Even post-patch, Killzone 2 multiplayer has a bad aftertaste

ARS: Killzone 2 may have captivated critics and gamers alike out of the gate, but weeks in the trenches with the game's multiplayer component have revealed some annoyances that could turn off gamers of all types in the long run.

Now that the dust has settled around the widely anticipated and highly touted launch of Killzone 2, it's worth taking some time to look deeper at the game's multiplayer component. Sony's big gun, as it were, boasts one of the most capable, impressive, and fully-featured online multiplayer components that a PS3 game has seen thus far, but it's only after spending almost a month with the game's online experience that one can truly appreciate what works and what doesn't with Guerrilla's latest title.

Surprisingly, I've found myself enjoying the multiplayer side of Killzone 2 less and less the more I play it. My gameplay habits have changed a bit recently, and I've been playing almost nothing but Killzone 2 since the game launched. Initially, the multiplayer had me wowed as it did the critics and masses alike. Though I still held to some of my original criticisms, I was for the most part captured by the overwhelming and relentlessly frenetic feel of the game's multiplayer.

[Nineball2112]

I'm torn about KZ2 multiplayer. I have to admit that I've just recently started playing the MP.

It was very confusing to me at first, but now that I've got some play time in, I'm beginning to feel more comfortable with it. To be fair, it's like that with every MP part of games for me.

It has been pretty frustrating for me, but at the same time, it has me hooked.

Also, I think this article is a pretty fair assessment of the MP part of KZ2.

[sonarus]

So the basic complaint is only 4 turrets or 4 air drones at once. I don't see why this is a big deal... If every tom d!ck and harry could place turrets and air drones it will fuk up the flow of the game. In an environment like that a standard soldier could not survive.

Yes on one hand its frustrating when you aren't among the 4 turrets or 4 air drones but as soon as one turret/air drone is destroyed you can place yours down can't you?

The game was designed as a tactical shooter to encourage team communication and all that. You don't have to be in a clan to be able to communicate with your team. A couple of players just need to take initiative and feel what the team needs to get a win. I have only logged in 3hrs online but i have played with higher classes and though it may be overwhelming i still got my kills and i still had a good time without being in a clan

[Pennywise]

Only complaints I have about the multiplayer is no party system... lame. AND - The game breaking autoaim spaz lock. I played a team of Dbags the other night exploiting this crap and I have not logged back on yet.

Its bad enough trying to see invisible snipers, spot the saboteurs, kill the turrets/air units... Then you have to deal with people exploiting a badly implemented snap auto aim system. I dont know if this was in the beta, but where is the fix? It shouldnt of been included at all. Very disappointing.

[sonarus]

hmmmm what auto aim snap? There was one with the shotgun but i thought they fixed that with that patch

[Blademask]

Guess you have to pick your battles when you grasp at straws.

*yawn*

Best looking game
Best playin game
32 players no lag.

And AAA.

Ahhh, cant wait to get home.

[Nineball2112]

I guess I'm the only one who thinks the author of this article has a point! I didn't get the impression that he hated the game, just that he would have liked some things different. :-)

It is a fantastic game, no matter what. And I'm sure that as I go up in level, it'll become even more addictive.

GG just did an all around fantastic job.

[morganfell]

Agreed Blademask. They crushed that autoaim bug. The game has been eating into my SOCOM time online. And SOCOM is running like glass after the last patch. Tons of fixes and features in that patch.

I don't remember Ars publishing an article so soon after the release of Gears 2 about how broken the MP was there.

Killzone 2 has been a blast in MP. You get a bloody nose until you make Sergeant and get a shotty, sub, and 2 grenade slots, but it only takes one extended play session to get to that rank. Once you get there it really starts to ramp up in the fun department. The ability to swap badges between spawns is a really intelligent design move.

[Mrs Helghast]

This site is pure ARS.

[Pennywise]

You guys are right about the autoaim on the shotgun.

THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I am not going to go into detail on this, I dont want to see anymore people doing this... having said that, youtube is your friend for discovery in this situation.

[Blademask]

Menu working at a normal speed?
Easy To Join Friend?
Game-Freeze up gone?
Graphic Popin Gone?
Hang/Lag navigation just leaving entering games gone?

Tell me.Pm if u dont wanna waste bubble.

[Dacapn]

I must say the author is just dead wrong. Think this through: everyone is a tactician and is allowed to throw their two cents in. So you want there to be 64+ spawn points at once? Or you want 128+ turrets to be on the map? Comon this guy has no common sense. It ain't a flaw in the game. It's smart game design.

Then he complains about having to watch out for saboteur doppelgangers and invisible snipers...talk to your teammates dude. If a saboteur kills you, let your teammates know there's a guy running around that looks like you, or even if you don't tell em, be smart enough to notice that there's a guy running around that looks like he's on your team but has no green dot on the map. Connect the dots.

When it comes to snipers, I mean you simply have to play smart just like in COD or Halo, DON'T RUN OUT IN WIDE OPEN AREAS. Take the back roads, and don't be stubborn to keep running back to the spot where you got sniped from. The guy needs to grab hold of some basic FPS common sense and stfu.

[ActionBastard]

I think discounting a differing opinion simply because it differs from yours is lame. The guy has valid points, but ultimately, the MP is so good, it doesn't matter, imo.

[anh_duong]

these are the types of articles that will always get fanboys to mass debate

[Viper7]

I like the multiplayer, but there are few very big issues.

Spawn greandes thrown near and objective remove all the tactics from the gameplay, and make ppl abuse 3s safetime. Imo there should be no safetime so if you want to spawn next to enemy guarded objective you could collect your head from the floor less than a second after the spawn.

Second one is the noobs with their bazookas. Assault class really needs some tweaking :|

third is the auto-aim. Why the hell do we play competive multiplayer if the game Aims for us? I mean wth? hopefully it will be removed as its ridiculous.

[morganfell]

Why do you call BS and then ask if it working? Why call BS and then admit you didn't play it with the most recent patch? :(

I installed the patch that just came out. I did the install 3 days ago. I used to get the random freeze then rapid unfreeze bug. Kind of a halting. It was aggravating but I enjoyed the game enough to keep playing. That is gone. There wasn't any lag and I have played about 4 hours each day except for this morning (Just started RE5 late last night). No one that we were with in any games - and I only play in 32 player rooms - had any issues.

All of the games I played were unranked games - I can't stand people that whined about RPGs, AT4s, and 203s until they removed them in ranked games. Not to sound like a fanboy but I haven't had one single issue. Not one. And lying down with claymores now makes it so much easier to blow someone across the street without being seen first.

The constant chatter everyone had was about how everything was running smooth. We had 1 or 2 people say there was lag and they were immediately laughed at by everyone in the room. When the round ended the 1 guy that was complaining had 1 kill and was whacked 15 times. We've all seen that before and know the real cause.

[Blademask]

If You're lying...

(clobberin time)

[Kleptic]

I have nearly 40 hours in the multiplayer so far...nearly all medals, and all secondary abilities unlocked accept for the engineer (hate the shotgun accept on the smallest of maps)...

while I understand the frustration of how a team based game can deteriorate...you can't exactly blame the game for it...blame the morons who play it...

I have a group of 15 or so friends, some I know personally...some I don't...and almost never play killzone 2 without at least 5 of them...I have no idea what this guy dislikes about the squad system...pick a leader, and have him stay alive as much as possible (when I'm a squad leader I usually play as a full medic, with revive and health packs to heal myself)...then your squad always has a forward spawn point...this is absolutely critical when your team has idiot tacticians putting spawns where you don't need them...

plus squads have open mic anywhere on the map...making coordination on larger maps much easier...the only thing I dislike about it is that it does't have a burnout paradise type menu, where just a quick button press would accept the invitation or whatever...I hate having to basically pause the game and bring up the menu in the middle of battle...

aside from that...the turret and sentry stuff has to be that way...NO ONE would play this game if there were unlimited turrets everywhere...its bad enough having 4 on smaller maps anyway...

play with friends...get to know the people that play the game...checking the killzone.com forums will instantly get you a few names to play the game with...people that are not idiots, and play the game well...like this guy said...when the game works, there is simply nothing better...but because you do have to rely on other random players at times...it can get frustrating, as a lot of online players simply don't play in a way where they worry about their teammates...that is not the game's fault...

and some of us find that much more refreshing as apposed to the 'lone wolf' like nature of halo 3 or cod 4...while I think the rumored standard DM game mode (rumored to be called lone wolf actually, like killzone 1) with limited classes, or even a few new ones...will definitely help with people that do not want a team based game...I think most of this guys problem is that he simply needs to find some regular guys to play the game with...and then its easily one of the best online first person shooters ever created...

[Ju]

I don't call this article BS, I don't fully agree with it either.

The only problem I have are the spawn points. Its just crazy when both sides drop spawn points right next to each other close to an objective target. You spawn, you die. Within seconds. Everything turns into chaos and achieving the objective is basically a gamble.

They could fix that, to make sure you can't spawn to close to a target (for both sides) and also limit the distance between opposing spawn points.

On the positive side, its just amazing that even in that case that engine doesn't bow down one bit. No frame hitch or lag.

[nycredude]

First of all when is 14 days "almost a month" and where are all the articles that report after a month that a certain other game's multiplayer still isn't even working??

[EastCoastSB]

Well said. In those intense spawn battles with 20+ people spawning and dieing with grenades going off all around,I have not seen any slowdowns or framerate drops. It's fantastic.

My only gripe about the limiting of turrets/spawns is that it's forcing people to do stupid things like destroy teammates turrets. I put one down and a guy on my own team proceeds to immediately destroy it, and put up his own, IN THE SAME SPOT! I was so pissed that I went around destroying everything that he put up. I can understand if you do it to turrets place in retarded spots, but not doing it so you can benefit for yourself.

[ryuyasho]

GG needs to address this issue FAST!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

agree or dis

[Bubble Buddy]

The only thing troubling me now is a party system and a little one is fix the menu for clans so I can go down the list more faster.

[qshooterp]

that video you posted rhy is exactly how the game is post the 1.20 patch. Before the patch only the shotgun would auto aim now EVERY FREAKING GUN but the shotgun can auto aim. There was no trace of auto aim patched and now we have this terrably easy auto aim that is a bunch of bs. if you don't belive me that this was not present before the patch then delete the patch and play bots. You'll see there is no aim assist. I don't see y GG would do this except for all the babies crying about how hard it was to aim in killzone. Now it takes ABSOLUTLY no skill to play killzone. please GG remove all traces of aim assit and then I'll play online again. The way it stands right now the game is broken online

[nnotdead]

i wish there was no head shots unless you scope. i find it lame that i can be caught from behind, and turn and random fire to get a head shot. if you had to use scope to get a head shot i would like it.

also last time i played i had a shotgun, and i shot a guy point blank from beyond. thinking he would die i started to run by, but he didnt so in a panic i swung and was now point blank in front. shot again and still didnt kill him, and before i could shoot again i was dead. i dont know whats the point of a shotgun if it takes 3+ point blank shots to kill someone.

[IcarusOne]

Can we all take a long, hard look at the picture in this article and finally admit KZ did NOT achieve the target it set out for itself? This is clearly from the trailer. No where in the game do the character models look this good.

[boodybandit]

is the enemy can see your spawn point (smoke) when you create one away from your base spawn. Why allow the enemy to know with smoke where an enemy spawn is located?

Bottom line, like many have already written here, this is a team tactical game and if you don't have a team willing to play as one you will get destroyed. The only exception being Body Count.

[GWAVE]

This guy sounds disappointed that this game isn't a Halo clone, when it was very clear long ago that this game was going to be more tactical and team-based along the lines of Counterstrike or Team Fortress.

He basically says "Waaaaaa! I can't go solo and take out ten enemies in a row!" Well, no crap. That's how the game was intentionally designed. The ranking system he complains about is also extremely well designed. You can choose to play at your rank, below your rank, or "all ranks". This is great for starting players, because it means as you play the game, you're not going to get thrashed by tons of turrets and snipers. It also ensures that the better weapons are going to be in the hands of the more experienced players instead of everyone running around with rocket launchers.

The guy complains about how too many of "X" class is running around. Again I'll bring up Counterstrike and Team Fortress. Has this guy ever played a team-based/class-based game before? Mere weeks ago, Team Fortress 2 players on PC were plagued by a glut of Scout users when the new Scout upgrade came out. That's how class games go. When a bunch of people start unlocking a class, they use it! WOW! This guy should probably have complained 2 weeks after Call of Duty 4 came out when everyone unlocked the .50 cal and was whoring it out.

Lots of his other complaints (like how the squad system takes SOOOOOO long) are just silly.

For gamers looking for a NEW multiplayer experience instead of another wannabe clone of Unreal Tournament or CoD4 (not saying those games are bad), KZ2 is fantastic and fresh. The maps are different than almost every other shooter out there. The badge system is unique. The "Warzone" match type is unique. Just play the game and enjoy it for its own strengths.

[ASTAROTH]

is thet they are expecting KILLZONE 2 MP to play just like CALL OF DUTY!!! AND this is NOT COD!! Killzone plays different they cant live with this but yet they post a long article that I read in the morning complaining about it. As I said in other treads ARS is just a fanboy site where lots of xbox fans post believing they are ultra techie smart gamers!!

BTW EVEN PLAYSTATION FANS are not being FAIR with KILLZONE 2. Most of them ( and I have some friends) just critizice the game for not being CALL OF DUTY and dont give it a try. They judge it by the demo which is a shame. I believe thet its our fault (PS3 FANS) if the game doesnt sell the millions everybody expected. Thats what I like about 360 fans...they support their console buying games!!! We PS3 fans only are willing to pay for just another FPS with the COD name, for another non zombie Resident Evil, another GTA and their clones. We support that and developers know that. Thats why we have lots of sequels because we dont support new IPs like Death Space (a better survival horror game than RE5 in my opinion), but we are willing to pay CAPCOM 5 bucks just to play online. If CAPCOM succes with that...if we buy this crap...we well see other devs adopting this stategy.

We are willing to pay for sequels yet we dont supported grat games like Heavenly Sword, R2, Motorstorm PR, Little Big Planet and Killzone. It would be really frustating for SONY to pleased its fans. They are trying their best and we spend more of our time complaining about every aspect of their games. I would have talked about the press and journalism but in this time of history everybody knows how biased are their words...JUST LIKE ARS.

[mac4u10]

stupid artical killzone 2 multiplayer is the best muliplayer action to date period!!!

[sajj316]

It tasted quite delicious to me ... different strokes for different folks ... eh?

[TheHater]

or some little b!tch is just trying to get attention?

[myothercar]

Yeah, his primary complaint (that you can't have infinite spawn grenades and turrets) is actually more of a compliment for the game. Who wants a million spawn grenades with enemies and turrets popping from every direction? There's GOTTA be a limit on this kind of thing.

Spawn points would be better if they were limited to like 5 spawns and were destructible. And turrets would be better if they were more powerful.

As far as spawn grenade and turret availability, I think it's fine, absolutely fine. It's the only way to keep the game sane. I like the added strategic element it provides- waiting for the box to light up that says you can place a turret/spawn point. It's little different than the limitations put on Saboteur disguises and Sniper cloaks and Assault speed boosts.

You have to take everything people complain about with a grain of salt- some of these complaints are just people whining that it's not Free-For-All-Chaos-Generator-3 000. I mean, the game's already chaotic as it is. If anything they need to nerf some of the classes, not give them MORE free reign...

[cLiCK_sLiCK9]

But one thing i do have to complain about, is the Air Support Ribbon.
Do you guys know how hard it is to get 5 kills in one round with that that air support? Heck, you cant even control it. Your just basically wishing and wishing you get those five before the round ends. 50/50 chance. Requires no skills what so ever.

And on top of that, not only are those bots weak, they seem to be the center of attention. As soon as someone spots one they almost immediately try to take it down. Why? Because they're weak, easy point, and the chances of that BOT killing you is very low.

Guerrilla Games should change that Ribbon completely or at least make those Bots stronger. IMO I think thats the hardest Ribbon to achieve.

[PirateThom]

Noobs crying still?

They've already changed it to appeal to your noobishness, stop gimping the game.

[BBBB]

if he hates the game why is he playing it non stop till it was released

[free3sixty]

cool gane, great graphics.. more hyped than MGS4, should have at least 2-3 million sold in first week (the 360 had less units sold as the PS3 right now when Halo3 came out but it did 4 million).

Many negative points about bad controls and so on.

This game will be forgotten in 6 months.

[SWANN]

You will be forgotten in 6 months.

[LTC]

Your name says it all. All 360s should be given away free. There so crap.

[Mr_Luke]

Ah, i hate fanboys.... over all the ones who puts the name (or part of it) of the M$ console in their nick.... pathetic...

[redsquad]

"Forgotten in six months"??
Not by those who actually own it, me thinks.

[DoucheVader]

You are funny. :) Made my day! Silly man you!

[doshey]

ya i bet something else leaves a bad aftertaste in his mouth

[TheTwelve]

Yes...the only thing physical that is better than this game is sex.

The multi-player is so beautiful and addicting...and I HATE FPS games.

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[TheGuardianFID]

Burn lol!!! :D

[Fiona]

i love the kz 2 mp. Having tons of fun with it. no complaints here.

[dacrowxc]

He probably sucks at this game this game thats why. Instead of blaming himself, he tries to find useless excuses.

[Gun_Senshi]

-You can only have 2 Air Bots per team, easy to kill
-You can only have 4 turrets per team, just pistol shoot them
-If you are getting spawn raped go to another spawn point
-If you are getting base raped go thru the back exit and kill the base rapers with grenades
-Controls are the BEST for console FPS. After playing it, it renders all other FPS on consoles useless
-Objectives are easy to acomplish if you have half a brain
-You can join in small player number server
-Most servers have auto balance, Clan people cannot be always together
-I found alot of comunication on KZ2 random matches

L2P

http://www.killzone.com/kz/...

[Elvfam511]

I need KA (Killzone Anonymous) people say am to addicted to it
It has ruin my life lol

[ia_studio]

Lmao that happened to me with little big planet I got bored of the musics, but in kilzone2 YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN MUSIC, UR SCREWED FKN SCREWED... so am I TT^TT

[cpuchess]

I don't see that limiting the number of turrets is a bad thing. The only problem I have with it is that my team can destroy them so they can set theirs up. Only the enemy should be allowed to destroy them. Overall I think it's a great game, I do wish they would fix the online bot issue though.

[Elvfam511]

OO that's why your limited to turrets sweet i did not know that
I guess thats pretty fair using air support sucks i hate it

[Socomer 1979]

some people just need to set thier parameters.

play a smaller amount of people.
turn friendly fire on.
just play bodycount/team death match.

that way its less confusing for you and people are more cautios about thier grenades and gunfire.

[bewrong666]

it's either the author sucks at the game and keeps getting pawned :P or his a total xbot

[free3sixty]

well and at the end this "crap" will beat PS3 this gen:)

sry dude, but the PS3 wont reach 360 sales this gen.

The more interesting think is IF even a price cut could help SOny.. cause the ps3 sold better for 599 USD as now for 399 :)

[talltony]

can you say that? how? what the hell do you think is gonna happen when ps3's price drops $100? of course it will outsell 360 in long run cause they are selling at the same rate now at $200 more.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

The More i play it the More i LOVE IT!!! ;-P ;-P ;-P

[trancefreak]

For sure man im a killzone 2 mplayer addict.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

Yeah ;-P All week i have been just playing -
-RADEC ACADEMY Level- IT'S A CLASSIC!!! ;-P
-TEAM DEATHMATCH- I Just Wanna KILL!!! ;-D
-ROCKET LAUNCHERS- I LOVE the Mayhem!!! ;-D
-A'bit'of'DRUM&BASS- Gets me PUMPED UP!!! ;-D
(+Some good Trance Music gets me Pumped-up to!!!)
=
-HEAVEN-!!! ;-P ;-P ;-P
Think i'm Rank '8000'ish now;)
+ There is Loads of stuff to do in the game on-line if you want to.

[Andras84]

But I think it's good enough. Just good enough. I'm more about the single player anyway!

[McErono]

he has to go out of the game for squad management? what about the select button dude?

well it doesn't matter. it was clear that the cod and halo fans come up with **** but who cares? its better than those, that matters to me.

anyone complaining about the controls is a sissy :-)

[maverick1191]

free3sixty

shut up the 360 is priced like that because its hardware is so poorly built the ps3 is not far off the 360 and its $100+ more so it seems the ps3 is doing well shame this year the 360 will fall when all you have is multi plats to keep you entertained and the ps3 has that and lots of good exclusives coming out

you need to get off what your smoking pal

[dkgshiz]

The kz2 hate is getting intense now. Ha, keep fighting the good fight bots. While I go play KZ2.

[LorD]

He is complaining because he can't play the way he wants every single time.

Its called team-play, if you want to have all 4 turrets, and all 4 drones at all times, then set up a game and play against bots.

[free3sixty]

PS3 is not far off the 360 ??

8 million units is not far?? and the PS3 has since 5 months lower sales world wide as the 360. EVEN IF the ps3 would sell like Nintendo Wii right now, it would take 2 years to be on par with the 360 while the 360 would be around 34 million.

Its just impossible for Sony, cause the 360 sells really great. The funny think is how PS3tards NOW complain about POOR 15k sales in japan for the 360.. as the ps3 was ALWAYS at 10-15k.. its just right now at 40k because of some good releases. Funny retards.

So if ps3 sales drop to 10-15k again you will say that he ps3 is dead in japan? no.. you will say that the 360 has only 5-7k.. LOL! Selfowned!

and hell yeah.. you have ALL THE EXCLUSIVES.. you also had more in 2008 as the 360.. the funny part is that MSFTs console sold 2 Million units more just with multiplatts xD. Its just known that the PS3 is BS in multis.

YOu can come with your BS shooter like resistance.
Good game but not for casuals -> uncharted
And all the other no name exclusives which sell 200k :D

All ppl around the world want to play need for speed, fifa, NFL, gta, some beat em up, Halo, Gears.. THIS are games with NAMES.. and a NAME moves a console.

Need for speed sold more that GT5P
Lego Indiana jones on 360 sold more than LBP on PS3.. (both bundled).. ppl just dont care about sonys BS.

The only game i wish on 360 would be GOTY MGS4.. best game ever.

[brycespitler]

its less than 7 million

microsoft said 8 mil but they were proven wrong when the worldwide numbers were released

it was a big thing at the end of january and beginning of february on this site

do your research b4 you make stupid posts you silly fanboy

[Why dis]

Less than 7 million? IDIOT...

Every month PS3 fanboys lower the number despite the PS3 being outsold lol.

[agent024]

shut-up fcking bot.

[Dacapn]

I'll leave the number crunching to the shareholders (the people who actually benefit from sales) and fanboys (the people who don't).

I've got the best FPS on the market, and that's all that matters to a gamer like me.

[redsquad]

"I've got the best FPS on the market, and that's all that matters to a gamer like me."
Amen - Do the bleating fools think their words are actually going to chamnge anything now??? The game is here, is brilliant, and I'm loving every minute of online play (and that's coming from someone who has, until now, loathed the online experience in other games)

[themyk]

it's really poin tless to compair console sales. XB 1 year early. The only way we can compare is if realesed same time. Plus do you really think the xb is gonna make it another 7years? I mean let's be honest here. Ps3 is gonna be here that long. I give xb 2 3years tops before they release the 720. So I think Sony well make up that 8 mill in those 4 years. If not sooner. Let's stop kidding ourselfs here people. Hey mavrick go watch that infamous trailer and come back and tell me what u think. Because when I see games like that coming to the ps3, the sales race is the last thing on my mind. But then again I'm a gamer. U are not.

[divideby0]

I dont if this dude knows what he wants. He is all over the place in the article.
You DONT have to be in a squad it DONT take you out of the action if you are.
For ME, the only real issue with MP are, NONE which are gameplay breakers:
1. No Party System for Friends
2. You can still cheat to rank up (ranking should be on official dedicated servers)
3. Higher ranks do have big advantages over lower ranks

[Socomer 1979]

dont you get that call of duty is so very easy?
It really is. Like-too easy.
That's why I play advanced shooters where you need a brain & is more personal like:
socom, mgo, killzone, resistance.

These games require much strategy than just getting 3 kills for radar.
There's nothing wrong with cod. Its very user friendly but people have to understand that a group of really hardcore shooter fans like complicated team oriented genre advancing games. Is that really a problem to the guy who can't pull himself away from cod4? Cod4 is old. Really old & really simple. That's fun but some games should only be fun when you've mastered it. Some games should be a pain in the a$$.

Variety is the spice of life. Get some.

[Juevani]

but i disagree with u cus i think that it was a smart design move from GG to not take away the attetion from the shooting cus overall its a shooting game and not a tactition or an engenior game.. but i wish they could've maken the badge system even deeper than it is( which is possible by an update) and i actually think they will do that, like making a DLC to give a new ability to ur bagde or new badges, and u can either buy it or earn it or something. what ya think about that haaan??

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[DragonWarrior46534]

I too was addicted to Killzone 2 like I have been COD4 for 2 years now. Thing is do I can relate to this guy except for wanting more turrets and the like. My biggest annoyance is not being able to invite my friends. It would be fine if we could still play against bots so you and your friends could just play against them, but they screwed us with that. So now I can't even play with my lower classed friends unless they find a game that has team unbalancing on, but by then its been over 15 mins or so just to find the same game, and thats using the phone to coordinate it all. Its lame.

[brycespitler]

what is the deal with ppl still throwing that 8 million claim when it was proven wrong?

but back on topic...

i love the multiplayer... its called a tactical shooter, not a run and gun...

these sites need to stop being crybabies... put the controls on alternative 2 and use your head when your playing

the only thing that i want changed is the assault soldiers with the rpg's it gets real old when i get killed by my own team mates when they try to shoot the enemy and it gets very old that ppl will commit suicide with their rpg just so they can kill me. ITS BULL SH!T!

[redsquad]

Amen again.
Ultimately, playing games is for fun. What the hell kind of fun is it to stand outside a room in relative safety while pouring rocket after rocket through the door to take out four or five players at a time.
Do they get a 'big man' sense of achievement out of doing that? Does it make them think they're "great players" to shoot infantry in the face from 10 yards with an RPG?
news for ya: That isn't 'skill'. I turn the damn things off when I start a game.

[brycespitler]

i need to find your games then

[astronautbread]

it doesn't seem like anybody got the point.

he's not at all implying that you should be able to endlessly create turrets and spawn points, just that there may be a better way of managing it.
because as it stands if a nub is running around placing turrets, he can place 4 by himself that may or may not be in useful spots. and they actually prevent a skilled player from being able to place his own.
it shouldn't be like that. maybe there could be limits on how many players could use each badge on the same time or something.

my personal suggestion would be:
you should be able to set your preferred character type (weapons, badges, etc.) as well as faction outside of the game.
then when you search for matches. one's that have a slot open for your badges on your faction would show up first on the list. (or have an option to only show those games.)

[Pennywise]

We got his point... wah wah wah

[astronautbread]

based on the argument here.. i really don't think so.

[beatrixkiddo]

no, we do get his point. What we are saying is that KZ2 MP was made as a team-based communication manadatory game. You have to get every team member on one page and say ok, Engineers are putting turrets here and we need spawn points at check point B, etc. . If some noob is running around placing spawn points in random worthless places then he should join a different match or to his disliking, clan. What he is saying is that not every hardore gamer wants to really get into the whole clan system where you have to strategize every match in order for you to win. He wants to jump in any old game and be able to do well. It's a good argument, but the problem is, it's not that GG overlooked this problem, they are just not catering to his type of player. His type of player should realize that CoD 4 is a better match for his gaming style. I do agree with you on fixing the matchmaking system. That would rock to search for example. Saboteaur and only matches that have teams with open slots for that class would pull up. Good idea!!!

[soul-sama]

killzone's multiplayer is fun as hell

[beatrixkiddo]

no it's not, it's fun as f___!!!

[ironmonkey]

I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS SOCOM HAS BEEN WORKING VERY SMOOTH NOW

[iceman2885]

As it is, the only way you can communicate with players in other squads is by being in proximity with them or in the 'pre match' screen.

I would add in a feature so the squad leaders can communicate with the other squad leaders at all times, similar to the way squads can communicate with each other at all times.

This would allow those who want to organize and achieve better balance of their team's classes for the most effective strategy.

[maverick1191]

free3sixty shush sales mean nothing typical xbum bumming off sales go play kz2 oh wait its not on your console

unlucky

the ps3 is bound to be in the place it is because of its price dont think your xbox is doing so well when nintendo completely sh!ts on it in sales people buy the console they can afford its just most people can afford a wii and a xbox because they are under 200 not everyone has $300+ for a console

plus where are you getting these figures from pal if you dont have no source to back it all up espec about figures your talking complete BS your a waste of space mate go and turn your radiator on and play your multi plats

no backup on figures = FAIL

everyone knows that mate lmao owned

[Socomer 1979]

socom is such a serious game.
Apply real life tactics & it looks really good.
You can be stylistic & play like a ninja or run & gun like Rambo.

Oh, btw if you dont like where a team member placed a turret in killzone 2 then blow it up!
its not wrong & its not wrong to set up your own match.

[Why dis]

Doesn't have solid enough controls for multi player.

[ia_studio]

Says you, who doesn't know how to use the options menu... dumbass
KILLZOWNED! nuff said

[doshey]

the dumba$$ dont even have the game

[FFXI101]

Bawahahahaha, that's funny. A bubble on me.

[mario888]

That seems to be the way Online gaming is going - Auto Aim Assist so Noobs can just jump right end and become an instant killing machine.
Too many people are so used to Halo and COD Auto aim they can't adjust when a game doesn't have it. The only thing they might have done to make K2 more popular is allow you to create Online Games with Auto Aim. That way all the noobs and casual gamers can be happy. That is also why alot of gamers just suck these days because they are all so used to auto aim once you give them a game with out it they complain that the controls suck.

If you want to do real Intense Clan battles that test your skill then Killzone is the game you need to get. If you want to do Noob Clan battles with Auto Aim then stick with COD or Halo. and that is the problem with most gamers

Everyone who is a true Hardcore Gamer has to get Killzone for the online Multiplayer.

Disagree all you want but it is what it is.

[NegativeCreep427]

Why the hell are you still talking?

Don't you have an appointment with a dermatologist or something.

[likedamaster]

You mean this... http://www.youtube.com/watc...

LOL

[Petraeus]

Eh, his point doesn't really matter on N4G because the majority of people that post here refuse to even contemplate the fact that he MIGHT have a valid complaint or two.

[Mr PS3]

Was a cloaked Spawn killer
And all he had was his pistiol(you get infinate ammo with your pistol )
everytime i spawned and ran down the steps that was it dead
spoilt that particular game
so they need to take the infinate ammo away from the pistol

[DNAgent]

You want them to take infinite ammo away from the pistol because you either suck at the game or had a horrible team? I don't see how you could get spawn camped by a sniper who uses a pistol. After the first kill he would be dead as he would have to wait for his cloak to regenerate and most people would've killed him off easily.

[-PINNER-]

I just wish that they would change the squad function. Make it expandable up to 8 or 12. And allow people not in a squad to talk to everyone on the team.

[Reibooi]

Personally I think this guy is just blowing alot of hot air. I have not been seeing that many engineers and tacticians online and I have been playing about 5-6 matches online each day sense the games release.

The badge system works great and one thing you need to keep in mind is that the recent patch was more about tweaking the controls then anything else. So we will not see true tweaks and what not to the balancing and badge system for a few more weeks or months at the least.

My only real complaint so far about the multi player is that it takes a bit to long to unlock everything and for the casual player that may be a problem. But otherwise the game is incredibly fun and intense online. Who cares if it caters to much to clans. Considering how easy it is to make a clan in the game I would really not complain about that.

[DelbertGrady]

Killzone 2 is teh bestest game ever! There should be laws against criticizing it. Halo 3 and Gears 2 are broken because they got the controls right from the getgo. Who needs that anyways when you have graphics? Killzone 2 will sell more than Gears 2 day 1 and be a system seller just like Resistance 2 and LBP.

[FFXI101]

People who have problem with KZ2 and complain about it are the ones who $cuk at online matchs. They don't wanna look like fool so they blame the game and the developer.

[Power_Of_Flops_]

Mmmm, many jealous xbots crying again because of KZ2. Go on, I love your tears :)

I would feel frustrated too if I couldn't play the best online FPS ever, KZ2.

But, but, but, Halo Wars :'(

[josephat84]

My team meets on and plays together. IT'S AWESOME!! Nothing new, but when you are playing with people who care more about winning the objectives than getting the most kills, it's by far the most addicting multiplayer ever. PERIOD. Even when you are playing with not so intelligent players it's still fun. No one will tell me otherwise.

[dagreatest41]

The problem with this article is that the authors presents his OPINIONS as facts. If you didn't like certain aspects of the multiplayer in killzone2, then that's YOUR OPINION because obviously the majority of people (including me) don't have any issues with it.

You're obviously free to express your opinion but when you use the title "Killzone 2 multiplayer has a bad aftertaste" then you're making it seem like your opinions are facts.

Just because I didn't like Halo3 doesn't mean halo3 sucks because obviously a lot of people loved it. same applies to killzone2. you may not have enjoyed certain aspects of it but I guess you can't please everyone. While you can bi**h about it all you want, we'll be playing and loving the sh** out of it for many months to come.

[aldesko]

This is news?

[xg-ei8ht]

I just want BIGGER MAPS, more of them and vehicles.

[mll09]

This article...

Is very good.

It echoes my thoughts, I'm playing Kz2 MP less and less.

But I'm doing the campaign on Elite.

[lelik]

so i was playing gears the other day and

[JaymezProSauce]

I had 23 days + on cod 4 and almost 3 days on cod 5 ( brother took cod5 away to buy his own copy of KZ2) and now I'm left with Killzone 2, and killzone 2 only. im currently standing at rank 800 or so with 60+ hours of gameplay. and i'm bored. i've unlocked every challenge, and it's hard to recruit players (that are good, nevermind find good players) to my clan. I've run out of things to do... i've unlocked everything, all that's left is the single player trophies. the air drones are useless, good luck getting 5 kills with them in a normal game that isn't an hour long.
the games also aren't customizeable enough. the minimum amount of weaponry available is sta pistol + grenade. = Melee badge was a B to get. 4 players in a squad is stupid, and also not being able to talk to your whole team. oh.. and lack of party system.. wow. so far i've only been in a 1 on 1 tournament but it was very refined. which is a plus. atleast the clan system is half decent. oh new thought came to mind: if you want to challenge a clan, you have to KNOW the clans name BEFOREHAND, am i right? stupid, should be able to challenge clans based on ur rank and such...

oh and i hate ppl who cry about rockets... espesh if they r using sg,s cuz rockets, believe it or not, take MORE skill to use then sgs, we have to reload, we have 3 shots, it takes time for the rocket to hit the target, and yeah. wow.

Main Complaint:

More Unlockables/ accomplishments or SOMETHING to do.. atleast cod4 had prestige.. which was dumb.. but was improved with Class unlocks in cod5.. i hope cod6 improves from there too.. like New guns for higher prestiges or sommin.

2cents

edit: oh yeah, and if ur team sucks.. then ur gonna suck.. except when i have to assassinate the other team and just use boost and blow 'em up. :D

[devilhunterx]

Cant be as bad as the game which shall remain nameless.

[macalatus]

I'll admit that I agree with some of the guy's complaints (i.e., objectives being swarmed by idiotic players), but his overall points are confusing and contradictory: He complains about needless "chaos", but blasts Guerilla Games for making MP unforgiving to "uncoordinated people" which was made to make things more orderly.

Truth of the matter is this: No matter how well a MP game was designed at the beginning to eliminate unwanted chaos as the author puts it, as long as you're surrounded by selfish and idiotic players, there would be always be chaos.

[lock09]

This game is over hype, good graphics but game play sucks!

[Bebedora]

I deferred render that statement. It's not bad. It's a good game. Just like any good game is. But, you are right about one thing, mongerer there, it is a bit hyped. Why? The marketmanship of microsoft is hard to beat. No, really.

[ToeKneeHaze]

I am the complete opposite of the author of this article.

It took me a while to get into the MP, just like any new MP game that comes out.

Now I am thoroughly addicted, the war zones feel like ravaging war zones and not sterile environments, and I love the leveling up and the new abilities...

Its up to the players to work together and make sure at that there is at least a medic around or so forth and so on...thats not the game's fault.

I think it will balance out with time since everyone at first just wants to unlock all the leveling up parts so they can experience all the different modes, who doesnt after all? Thats part of the enjoyment...

I love this game!

[artsaber]

It can be a bit difficult to rack up 5 bot kills, especially with an air bot. The gunfire tends to be weaker than a rifle, which in my opinion makes no sense. A bot should be at LEAST 15% deadlier than regular gunfire. I say keep them at the same ARMOR strength, but make their rounds hurt more.

Bots should be slightly feared in this game, but instead they sit there as assist killers or distraction targets while you try to shoot the guy trying to shoot your bot.

The key with bot kills is to stay somewhere close to it and use the bot as a shooting buddy. The only problem is, since your gun seems to be a bit more powerful than your bot, you steal too many kills from it making your ribbons even harder to collect.

I have found myself trying to half-kill people on purpose and then HOPING the bot will finish the job. This can get you killed too many times though... the bots weapons are too weak, the only time I was able to achieve 5 kills in a round was have two VERY well placed bots(elevated crossfire pattern, same area, one high & one low) while assist killing with them. I still have a few ribbons to go before I earn my medal.

[grantps3]

"even after release fanboy articles leave bad taste"

STFU killzone 2's multiplayer is the cats pajamas/ the bees knees

[-x.Red.x-]

looks like someone is getting killzowned in MP...

effing scrub can't aim... aww cry now
i love how people cry on the internet when their mommy can't fix the problem...

[Bebedora]

"Surprisingly, I've found myself enjoying the multiplayer side of Killzone 2 less and less the more I play it. My gameplay habits have changed a bit recently, and I've been playing almost nothing but Killzone 2 since the game launched."

What's up with this guy? Wanting hits? You got it, I guess...

[torreyjs]

FANBOYS!!!!!!!

ASSSSEEEEEEMMMMMBBBBBLLLLLLEE EEEEEEEEEEEE

[xg-ei8ht]

I'm giving KILLZONE 2 a break for awhile.

There is too much spam. Not enough tactics atm.

Played a few games earlier this evening, and as much as i enjoy it. Everything is too close, combat wise, to squashed if you will.

I know, you can play with less people, and you do get a better game for it.

But i do agree with some of the comments.

Nades - way to much spam on spawn points.

I think after you die, you get back into the game to quickly.

Should be 15seconds wait. That way, the game moves forward and not so many people, spamming.

Also need some bigger maps(open area's)

ALot of them i like, but i would really love to see some tank action, and other types of gameplay. I'm sure the game could handle it, considering tanks are in SP.

FREE DLC - MAPPACK please.

[cjflora]

Why are you agreeing with his comments? His basic premise was that he didn't like being forced into tactics, and there wasn't freedom to spam the map with spawn points and drones. You say there isn't enough tactics, and too much spam...how is that agreeing?

[cjflora]

What a WHINEY little baby! You consider balanced playing and skilled organization a huge flaw?!?! Listen, if you can't manage to organize a group of people and actually put some skill into something, don't f*cking b*tch about it to us. If you don't have the skills, go play a game that doesn't require any. I WELCOMED the challenge of the final boss in the campaign. How was it not strategic? You have a guy who has a CLEAR advantage over you, so how do you beat him? Maybe come up with a strategy that can beat him? Listen, I rarely play FPS's because I find most of them mildly boring, so maybe I'm not spoiled by some of these other FPS's out there that make it easy for everyone, but I haven YET to have an issue with this game. I agree, a party system would be nice. I suppose the leveling up system takes a few minutes to figure out. I really only have COD4 to base off of, but I actually like my games to be different from each other, so the fact that it wasn't like (insert a game to compare it to) is not a problem for me. I'm done. People can be such whiners...no wonder there aren't more outstanding games...

[pansenbaer]

Bad aftertaste...? Oh, you mean the blood from getting my face getting rocked off...?

[SlaughterMeister]

"seemingly impossible-to-complete objective"

I get the objectives ALL THE TIME! Yes, they're challenging, but they're FUN. This guy must be really terrible at this game. I've been levelling up daily since I started playing multiplayer on this game, and this is the only game I've spent any considerable amount of time online with.

Granted, I never played it before the patch was released, I got the game a couple weeks late, but I'm having a blast and haven't had any real problems with it.

Killzone 2 is amazing, I love this game.

[PSGamingInc]

I have gotten tired of Killzone 2's multiplayer a lot earlier than I thought I would.

When this game first launched I invsioned me playing KZ2 for months, if not years. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening now, but I really can't pinpoint the exact reason.

I guess the best way to sum it up is that when you get beyond the fancy paint there lies a game I have been playing for years now, but with frustrating controls.

A well designed game from a control standpoint should feel natural, and not get in the way of the actual game. Killzone 2's controls are so intrusive you can't help but notice them, and that is not a good thing.

With that said, I will be holding on to my copy for a while, because I still believe Guerilla Games is going to wise up and fix the controls. If not then I will spend my time with other shooters like COD MW 2 when it comes out. Guerilla please don't force me into that position. PLEASE

[spunnups]

I dont know what this guy is talking about. KZ2 MP has got me HOOKED.

[SprayandPreycom]

it would be doing better but nooo evreyone wants to come up with there own whole new sceme of things its your own fault

[NeloRisi]

as evidenced by the game's frustrating final boss, who is neither slow nor tactical)"

Man, grow a pair of balls. Guys like this really annoy me. They pretend to be hardcore gamers but when a game is actually challenging, you shout out that it should be easy. Gimme a break here...*I* beat the final boss on Elite.
Theres nothing wrong with the controls, just something wrong with minds of people expecting a casual game.

[xg-ei8ht]

I meant, i agreed with some of the comments here. Not the article.

[yoghurt]

Best online multiplayer game I have ever played. Simple as that. And, I know it will just get better and better with tweaks and DLC

[greengunstar]

I love the MP.