Valve 'up' on idea of PS3 development, waiting to build talented PS3 team

Joystiq writes: "Valve isn't quite as against the idea of developing games for the PS3 as we previously thought. Speaking to Valve's Doug Lombardi at the Left 4 Dead 2 event in London today (look out for the full interview soon), we discovered that the company is still "up on the idea" of developing for the PS3 -- it's just waiting until it has hired some decent PS3 coders."

[qface64]

by the time they are down building up this team the ps4 will be 1 year from release

[Maddens Raiders]

considering us lowly, lowly PS3 owners in your future endeavours and discussions. If only we were truly worthy of your efforts.

/sarcasm o_O

Seriously, I know I may be in the minority here, but I don't give a flying shyt what Valve or any of their company heads have to say. The PS3 is a beast and their apparent lack of interest or expertise in programming for ((it)) speaks volumes after 2 1/2 years on the shelves. Are you freaking kidding me?

Valve, that rotund atrocity Newell, and Nolan Bushnell joined the lot of a**hole Programmers / devs that can suck my .... a long time ago. I'll contribute nary a dime to any of their half-hearted projects.

/rant

[GameGambits]

If Valve is "such a good developer" and they have yet to give the PS3 proper support, then wouldn't that make them just a bunch of hot air? Seriously if you can't port your games over because you are that lazy or incompetent, then just do everyone a favor and admit it already. Plenty of other devs with brains attached to their spinal cords would be more than willing to tell you how to get the job done right.

I'm still waiting for a game from these guys that I can put in my all time favorites list, because even Half Life 1 and 2 aren't on my big list of games I think everyone should play. :/

[lociefer]

no thank you i do not want older gen games on my powerhorse 3

[El Botto]

PS3 has higher attach rates, more power, Blu Ray and PS3 first and second year sales beat 360. That means that if you deduct the headstart of the 360, PS3 has a higher install base.

Furthermore, 360 is already twice as cheap as PS3. They blew all their cards away by now and are running out of ideas. Halo this halo that. Even Halo will fail eventually.

The industry isnt a fool. There is not a single big time developer that doesnt want to support the PS3.

If you look at Konami, EA even Capcom for instance, you can see that they made the most money last year on the PS3. This is not different for any other developer.

Eventually even die hard studios will see that they are at a disadvantage BY NOT developing for the PS3.

This is Valve's wake up call. Sooner or later, the smell of profits will lure even the die hards. Valve is no different.

[Boody-Bandit]

I personally have not contributed a dime to a valve project on the consoles this whole generation. I really never saw what the big stink was over Orange Box and especially L4D and shooters are my favorite genre.

They are running on such dated engines and OB lagged liked crazy online while L4D is just wave after wave of zombies attacking. It felt more like a mod inside of a full version game then the ability to stand on it's own. I will never understand the appeal of these titles and yes I have played them both on the PC and 360.

[All-3]

--> Of course they will. This article comes as no surprise. Because PS3 is doing better than 360. Hell, anyone in the industry can see that by now.

Oh really? Better in what way? Not in unit sales worldwide.

--> PS3 has higher attach rates...

No it does not.

--> ... PS3 first and second year sales beat 360. That means that if you deduct the headstart of the 360, PS3 has a higher install base.

Except that the industry doesn't do that... only rabid supporters do that. The industry acknowledges that the 360 has a larger install base vs the PS3... and the 360 games give game publishers/developers more profits on their investments.

--> Furthermore, 360 is already twice as cheap as PS3.

That's Sony's problem. The PS3 would sell more if Sony could afford to drop the price... unfortunately Sony can't afford to thus far.

--> They blew all their cards away by now and are running out of ideas. Halo this halo that. Even Halo will fail eventually.

There's much more than just Halo... and if you want to go that route... how many God of War games are there? Don't forget the handheld version either.

--> The industry isnt a fool. There is not a single big time developer that doesnt want to support the PS3.

Support at what cost though? Why isn't the PS3 the dominate development platform for 3rd party publishers/developers? No company is going to sacrifice profit margins just because of some raving PS3 supporters.

--> If you look at Konami, EA even Capcom for instance, you can see that they made the most money last year on the PS3. This is not different than on any platform.

That's why the PS3 is the lead development platform for all their games right? Oh wait... not it's not.

Those companies made more money because of the entire Sony platforms combined... not on the PS3 alone.

--> Eventually even die hard studios will see that they are at a disadvantage BY NOT developing for the PS3.

Why would they NOT develop for the PS3 in the first place?

--> This is Valve's wake up call. Sooner or later, the smell of profits will lure even the die hards. Valve is no different.

But with the 360 and PC markets... Valve doesn't need to support the PS3 yet... and it still appears that they won't be for some time to come. You're not upset when developers claim that their games will only be on the PS3... or can only be done on the PS3 are you?

[potenquatro]

Just because Gabe is a human with opinions and preferences. I for one welcome more games on the ps3, specially coming from Valve. Could you imagine if they manage to put STEAM running on ps3? I doubt it, but I bet if they do, everybody will be on their nuts.

@lociefer: Older gen games? You know Source is probably the most optimized engine in the industry right? You know Source debuted in 2004, waaaayyyy after last gen started right? kids today are so dependent of that "wow" factor, they can't even apreciate a good thing when they see one.

[El Botto]

Deal with the fact that you are delusional and cant refute facts.

Your big wall-o-text of post is full of failure. And quite frankly, there is nothing more irritating than to see a retarded response where some 14 year old is picking apart your previous post quote you 400 times over, each with a seperate reply.

You think Im going to read that crap? Learn how to properly response to someone first and then maybe when you turn 18 years old, Ill consider you as a legal adult and start to have discussions with you.

[ThanatosDMC]

Meh... i really dont care about Valve and consoles. I buy Valve games on Steam. All their games are meant to be played with keyboard and a mouse after all.

[All-3]

--> Deal with the fact that you are delusional and cant refute facts.

That's hilarious coming from you.

--> Your big wall-o-text of post is full of failure. And quite frankly, there is nothing more irritating than to see a retarded response where some 14 year old is picking apart your previous post quote you 400 times over, each with a seperate reply.

Looks like you've been practicing being a 10 year old.

--> You think Im going to read that crap? Learn how to properly response to someone first and then maybe when you turn 18 years old, Ill consider you as a legal adult and start to have discussions with you.

No... I don't expect you to read much of anything... you like to make things up, to soothe yourself to sleep. However - if it helps you... just skip past all the BS that I've copied from your initial post, and included in my first response.

[thesummerofgeorge]

You say the industry doesn't look at the fact that the PS3 sold more if you don't include the head start, but I think they would. First off I don't know if that's accurate or not, but if it is, it would show a higher growth rate, meaning potential future sales would likely be higher if it's selling more in it's time than it's competition. I mean it would be remiss of them to ignore the fact that one is selling faster than the other, even if the one selling slower has more overall sales due to it being out longer. Wouldn't you agree?

[Bubble Buddy]

Valve, I love Left 4 Dead. Played it at my cousins and had a blast. I'd buy it for PS3 but if they take long (which they will), I'll just upgrade my cr@ppy PC and get it there. :P

[All-3]

The units sales are one thing. Fact is - the 360 has a larger install base regardless of the circumstances.

--> I mean it would be remiss of them to ignore the fact that one is selling faster than the other, even if the one selling slower has more overall sales due to it being out longer. Wouldn't you agree?

I agree... however, since the PS3 is more powerful, and apparently more future-proof vs the 360... and since the PS3 sales vs the 360 compared to when the PS3 launched onward, are better... wouldn't you agree that it's strange then, that:

1) Most 3rd party games still aren't developed first on the PS3 and then ported over to the 360.

2) Most Publishers/Developers would want to help increase PS3 sales even more, so they could make even more money... by releasing the better versions of their games on the PS3, but they're not.

3) People keep forgetting that profits from game sales aren't the same for PS3 games vs 360 games... because development costs aren't the same. It costs publishers/developers more to develop PS3 games vs 360 games.

And no matter what else - having a larger install base which has generally resulted in larger game sales, and therefore profits - is going to get 3rd party publishers/developers attention more than anything.

---

--> poor sales of ps3 games? Just another popular misconception. Uncharted, Motorstorm and Resistance all sold better than Mass Effect, Crackdown and L4D on the 360. GTA4 almost equals sales despite a big difference in install base.

Uncharted: Drake's Fortune - 2.46 million

MotorStorm: Pacific Rift - 0.66 million

Resistance: Fall of Man - 3.6 million

* Halo 3 - 9.84 million

* Gears of War 2 - 4.95 million

* Mass Effect - 2.06 million (360)

* Crackdown - 1.5 million (360)

* Left 4 Dead - 2.27 million (360)

GTA IV - 7.11 million (360)

GTA IV - 5.65 million (PS3)

[thesummerofgeorge]

I'm just saying I think the growth rate of a console seems relevant to the industry. But since you asked, I don't think that a company developing a game for the 360 or PS3 first reflects badly or says anything about the quality of the system, clearly both systems have had great games that were developed for them specifically.

Maybe the 360's easier to develop for in general, or maybe it's just easier cause developers have had more time with it, so it's cheaper to start with it and port to the PS3. Maybe that'll change maybe it won't. I think if anything, how good or bad a port is says more about the developer than the systems.

Edit: Also all things considered, sure a larger install base is advantageous, but a higher growth rate implies that won't last, thus if a company is looking towards the future, this would be something to consider.

[thesummerofgeorge]

I wish people would cite where they get their numbers from. I'm not sayin your numbers are wrong All3, but it'd be nice to know the source.

[Anon1974]

All3 made the point that "The industry acknowledges that the 360 has a larger install base vs the PS3... and the 360 games give game publishers/developers more profits on their investments."

Now, this bit was apparently in response to the fact that the PS3 is being adopted by consumers at a much faster rate than the 360 and it's incorrect. The industry looks to the future, which is why I'm sure it's not lost on them how much faster the PS3 is catching on compared to the 360. If the developers only looked at install base we'd all still wading through new PS2 games, or everyone would have switched to the Wii and clearly that hasn't happened. That rather disproves your "it's all about the install base" argument.

Secondly - you are indeed correct, the PS3 does not have higher attach rates. Sony recently commented that sales of AAA games have a higher attach rate then the 360, but overall attach rates are lower than the 360.

However, the PS3 attach rates are consistent with the 360's attach rates at the 2 1/2 year mark, but the PS3 is approx 4 million consoles ahead of where the 360 was at this point in it's life.

Clearly there isn't an issue with developers and the PS3 from what we're seeing. Despite the Xbox 360 having 30% more consoles in the wild (allegedly) revenue posted from companies like EA, Ubisoft, Take Two clearly indicate the revenue generated by fewer PS3's is a match for revenue generated by the 360. Again, your points don't really hold up against the reality we're seeing.

Finally, as for the costs to develop a game on the PS3 being higher, it depends on who you talk to. Activision recently had their hissy fit complaining about costs - all sound and fury signifying nothing - but other companies like Ubisoft and EA have commented that the price of developing for the PS3 is similar to the 360 and PC (Sony has made numerous changes over the past two years to bring the cost of development down while increasing the tools available) Costs to develop for the Wii are considerably lower.

[thesummerofgeorge]

And that's the thing, sometimes people don't consider the PS3 is doing as well as the 360 did when it was at the same point in it's lifespan (I realize I'm generalizing). People sometimes expect the PS3 to not only already be caught up to the 360's sales in a shorter time, but already surpass them in less time, or it's failing. I'm sure Microsoft considered this as well, appearances carry alot of weight.

[Liquid_Ocelot]

FVCK YOU VALVE & Gabe "fa99ot @ss" Newell, FVCK YOU...

"ehh? how you like that you fvckin maric0n" -Tony Montana

[Traveler]

Unlike some of the PS3 fans here I really like Valve's games. I mostly play them on the PC, but I think it would be great if PS3-only owners could also get a chance to play them. I really hope that Valve makes some serious efforts in that direction.

[Raz]

Insulting someone in Spanish (even a Tony Montana quote) = instant agree + bubble

^_^

[mythamp]

I stopped reading the moment i read "Oh really? Better in what way? Not in unit sales worldwide." You simply do not understand marketing/sales/the gaming industry. It is not about the total sales of units, its the product lifecycle, xbox360 has reached maturity and is on its way down while the PS3 is still on its growth run. The main difference is being the steepness of the curve. Just put month by month sales of both machines from their beginning and see the results in excel through a line graph, you will see what I mean. PS3 sells higher software compared to xbox, the reason is obviously piracy in the xbox, (more units sold which get modded for pirated games and so developers make 0 from those sales).

Valve is now back pedaling from their previous stance, hoping to get alil good PR in the PS3 base, I am sure they are feeling likes fools and also learned from the activation ceo's episode to think before talking trash.

[I did not murder him]

These are the real remarks before they changed Valves words.

"Until we have the ability to get a PS3 team together, until we find the people who want to come to Valve or who are at Valve who want to work on that, I don't really see us moving to that platform.

"We've kind of learned a lesson in that again, if we were customers of that product on PlayStation, we'd feel like we sort of got the stepchild version of the product while the guys on the PC and the 360 got the sweet version of it."

http://www.computerandvideo...

[BWS1982]

Valve would "have decent coders" for the PS3 if they didn't shove it to the side as a "failure" 3-4 years ago when it was new tech for the rest of the industry as virtually every other dev. was getting familiar with it and the dev kits/demonstrations. Just getting to it now, I see? Gee, that "comfort zone" I keep seeing people call it must have been uber comfortable.

I also don't buy the whole "Valve is a small company" bit, they won a lawsuit for 2 million something a few years back, they have Turtle Rock Studios now, Steam has to be raking in the dollars, and if they can pump out 2 Left 4 Dead games in about 2 years, "getting around" to learning the PS3 is not impossible. Media Molecule is tiny and they've done beautifully with LBP on their first attempt. Excuses, Gabe, excuses.

[KingKionic]

I remember another article when valve said this. It`s great that there trying.

[theEnemy]

While other devs are pushing the PS3 beyond limits.

[LinuxGuru]

Valve games are really CPU intensive, as long as they're sticking with Source.

I think...once they've got some programmers that show Doug and Gabe just how much CPU processing power they can wrench out of the PS3...they'll jump for joy.

Until then...we wait. Or play their games on PC. Preferably PC.

[Fishy Fingers]

The source engine is CPU intensive? Perhaps if your CPU pre dates fire. The source engine in general is very forgiving.

[potenquatro]

When HL:2 came out I had a p4 3.2cpu and 5800ultra card. Valve was being a real btch about nvidia cards then(wich doesnt surprise me when they b!tch about the nvidia equipped ps3). And even though the card was completely dx9c sm-2.5 256-mb, it still reverted to dx8, unless you had an ATI even if it was less powerful. I figure if it was cpu intensive, that whole little story would've never happened.

[LinuxGuru]

What? The Source Engine IS CPU intensive. As they update it with more animations, more AI, more characters on screen....it becomes more and more CPU intensive.

Why do you think that you get such a huge performance boost when you play L4D with multicore rendering enabled?

[Persistantthug]

I remember that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[LinuxGuru]

Because of the increase in particle effects, AI, and increase in geometry and physics...the Source engine is now a lot more CPU intensive than it used to be.

[Mindboggle]

Who do they think they are ?? They think their the GOD developers and that everyones on their knees begging them to develop for the PS3. I dont even know what the deal is...

Yh half life was good, but the majority of their games have been average, and just the same thing re-hashed with new levels and characters...

[rayjelic]

Your right but it's mostly just media gathering around there jocks, Because everyone I know and forum with could care less about it, or just rather play it on PC.

[JD_Shadow]

They're the pioneers of the "PS3 is too hard to develop for" argument that other devs that tried to screw the PS3 out of (good) games tried to use. If they suddenly stop saying that and start developing quality games for the PS3, then it'll have a ripple effect on the rest of the industry, regardless of if they games sell well on the platform or not.

[madpuppy]

ANYWAY...It will be interesting to see if they will eventually upgrade the source engine, it is getting a little long in the tooth for modern games on the PC and consoles (sans the Wii)

[donnie-2105]

i think valve are really waiting to see if sony drop their price on ps3 hardware and if that price drop makes a big difference to sonys sale figures.untill then it is just not worth the hassle of getting the performance up to 360s standard combined with the poor sales of ps3 games.if activision are thinking of dropping support unless sony reduce price what chance has valve got of making money of the oddball ps3 archeitecture.

[table]

poor sales of ps3 games? Just another popular misconception. Uncharted, Motorstorm and Resistance all sold better than Mass Effect, Crackdown and L4D on the 360. GTA4 almost equals sales despite a big difference in install base.

Valve would definately make money off the ps3 because their games are well known and of good quality, it's just a question of whether it's worth the hassle since the profits wont be as big as other platforms because of the resources they would need to put into developing for the ps3. Hence they are considering the possibility. As for activision, they are making a healthy profit off of the ps3, they are just money grabbers who want to make even more profit like any business.

[ktchong]

Uncharted, Motorstorm and Resistance were bundled with PS3.

Mass Effect, Crackdown and Left4Dead has NOT been bundled with Xbox 360.

Do you know why Wii Sport is the best selling game of all times? Because it's bundled with every single Wii that's sold.

[El Botto]

which is also cheaper than a bundle.

People bought those games because they wanted that game with their system. Your point is moot.

PS3 bundles:
Resistance
Resistance 2
Motorstorm
Motorstorm 2
MGS4
Ratchet
Gran Turismo Prologue
InFamous
Heavenly Sword
Little Big Planet
Special MGS4 metal edition
World at War
Terminator Salvation
Dark Knight movie bundle
FF Advent Children bundle
Killzone pack

Shiat do I need to continue?

[ArcticWolfUK]

meh

theyve proved themselves to be arrogant c*nts, so they stick there games up there arse
they aint gettin my money

[table]

but if the game is fun why do you care? You're only doing a disservice to yourself, pretty much what the fanboys do to themselves.

[ArcticWolfUK]

it aint got nothing to do with fanboyism, i just dont like the developers, so i aint gonna support em n buy there games

i own a 360 and a pc so its not like i cant buy em

[gamingisnotacrime]

one of the reasons why u bought inFAMOUS is because i saw an interview to the developer team and they seem so dedicated into this game. i bought it and the game is phenomenal, just like Naughty Dog delivers, developer support is a big deal for the informed gamer.

[ChickeyCantor]

But even then, if valve consist out of rotten people, doesn't mean their games are trash.

I'm glad i bought the orangebox 2 weeks back, thought i would never like Half-life/eps1/2.
Hell i don't don't even know who the important guys are at valve. I played the games and enjoyed it. Slapped myself on the head for missing out.

[DMasta718]

If the game is great, why should I care about developer's personal life?

As long as the game is good, you have my money. Whether I don't like your personality or not.

[Saaking]

I really like Left 4 Dead and I need to get around to playing the Orange Box. Valve makes quality games and if they believe that they can't bring that quality that's expected of them to the PS3, then I respect them for choosing not to release anything at all instead of making a lazy port which would stain their reputation.

[mastiffchild]

But that shows them up as the frauds they are. Gabe is soooo much a MS posterboy(in his head anyway) that whatever Doug says gets scuppered on the PS3 front EVERY time it's brought up.

IF they're so damn good why don't they prove it, eh? I'm not saying port everything over. No, just one project to shut up the doubters and show what they can do-not exclusively-but on PS3 at least?

Gabe has spent his entire coding life opn things for MS platforms and doesn't want the hassle of changing the way he works, he's too old and too much in his safety zone and soean't want the first and second party Sony devs to look superior to him and his crowd. He's basically too scared and doesb't have the belief in his team to pull it off otherwise they would NOT deny themselves a stream of income that serves many other devs very well.

L4D is OK(great fun for an hour or two now and again) but HL is where it's at Valve wise and the godawful, though nothing to do with Valve, port to PS3 opf The Orange Box seems to have killed off REAL interest in making their games for platforms outside the ones in their comfort zone.

So, they're waiting til they hire some good PS coders? How long are they tking? This could/should have been pi55 easy considering most devs are really capanle by now and it shows thar really there is NO desire fir them to go to PS3-they might just fall flat on their faces and after all the talk they would look really daft if they couldn't pull things off like ND or GG wouldn't they?

So, are Valve THAT great? IDK, I really don't, but if they're not capable of coding for PS3 it suggests there's plenty better than they are does it not?

[kwyjibo]

Some of the best devs stick to single platforms. I'm sure you can name plenty.

Left4Dead was one of the best new IPs of last year, more critically and commercially successful than pretty much every other new IP. That's not exactly "comfort zone". The stuff that they're doing with TF2, the whole art direction of TF2 wasn't comfort zone. Pioneering digital distribution wasn't comfort zone.

I have questioned Valve's recent moves, L4D2 seems cynical to me, and I'm not a fan of TF2's unlock confusion. Still, to suggest that Valve aren't top tier soley because they don't do full multiplatform releases doesn't really hold.

[mastiffchild]

True, if it wasn't for the noises they make I'd agree entirely. When Gabe tells us the PS3 is a pointless platform and Sony should scrap it, then Doug occasionally says they intend to do something for it you have to wonder what they reaqlly feel or what the problem is.

If they want to say the PS3 is too dificult for devs and don't really change their tune even after plenty have secured both good results and good sales it becomes, to many observers, more of a comment on the way they see themselves, doesn't it? If it's too hard for them but not for others then what do they mean now?

Personally I don't, not for a second, doubt the ability that they have at Valve but they allow Gabe to create this situation and without Lombardi or whoever at Valve actually saying there's a game in the works it's all so much hot air, imo.

As far as I know the real similarity between 360 and PC is in the dev toolkits provided by MS, no? These apart the 360 and PS3 are just as different to developing for the PC (or so I'm told by people who are meant to know!)but to say at this stage that they still need PS3 coders seems either very slapdash, lazy or that they actually have no intention of doing PS3 games.

So, the fact they can manage on 360 while saying, earlier at least, that the PS3 is too much of a pain is part of it but also there were the reported ways they reacted when the rumours of a L4D PS3 version were put to them-derisory laughter wasn't the way to defuse the situation but , more pointedly may show their actual attitude to PS3.

Also, I guess it's really fanboys putting them on the "best dev" pedestal but still a developer with that reputation shouldn't be saying, not in public anyway, what Gabe has as it does make them look less skilled than they are when other devs with less illustrious CVs manage great results on PS3.

Mainly, though, I'm a big fan of their games and would like to see them push themselves over this and expand their fanbase and the empty promises are staring to frustrate me a little-do you believe they have ANY intent on the PS3 front? It's just a bit of a shame, that's all.

[Odion]

They are easly one of the best developers in the world and always have been. HL, TF2, CS, Portal, L4D, all very different shooters, who have achieved both critical and commericial success and all have dedicated online communities.

Not to mention Steam is unifing the PC sector as both a one stop shop for buying games, but also for playing them. On top of that they support their games with more free content then anyone else usually does, and continues to balance and support games far past their peek.

You call them lazy, but then I ask you what should we call Insomniac or Sucker Punch? Studios who are not owned by Sony but only make Playstation games, can we call them lazy developers who are just to dumb to make a 360 game?

You look at any of their games on any meassure of success and you will see that they blow most games out of the water.

1. Critical, L4D- 89 both platforms, Portal, 90, TF2 92 Orange Box- 96 both platforms, Half-Life 2- 96, Half-Life 1- 96,

2. Commercial- L4D- 3.5 Million, Orange Box- 3 Million, HL2- 7 Million, HF- 8 Million

Community- All games still have tons of people playing and creating for them

[tuaamin13]

"Left4Dead was one of the best new IPs of last year, more critically and commercially successful than pretty much every other new IP. That's not exactly "comfort zone". The stuff that they're doing with TF2, the whole art direction of TF2 wasn't comfort zone. Pioneering digital distribution wasn't comfort zone."

While I'm not going to argue that L4D wasn't commercially successful, I'm going to argue that it's totally in their comfort zone. The whole thing is basically a mod of HL/CounterStrike. "Oh, how about a zombie game? OK, that sounds cool. I mean, people play Zombies in Halo and whatnot." Do some play testing and whatnot, and look - "4 people seems cool. We'll make them have AI so you're not totally F***ed by yourself. Now what to do for guns? Well, we have the M16 model from CS, that seems cool. I always liked dualies from CS, so we'll put that in. Shotgun and rifle round out the arsenal (Silent Hill, RE, etc all have those guns)."

Don't get me wrong, those guys are creative geniuses -- take Portal for example. HL1 was crazy; I mean, you play as a physicist, not some machine gun toting soldier (nvm opposing force).

Art direction in TF2 is different, but not totally out of line. It's more cartoony and fast paced.

Steam, if you haven't noticed, is a giant DRM scheme to minimize pirating of their software. It just so happens it caught on and other people are jumping on board.

Valve is a very creative publisher, but to say they work outside of their comfort zone is false. They'll take the same sh!t (Source Engine) and repackage it till the cows come home. Similar to Apple and Nintendo. None of their tech is cutting edge, they just wrap it up and put a pretty interface on it. Not saying that's wrong, and at the end of the day they're drowning in cash where Sony is putting out the PSPGo to stop hemmoraging cash.

Now, I could care less about Valve games on PS3 since EA botched the OB port and Valve is probably just stating this to get rid of some of the fanboys, but WHERE THE HELL IS HL EPISODE 3!!!! Seriously, episodic packs were supposed to speed up release time, not slow it down.

[SaiyanFury]

Maybe I'm out of line here, but it seems Valve isn't interested in dedicating themselves to learning the PS3 architecture so they want to hire outside people who are familiar with it. I apologise if I'm wrong here, but that seems the lazy approach.

[ChickeyCantor]

But it also makes sense?
They do what they do best, and let a different team handle the PS3 builds. Adapting/learning takes time and could hinder their current projects.

Even if they don't want to learn the system, they atleast are open to form a team who can.

[Gitaroo]

well, great code isnt easy to come by. they should seriously look into integrating the phyre engine into their source engine.

[saimcheeda]

arent they?

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

But...Gabe Newell did win an Award for eating the most PIES in a minute!!! ;-D

'Touch Gabe'Jabba the Hutt'Newell's PIES and you will be Left 4 Dead'
;-D

+ I wouldn't buy a Valve Game in a BILLION YEARS after what he said about the PS3 in the past :-/ I hate Gabe as much as M$+ChavBots!!!;)

[Winter47th]

Whatever.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

Valve used to be one of my favorite devs, but with the lack of quality in their recent titles, I have lost all interest in their games. I thought L4D was complete garbage. The controls were an abomination, and the graphics were atrocious.

Until they bring out a new graphical engine I don't think I'll waste anymore time w/ their outdated software. And w/ the way they drag their feet, I'm sure the next wave of consoles will hit before HL3 gets here.

[OmarJA]

Guess Half-Life 3 Episode 3 is coming to the PS3 after all & maybe the next Left 4 Dead...

Anyway if i want them I'll play them on my PC.

[kwyjibo]

They're not PS3 developers, they don't have the right resources, and their current ones would rather make games than port them.

This is not news.

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Re: The Hunter

How does your comment do anything to address the point I made. Which, in case you hadn't got (because you're thick), is that "no news is not news".

This item has come up again and again, most recently, yesterday.

[The Hunter]

Duh, thats why they search for PS3 Developers, as you know all so well, why you do not apply?

[N4PS3G]

Again Hunter ... read the whole interview not a misleading quote from joystiq

http://www.computerandvideo...

original quote:
"Until we have the ability to get a PS3 team together, until we find the people who want to come to Valve or who are at Valve who want to work on that, I don't really see us moving to that platform. "

they are not building any ps3 team..i don't know where joystiq gets this crap...they don't see themselves moving to that platform either

they are just saying that if they wanted to make ps3 the games..they would have to make a team..but they don't see it happening. They would have done by now.

[JD_Shadow]

That's a completely different interview than the one that Joystiq mentioned (which happened today at the London event).

Sounds like you're scared of something. Maybe it's YOU two that should read THIS article.

[Tomonobu Itagaki]

Translate: "We have no problem earning more money but we don't want to do the job."
Asking Valve to develop on PS3 is like asking USA to dismiss NRA. It's not gonna happen.

[ultimolu]

Let's see what they do.

[dorron]

It's all right if they start to develop for PS3, but if they finally don't do it, I don't miss them anyway...

[sinncross]

Iv'e said this before, but I really think SCEA should try and handle PS3 ports for Valve titles until Valve can do it themselves.

SCEA knows how to utlize the PS3, they will be able to port the code etc to work on the PS3.

[Persistantthug]

EA is their current publisher for their retail level titles.

[TheTruth89]

Microsoft stop the payment to the fat-man?

Oh noooooooo he can't eat the burger now :( :( :( :( :(

[ktchong]

were Naughty Dog and Insomniac lazy too for not developing for the Xbox 360?

[callahan09]

That's a totally irrelevant comparison. Insomniac never said that they're not developing for the 360 because it's challenging, the reason they don't develop for the 360 is because they have a relationship with Sony. They develop Sony-owned properties under Sony's production dime. Microsoft doesn't own Valve's properties, and they don't pay the production bill for their titles. So it's completely different.

[ktchong]

This may come as a surprise to you:

Valve founders and executives - including Gabe Newell - were former Microsoft employees who became millionaires when Microsoft went public. When Valve was founded, much of the initial investments in the company were made by former Microsoft employees who are current Microsoft executives, (i.e., friends and colleagues of Gabe Newell and Mike Harrington at Microsoft.) Gabe Newell still hangs out and plays golf with his old pals at Microsoft. You can't say that's not a relationship.

[El Botto]

Because they are THIRD fking party, you fool.

Insomniac is second party which means they only develop for one system.

Valve is an independant third party that controls their own stake in the company and develop for every platform.

Like Bungie nowadays haha.

[mcgrawgamer]

actually insomniac is a 3rd party also. only IP's that sony fund are considered 2nd party. And Teddy Price has went on record as saying that the 360 platform doesn't interest Insomniac does that mean 360 loyalist should bash him, his company, and their games? No because it's his choice. You guys take this stuff way to seriously and the fact that you called the guy above a "fool" is a testament to that fact.

What's wrong with devs making choices to work on certain platforms, is that any different than consumers choosing which platform they want to support? No because it's all about choice.

Personally I don't want to pay for xbl so I won't I will however experience their games as I own a 360. but the majority of my gaming is done on the pc and ps3 because I'm a fan of games not consoles.

[theonlylolking]

Sony owns those companies. MS does not own VALVe or we would not have some of there other games.

[callahan09]

I'm not really talking about the independence of the parties themselves, but the mere fact that Valve owns their own properties, whereas the games that Insomniac develops are all properties owned by Sony. Insomniac gets funding from Sony, and Valve does not get funding from Microsoft. That's the distinction, here. And Valve are the ones who've basically said the only reason they don't develop on the PS3 is because it is challenging, which is why some people choose to interpret that as laziness: that they're not willing to overcome the challenges. I wouldn't go that far, personally. I don't think it's laziness, it's just resource management. If their games sell well enough for them without being on the PS3, and they would have to hire all new personnel and come up with completely different code to get their games running well on the PS3, it could make more sense for them at this moment not to put in that effort. It isn't laziness, it's business. If they're trying to get a team together that can overcome those hurdles, then that's because they've determined that it's a good business model to hire new people, utilize more resources, and get out an additional PS3 product to make even more money. But Insomniac is a totally different situation, because the EFFORT aspect of 360 development has never been a reason why they don't make 360 games. Thus the interpretation that they're lazy for not making 360 games makes even less sense for them.

[JD_Shadow]

1. Insomniac is called a SECOND party, which Valve is not (if Valve WAS, they would pick either the 360 or the PC and just make games for that pick).
2. I'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but you mentioned Naughty Dog. Umm...ND is...FIRST party. That means they are...well...kind of OWNED by Sony.

[Persistantthug]

Naughty Dog is owned by Sony.

Insomniac and Sucker Punch, are not "owned" by Sony, but Both of them have ONLY developed for Sony, except for SP's very first title on Nintendo 64. On top of that, they receive money from Sony to make their games and probably extra royalty incentives.

Don't be surprised if one day, sooner than later, Sony ends up acquiring/buying one of the 2 devs....maybe even both.

[gamingisnotacrime]

Looks at Valve profile...
U can stay 360/PC exclusive, nothing wrong with that

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Damn Droids want L4D and more HL so bad its killing em.

[dustgavin]

Nah. 360 are the ones that keep crying for MG and end up with a "side" mission with Raiden.

[saimcheeda]

we have seen only 2 or 3 topics about l4d....after mgs4 was released, for 1 year there were topics by idiot xbots like u that mgs4 would come to the sh!tbox360...and in the end like my SONY Brother dustgavin said u guys are sharing a side mission with us...its not even exclusive to u idiots!

[ChickeyCantor]

Would be cool if Half life 3 comes to the PS3( i dont have a 360 ) and im not much of a PC fan.

[xionpunk]

I think people overreacted about the Orange Box problems. The bigger problem is that Half Life 2 was kinda dull except for the last 1/3 of the game. Still, I'm gonna finish the episodes though, and Portal is kick ass.

[ChickeyCantor]

yeah the beginning parts are kinda depressing, i really had the feeling it "just started" when you near the end.

Eps2 is good though, think that one is the best one.

[chisox100]

So much for Valve being loyal to M$

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Valve are loyal to the PC and the 360 just happens to be really easy to port from PC. If you want to act like a dipsh!t direct it at Sony for making a non-developer friendly kit.

But if it makes you feel better just blame MS like a typical PS3 dolt.

[N4PS3G]

again ..this is what happens when you only read Joystiq incomplete and misleading quotes

the full one is here and they don't seem to have any plans on moving to the ps3.

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

" "Until we have the ability to get a PS3 team together, until we find the people who want to come to Valve or who are at Valve who want to work on that, I don't really see us moving to that platform. "

all of this are excuses in a pretty way to say " no we don't have no interest " If they really wanted it they would have done it years ago. This is just so they don't sound like complete douchebags.

Joystiq tries too hard ;)

[devilhunterx]

"until we find the people who want to come to Valve "

Clearly even PS3 developers know they are big douchebags.

And BAM! There it is!

[DiLeCtioN]

is this the company behind the Rage game?

[N4PS3G]

lol at the misleading Joystiq selective quoting ....Valve is not waiting to build any ps3 team

Doug Lombardi:

"Until we have the ability to get a PS3 team together, until we find the people who want to come to Valve or who are at Valve who want to work on that, I don't really see us moving to that platform. "

http://www.computerandvideo...

[JD_Shadow]

As I said above, Joystiq is quoting a DIFFERENT interview than this one you're trying to shove down our throats (look at when Joystiq says this event happened). They also said THEIR interview will come out later on.

Why you are trying to wave that CVG interview like a flag of honor now, I will never know.

[Persistantthug]

Clearly those are different interviews.....are you intentionally being dense about that?

[Memo-Xen x3100]

Here goes Valve eating their words! Or did Gabe Newell eat Valves words?

[ElementX]

I'd rather have them wait to get talented coders than release more garbage ports on the PS3.

[solidjun5]

The EA port wasn't so bad...if you didn't play the other versions. I played the Orange Box on the PC first but I didn't beat half-life ep. 2 until I got it on the PS3 ($10) and the framerate was annoying. If they could get talented coders, then that's fine. But make sure the game with your name on it, is up to snuff.

[josephayal]

LOOKS LIKE L4D IS COMING TO THE PS3 WITH MORE EXTRAS MAPS,BETTER GRAPHICS ETC

[Pandamobile]

Well, you're retarded.

[Cajun Chicken]

About time too.

[ak1200]

Thank you valve for your games i enjoy on pc ,thanks to a new upgradd gfx card they look pretty good, please!! dont make any ps3 games you SUCK at making them.
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[Da l33t Monkey]

Yeah right, false rumor alert.. Valve is NEVER going to release a game for the PS3, just like Bioshock will newer get released on PS3......... or wait?

[axerated]

thats...a turnaround i did NOTsee coming, lol. while it may seem like pretty good news and all its probably just a plan to temporarily slow the amount of abusive mail they get from the more disgruntled ps3 owners. me however, i don't give a damn, just give me left 4 dead 2 on my ps3 and me and u can call it even valve...

[blink3020]

But I could honestly care less

[mfwahwah]

I don't care what they have to say. They bashed me before, then took their swwwweeeeeeeeeeeeetttt time getting to this point. Which is still an "Oh yeah we respect PS3! We just don't program for it."

[ico92]

the only thing stopping valve from porting left for dead to the ps3 are ps3 coders not really valves arrogance. wow

[TheDeadMetalhead]

So after Gabe Newell rants about how Sony needs to discontinue the PS3 in interviews, suddenly the only thing holding them back is lack of coders. It would have nothing to do with the fact that they thought that the PS3 was a joke? Right. I believe them... >.> <.<

But if Valve ever do begin supporting the PS3, I want something other than Left 4 Dead. Maybe a new game series altogether?

[Blue22]

Valve, if you give me L4D on my ps3, I will buy it. Any developer bringing more goodness to my ps3 is more than welcome to do so IMO. I do not own a 360, but I have played and enjoyed games on them. I do wish I could play mass effect, but with my current financial status, I cannot. I do have a Wii, and would love to have all 3 systems, so I don't consider myself a fanboy. I am sure many people do not consider themselves one, but I get so tired of the posts on here. If you cannot dispute facts about a console without sliding in pot shots at another system, you are a fanboy. If you cannot discuss an exclusive without saying things like "only possible on teh Ps3", or "360 is maxed out", you are a fanboy (or girl). Do us all a favor and take the sly underhanded comments to the free zone. Okay, I have to poop so I am getting off the soapbox. But I shall return, o yes, I shall (pfft!)...okay, I got a turtlehead, gotta go for real.

[Pandamobile]

Wow, it's unbelievable how ungrateful the Sony fans are. First you b1tch about Valve not supporting the PS3, now they tell you that will in the future once they get a team of PS3 programmers and you say "No, we don't want your games"

This is just pathetic. Games aren't ALL about graphics (and this coming from a PC gamer). The Source engine offers great gameplay and great technology that Valve pretty much brought to the table. A full-blown physics engine in a game wasn't very common until Valve unveiled the Source engine demos in 2003.

The Source engine has been around as long as it has for a reason.

[ak1200]

As as ps3 owner, optimize your valve games for the pc ,leave the games like unchartered wipeout hd and god of war for the ps3 , fair enough l4d would be a nice title to add but dont feel like you need to.. code junkies

[Ray186]

Those guy's just realized how much money that they were losing by not developing on the PS3. Nothing more nothing less. What do you think that we are supposed to do? Give them praise because they are finally willing to port there old ass games over to the PS3.

Do me a favor don't develop for the PS3. I won't be buying your games anyway.

[Pandamobile]

This is what I mean by ungreatful. You're pissed that they don't develop for the PS3, then they say they will once they can and you're all like "WE DON'T WANT YOUR GAMES ANYWAY"

[Persistantthug]

It's been 2 1/2 years.

2 1/2 years of perpetual snubbing. As if to say "You and your game system aren't worth my time".

How should they be received Pandamobile?

After all the sh*& Valved talked and after all this time of being treated poorly, I think Valve should issue some sort of apology....that is, if they want PS3 gamer's money.

My take.

[Truth]

So Valve can't use use the Naughty Dog source code to help them make a half-way decent PS3 game? I'm pretty sure ND said they would let any developers use their code to speed up development of games. Unless they were talking about Sony first party developers only. Seems like they're teasing PS3 owners while MS lines their pockets. Who needs Vale anyway, I wasn't a huge fan of the new Half-Life port to be perfectly honest...

[ian72]

I aint bothered if they develop for ps3 or not. If its a good game then I will buy it for PC.

[Persistantthug]

Imagine Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, along with THE ORANGE BOX, all bundled together, and then you call it something like "THE GREENISH-ORANGISH BOX: The Apology Edition".

On the outside of the box it has an "I'm sorry, Love, Gabe Newell".
On the inside it has a target-bullseye foldout with Newell's picture on it.

If Valve came like that, with sheer comedic apology like that, Tell me you wouldn't buy it.....I would....it would be priceless.

What do you guys think?

[Chriswsm]

Valve are good at making FPS games,

I hate FPS games on consoles. Give me a PC, KB + mouse anyday. If HL3 comes out on PS3 & PC I would only consider the PC version.

[Pandamobile]

Smart man.

[ZOMBIEMAN1]

Gabe Newell has lost 40 pounds by going to subway . we take you now to Gabe Newell and how he feels about losing 40 pounds by going to subway .

Gabe Newell: This is the greatest day of my life and me and my friends at Valve are going to celebrate at Hooters WOOOOOOOOOW , come on guys lets eat BBQ & chicken wings until we explode .

ZOMBIEMAN: And now in other news the Wii has just been declared guilty for attempting murder on funny man, actor & rocker Jack Black more in 11:00

[Knightofelemia]

Wow that must be some strong stuff Valve is smoking to consider developing for the Ps3 shame once the smoke clears they will forget the PS3. Is it just me or was there an article on here a couple month back when Valve laughed at the mention of developing for the PS3 honestly I could careless if they put a game on the PS3.

[Pandamobile]

Valve's priority is PC development. Even 360 development is EXTREMELY secondary to the effort they put into PC. With PS3, it's barely on the table at all.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Why are Valve under so much pressure as a third party to support the PS3? While other 3rd party dev's are not critisized by dumbass fanboys and insulted because they chose to not support the other?

Insomniac? Why is the same level of criticism not leveled against them? When Kojima/Konami decided to support the PS3 only they were not called lazy developers or insulted but rather praised for putting their attention into 1 platform.

[Pandamobile]

Because Valve's CEO said in an interview a couple years back that he didn't like the PS3 or its architecture.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

There's the interview.

John Carmack (id's CEO) said pretty much the same thing and the PS3 gamers don't go apeshit over this...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[EpicGamerSwordsman]

I really don't care for Valve anymore, They've done nothing but hate on the ps3 for the past 3 years! they don't even bother learning how to develop on the ps3 because there too lazy, i played Left 4 Dead on 360, its nothing special, to me it just feels like an average FPS.

[f789790]

Cant believe they didn't do it earlier.

[gumgum99]

"Valve 'up' on idea of PS3 development, waiting to build talented PS3 team"

*hands Valve the humble pie*

here you go ^_^

[JohnP26]

I really can not wait to see what they will be able to pull off.

[darkvenom]

i'm not up for any valve games.i remain flaccid....i kid,i kid!,but seriously i don't care weather they make a game or not imho.