PS3 Attach Rate Up To 3.4 Wii Attach Rate Up To 3.6

Now that we know what the software and hardware sales are, what about the spending habits of the gamer? In other words, how many games does the average PlayStation 3 and Nintendo Wii owner game? The NPD Fungroup estimates that the tie-in ratio for both the PS3 and Wii are fairly close, actually. In January, the average PS3 owner owned 2.7 games, and the average Wii owner had 2.2 games. For February there was a notable increase, as the numbers shot up a point. Now, the average PS3 owner owns 3.4 games, and the average Wii owner has 3.6.

[wildcat]

I think many ps3 owners just needed to recover from the hefty purchase and there weren't many good games during launch anyways. I'm glad that the software is finally coming in.

[eclipsegryph]

You could say that about the Wii, though, couldn't you? Well, aside from the hefty purchase bit.

[Bebedora]

The sw/games definitely will come. Give the devs till fall and the mass will come....*l*

But honest to sony, I have to say the momentum when the ps drum starts to pound is there - in fall -07 and beyond. (no pun intended)

[SmokeyMcBear]

serious.. gotta get the credit card bill down to a reasonable level to purchase some games, some might be just like me whereas I use it as my home entertainment center... something is just so cool about cycling through your dvd collection and pressing a button and having it play. I only have resistance and vf5. I'm thinking about motorstorm and baseball 2k7. We'll see.

[ApocalypseShadow]

and plan on getting 3 more before the month is up.gotta do taxes and stuff.....and things.....but yeah,the attach rate just keeps climbing.

too bad god of war 2 doesn't count.

[techie]

First party PS3 games will fly off the shelves in the Uk with the £40 price - and hopefully third party games will follow - because it doesn't feel like Next-gen prices, which is nice.

[Bathyj]

Getting deals doesn't hurt either. I just paid off my pre-order for next week in Austraila. To give you an idea of what games cost here, normally they were $100. X360 games are $120. I just bought Resistance $88, Motorstorm $88, F1 $88 and VF5 $99. 4 games (I'm helping to improve that attach rate ;) for $363 is a pretty good deal. Plus as soon as I get it home I will register online to get my Casino Royal BluRay movie. I think there are giving 20 or 40 thousand of them away in OZ, cant remember the exact number, but I'll make sure I'm in early so I dont miss out. Next week is going to ube so cool. I better finish GRAW 2 this weekend so I'll have time to play my new games.

PS I forgot Tekken DR and Flow. Be gettin them straight away too.

5 more sleeps to go.

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kornbeaner 4.2
$100 might sound like a alot to you but thats what games have always cost here going back to SNES days. Even with X360 games going up to $120 its still not bad. Prices had to go up eventually. I'm not the kind of person who complains because they're cheaper in another country. A $60 game in the US would be $80 in Australia with the 75 cents to a dollar exchange rate but it doesn't work like that. It cost what it cost and if you want to ride you need to buy a ticket. I guess it has alot to do with where you live and the standard of living in that area. Games are a lot cheaper in Indonesia for example (mostly pirated, but even if they were'nt) its a 3rd world country and you wouldn't expect to pay $AU100 for a game there. Do you know how much stuff you can get for $AU100 in Bali? You even get a happy ending. Anyway my original post was just to show how happy I was to get PS3 games $32 cheaper than X360 games considering all the flack PS3 has copped over price.

Still 5 sleeps

[kornbeaner]

WOW!! I didn't know it was that bad. But is it more expensive with reason, I mean here in the states Min.Wage is $7.25/hr with about 16.5% of that going to taxes. So Even at $60 we in the states are always a little pressed especailly with the cost of living being what it is. In California especailly Fuel cost $3.20 a gallon and the avarage worker has to drive at least 35 mile round trip just to work.

So in austrilla, is it about the same as it is here as far as money made and money spent or is it worst? cause if it's worst, $88 would really be killer! for a game.

[Siesser]

I'm glad minimum wage is as high as it is where you live, but the FEDERAL minimum wage is only $5.15. States can have their own higher wage, but that's the national minimum.

[techie]

Australian dollars people. You get almost 3 aussie dollars to the pound. So au$100 is £33. So $88 is about £30 - bargin my friend!

If I was to buy games from the US - $60 would be about £30 so I'm jealous!

Fuel costs! America gets the cheapest fuel in the world! It's £3 per gallon here - so that's $6!! And don't be mistaken there are loads of poor people here, in fact even my mum can't afford it. The price of houses here is crazy also - there are no first time buyers anymore. My house cost £200,000 ($400,000) and it's just a two bedroom terraced house :o

[SmokeyMcBear]

that 59.99 dollar price tag looked a little up there for me.

[MikeGdaGod]

i got Motorstorm, Tekken, Resistance, Madden, Flow, Fight Night, and Virtua Fighter. keep em coming sony

[PSN Starfleets]

There are more Wii owners than PS3 owners. So the amount of transaction happening in terms of software, is still lower when you comapre it to the Wii and the 360 which had an attach rate of an average of 5 games per console.

I'm not boasting, and even though I'm not impressed with these figures, I still think it's progression considering the fact there arent many good games on the PS3 imo

[techie]

Of course starfleets but we are talking about game attachments - how many games a ps3 owner will buy. I think the 360 attachment is above that - but of course the library is significantly bigger.

[PS3Wii]

I remember all the xbox 360 fanboys saying how the PS3 only had 1 game per console attach rate, while their 360 had 5 games per console attach rate.

WOW, how things have changed!

The PS3 despite being the most expensive next-gen console has a 3.4 game to console attach rate.

It has gone up incredibly!

TheMart deserves to get hit in the face for saying the PS3 would have 2 game attach rate at the most by 2007. This dude is pathetic, all he does is rant about the PS3 not having games...he says and quote ''where are the games!!!''

LOL, I simply tell him to buy some new glasses, dumb fanboy.

[SmokeyMcBear]

I remember at launch it was under 1 game, due to all the damn scavengers trying to make a quick buck. It has more that tripled that since the end of the year. The Europe launch actually might bring that down a bit, just due to it being launch and i doubt that people will be buying 4 games with each purchase. Summer should be a good gauge of where things are going to be headed... its funny though, Europe still hasnt seen this lovely gadget. Good times are ahead.. good times.

[TheMART]

Sorry dude, I never said the PS3 would have 2 game attach rate at most through 2007.

I said this:

PS3 attach rate @ launch 1.5
360 attach rate @ launch 4.5

I expected the attach rate in february to be 2 to 2.5 at max. Not FIVE like many Sony fanboys believed.

So now it's on 3.4. That's still not five. So I was closer then the fanboys back then saying it would be five already then.

Still a 3.4 attach rate after almost a half year. The 360 had 4.5 @ launch. The 360 had 5.3 in October last year. The PS3 units sell slow, the games sell slow, period

@ AllroundGamer

Uhm Littlebigplanet? Well it's nice. But seeing Bioshock, Halo 3, Forza 2, Mass Effect come out this year I don't think Home (Second Life/Sims) or anything can cope with the 360 games + the premium online service

[techie]

slow period? Go buy some tampons :P

TheMart we don't need to get into a game comparison. What i can see what the 360 doesn't have is that it's games don't appeal to a wide demographic. It is still seen as a hardcore gamers console - and the games coming out for it cement that position.

The games coming out this year for the ps3 are wide and ranging and promise to be quality titles. We won't know until we see more of them of course, but hell I'm excited about some of them...MGS4, DMC4, LBP, HS, Lair, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone 2, Motorstorm, Resistence, White Knight Story, The Getaway, L.A.Noire, Ninja Gaiden Sigma (you can't ignore that - people, especially in Japan, are going to see that running on the ps3 and will want it), Singstar (big seller in UK), WarDevil (!!), 8 Days...

What you fail to realise when comparing LBP to those games is that LBP isn't just a game, it's a way of gaming (that's sounds so zen) - but still from the buzz we can tell it will appeal to the masses, even if obv doesn't appeal to hardcore gamers (aka fps lovers)

[SmokeyMcBear]

burn... i think

[AllroundGamer]

lol good one deepbrown :D he will need lots of tampons, when LittleBigPlanet comes out :)

[Black Republican]

are u kidding
u talk like HOME is like a game or something lol

little big plaet is kool and i like the idea but it is not a game, it cannot compare to any game sold by ps3 or 360

[techie]

Sorry I'm trying to find where Allroundgamer mentioned HOME...

Nope can't find it. LBP is a game and will be released in stores on disc...

That's cool Nas

[Spud006]

"slow period? Go buy some tampon"
I thought you were one of the mature ones. Guess I was wrong though still in high school mentality.

[techie]

lol Was that at the slow period comment? It was funny when I first wrote it but TheMart changed his punctuation! It was only meant to be a little quip. Oh well, shame we can't have a giggle on this site. I just find the American word "period" for "full stop" amusing - it's a culture thing. Oh well. Lost on some.

[Bebedora]

You have to give a little too...I would laugh at it no matter whom said what in this sentence. The point is obvious and spot on...

[Black Republican]

ur right
my mistake

[Spud006]

I like a good laugh as much as the next person but that is like the "...thats what she said" jokes which are immature and lame. I don't find taking a word out of context that funny. Maybe it's just me. And just so you know period in America period means "the end" not "full stop", unless it is talking about the menstral cycle. Which you seem to like to talk about for some reason. :)

[techie]

Dude it came to me instantly. It wasn't intent to be immature. It was an attempt to soften the already harsh conversation.

If you want the seriousness to continue and argue about a slight quip then do so.

You don't like taking words out of context? They are called puns my friend and have been the staple of a lot of comedy.

Hehe this is amusing. I'm getting targetted (fK) for a crap joke instead of anything with substance, kind of desperate. Look it amused me for all of a minute when the mart finished his sentence without the punctuation that is now in place. It reminds me of something they'd say on Monty Python "slow period you say? I just you buy yourself some tampons young sir". Ha. makes me giggle. Sorry for being immature on a site where we talk about GAMES. Now to go back to my work on what it is to be a person over time...

[TheSadTruth]

wow this is some random group that supports sony that is "estimating" these nice numbers... how about some actual news? Considering there are only 2 games for the PS3 worth buying, I'd consider this a bunch of crap.

[GaMr-]

"While some detractors may consider the next generation cycle off to a poor start," said a representative from NPD, "we think that improving tie ratios indicate strong demand for the relatively light software lineup on the next gen consoles, and we believe that once a greater variety of compelling software is released later this year, demand for the new hardware will increase."

NPD...

NPD....

[kornbeaner]

NBA 2K7, Fight Night round 3, Resistance:FoM, Motorstorm, VF5,

That's 5 right there, and this is a pretty diverse group of game all be it small list but these games are difintley worth playing and Owning. There more but these are the ones that come to mind as must have for any PS3 fan/owner.

[achira]

is this a joke ? why cant i vote lame for theMart ? does he work for microsoft, lol? this is unfair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TylerDurden]

Granted I know vgcharts isn't accurate but I do see a lot of Sony fans constantly referencing it. Anyways maybe I am misinterpreting the data but here is what it shows:
2.08 million consoles sold
3.4 total software sold.

That's an attach rate of 1.7

Edit 3.4 million total sofware sold

[Torch]

In chronological order: Knockout Kings, Marvel UA, Resitance, Virtua Fighter 5.

It looks as if my current attach rate's gonna balloon, come the end of the month, following the release of some anticipated titles.

[R34GTR]

Do yourself a favor bro... Go pick that up !!!

[Torch]

I assure you that I definitely haven't overlooked sweet lil Motorstorm...It's just that I'm all gamed out as a result of having TOO MUCH to play with between my PS3, PSP, and Wii (which has collected about an inch of dust as of late.) Errr...let's call it an attempt at 'efficient time management'...and that supurb Resistance has me jonesing for a little more fps action, which has me looking in the direction of F.E.A.R. later this month. R6 Vegas and Double Agent are looking quite tempting as well...and sheesh, I'm talking about the span of the next month alone!

AGGHHH!...Decisions, decisions!

If someone could recommend an effective 12-step program, (or divorce lawyer), my wife would be very appreciative.

Yup, good times ahead, baby!!!...well, that is if get to keep the PS3 as part of the settlement. ;)

[Bathyj]

I feel sorry for Rainbow Six. I dont think it got the props it deserves, maybe it will find more appreciation on PS3.

I came out around the same time as Gears and that completly (unfairly) overshadowed it. I feel so bad because I think its a much better game than Gears. Its just more my style of gameplay and I think the cover system is supperior too. Because you hold the trigger to take cover and just let go to get off the never find yourself getting stuck on a surface you tried to run passed or doing a roll passed a wall when you meant to put your back up to it. Plus having you soldiers breach charge a door while you go in through a different entry is just too cool. Prey is a good game but I'd suggest RB6.

[Sevir04]

Fear, oblivion, Armored core, rainbow six, and splinter cell is about to drop. so thats an RPG, a MECh game, Stealth actioner and 2 shoters freaking awesome stuff, although like i mentain, i'm not a fan of oblivion so i'll prolly pass on picking it up... but i do know plenty will. it got pretty high reviews on the 360, and they will in good right too, the game got a graphic upgrade. along with just about every other game thats coming from the xbox360...

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

I'm not doing my part. I only have COD3 and Motorstorm. For some reason, I'm not sure if i'll ever get resistance. I love it, but I have Unreal 04' on my PC right next to my PS3...why play anything else? haha. Besides, I gotta get through KH2, NOLF (i know it's really old), GOWII, and about 30 more rounds EACH of DMC3 and RE4!!! I think i'm good until Lair...

Deepbrown...you just keep doin' ur thing man

[lilwingman]

This is good news for the Ps3. At least when xBox owners try to laugh up the attach rate of the PlayStation it's higher than 1.5 now :). By the end of the year it should be up around 5-7 I'd think.

[FirstknighT]

Wow the ps3 fanboys are out with their fullblown childish comments. And DEEPBROWN????? I never seen you throw an immature comment like that. Again the Mart says nothing but a straight opinion with no immaturity while the ps3 fanboys come out with "get a tampon"

It just shows jealousy towards the Mart when u come attacking with stupid comments. Stop acting like babies. And you too Deepbrown, I expect somebody with 7 bubbles to talk with a level head.

So which one is going to reply with me with something stupid. Who is going to prove my point? And the winner is...

[Torch]

How about we all avoid replying to FirstknighT with "something stupid", and keep the peace and just let him enjoy a YET ANOTHER thread for a system - and a user base - for which he obviously loathes more than Dracula does sunlight.

No need to speculate as to WHY he - and Mart - continuously linger around such threads with so many "childish comments". Because there is no positive answer to that question. Although I would venture to speculate that the reasons border somewhere along the lines of either insanity, self-deprication, or sheer, utter lonliness.

Let's try to avoid adding further damage to Firstknight's shattered soul, shall we? Seeing that he puts so much faith in correlating the site's bubble system to "level-headed" comments, his lowly two bubbles much completely decimate the already poor self-image and self-esteem he has left.

See Firstknight: There's no need to hate us; some of us are on your side after all.

I eagerly await your reply.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Deepbrown a PS3 fanboy? Uh...no. He's the most unbiased person here! The mart is a deuschebag! He's like Hilary frickin' Clinton on this site! Everything he says is either a lie or just hype for a new xbox game!

and i quote "So now it's on 3.4. That's still not five. So I was closer then the fanboys back then saying it would be five already then."

According the the mart, 3.4 is closer to 1.5 than it is to 5. haha...anyone else catch that?

Mart..."premium online service"...haha...dude. It's not that much better than PSN. You act as if it's close to Xfire. Not gonna happen. I think Home will be a great app too. You're just trying to dim down everything for us because you can't stand to see the 360 fail when you've invested money and time and PRIDE into it. You're just not worth our "ps3 fanboys'" time

[TheMART]

You're wrong there.

I said I was closer to this attach rate with my prediction of 2 to 2.5 games sold by February on each PS3 unit then you Sony fanboys back then said 5 million copies of games were sold by 1 million of units (that was shipped like I said).

So 2 or 2.5 (which isn't at the beginning of February, but two months later at the end of March so more time to sell again) is closer to 3.4 then 5 that was stated by Sony (shipped again not sold).

You should learn to read

[FirstknighT]

"You're just not worth our "ps3 fanboys'" time"

Than why do I always see the Marts name pop up even tho he hasn't even posted??? It's like the sonyboys are obsessed with him. Be happy with the news, comment on them, and move on. No need for childish comments. Like deepbrowns "get a tampon" I haven't used that since 5th grade. Cmon kids!

The ps3 had a HORRIBLE attach rate during launch while the 360 had a FANTASTIC attach rate at launch. Thats all the Mart said. Those are facts. And OF COURSE it was gonna get better for sony eventually. Anybody that believes that the ps3 was going to have a crappy attach rate for over a year is just stupid.

[Bathyj]

A. Goin on and on about like its a big issue. Get over it. It was a joke. Not that funny but a joke none the less. Its not like he was being blatantly sexist/racist/consolist (something alot of you people on his case about the joke are).

The rest of the world doesn't say "Period". So to us, the fact you do, is a little funny. Sorry.

Does every sentence take a month to say? No, then why is there a period at the end of every one. OH NO I made a crap joke too, get your torches and pitchforks.

Why does freedom of speech only apply when you're talking?

[BBsin]

thats alot of Resistance and Gundam Musou in a PS3 household. I bet this is interesting from a developer's standpoint, ("release the game, and they will buy.... even if its not all that great").
Anyways... i would see how this would be logical.
I think the 360 had such a high attach rate b/c it Microsoft pretty much gave up on the Xbox and put all their effort into the 360 launch. Sony on the other hand is right now is still releasing AAA titles on the PS2 but the PS3 launch was pretty awful. And Sony didn't market it the PS3 as much as the x360.

[mandrake]

This obsession with attach rates is ironic given that all three console makers have professed a desire to attract more casual gamers. Casual gamers, by definition, buy fewer games than not so casual gamers. So any console that actually succeeds with the casual crowd should expect to see its attach rate decline. I'm no industry insider, so could someone kindly explain to me why such an inordinate amount of attention is being paid to the lousiest potential customers? Shouldn't a software developer prefer a smaller installed base that buys a lot of games than a larger base that doesn't buy too many? Anyway, if this equation is valid then the PS3 currently has the worst of both worlds, because it has the fewest number of owners, and they've been buying even fewer games per capita than the more numerous, and ostensibly more casual wii owners. At the moment, only one among the three next-gen consoles enjoys a good balance between a healthy installed base and a robust attach rate. Even if MS stopped selling any more 360s tomorrow, the current bunch of 360 owners has already demonstrated time and again that they could be relied upon to produce million-selling hits for their console. So notwithstanding whatever faults anybody may find with it, the 360 seems to have attracted the most desirable blue-chip customers in the business. On the other hand, assuming its hardware and software are as great as some would make it out to be, it looks like the PS3 has nonetheless gotten stuck with the motley sort of stiffs and pikers that game developers can afford to live without. If Resistance had launched with the 360 instead, I wonder how many units it would have sold by this time last year?

[Odiah]

if so then I have two.

[Torch]

I suppose my Wii attach rate would be five: Zelda, CoD3, Rayman, and Trauma Centre, respectively.

The major difference between my Wii attach rate and that of my PS3 is that the Wii games were purchased almost immediately, and closely together. The attach rate for my Wii has been, and probably WILL BE static for quite some time to come, as I quite honestly have no immediate intention or desire to play or purchase any Nintendo titles. In the first few weeks, the Wii was all the rage for me (and granted I still love my Wii)...but my lust is pretty much now deadlocked strictly on my beautiful big, black George Foreman look-alike. Because of this, I just know that my PS3 attach rate is gonna eclipse that of my Wii, and just skyrocket very, very soon.

Ahh, poor, poor Zelda...we barely got to know each other!

[SIX]

Yeah! I've got 2 as well then. That and Zelda. I have 5 games for my PS3 and 4 for xbox....I just got the xbox not long ago :P

[GaMr-]

I been watching the comment section on this post. R34GTR Just lost a bubble for making this comment:

15.1 - No MOTORSTORM
Do yourself a favor bro... Go pick that up !!!

The fanboying and abuse of the bubble system is getting out of hand on this site. I have an idea who would of voted him too. Im probably going to lose a bubble for this. Amazing. I guess this means after March 23rd. Or after PS3 starts kicking some serious Assss... Every PS3 owner on this site will have 1 bubble. LMAO @ FANBOYS...

I don't care... 1 Bubble and a whole lot of games. Plus im a contributor I can careless take my bubbles. I'll let the news do the talking. The Fanboys will probably then try to shutdown the websites the good news comes from. ahahahahaha....it is somewhat amusing though.

[kingboy]

I`m loosing my bubbles simply because i make positive comments on sony ,and worst to that only on ps3 threads not even xbox 360`s hahaha!you`ll notice how they try to shut DJ down by taking away his bubbles but fail to understand we`ll just give him his positive feedback...

[Torch]

My oh my, where were my manners!... Poor R34GTR was so helpful in providing me with advice and helping me choose a game, I forgot to up his bubble-meter.

Ahhh, there ya go. Positive feedback for R34GTR...and you as well, for your keen attention to detail, and overall contribution efforts.

Thanks again, boys!

[Bathyj]

Disagree al you like if someone says I like PS3 and you dont. But dont take bubble for it. Everyones entitled to their own opinion.

[TylerDurden]

This is basically a repost of what I said in post 14 but I am curious as to how the numbers are so different.
From vgcharts
America and Japan sales for PS3: 2.08 million
American game sales: 2.6 million
Japan game sales: 800K
total game sales: 3.4 million

That is an attach rate of 1.7

So
1) Who is more accurate? NPD or vgcharts
2) If NPD is more accurate why does anyone even use vgcharts? There numbers are so off. There off by 100%

[PS3Wii]

Vgcharts just gives a good guess at the numbers sold and then fixes it once the real data arrives each month from NPD.

[TylerDurden]

http://www.vgcharts.org/amo...
http://kotaku.com/gaming/np...

For example both top 10 lists are similiar and the sales totals are really close for the month of Feb.

If you look at the top selling PS3 games in Feb(Just for America) and their overall totals it doesn't add up to an attach rate of 3.4 3.4 would indicate that 6.8 million titles have been sold, if in fact 2 million consoles have been sold. However let's look at the top sellers:
RFOM - 81K sold in Feb and 579K sold overall
VF5 - 57K sold in Feb and 57K sold overall
MLB 2K7 - 34K sold in Feb 34K sold overall

There were only 3 PS3 games in the top 50 so let's take a look at top sellers in Jan that weren't in the Feb report. We can assume they haven't sold more than 30K copies since Jan, because if they did they would have made the Feb report

Madden - 84K sold in jan 302K overall
FNR3 - 58K sold in jan 139K overall
COD3 - 55K sold in jan 186K overall

So their top sellers combined to sell 1.085 million. Granted this is only American top sellers and some of the games don't include the Feb sales. However these are some of their top sellers and they are no where near the 6.8 million mark. I call BS on this 3.4 attach rate, unless their have only been 1 million PS3's sold

[Figboy]

Virtua Fighter 5
Resistance: Fall of Man
Motorstorm

I used to own Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, but I got rid of that piece of crap for God of War 2.

Oblivion will be joining them come next weekend (as i probably won't have the dough to get them come Tuesday.

it's a no brainer that attach rates will go up once more games people want to play come out (Resistance couldn't do it all).

I imagine once a few killer titles like Lair, Heavenly Sword, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma come out, the attach rate will get even better.