while most people consider 3 to be the best, they all shine equally in my opinion.

porkChop358d ago

@sad

I would generally agree but with the exception of MGSV. It had truly excellent gameplay/combat, but dull and largely empty open world(s), and a narrative that is literally only half finished.

I really wish Kojima hadn't tried to go open world with MGS. It just wasn't right for the series. But I get it. He didn't want to make MG anymore but he wasn't allowed to make anything else. So he had to experiment within that franchise. Still, it was the wrong direction.

Santouryuu358d ago

I have been thinking about this a lot, MGS2 being the weakest and getting blasted.
My conclusion, for some years now, it's my favorite game of the series.
Going from MGS1 to MGS2 was such a big leap, in graphics, mechanics, etc.
And now it's even more relevant for being 'bloody prophetic' as you stated.

Maybe dust of my vita and play it again...

porkChop358d ago

It's a shame we never got a remaster of MGS4. The original game only rendered at 1024x768, and it ran anywhere from like 20fps to 60fps depending on the area. A remaster could have very easily cleaned up the visuals and performance. It's such a great game. I just want to play it again but in its best possible state.

MIDGETonSTILTS17358d ago

I agree, but they did all sorts of tricks to make use of the ps3’s cell processor….they’d probably have to rebuild the game in order to make it run on another machine. And, if that involves remaking those cutscenes somehow, then itll never happen, unfortunately.

porkChop358d ago

Nah. There have been plenty of remasters of PS3 games and they've turned out fine. It can be done.

ANIALATOR136357d ago (Edited 357d ago )

You can get near enough 4k 60 with it on RPCS3 these days

FallenAngel1984357d ago

War... war never changes. Or does it? The war has changed ...did it? The answer is no! Unless it is yes! No, of course it is! Is war! Yes! No! Yes?

PitbullMonster357d ago

Ah a man of culture. Duty calls

cell989358d ago

He was always ahead with this series. MSG1 taught me about the importance of passing on our genes into future generations but in a responsible way, for they are bound to what we experienced in our lifetime. Sons of liberty taught me about global control and simulation runs to test society in a grand scale, the importance and dangers of control of information. MGS3 taught me about patriotism and how that can blind you into doing things you never would have otherwise, all for the sake of politicians who only see you as another pawn in their grand scheme of things. MSG4 taught me war is inevitable and always orchestrated because it's great for the economy. Soon simulation systems will start dictating who goes to war and why, all run through proxies. Privatization of military company are already here. We already started to see how a small group of elites dictates everything that happens. Nothing is done, nothing happens without strings being pulled.

Eidolon358d ago

You learned all this from MGS?

Tody_ZA358d ago

All that was literally the themes and core story of each game, so not surprising he learned that from MGS. Metal Gear Solid 2 in particular is so relevant today, it was more than a decade ahead of its time and a work of genius. Kojima saw what the digital future was going to become when it was in its infancy. Even MGS 5 despite being unfinished and less of a traditional Metal Gear Solid game with regards to story, had a fair bit to say about language and control over it that is relevant today.

It's a highly acclaimed series for a reason, and one of my favourite.

Eidolon358d ago

I've watched my brother play the MGS games, but I only beat MGS1 myself on the PSP in 2014, and MGSV in 2016. I took the themes and plots as lore, tbh.. trying to piece together the story of MGS rather than relating them to our current times.

Tody_ZA358d ago

It's definitely social commentary, Eidolon. You should read the "themes and analysis" section of the Wikipedia page for MGS2: Sons of Liberty for a start! Game was heavy on this.

Eidolon358d ago

I'll take a look, thanks. Actually might pick up MGS2 again (PS Vita), It's been years since I last played. Might start a new game tbh.

sadraiden358d ago

MGS2 literally predicted digital manipulation of information that we see today all the way back in 2001. MGS2 became Zucc's playbook.

Knushwood Butt358d ago

MGS taught me not to pee my pants.

cell989358d ago

Yes back in 1998 when I was 13. Throughout the years more information has been shown on this subject matters, but go back to early 2000s and information wasn't as prominent. Kojima was ahead of the game

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MaxiPower90358d ago

He was on the ball about many things. A true visionary.

sadraiden358d ago

If it wasn't for the retconning of how FOXDIE works, including clunky scenes with Naomi and Liquid, MGS4 would be a perfect game. There are so many gameplay options. It felt like us PS3 owners got something truly unique and special.

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