Hope Fades for PS3 as a Comeback Player

The Wall Street Journal: Battle of the Game Consoles, Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Xbox Widen Leads Over Sony's PlayStation. Read the whole article via neogaf.com secondary link.

[Blasphemy]

If Sony can get a $300 PS3 on the market next year I think they will be fine. PS3 has an awesome 2009 lineup.

[Mercutio]

Sony isn't doing well enough in America. This article is primarly based on US sales ( correct me if I'm wrong).

The playstation isn't doing well in the console market.

Sony is doing well enough in other parts of the world. Plus they're selling more then their competition in relation to price point.

The playstation is doing more then well in the Blu-ray arena.

[Danja]

The 360 has a 500K lead in NA over the PS3...for total sales this year so is the 360 also starting to fail...in the one territory it suppose to have a strong hold on..?

the PS3 will be at 20 million by January.....the 360 was only at 15 Million this past January....

so these articles make me laugh..

[Danja]

ur reported as offensive...

there's over 300 million ppl that Live in America...so ur 15 lil friends...really dont count that much... :)

[Socom]

Lets look at the facts, shall we people. Because thats what all fanboys tend to ignore.

Fact: Ensembles studios is closing down
Fact: Bungie left team 360 and are currently doing their last 360 project
Fact: 360 and xbox is 9 billion in red and counting everyday (the point of a business is to MAKE profit. Not make SALES. If your sales are high but profit zero, youre still a nobody).
Fact: 3 year warranty has expired and RROD and disc scratching is STILL an issue
Fact: the last big 360 game, Gears 2, is out and nothing of that caliber is left
Fact: 360 can outsell the PS3 by 3 million units in December (which it wont), and throughout the year, PS3 would still have OUTSOLD it (yes fanboys, CHOKE ON THAT).
Fact: 360 has lowered their margins by price dropping to 200 point. Lower margin and increased borrowed sales from 2009 and 2010 without increasing their target base leads to vapor sales. Sorry, from an investing standpunt, 360 is declining like snow melting before the sun.

Oh yea, PS3 is really in a lot of trouble right now. Oh wait, those facts are with respect to the 360...

EDIT: aaahhhh, and the fanboys rate down despite these being SOLID facts. These are as much fact as the fact that earth is round. Whats the matter silly fanboys? Got B**thurt again?

Rate downs wont CHANGE ANY of these facts. 360 is a money bleeding machine and it wont matter how many units they sell this December as they are leaking money with every sale.

Hahaha fanboys, come on fanboys, rate down some more hahaha. As you rate down, know that another guy just packed up his stuff at Ensembles Studios and leaving for good. Hahaha. As you rate down, know that more and more investors are getting increasingly more dissatisfied with Shane Kims lies. As you rate down know that Bungies last expansion comes to a close every day and thus also the end of 360 alliance.

Hahaha whats the next xbox going to do without their number one flagship shooter Halo. Halo wont ever be the same without Bungie and without Bungie, its the same as Star War 2 and 3 and the star wars animated film = UTTER GARBAGE.

[Kill Crow]

FACT - PS3 is in last place and is selling less and less hardware and software than Xbox360 each week.

FACT - millions of people would rather buy a RROD-Fail-Box with expensive online, no built in wifi, disc scratching, rubbish avatars - than a good quality, free blue ray player and free online, amazing HOME and top quality games PS3 !!!!

FACTimondo

[cherrypie]

The price _does_not_matter_. The current positions will remain the same.

These things have happened before. Their are people on this forum saying the **WALL STREET JOURNAL** doesnt know anything about business; that they are part of the Vast Anti-Sony Conspiracy whos memebership apparently includes;

TIME.com
CNN.com
gamasutra.com
gametrailers.com
g4tv.com
1up.com
joystiq.com
kotaku.com

And virtually *all* of the industry press. What is the matter here? The matter is this, and it is stark and clear: That the PS3 is *solidly* in last worldwide, that this year the Xbox 360 has solidfied its place in 2nd, and has increased the gaps in most every metric.

Its clear and stark enough that the WALL STREET JOURNAL is here to tell you this.

Yet, here in "alternate reality land" of N4G, every journalist, analyst and news-outlet "just dont get it" like the small horde of Sony Faithful that dominate this site.

[lokin]

well said, but you must remember you are preaching to a bunch of pll in their own little lala world

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

It's not a conspiracy. It's just journalism.

Whatever garners hits/press and puts money in the hands of the writer will get written. Anything against the PS3 is good press. Microsoft is still the underdog as far as gaming goes...at least to the unknowing world.

"I chose my path, you chose the way of the hero. And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you. Why bother?" - Green Goblin (Spider-man)

That's just journalism...nothing more, nothing less.

Most reporters would sell their soul to get that one breaking story. Muckraking is acceptable in today's society. Ask Dan Rather.

[SixZeroFour]

i didnt read anything about halo:ODST being the last "360" project...i did however read that it was their last game in the "halo" trilogy

i also thought that microsoft finally started making a profit with the 360's sometime during this year...i swear i read that somewhere, i'll try to find the article

[Captain Tuttle]

No one in this thread will read it. They'll just chalk it up to a conspiracy against Sony. You see, they're all victims.

[ChampIDC]

All I can say is most of you people care way too much about the console war. Enjoy your darn games!

[prowiew]

Wall street journal. Another bias site. These big journalism and game companies need to take a lesson on n4g (the only community that is not bias). yeah right!

I put it this way:
America: 360 doing great. ps3 doing average
japan: Both doing terrible.
europe: ps3 doing fine. 360 doing average.
Conclusion: I enjoy both systems!

[ChampIDC]

And Prowiew is one of the people that can actually win in this generation. Hurrah for enjoying both systems!

[Bubble Buddy]

PS3, 360, Wii are all winning. The gaming industry isn't affected by the recession as others so I think they're winners.

[Genesis5]

The more great games I play on my PS3 and the more great games being released for my PS3. The less I could care about these lets pick on the PS3 and Sony articles.

[mint royale]

and a big LOL at his 'SOLID FACTS!!!'. Why are your links? Hmm is it because you just MADE UP a load of crap.

I could post an argument that would just completely own every single one of his points but that would convey that he was actually worth a reply or seconds of my time so I won't bother.

All I will say is this - you call the article out for being fanboyish and then produce the most ridiculous fanboy rant. Hmm. Hypocrite?

How about all 3 consoles are doing well and all have games worth owning? Thats my opinion but im sure you'll have something more to make up about 'teh failbox 360' and find a way to discredit the wii.

[GodGinrai]

Thats the right way to look at it. I remember when the saturn was getting outsold by the ps1 and sega was getting heat from the press. didnt stop me from enjoying the awsome games it had (i still have all my games for it,and i own two jap saturns).

I eventually got a ps1 when gran turismo came out. loved it, and decided two heads are better than one....thats why im a ps360 guy now.There is just no way i could own just one of em. Enjoy your console but remember you dont owe it your loyalty.

[Bitter Tears]

LOL...

I haven't posted in a while but, SHEESH! 37 agrees and this is not even close to the truth. Shows you how much most people know.

"Lets look at the facts, shall we people. Because thats what all fanboys tend to ignore."

Fanboys such as yourself ignore, correct? You really have no place to say so. Neither do I.

"Fact: Ensembles studios is closing down."

OK, keep going. Though if you're going to pull the first party or second party closing card, search up Factor 5 and Free Radical and their respective deaths.

"Fact: Bungie left team 360 and are currently doing their last 360 project"

They decided to be an independent studio, they still have some sort of connection with Microsoft, I'm not sure of all the details. Look it up.

Also, NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT BUNGIE WILL MAGICALLY STOP WORKING THE 360. NOWHERE DOES IT SAY THAT HALO 3: ODST IS THEIR LAST 360 PROJECT.

"Fact: 360 and xbox is 9 billion in red and counting everyday (the point of a business is to MAKE profit. Not make SALES. If your sales are high but profit zero, youre still a nobody)."

LOLOLOL!!!!

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

They were making a profit WAY early in the year, now with massive sales in America, somewhat growing sales in all of Europe, and a small minuscule amount more in Japan, they must still be making a profit DESPITE a price drop. Microsoft doesn't get as affected by profit loss than Sony, Microsoft has billions to fall back on. Sony is doesn't have as much.

Microsoft also profits through it's amazing software sales with the 360.

Where'd you get all this info about sales not = profit? I'll give you some info and facts though.

Fact: Sony is still not breaking even with hardware sales, but are actually relying on software sales to break even and profit.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/20...

PS3's still manufacture at a price higher than the actual retail price. Cutting BC helped bring down the manufacturing costs for the previous price drop.

"Fact: 3 year warranty has expired and RROD and disc scratching is STILL an issue"

Yes, RROD and disc scratching is STILL an issue, but with older refurbished models, it's a problem that should NEVER had been there but Microsoft actually put in place a 3 year warranty costing THEM billions, a service for customers. You may argue it was to save themselves from legal issues and I'd say you are correct.

The newer Falcon and Jasper units have a very very low average of failure rate, close to PS3 and Wiis.

"Fact: the last big 360 game, Gears 2, is out and nothing of that caliber is left"

We might not have Gears of War 2 to look forward to but here's what I have hopes for in 2009. This is probably all my purchases and rentals for 2009 IF they do appear.

Halo 3: ODST
Killzone 2
Uncharted 2
God of War 3 - MAYBE
Alan Wake
Splinter Cell: Convictions
Bioshock 2
Mafia II - I liked the first one
Assassin's Creed 2
Gran Turismo 5 - Very unlikely to appear
Whatever Rare is cooking up.
Whatever Lionhead is cooking up.
Whatever Team ICO is cooking up.

And that's pretty much it. I guarantee you that announcements will come at GDC'09 in March and E3'09.

"Fact: 360 can outsell the PS3 by 3 million units in December (which it wont), and throughout the year, PS3 would still have OUTSOLD it (yes fanboys, CHOKE ON THAT)."

NPD 2008 - PS: I tried to clean it up as much as possible but it actually is IMPOSSIBLE to do so, please bare with me here.
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.................X360......PS 3......Wii.......
January 2008....230,000..269,000..274, 000.....
February 2008...254,600..280,800..432,0 00.....
March 2008......262,000..257,000..72 1,000.....
April 2008......188,000..187,100..71 4,200.....
May 2008........186,600..208,700.. 675,100.....
June 2008.......219,800..405,500..6 66,700.....
July 2008.......205,000..225,000..5 55,000.....
August 2008.....195,200..185,400..453 ,000.....
September 2008..347,200..232,400..667,00 0.....
October 2008....371,000..190,000..803, 000.....
November 2008...836,000..378,000..2,040 ,000...
December 2008

Total.........3,295,400..2,81 8,900..8,001,000

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Yes, I do know that this is only North America, and before anyone mentions that "LOL AMERICA DOESNT = THE WORLD LOL." Yes, I do realize that.

360 has already outsold the PS3 in North America, but in Europe it most likely hasn't the gap between them will be small for 2008, unless of course the price drop really did double sales in Europe, I'll dig out statistics and such in the New Year. Japan isn't a big enough area to really make a huge difference though the PS3 is absolutely destroying the 360 there.

The 360 made a massive comeback due the the price drops, and it also still has a HUGE overall sales gap between itself and the PS3. Selling so little during the most hectic days of the holidays in America is a sign that the price is indeed too high.

But the predicament Sony is in is quite the awkward one, Sony has to drop the price to increase sales, but has no money to drop the price with. Sony needs those sales to profit, but isn't getting the profit they need to even start to think about a price drop, unless of course they cut more features. There's absolutely no way they can drop the price unless they actually do make a gamble with Killzone 2 and drop the price along with it hoping for sales.

Or they can magically drop the price $100 with no repercussions like most of you suggested.

20XX, Year of the PS3 correct?

Everything else is not even worth acknowledging and responding to as it is completely laughable.

[jadenkorri]

my ps3 keeps rebooting within 2 mins almost...i guess it got jealous when my 360 rrod on me and I paid more attention to it after getting a new one... I think the fans broke, i attempted to take apart since it was a launch ps3 and way oow...Im hoping i can fix it, if not i'll debate between buying a new one or paying for repairs...any suggestions anyone

[mint royale]

I commend you for giving it a go but i'm afraid your reasoning will fall on death ears.

As for europe sales, according to gfk the 360 is a million ahead in europe in the major markets so it is doing well there. As is the wii and is the ps3 before I get accused of being a fanboy.

[Bitter Tears]

Actually on second thought, I'm feeling that the 360 WILL outsell the PS3 worldwide for 2008.

I'm willing to bet on it. Anybody want to take me up on this bet?

If I lose the bet, I'll get somebody to ban me completely.
If whoever decides to take the bet, They get banned.

I'm this confident.

Anybody wanna take up my bet?

[Dannagar]

@Blasphemy

It's been recently estimated that Sony is loosing $50 per Playstation 3. You want Sony to drop the PS3 another $100 and loose $150 per system? That would mean for every 1 million units they'd sell, they'd loose $150,000,000. That would probably kill Sony faster than you could shake a stick at.

[uie4rhig]

i'll bet with you.. tho my bet will be that the Wii outsells them both ^^, :P

seriously tho.. you may be very right 360 is outselling the PS3 in NA.. but remember that NA is 360's territory.. I think it will be like this for 2008 between PS3 and 360:
Japan: PS3
Europe: Either of them, tho the gap between their sales will be VERY small.. at most 500k i think
NA: 360..

thats wot i think will happen for 2008..

now.. excluding today (since today has only four hours left in the UK at this time) 2 days left for new year 8) PARTY :D

PS: WiiStation360 fanboys (that means EVERYONE yeah, including YOU) HAPPY NEW YEAR.. (ill probs fail to mention it later in these few days ^^,)

[Jason Borg]

PS3 is dead in the U.S. Poor sales + inferior game library + cheap standalone br players + laughable PSN + bad rep given by psychoticly detached fanboys= Flop in U.S.

And that's coming from a PS3 owner.

[jadenkorri]

i get 3 disagrees for my broken ps3, yeah this site is awsome...no wonder i slowly stop coming here......anyways those who disagreed, get a life...

[iHEARTboobs]

At least i'll be playing KZ2, GOW3, GT5 and Uncharted 2 and you wont. haha

[Rhoic]

I was aware the 360 is doing fine.. in America and Europe. Japan? Eh.. they're doing better than everyone thought they would, which is enough.

[MNicholas]

You kids are too young to remember or too caught up in Dreamcast360 hype to admit it.

Reality: Despite several price-cuts, the 360 is barely outperforming what it did last year. The fact is, the 360 is going to struggle in 2009. The $199 price is supposed to cause an explosion in sales. Yet the more costly Wii is outselling the 360 2:1.

At $399, neither Sony nor any analyst worth his salt would expect the PS3 to sell like hotcakes. Not many people have $399 to spend on something so discretionary. However, if Sony wanted to boost sales, the PS3 still has about $200 of price-cuts it can make at any time.

On the other hand, the 360 has played it's final card and it hasn't paid off the way it was supposed to. Microsoft doesnt really have any way to boost sales beyond what they were this year. In other words, 2009 will be a rough year for Microsoft.

[BWS1982]

I'm always confused when I read crap like this, this is a generalized "economic analyst" writing an article, and he knows very little about the games industry, his lack of any substantial knowledge is plastered all over the article, which I just read all the way through (sadly)...The author is clueless on technology, it's blatantly apparent, and frankly, obnoxious, because it was difficult to read without shaking my head and rolling my eyes. The author didn't portray any of the consoles in an accurate light when he tried to compare features to price in any sort of manner, and he spoke of Gears of War and Halo as if he'd just heard of them from his assistant 5 minutes ago.

The author's argument is hinging on the last 2 months of data, not the last 3 years, he can't step back and look at the big picture apparently....Divide MS's sales by 3 (three years out), then divide Sony's sales by 2 (two years)....guess what, Sony's number is a higher result (more consoles sold per day average since console release). For what Sony offers, for the price of the console, and for the amount of time they've been out, it's far from a failure. No fantards, this isn't "denial", it's a mathematical conclusion. I added up all the components I wanted for a console, and 360 would have cost me about $80 more (that's not even counting the next year of Live subscription or a Blu Ray Player). That's right, PS3 was my cheaper choice, AND I didn't have to worry about "playing too much" and f****** up my console or scratching discs. I fail to see any point made by the fanboys or this article, except a spinning of opinions and a touch of data to appear as if they are damning evidence, portrayed to paint the PS3 as a flop. This article fails to grasp the gaming or technology fields in much of a degree, and as a result, runs in circles with slanted logic and questionable assumptions. Sony's console is the most expensive. We are in a global recession, if an "expert" in financial matters cannot comprehend the end result of those 2 factors, he's a moron and deserves a blog, not a column in the Wall Street. Move on people, nothing to see here....

[AAACE5]

I don't care about all this! I am still buying a Ps3!

[BWS1982]

Nothing of merit was presented in the article. The guy presented some slanted, overly minute, meaningless numbers, and put on a charade that he knows something about the game industry.

[cmrbe]

until the console war is more than 5 years old before calling anything?.

All current gen console installbase wii included is still only half the installbase of the ps2.

WSJ will have egg on their face like Time Mag last time with the PS2. These people will never learn.

Another article file to under PS3 is Dead folder. Man is going to be so funny in 6 years time.

[power of Green]

Too late, popular opinion favors the 360 and the Wii, the knowlege of PS3 being inferior is too great for Sony to overcome.

Its too late the defacto platform will be the 360 by the time Sony drops PS3's price. The 360 will have massive Developer support.

[BWS1982]

"popular opinion" does not constitute the voices in your head and your Live friends, pull your head from the sand.

[Saint Sony]

There has never been hope for PS3. Sony just totally failed with it.

It rocks and all, but damn stupid marketing and pricing. So no wonder it fails miserably... also hard to develop does not really help now when devs need all the money they can get and fast. 360 is so much more easier to develop to.

Trust me, no devs will use 3 years+ for making PS3 exclusives from now on. They get more money out of 360 and faster too. Poor PS3.

[power of Green]

Just an opinion based from facts. Speaking of heads don't worry about mine it seems you need to worry about getting yours checked lol. Calm down. Its not hard to comprehend what is taking place.

[BWS1982]

then. What IS taking place? You said it yourself, opinions based on facts. Once opinions are brought in, you can't argue that your opinion is superior. Trolling around in threads that have nothing to do with your console or interest is the easiest thing to comprehend. For someone who worships their console as if it was the second coming, you spend a great deal of time away from it talking about other consoles. Why is that?

[midgetsanx]

is going away after this far in..Its going to be a long run for every console out there...

[Raoh]

so basically before the price cut the ps3 was cruising, not crushing the competition but cruising

look at this way.. one is half the price, one is twice the price.. and the only difference is about 500k

Console Year 2008 sales (as of November)
Wii 8,001,000
Xbox 360 3,295,400
PlayStation 3 2,818,900
PlayStation 2 2,092,300

Handhelds
Nintendo DS 6.91 million
PlayStation Portable 2.81 million

[Saigon]

but that is just in NA matter of fact just the US, I know NPD includes a guesstimate of what Canada and Mexico does but its not the official numbers (just a speculated numbers from the countries).

That number changes if you add in the sales from Media Create (Japan) Sony Takes the lead.

From a report we heard that the 360 has a 1 million lead on the PS3 in EU but whaat about the rest of the pal Regions.

My only broblem with this article is that you can't say the PS3 hopes are fading when a price drop on the competitive system just occured (a system thats been on the market for 3 years compared to 2 from Sony). If both systems were the same price, we all know what the outcome will be. Sonyy also knows this. Expect them to drop the PS3 price in the Q2 of fiscal year 2009 (a year after MS droped the 360 price). Also don't say doom and gloom for Sony, They have 3 consoles on the market right now that that sold good amounts for the year. So who is truly making a profit.

[n4gzz]

lol, one of those immature article again.

[cherrypie]

Yeah, one of those "immature, lol" articles from the FRACKING WALL STREET JOURNAL.

I'm the one lol'ing here.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

The Wall Street Journal hasn't been a trustworthy news source for years, mate. Where have you been?

[NickIni]

This is about the US. Not the world. America. Granted, many Americans think that the world ends at their shores.

[San anto]

did you also know 25% of American's are legitimately illiterate.

[evrfighter]

lol wall street journal....not credible? That brightened my day a little. And M$ owns the media amirite?

edit: if THE Wall Street Journal. Is writing pieces like this about your company then your company is doin it wrong. There are no fanboys on wall street. Only people following the money.

If these people that make a living following the money are suddenly saying ps3 is about to tank. It's best to listen and not pretend to be some sort of armchair financial analyst.

[ChampIDC]

MS owns my breakfast too. They won't let me eat it now =(

[Parappa The Rappa]

AMERICA. It rocks. Dont like it? Leave!

[hfaze]

"edit: if THE Wall Street Journal. Is writing pieces like this about your company then your company is doin it wrong. There are no fanboys on wall street. Only people following the money.

If these people that make a living following the money are suddenly saying ps3 is about to tank. It's best to listen and not pretend to be some sort of armchair financial analyst."

Nope, no fanboys on Wall Street... Just "financial gurus" that got us into this WORLD-WIDE economic mess that we're currently in... So, yeah... They REALLY know what they're talking about/doing... :-P

Wasn't "following the money" the reason for all the sub-prime mortgages out there (since the Chinese were buying up mortgage backed securities at a feverish rate?).

[Oner]

hfaze don't expect a reply back on that. Actual common sense and facts don't mean anything to those with selective reasoning.

[Nemo88]

"Nope, no fanboys on Wall Street... Just "financial gurus" that got us into this WORLD-WIDE economic mess that we're currently in... So, yeah... They REALLY know what they're talking about/doing.."

Lol, score!

it does seem a bit of a FUD article to be fair even if its from the WSJ. One bad christmas after the article itself admitts ps3 was catching up until the 360 drop and its gloom and doom for ps3? Silly if you ask me. If they clarify that they mean ps3 has little chance of catching up before MS drops the 720 or whatever then fair enough. But Ps3 isnt out of it yet.

Also, despite the stature of the source, the writer sems to be ommitting the very high anticipation lots of people have for the Big games dropping in 2009, yours Killzones etc., which combined with a price drop could see things turn right around again.

I dont really get why these business journals are wading in with their opinions on gaming, when they show they dont really know that much about it, like TIME, and actually brings into question the validity of alot of what they say as they obviously dont have THAT high standards.

[kwyjibo]

Leon:
"The Wall Street Journal hasn't been a trustworthy news source for years, mate. Where have you been?"

No, you have absolutely nothing to back up your statement.

The Wall Street Journal is the most widely read, and respected financial paper since time began. What are you going to slag off next, The Economist? The FT? Perhaps you should stick to IGN, 8/10.

evrfighter is right, there are no fanboys on Wall Street - it's about the bottom line.

[Jason Borg]

George W. Bush & D*ck Cheney are the main reasons the U.S. is in a depression, not a bunch of stock brokers you detached psycho. Go ask Haliburton, Blackwater, Amoco, Enron, or (insert Bush cronie here).

Sony fanboys stink up this website. After reading the comments in here. Seriously, you idiots are detached on a psychotic level.

[Nineball2112]

I'm sorry and I know this will fall on deaf ears, but you are out of your ever lovin' mind if you think President Bush and D!ck Cheney are the cause of this financial meltdown.

Freakin' become educated about a topic before you spout off.

This current economic meltdown is mainly due to the financial insolvency of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Why are they insolvent? Because they were "forced" to lend money to people who didn't have the ability to pay back their loans. They packaged most of these crap loans as "investment instruments" and sold them to other financial institutions/investors. When it became apparent that these loans were no good, the markets seized up, liquidity became a problem, and the market tanked.

Who has oversight of the financial markets? Oversight committees in Congress... who is in charge of both houses of Congress? The Democrats. (That's not to say that Republicans don't deserve some of the blame)

And I don't need to take up for ANY fanboys, but the only one stinking up this website at the moment is you and your asinine, utterly unintelligent comments.

[Parappa The Rappa]

...that fannie mae & freddie mac(WHICH IS WHAT IM TOTALLY NAMING MY CHILDREN BTW) are the BIGGEST cause of this economic BS, I agree that the Bush Administration is not completely at fault here. While they did not MANAGE the problem properly and swiftly---they are still not the CAUSE.

gaming can be cheap. you can buy used games on ebay and craigslist. hell you can even buy your consoles there too. who cares if its shiny and new, you'll just spill soda on it later :) and the games will still play the same either way. Im just saying, theres a lot of kids out there that like to b*tch about prices. too spoiled to walk down a clearance isle---but like to complain b/c they still cant afford NEW sh*t.

[kwyjibo]

Way to absolve the Republicans for most of the blame.

Democrats have only had control of congress since the end of 2006. The sub-prime meltdown, which is the seed of the current recession happening right now hit in 2007.

Which party has historically (and still is) been in favor of unregulated markets? Regulation of the financial markets falls down to the SEC, and the executive branch, and they've been asleep at the wheel.

[soxfan2005]

You are right when you say that America is not the world, but America is the biggest market. Japan, where PS3 is doing best, accounts for about 10% of the sales that the US does, while all European countries combined barely account for as many sales as the US alone. Winning the US is a HUGE victory. Remember, the PC Engine (Turbografx in the US), Sega Saturn, and Sega Master System all succeeded in either Japan or Europe, but because they flopped in the US, they are generally considered failures.

[Sarick]

If you hear or say something enough at one point you'll probably start believing in it. That's why negative articles can influence the negative market position that's being portrayed.

[BIGBAER]

You are worse than ignorant. The current financial meltdown was fated during the abysmal reign of the worst U.S. president in modern history: Jimmy Carter. Fannie Mae & Freedie Mac began their dark, socialist road to disaster under Carter's disastrous tenure.

The second worst president in modern history, Bill "it depends on what the meaning of is, is" Clinton guaranteed Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac's impending doom by passing additional legislation forcing the mortgage insurers to back even worse home loans than under Carter.

Clinton wanted to wear the mantle of the president home orchestrated the greatest growth in home ownership of any president. It didn't hurt that he had close friends who stood to benefit financially from slinging garbage mortgages against the sticky Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac wall either.

As for the cureent president, George Bush: numerous times during his term President Bush has addressed Congress directly, calling for greated OVERSIGHT of the home mortgage institutions. As a republican with a belief in free market economics, this was a major red flag for anyone with even an inkling of common sense.

The republican controlled senate and house also attempted to initiate oversight and regulatory reforms on Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac but AS ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE SO-CALLED REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED YEARS OF CONGRESS, knows that the republicans NEVER HAD A VOTING MAJORITY! The fabled 60% majority never saw a republican light of day. Additionally, a significant number of Congressional republicans were in fact RINOS (republican in name only), former democrats who switched party in order to run against party-selected democrats.

Every instance of republican effort to tighten regulations and institute stronger oversight and reforms of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac was killed by congressional democrats. Why do you think that Chris Dodd, Barry Obama and John Kerry received more campaign contributions from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac than most of the other recipients combined!

Barack Obama recieved more in his four short years as a player than anyone else! Of course that might be in part repayment for "redlining" & Washington Mutual Savings & Loan's caving to "community organizers" when Obama was enacting all he learned from Saul Alinsky.

No, it IS the democrats who shoulder the majority of the blame for this financial mess just as it is the Unions (democrats) who are to blame for the BIG THREE automakers decline. Ford has to charge an additional $2000 per vehicle just to cover union health care benefits alone---not to mention wages averaging 50% higher than workers earning in American Honda & Toyota manufacturing plants.

Now---as far as the Wall Street Journal's street cred: it is the pinnacle of the financial-focused media giants. If the Wall Street Journal has an article stating that Sony's PS3 is losing ground against its competitors, it is gospel that this will be the main topic of discussion in gaming industry boardrooms around the globoe.

The Wall Street Journal highlighting the PS3's failure to advance against its competitors and in fact, lose ground, could be a self-fulfilling prophesy. Does anyone really believe an article such as this will inspire game developers to devote more time and effort to the PS3? Anyone? Seriously? The answer is a resounding, unequivocal NO!

[GiantEnemyLobster]

Don't worry Sony won't be in 3rd place forever... next Gen when Sega jumps back in, it'll be PS4th place.

(Assuming Sony computer entertainment can actually survive past the catastrophe that is the PS3)

[PotNoodle]

You were never around for the PS1 and PS2 era? I mean come on, you know sony are capable of pulling off great things, there will be few gamers that would disagree.

Some of you may think they have messed up with the PS3 and i think many PS3 owners will agree they did mess it up, it could of been so much more from the get-go. It should be more than what it is now in the online portion, it should be doing better than it is.

The online side of things, in my opinion is the only side that is lacking. Yes the online problems are far blown out of proportion and we get some great PSN content, but the overall integration of it and the features seem stuck on compared to live's seemless service.

The games are great now, they are what make the PS3 for me, it is why i prefer to use my PS3 more because the games suit __ME__ more.

Sony took a risk bringing on a whole new architecture with the cell, spending all that money on R&D and putting blu-ray in the console, but i think they took the wrong time to take this risk with the competition being so strong, if they took the same risk last generation it would of worked out so much better for them.

These risks though will of all payed off by the next generation, because of the cell's expandable architecture it can be upgraded easy and the developers will be used to it by then so developing for the PS4 won't ne that much different than the PS3.

Now please, stop acting as if sony is totally hopeless and always has been, because you know they are not. I, as a PS3, should i say "Fanboy" agree with the fact sony are not trying hard enough and still don't really know what they want to do with the PS3.

I'm trying to be as neutral as possible with what i just said, i admitted i prefer my PS3 over my 360 but i won't say the
360 is a bad console, it is a very good console, great value for price and live is amazing, microsoft did a great job with that and still are, just i find more exclusive games on the PS3 that interest ME personally more.

XBL: Death roW247
PSN: DeathroW22

[GiantEnemyLobster]

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[PotNoodle]

How silly of me, trying to reason with one of you clowns.

[fufotrufo]

@ Deathrow

" You were never around for the PS1 and PS2 era? I mean come on, you know sony are capable of pulling off great things, there will be few gamers that would disagree. "

I'm not here to disagree with anything in your post... only this quote

I was around the ps1 and ps2 ... and they never had tough competition, never lunched a year after competitors like they are doing with a blue ray drive that requires an expensive HDTV during Americas recession ....sorry but those years were a 1 console war... now you have 2 other consoles that won't let that happen again.

[GiantEnemyLobster]

The silly part was the fact you posted all that here in the Open Zone.

[PotNoodle]

But the playstation 2 was a great platform, regardless of sales. That is what i'm talking about, the first and second party games, the third party support, the advertisement etc.

I'm not talking about competition or sales, just the platform itself and how sony handled it.

[likedamaster]

After 2 successful generations, Sony needs to lay low this time around. It's Nintendo/Microsoft's time to shine.

[LinuxGuru]

FUD

[hfaze]

I whole-heartedly agree...

When you see that the PS3 has sold more consoles at two years on the market than the 360 did (even with the 360 having NO COMPETITION for the first year on market), and the fact that it is only a few million behind the 360 (despite the 1 year head start, and a massive price cut on the 360 this fall), you see that IT'S NOT DOING THAT BADLY.

And the Wall Street Journal talking about how now there's the chance of third party developers LEAVING the PS3 due to being behind the competition... LOL... Third-party developers didn't leave the original XBox even though it was getting MASSACRED by the PS2...

Bashing Sony or the PS3 must bring in massive website hits...

YES, they are currently in 3'rd place. YES, the PS3 needs a price cut to bring it more in-line with the competition. Does this mean that Sony or the PS3 is doomed? NO...

Honestly, as long as Sony does the great job they have been doing bringing out the kind of games that I enjoy, then I could care less about what "place" they are in the "console wars".

Oh yeah, and "VIVA LA OPENSOURCE!!" :-)

[Parappa The Rappa]

INDEED MY FRIEND.
INDEED.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

I feel for Sony though, getting out sold by a severily flawed system... has got to sting a bit!

I also don't want to hear people touting the Blu-ray feature either... PS3 is a GAME CONSOLE first, Blu-ray player 2nd no matter how you try to slice it! so apparently average consumers aren't seeing the "bang for the buck" that Sony fanboys see.

I see more commercials for Blu-ray MOVIE release mentionings than GAME releases for PS3 though. Although I've seen a jump up in LBP advertising though, the game truely deserves a lot of sales... it's fantastic. But Sony was wayyyyyy late on getting the add out for the christmas shopping. They can still get that gift card crowd though for sure!

[PotNoodle]

Yes, the hardware may be flawed but you have to give microsoft credit for their effort in the system software department and live.

Sony, in my opinion are underestimating the importance of the online portion of gaming, it isn't so big in japan but it is pretty much a necessity here in the west.

I'm not saying the PSN is bad, because it isn't - it is great for a free service, amazing infact. But the 360 offers a seemless experience that works very well.

I'm sure many will agree, overall live is the better service - even if you don't want to admit it here you know it is and people don't have a problem paying a little less than the price of a game for it.

Before anyone attacks me for being a "360 fanboy", think again and replace that "360" with a "PS3".

[Mini Mario]

"I'm not saying the PSN is bad, because it isn't - it is great for a free service, amazing infact. But the 360 offers a seemless experience that works very well."

It would want to work well if u pay for it.

[buy a ps3]

the ps3 is doing great and making profit in a time of global economical crises how can you say that its losing the console war. the most powerful breast always comes out on top.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

might be trying to type on the wrong site? lmfao!

thanks for the laugh dude!

[Danja]

"the most powerful breast always comes out on top. "

I second the guy above thanx 4 the laugh dude....XD

[S M N]

lOoOl

but i think it's work both way XD

[MiloGarret]

"the most powerful breast always comes out on top."

First, breast, lol. Second: Is that why the slightly more powerful xbox won over the ps2? Is that why the psp is owning the DS? Is that why the WII is losing to everyone? Is that why the PC is dominating consoles?

Oh wait...

Fanboys are blind, calling the Wall Street Journal bias and ignorant is a good way to brand yourself an uneducated moron. The PS3 is not doing great, face it, their sales may not be far behind the xbox 360 but that means nothing when they've lost a HUGE chunk of market share this gen. However, that the PS3 is going away seems highly unlikely, they will not dissapear, in fact, they might even win in the long run, but they will have lost their dominance. Make of it what you will, personally I find a more even competition between MS and Sony to be a good thing for consumers, but to each his own.

[Parappa The Rappa]

hey hey hey budday....

dont talk about PC's that way. the most advanced games on PC arent possible on consoles.
and the ones that are, look waaaaay better, and have better controls on their PC counterparts.

And the DS is owning the PSP b/c its fun for the hardcore AND the casual. And there is a HUGE library of insanely fun games on the DS. it has mass appeal, just like the wii

[yoghurt]

doooomed dooooomed run for your lives! what a load of rubbish. Sick of these articles, looks like going into 2009 we'll be getting plenty more of them

[DiabloRising]

Again? Don't people get sick of writing, reading, submitting, and arguing this same old crap?

Here - PS3 could use a price drop. If it gets one in 2009, sales will pick up.

There. Lather, Rinse, Repeat ad nauseum.

[red5ive]

it seems like which ever side these fan boys are taking, they're taking it to the extreme.

PS3 side: "what??! this cannot be.... Wall Street Journal.... fail....... no sir"
XBOX side: "HA! look! you have problems! HA! let's all point and laugh!!"

PS3 needs a price drop? probably. does it mean it's going to go down in flames soon? probably not. if sony can think of something to pick up sales, whether it be to cut the price or something else, then it can really contend in '09.

great '08 year for all gamers btw. fantastic. my next-gen gaming library doubled. wtf man?!! lol.

[TrevorPhillips]

Please everyone no fanboism's in here..

I think all consoles are well great aslong as you enjoy them :)

[ChampIDC]

It's pretty pathetic that you get disagrees on that one.

[NickIni]

It's probably because he has a KZ2 avatar.

[Parappa The Rappa]

its prolly because he sounds like that one kid on the playground who is trying to break up the fight that you have been waiting to see all year....

"come on guy, no fighting. the teacher is gonna see you, youre gonna get in trouble! cant we all just be friends?"

That kid gt his @$$ kicked A LOT at my school.

Fanboy fights will always be there---but if youre not a complete nerd and have a life beyond internet forums(LMAO) than you know that none of this really matters anyways.

[Liquid Snake]

What a joke the 360 fanboys and The Wall Street Journal are.

THE XBOX 360 HAD JUST OVER A YEARS HEAD START GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULLS.
This from the Xbox Fanboy number one website VGchartz.com

Xbox 360 sold 26.49M

26.49/3years = 8.83 million consoles a year

PS3 sold 18.82M

18.82/2years = 9.41 million consoles a year sold

Clearly the PS3 is selling more each year.

Say the PS3 and Xbox both came out out the same time, these will be todays figures IN THEORY. NOT FACT, JUST A THEORY.

26.49mil Xbox 360's
18.82+9.41= 28.23mil PS3's

THE ONLY REASON WHY THE 360 IS WINNING IS BECAUSE OF A TIME FACTOR.

Use your brains 360 fanboys and WSJ.

Also how many of the 360 consoles where bought multiple times by the same person due to RROD and hardware faults hmmmmm? Makes you think if the 360 is winning after all.

[PotNoodle]

It'll blow over for a while soon enough, when the PS3 was beating the 360 for a few months after its price cut by pretty large numbers (For the price of it) everyone was screaming doom for the 360.

Now the 360 gets some really nice numbers, everyone jumps back on the doom train for the PS3.

I can see this happening for the rest of this gen, just a constant switch over between the PS3 and 360. People fail to look at the bigger picture with these things.

This applies to both sides.

[thenickel]

Well since the PS3 was suppose to launch originally when the 360 did why don't you do a better comparison. There is no 1 year gap excuse people. PS3 should of caught up almost immediately but due to price and services has been failing. The whole one year gap thing is nothing more than a excuse to make up time.

Xbox 360 sold 26.49M

26.49/3years = 8.83 million consoles a year

PS3 sold 18.82M

18.82/3years = 6.27 million consoles a year sold

Clearly the PS3 is selling less each year.

[twoface]

Wow thenickel, that's brilliant. Who would have thought of that?!

[evrfighter]

Agreed with nickel. No matter how you try and make up an excuse for sales. In the end all it means was that Microsoft was a step ahead of Sony. That's all. Nothing more nothing less. That's business.

This is actually quite common in the technology industry. Big corporations just got lazy and underestimated the competition. Intel underestimating AMD with k8. Nvidia underestimating ATI with the hd4k series and the fx5xxx. Microsoft letting apple grab more OS marketshare because Vista wasn't all it was hyped up to be. and now here with Sony clearly underestimating M$ with those "Next-gen doesn't start till we say it starts" comments.

Remember these things happen. But these companies usually come back and claim the top with their next product. However in Sony's case. I'm reading they probably won't make another console. That's disappointing really. I think even xbox fans should hope this isn't the case as competition really drives the console market forward.

[ChampIDC]

^^

Took the words right out of my mouth and thensome. Always nice to see somebody posting based on reason, not blind faith. Bubbles, friend.

Fanboys really do need to realize that their console wouldn't be what it is without the competition to drive it forward.

[pansenbaer]

Ha. LOL at thenickel. "Clearly the PS3 is selling less each year"
Uhhh...clearly you don't like to use facts.

Fact: The PS3 has been out for about 2 years
Fact: The 360 has been out for about 3 years
Fact: Based on how long they have been out and how many consoles have sold, the PS3 is selling more per year!

I don't really know how you can spin that into saying they are selling less. Fact is, the 360 came out a year earlier because they HAD to beat Sony to stay alive. Besides, for a lot of people, this generation didn't start until Sony said it did due to the fact that they wouldn't buy a Microsoft console. I'm one of those people. Why would I support their half-a$$ed console when they get enough money from people from their half-a$$ed operating systems and half-a$$ed (WAYYYYYY OVERPRICED!) Office Suites!?!

[ash_divine]

first off who says the Ps3 was supposed to launch the same say as the xbox?, any proof of this?

secondly, you do realize that the 360 really did come out a year early right? as in 2005. While the Ps3 came out in 2006, giving Microsoft a free extra 8 million console sales.

So how on earth can you make a 3 year comparision when one of the consoles is only 2 years old. You are basically saying that you expect the Ps3 to accomplish in 2 years what the 360 accomplished in 3 years.

but since you are going to divide 2 years' sales into 3, than lets remove that year head start from the 360.

xbox 360: 17.66 million
PS3: 18.82 million

so if not for the extra year PS3 really would be ahead of the 360.

[thenickel]

Here's your proof: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...
And once again I will tell you that there's no 1 year gap between the consoles. The people that were going to buy a PS3 already purchased one just like 360 and Wii. The consoles have been known about for the same amount of time which means 360 is outperforming it. The whole 1 year thing is just an illusion made up by fanboys.

Edit pansbaer: Don't even waste my time with you mr troll.The only thing factual about you is the fact that you don't like MS and are unwilling to give 360 any chance what so ever. Your comments hold no credibility and sound like there coming from a brain of a 6 year old. Go fight your wars somewhere else with you multiple account azz.

[lsujester]

Nickel-

No offense, but even though they INTENDED to launch earlier, there's no reason to alter what actually happened when looking at sales numbers. The systems weren't on sale, even pre-order that early, so how can you justify extending the PS3's "life" into territory that it couldn't actually be purchased?

I can INTEND to get in shape, tanned, and become a professional athlete. But the fact is I'm out of shape, as white as paper, and my athletics are limited to walking the dog and to the fridge.

[englishgolfer]

sorry mate i guess you're just in for the fight. read the bbc article and you'll see in the last section this quote:

"The delay means Sony's machine will not be in the shops in the US and Japan until a year after the Xbox 360, giving Microsoft a valuable lead in building up its market share."

so before you use scorces to quote your (mislead) ideas best read it first!!!

[pansenbaer]

Nickel-

Look, I get what your trying to say. It just doesn't make any sense, whatsoever. You are trying to tell me that November 23rd, 2005 to November 16th 2006 was just an illusion? That period in time didn't exist? There was no gap between when the consoles launched? I wanted a PS3 but I didn't get one. I couldn't afford it at the time. I bought one a little less than a year later. 60 GIG for 499. Are you telling me nobody else did the same? E3 2006 was about 5 or 6 months before the console launch. E3 2006 was also when the price of 599 was announced. Are you saying people didn't bail out when they heard that number?

I'm not a troll. I don't just spout off nonsense to rile up the opposition. You're right, I don't like Microsoft. That doesn't mean I hate the 360. Its half-a$$ed. I think most people can agree the system was rushed, regardless of alliance. They wanted to cut corners and manufacture parts themselves and it didn't work out. I borrowed my friends 360 and was fine with it. If Microsoft didn't make it, I might have bought one. I'm not a fanboy, I just HATE Microsoft.

EDIT @ englishgolfer

I noticed that part right as I posted this. This sentence is key, "...giving Microsoft a valuable lead in building up its market share. "
For a lot of people that wanted a PS3, the generation did start when Microsoft released the 360 because they wanted to play games THEN. Not in a year when the PS3 launched. So they bought a 360.

[GodGinrai]

put your toys back in your pram and stop cryin dude. happy new year.

[DaCandyman]

That is like saying that baby A and baby B were both concieved at the same time, same date, same month, same year.
Baby A was born early as promised (but with a hot head and some serious defects)
Baby B was born a year later (but with a few flaws, not as many as Baby A)
But you are saying that they are the exact same age.
THAT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP.

That is like saying that When Baby B was born he already knew how to walk, run, talk, and be the same age as Baby A.

You mean to tell me that I could have bought my PS3 the exact same day that the 360 released. Wow I've been had!!!

You mean to tell me all this time my brother is 28 years old I am 27 that we really are the same ageeven though he had a year and 5 months head start.

[CadDad]

Your numbers:

Xbox 360 8.83 million consoles a year
PS3 6.27 million consoles a year sold

Using the same false logic I'll extrapolate those based on historical evidence.

The 360 will be out 5 years just like the xbox, which would make it sell 44.15 million consoles.

The PS3 will be out 10 years just like the PS1 and PS2, which would make it sell 62.7 million consoles.

Yes I'm being sarcastic, no I really don't care which console wins. Numbers are fun when you speak them from behind.

-CadDad

[Rhoic]

Does it ever occur to people that maybe the PS3 sold a MEGATON on year 1, and then sold at a much smaller amount each year after? Or does fanboy logic equate to "The total number needs to be broken into however many years the console sold and THAT'S how many it sold that year."? Because from the looks of things, the PS3's sales have fallen. It sold what? 10 million the first year because it was hyped to oblivion (which by the way, there were thousands on Amazon and eBay shortly after), then look at it's sales? I'm not sure on the first year sales, but if you can find those out, everyone here is wrong then.

[CadDad]

PS3 numbers aren't declining year to year. This image is straight off of Sony's website.

http://farm4.static.flickr....

-CadDad

[Rhoic]

Too bad the PS3 was released in Q3 of '06.. meaning? To record a year's worth of sales.. you would have to go from Q3 of '06 to Q3 of '07. which proves my point that they had a MEGATON amount of sales their first year.

[bamyrick226]

these dumb a$$ people need to stop writting this crap,ps3 is head and shoulders above anything else out there. just needs to drop the price and it will be fine. it will catch up and pass 360 next year if that happends and who really cares about wii, i have one and never play the dam thing

[gamfreak]

1st - Nintendo Wii = Casual gamers. Majority are Kids.
2nd - Xbox 360 = Softcore gamers. Majority are GAYS and poor individual.
3rd - SONY PS3 = Professional gamers and rich individual.

Looks like more and more gamers are heading into the Soft side, hahahahahaha.

[Narutone66]

When you think about it, they are on to their 3rd or 4th or even 5th console because of the RROD. So, by logic, the number they boast about should be shipped, not sold.

[BleuStreeks]

Leave sony alone they know what they doing, I wont question experience neither should any of you.

[Asurastrike]

Original Xbox sold 24 million, Gamecube sold 21 million. PS3 has sold 18 million in less than half of the lifespan of those two consoles. Why didn't people attack Microsoft and Nintendo?

[thenickel]

Because they didn't come out and say the next generation starts when we say it does and make all kinds of c0cky claims.

[pansenbaer]

No, Microsoft isn't c0cky. They don't tell people their console failures are well within industry standards. They don't charge ungodly amounts of money for their first party accessories.

C0cky is all of those things...and then assuming your consumer is blind enough to still buy them.

[candystop]

Quit going on a freaking rant guy. That's not being c_cky silly fool. MS gives you choice and Sony doesn't so deal with it and move on now. What's up with people making up stuff just to sound correct sheesh lol.

[pansenbaer]

What am I making up? Microsoft said failure rates were well within industry standards. That was not true, especially at the time they said it. 100 bucks for a wireless adapter is expensive. I'm not making anything up, not trying to spin anything. Was Sony C0cky, yes. They thought they could come right in and sweep Microsoft away. That didn't work out like they planned. They made mistakes they learned from them. But don't for one second try to tell me that Microsoft wasn't C0cky as well. Have they learned from their mistakes? I think we have yet to see. If they rush the next console and its failure rate is 15 to 20 percent, than no. They haven't learned. I doubt that will happen. They will release a console that has less than 5% failure rate because they have to. They lost too much money extending the warranty to let that happen again.

Yes, its obvious I hate Microsoft. I hold a grudge. My wife was not able to complete a college class because the professor said they had to use Powerpoint to complete their presentation. I WILL NOT shell out 150 to 200 bucks for a freaking Office Suite when OpenOffice does that exact same thing. Well apparently the professor knew that certain formatting was not the same with both programs so she couldn't finish that class. Regardless of weather or not there WOULD have been any changes, the idea that Microsoft Office is the "one true office suite" sickens me. I hate their business practice. Simple as that. I could go on with stories on why I hate them so much, but I will end my rant here :)

[militant07]

xbox360 wirless adabptor isnt normal one !!

its next genration wirless with support with a,b,g

ps3 only support g or b not sure which one .

so it dose make scense about the price.

[Rhoic]

Not to mention he lost all credibility when he tried to make it look like everyone NEEDS a wireless adapter rofl. There is a reason they are called add-ons. It's because they are ADD-ONS. You don't necessarily need one, and MS was smart because it lets the user choose how they want their console to be, instead of them having to buy all these unnecessary add-ons that they probably wont use.

[erodrig]

sony wants but the economy its doing badly as yen rises and dollar is weakening the cost of ps3 will stay the same if by a miracle the situation changes then thy will go ahead n maybe lower the price to say 299 or 249 but no one knows everyone speculates and another reason why 360 always tends to lead in sales is because of every teenager plays with their friend from school on 360 just because its the cheapest they can afford cause mostly don't even afford a ps3 and is ridiculous PS3 has a better value than that 360 console anytime plus great true HD games that are amazing good titles and if u wanna play a la gears of war game buy then Unreal Tournament 3 on ps3 then download the mod for the gears of war characters or even some levels

[lsujester]

Please meet my friends Period and Comma.

[NegativeCreep427]

I'm sure opinion pieces with these types of headlines were running rampant all through the world wide web back through 2000-Early 2002, when the Dreamcast (which was easier to develop for, had a cheaper sticker price, and had more quality games. Sound familiar to all you xbots?) was a legit competitor towards Sony's reign as king console manufacturer. Things looked very bleak for the Playstation 2 earlier this decade, yet Sony certainly has a business model that has come through to eventually grant them the victory in the past.

All I'm saying is that after just two years on the market and with Sony's previous history, I think all these haters should learn to be at least A LITTLE more optimistic towards Sony and its plans for the PS3.

[cyclindk]

Again with the one month sales decrease and the PS3 is doomed bull... Jesus, I thought this idiocy was through with already.

[thereapersson]

Looks like someone needs some journalistic attention. Just move on, everyone...

[ChampIDC]

The Wall Street Journal needing attention? Like they don't get enough already...

Something tells me you just posted based on the title of the article. Good jerb!

[Zhuk]

Sony for years now has been all talk no substance when it comes to gaming and the PlayStation brand. They have always talked up their products by lying and misleading their consumers, promising everything from CG quality graphics to 120fps on their consoles, but in reality they failed to provide even basic functionalities that the Xbox 360 had nearly 3 years ago.

While it took years for Sony to have even basic functionality in their console, the Xbox 360 has taken significant strides to further extend its lead over the PS3 in terms of power, performance, features and functionality. It wont be until 2011 at least when Sony will get to where the Xbox 360 is today

Too little too late Sony, people already realize your lies and have decided that the Xbox 360 is the ultimate home entertainment device this generation.

[Rs]

You know what? I'd let KillZone 2 crush your whole entire arguments.
Zhuk you will be KILLZOWNED !!!

[Narutone66]

Zhuk is the official N4G jester together with pp.

[Deadman64]

lol just like killzone 1 killed halo right?

[sak500]

Yeah sure, let just wait..............

[Dannagar]

KillZone 2 might be all that but it's not like PS3 owners are going to buy it. We heard the same things about LBP and R2 but PS3 owners didn't reward Sony with good sales.

[REDZEV]

by the 4th fiscal quarter of 2009, say good bye to Blu-ray and if Sony doesnt shape up by implementing another price cut you could kiss the POS3 good bye by Sept of 2010. This is no joke.

[mxdan]

And like we should listen to you REDZEV...

Just browsing through your comments shows how much of a flaming fanboy you are.

When it comes down to it the ps3 is a better system both in variety of games and features. The difference is that everyone it POOOOOOORRRR, and won't pay a little extra because there are apparently unable to scrounge for a little extra cash.

The race is far from over though. Ps3 is only ending year 2 and the majority of it's kick ass games come next year.

Regardless though as a consumer, I don't fuking care about how the sales are doing. I care about the games and the features I get. And the games are awesome.

[JeepGamer]

The 360 was getting rofflestomped until they hit bargain bin pricing with their console, I would hardly start running around screaming the successes of a product that had to dramatically slash its prices after being outsold for months in order to "win".

[creeping judas]

But when Sony dropped their price it was strategic. And so it will called when they do it in 2009, strategic.

[Enigma_2099]

... like declaring your console the winner of the "next gen" simply because you're ahead of Sony... and simply just pretending that no one else matters... regardless of how badly they curb stomp your sales.

[JeepGamer]

Please direct me to the website with the Talking Point because I seriously doubt not one, not two, not three, but four people have now made the "When Sony reduces prices its strategic".

Let me guess, somebody somewhere found one article about Sony and how a price reduction by Sony was 'strategic' and slapped it up with some Pro-360 statements or something? There's a word for people like this and we can't use it here in the Gamer Zone.

It is a fact, an absolute fact, that the 360 was getting outsold handily until they did a massive price reduction. There was nothing strategic about such a huge price reduction, it was Microsoft seeing the writing on the wall: Their system was done as a contender at such a high price.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

of negative articles for both PS3 and 360. Fanboys on each side feed off them too. Reaper I know you ain't new to this site dude, you should know this by now bro!

By the way, I just got off of home... and couldn't help but to notice I seen several avatars including my own, that certain limbs didn't load in. I was running around with no feet, caught a dude with no legs, a chick with no face, etc.. I've seen it in patches here and there. But WTF happened man? I seen more of it than ever tonight on home, what gives?

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

it's a shame MS and Sony are too busy worrying about their tech spec's, bragging rights, fighting over exclusives, etc.. they are too busy worrying about eachother...

While Nintendo stays out of the cold bickering and skates away with the #1 spot. Maybe if MS and Sony could do more to get that Nintendo market they would truely feel the number 1 status. But MS for sure, already will feel #1 as long as their console sells better than Sonys...

P.S. = I was just thinking the other day of how bummed I am about PS3 and 360 not doing d!ck with their cameras for games, etc.. Especially PS3. I want EYETOY games Sony common, that sh!t is fun.... and if Sony thought I forgot about how awesome that EYEPET looked, they are mistaken. I WANT EYEPET TO RELEASE SONY....

I also feel games like that would help both definatley dip into that Wii market for sure!

[Firstkn1ghT]

Both consoles are selling well but if anybody believes that the ps3 will catch up to the 360 is just plain delusional. The ps3 has not seen a profit and cannot afford a price cut.

[thereapersson]

Actually FirstTroll, if you have been keeping up on things, the PS3 is set to turn a profit sometime early next year, which is perfect timing for Sony to give it a price cut.

How's the profit margin coming along on the 360 now that MS has dropped the price to 199? You work for MS, don't you? I would hope that with all your fanboy crusading, your weekly compensation checks are coming in the mail...

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Blu-ray royalties and PSN downloads have more than made up for the deficit.

[Voiceofreason]

LOL someone doesnt live in a place we call reality... PSN and blu Ray made up for all the money lost on PS3??? Complete BS.. Sony already admitted that every penny they made off of the PS2 was spent on the PS3.. It will take more than 2 years of low income from those sources to make up that much money..

[Firstkn1ghT]

Actually Sony is HOPING to start profiting sometime next year and once they do finally lower the cost of the ps3 than they have no chance but to lower the price and again taking away their profit margins. And it's no secret that the 360 has been having huge profits.

"Blu-ray royalties and PSN downloads have more than made up for the deficit."

Congratulations!!! Dumbest comment of the month!

[thereapersson]

lmao, you still didn't answer my question, and totally skirted around my post with your preconceived notions.

If you can point me to an article or evidence showing Microsoft is making a profit after the price drop of their console, I will concede this arguement. I have a feeling that they were just beginning to see an opportunity to make a profit, but conceded that opportunity in favor of marketshare with a price drop. It's the reason why Sony hasn't dropped the price yet either -- they are trying to make money off of the system, and they are nearly about to break even. The cost of a PS3 is approximately 449 USD, which is slightly higher than their base model, which sits at 399.

[creeping judas]

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Ap...

cliff notes version "Bowman said current shipment volumes had reached such high levels that the company could afford to depend on volume to rake in a profit despite the lower prices."

Now granted it is a MS spokes person who said this.

Also interesting is this article.

http://www.techspot.com/new...

"The company is expected to achieve break-even point between cost and sales in 2009, according to market research iSuppli, and eventually start making a profit on each console sold in late 2009" - in reference to PS3

Sorry they arent factual numbers but it's a bit of clarity you were looking for??

[thereapersson]

Yes that is helpful, Judas. Thank you for the positive input + bubbles for you.

[gaminoz]

The PS3 will survive. It may be struggling but once they get the price down and some of those juicy exclusives out next year, it'll be fine and then hopefully we'll stop with the 360 and PS3 are gonna die! stuff.

By the end of this gen I still think both will be standing and making another console.

Meanwhile, while Xbots and Sony Fanboys insult each other, the real threat is the 'evil empire' of the Wii, which has infiltrated everywhere without even having to release much quality software!!! I still have mine too, to remind me of the foolishness of believing that Wii Sports heralded a new age in gaming....it kinda stopped right there!

[Voiceofreason]

People said the same thing last year only it was MGS4 and a price drop. Well both of those happened and PS3 was still in last place. Seems every PS3 fanboy thinks Sony will sale 10 million console on the day the drop the price.. You guys couldnt be more delusional.

[hfaze]

"People said the same thing last year only it was MGS4 and a price drop. Well both of those happened and PS3 was still in last place. Seems every PS3 fanboy thinks Sony will sale 10 million console on the day the drop the price.. You guys couldnt be more delusional."

Hmmmm... earlier this year (you know, after the price cut, and ESPECIALLY after MGS4) the PS3 was OUT-SELLING the 360 world-wide (yes, even in the USA). But I guess all of those people buying the PS3 were just delusional...

And "Seems every PS3 fanboy thinks Sony will sale 10 million console on the day the drop the price"... Sony will sale? I guess you mean sell... I sure hope English is NOT your first language...

[gaminoz]

LOL. I've been called an Xbot more than a Sony Fanboy because of my support of the 360 (which I still use more for gaming than my PS3). Now I've been accused of being both! LOL.

I just think the PS3 is too expensive and that's all that's holding it back. I also don't want to see it fail. I love it for the blu ray and the exclusives, but otherwise I play more on my 360.

I even like some stuff on my Wii, but just can't believe how popular it is with barely any decent software.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

KZ2 and Heavy Rain quality... 360 won't stand a chance!. It WASN'T right before with all the "year of the PS3" articles... but 09 has PS3 sitting wayyyyy too pretty. MS should be worried!

[thereapersson]

God of War, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, (hopefully GT: 5) and other well-known franchise titles are set to release next year. I'd say next year is looking pretty good for the PS3's game library.

[Voiceofreason]

Killzone 1 was a failure. Not on the same level as MGS4. God of War 2 bombed on PS2 only selling around 2 million on a console with 120 million units sold. Heavy Rain... Well thats an unproven IP.. You'd think Lair,Haze and all the other PS3 flops would teach you to just shut up and see how the game is before calling it AAA must own. The 08 line up for PS3 looks superior in every way to what is offered in 09.

[Firstkn1ghT]

Just wait till MGS4, LBP, Motorstorm 2, Socom, Resistance 2 and the 360 has NO CHANCE!

Oh wait....*

[thereapersson]

Congratulations for being one of the endess, mindless sheep who believes that Killzone 2 won't improve upon its predcessor; people like you are a dime a dozen, this generation. Then again, you're a fanboy, so I would expect as much out of you.

Voice of reason? Oh, the irony...

[ChampIDC]

I'm positive KZ2 will improve from its predecessor, but the better question is, will it improve enough? Standards are a lot higher these days, so I'm still waiting for a final build to make my judgement. Yeah, plenty of games "look" great before release and in beta, but that doesn't mean the final build won't turn out uninspired and repetetive.

Basically what I'm saying is I like to take the safe route and not make too many early assumptions about a game. This happens far too often, and people become disappointed when they find out their game didn't live up to their overly lofty expectations.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

This is just journalism, people. They'll do anything to get a hit.

Soulless c0cksuckers...that's all they are.

[pnmen]

There's something i don't understand with 360 fanboys. Do you actually want the Ps3 to die ? Do you want Sony to leave the console race ?
obviously yes.
just think a second. would you enjoy console video gaming with only two competitors : Nintendo, the casual / child device, and the future 720, which would be nothing else than a game dedicated PC, with no competitors.
When I use Vista on my computer, i feel lucky there are still great competitors to challenge Microsoft on the console area.

I sincerely hope the PS3 will survive. comptetition is the heart of the gaming industry. that's why i don't understand 360 fanboys. Maybe you were Sega fanboys in another life ... ???

[thenickel]

The Playstation brand will be fine just like 360 so don't let this doom and gloom news bring you down.

[S M N]

sony:
have solid console's with 10 years strategy each.
proof: ps2 still sell great every week even with HD consoles on the market for 2-3 years.

MS:
have "what can i do now to sell more even if what i sell is crab" strategy
proof: xbox 360

[ChampIDC]

Microsoft sells crabs? Possibly GIANT ENEMY CRABS???

[San anto]

*insert generic ps3 failing title here for teh internets hitz*

[darkequitus]

What is the point of this? Why are people approving this tripe all the time. I am sick of these just like the millionth RROD article.

There is no dreamcast of this generation. Face it fanboys. Both the 360 and the PS3 are doing fine whether you like it or not.

darkequitus:psn/xbl

[helrazor343]

Aren't all you "journalists" getting tired of rewording the same tired article over and over again? Seriously, I think we're all tired of reading it, that's for sure. Besides, I'm pretty sure there are many gamers like me out there that just know what they like, and will be happy and content with their own choices that won't be swayed by all these retarded articles. Why do you even care who's in, what place, it's not like M$, Sony, or Nintendo are going anywhere. I would like to read some game related articles that are substantive, and informative for a change, not all of these time-wasters, that plague every single site that I go to.

[nizza]

Sales mean nothing if your not making any money from your product.
Selling lots of units at a loss is just stupid.

Example:
2 salesmen are working in a car lot, one of them sells only 5 cars in one week, the other sells 10 times more than him at 50 cars for the week.
The difference between the 2 salesmen is that the first guy makes $150 on each car he sells making the company $750 where as the other guy undercuts his counterpart by $200 on each sale.
that salesman is now costing the company $50 per car for a grand total of $2500 loss.
Which salesman would you keep?

I'd rather sell 5 million consoles at cost than double my sales and sell 10 million at $50 loss per unit.

I would also want to minimize the number of units sold whilst it was costing me money. Selling only enough to keep it ticking over.

Once it started to break even, and then again once it started to turn a profit, I'd start to really push it for sales.

Sales numbers mean nothing if your not making a profit!

[thereapersson]

Pretty much...

[evrfighter]

which is exactly why I find it humorous when I see people talking ps3 sales. Sales numbers mean nothing if your not making a profit.

[thenickel]

Yeah but PS3 isn't making any profit per console like the 360 is, and on top of that 360 makes it up in software and services as well. All around 360 is making money one way or another and what Sony is doing is sticking to a higher price hoping parts prices will fall. They are in a bad position but whenever there able to make money on it things will change. It's silly to question MS's selling tactics when it's a lot more thought out then Sony's and smarter.

[evrfighter]

@thenickel - that's what I meant actually, not sure if you were talking to me or not though

[Nexy]

Just curious... a question to all the guys here bashing the article..

How many of you have actually read it? It needs subscription. Have you subscribed to WSJ to read the entire article to give your well-thought comments?

[S M N]

the title just enough to move the defence force

[Gantrfaxx]

I would rather play Killzone 2, Heavy rain, God Of War 3, Uncharted 2 ... next year than anything else in this world.
I can't figure out how can Ps3 be a failure.

[ChampIDC]

Unfortunately, your love for it woudln't save it if it was failing, but it's not, so don't worry. Maybe it's not doing as well as planned, but it's still alive, and you're getting good games next year, so be happy!

[pcz]

stop being so damn greedy!

[ActionBastard]

Nevermind. I just don't care.

[paracardium]

anyone remember the ps2 had these same articles of doom and look what happened..it destroyed the competition including the first the xbox..noone is worried but the 360 owners. Keep up the cooments tho 360 fans they are good for a laugh.

[rmedtx888]

A person I know works in one of the 5 companies that repair Xbox 360, They get 4-5 trailer containers full of Xbox 360s each week to be repaired(this is one of the 5 companies). He says that the console is of the worst quality. That I think is one of the reasons why it's cheaper. It has the graphics power but not the reliability of Sony or Nintendo. I know that a lot of my friends have gotten Xbox 360 as a christmas gift from their wives or girlfriends because it was cheap $199. People don't do the math. Add a hard drive and it will cost way more (cheap version)and still you will be short of a Blu-ray player. That are around what? $299 for the cheapest?

[evrfighter]

you forget though. There's also a type of buyer that buys in parts FULLY INTENDING to upgrade. I would buy a 360 because it's cheap one paycheck and have enough for bills/food/etc. Enjoy some games without the hard drive for a few weeks then use my next paycheck to pick up the hard drive. Why? because it's within my budget and putting money aside is not my strong point. That's how I built both of my gaming pc's. I bought them by the part.

Now if Sony offered a $199 barebones ps3 without much accessories. I probably...No I definately WOULD go the sony route. Putting $400 aside like I said isn't my strong point. I'd probably buy the latest video card for the pc once I saved enough. Buying a barebones ps3 at $199 would pretty much force me into buying everything else.

[ultimolu]

...*moves away to select a game to play for the night*

I grow tired of these articles and therefore, I'm playing the games from now on.

Sony needs to drop the price of the PS3. That's *it*. It doesn't need saving because it has great games and great services. It just needs a pricecut for the folks who can't afford it right now.

[DeadIIIRed]

Regardless of who is in the lead between the 360 and the PS3, the sales are nearly dead even. Just get the platform and games that your friends have and move on.

[ultimolu]

DeathroW, give up. Seriously, give up. All you'll get from 360 fanboys are hisses, growls, and the slamming of the disagree button.

I gave up with them.

Ignore and move on.

[SONYSLAVE]

you are so freaking stupid.

[ultimolu]

Wow and you're an imbecilic moron.

Get a life.

[McLuvn]

down 36%-----who were the real losers this year?
so they trash talk sony, big whoop.

[AliC]

When will these damn articles, just die.

[Captain Tuttle]

When the PS3 is no longer in third place.

[Dread]

do not be naive.. we all know that MS pays for these negative adds.

This is just the Wall Street Journal. what do they know about the economy and the markets?

Remember everyone is against sony and there are really no valid criticisms that can be made against our beloved company.

Even CNN criticized Sony. Clearly MS paid them as well. I mean what does CNN know about reporting news?

Here at N4G, the Sony Defense Force and Sackboys alike, know the real reality. Not this fake reality. so do not worry because these articles are not true. Sony is winning the console war and that is that.

I love Sony and they can do nothing wrong. Hail Sony! Hail Sony! Hail Sony!

MS Bad MS Bad MS Bad.

Journalism bad when they criticize Sony
Journalism ban when they Criticize Sony

keep the mantra going Sony Defense Force

peace

[ultimolu]

When people actually play games and realize that all three consoles are here to stay.

[Dread]

@ulti

you are 100% correct

I also think all consoles are here to stay. also, this competition is great for the industry. we should all be grateful that someone is directly and aggressively competing against Sony. It is the only way to guarantee great games for us true gamers.

I hope i do not come off as a fanboy with my last comment, but i am tired of the fanboys in N4G constantly stating that journalist know less than they do. I mean, i can agree that a blog here and there is not newsworthy, but extending that argument against Wall Street Journal and CNN is ridiculous.

peace

[pansenbaer]

Damn ultimolu coming in here and spreading her slanderous logic...

[Nemo88]

Ah yes cause everything we get in the media is gospel and unbiased.
These corporations dont have an agenda, they present us with all the news and facts, not the ones *they* deem newsworthy.. Various networks/broadcasters have never been found to be being misleading or dishonest/ biased. The writer of this article presented all the facts, not the ones he attributes to PS3's "fading chances of being a comeback player" /sarcasm

Not that this is necessarily the case here, but just cause CNN or the WSJ reports something doesnt mean its entirely true, correct or the whole picture. lol QUESTION EVERYTHING!!!

[rmedtx888]

evrfighter,

I agree that an affordable product that can be upgraded later sounds like a great idea but what abut quality. Imagine in a 6 month period you have all you wanted in upgrades but you need to send the unit for repairs.

[Stereojet]

This whole anti PS3 thing comes from America. Americans think the whole world consists of the USA, these constant "low sales" PS3 news articles are just further proof of how ignorant in general Americans actually are.

[Dread]

your comment is very discriminatory (which i resent) and also wrong.

Firstly i agree that America is not the center of the universe. Anyone who suggests that is just plain ignorant.

However, do not act like the U.S. is not the biggest market in the world for gaming. That is a fact. there is lots more money to be made in the U.S. for the gaming business.

Stop pretending that U.S. is not an important market and stop insulting people because they were born in the U.S.

What happens in the U.S., like it or not, affects the gaming industry. low sales in the U.S. is important. and regardless of what u think of the U.S., the people who actually invest in the gaming industry (not gamers, real investors), do care what happens there.

So if the Sony is not performing as expected in the U.S., that is newsworthy.

I respect and love Europe. But this has to do with business not nationality. If Sony is destroying the competition in Europe that is fine. But until Europeans spend as much in gaming as the U.S., stop blaming everything on "ignorant americans" and arrogant american journalist.

[NipGrip]

If there's more money to be made in gaming in America then why are so many companies coming out saying the PS3 is making them more money on software sales? Oh.. Because the dollar is crap right now. Get over it. America is not the end all, be all market.

[pwnsause]

lol we only have 2 days till the new year and we still have these articles upon us? funny how we still have there's articles upon us, yet the PS3 is selling at a faster rate than the 360 did on its second year, not to mention its outsold the 360 from January to september of this year, until MS cut the price of the 360 in september.

[Kill Crow]

10 or 20 thousand during that whole time ...

Since then 360 has been outselling PS3 by hundreds of thousands ...

Time doesn't mean nothing ... total sales does !!!

[dukadork]

you're like a ford fiesta owner looking at a BMW owner and saying:
hey, i'm better than you cuz my car sells more!

the BMW owner looks at you with a smile on his face and sez:
yeah sure :)

lmao

[rko_kero]

Ok why does it matter who wins you losers?

I had a PS2 and I enjoyed it. My best friend had an Xbox, he enjoyed it and yet we both look at it as entertainment. You guys are losers if you think the loser of the 'war' will stop supporting its consoles. Xbox lost by alot yet they didnt stop so shut the F up!

[HDgamer]

Yeah, let's trust the wall street journal when this country is going into a recession. At least I can think for myself when I know when other non gaming sources and let's say random articles from people who talk about bs. Ps3 is around 18-20 million install base. Come on I'm not as stupid as the rest of the people who ignore install bases.

[Knightofelemia]

Honestly Sony needs to rethink a strategy i enjoy my PS3. What they should do to cut a cost is rerelease a 40 gig or even a 20 gig PS3. At a cheaper price I mean a 160gig at 500 bux is to much. If they release a 40 at a cheaper price people will pay for it. Also you can upgrade the HDD at half the price then going out and buying the 160. I found a store that still sells the 40 gig but it is 20 dollars cheaper than the 80.

[Anon1974]

So for 2007 the 360 sold just over 7 million consoles and the PS3 sold just over 7 million consoles.
2008 is wrapping up and the 360 has moved just over 10 million consoles and the PS3 has moved...oh...look at that. Just over 10 million consoles.

Now let's forget for a second that the 360 had been outsold all year up until the price drop, that even with the price drop they showed zero growth in the US for 2008 vs 2007 as compared to the PS3 which sold 40% more units in the US in 2008. I own both consoles either way so it doesn't matter to me but usually it's the smaller sites, or sites that just wish to incite fanboy wars for hits that make this kind of rookie mistake and yet here we are with a number of mainstream news sources predicting doom despite what the actual numbers show. What gives?

Wouldn't you think a newspaper of the caliber of The Wall Street Journal would bother to find out that worldwide the 360 and PS3 have been neck and neck since the PS3 launched before adding their voice to the Sony doom and gloom predictions? Do they really think that battle for this gen will be won in the US alone?

[mint royale]

but it swings both sides. This article is crap but so is 50% of N4g that constantly claims the 360 is either dead or on its death bed. All the consoles are here to stay.

The 360 has also seen slower growth in the US 2007 vs 2008 because 2007 had halo which blitzed the competition last year (it even outsold the wii for a month) and the 360 has faced much stronger competition for its sales - nintendo are producing just over 2.4 million wii's a month to cure the shortage and sony cut the price to bring sales up and now it competes with the 360 in 2008 as opposed to the gameboy advance in 2007.

[Anon1974]

When you look at hardware sales for the 360, Halo really didn't budge the amount of units moved month over month. I've heard people mention before "Well, yeah but they can't do as well as when Halo launched." I don't know if that's true.
Halo launched on the 27th of Sept and Oct sales were up about 70,000 units. Still, by contrast, the 360 had their price cut early Sept of 2008 and sales were still down 35% for Sept, 37% for October year over year. And let's not forget that up to that point the 360 was in 3rd place worldwide all year long.

I don't agree that the 360 is on it's deathbed, but certainly when you look at the news being reported there seems to be 10 times more "PS3 is doomed" articles than "360 is doomed" despite selling neck and neck. I don't buy into the vast anti-Sony conspiracies but it does make you wonder.
If they unveil the new Xbox in 2009, what do you think will happen to 360 sales at that point? We know it's coming soon, but it's like the elephant in the room. No one wants to talk about it.

[mint royale]

and there will be a massive increase in xbox sales due to the mass advertising campaign that was halo.

The price cut is mis leading with the figures you put up because although the price cut came in september in Europe ( I think in America too but I could be wrong) this isn't where the majority of console sales come. MS positioned themselves for christmas and its paid off and they have totally negated the lead the ps3 had over it this year. The important figures of christmas 2008 vs christmas 2007 is where the 360 has improved the most, especially in Europe where it is outselling the ps3 in a region no one thought was possible. As a result the 360 is much better placed for 2009 than it was for 2008, and will have a significant advantage over the ps3 until the ps3 gets its pricecut.

[Anon1974]

The increase in sales due to the price cut is all well and good but bear in mind it's simply breaking even with the PS3 now. It's had a better showing this holiday season (interestingly though it's still unable to do Wii-like numbers despite being the cheaper console) but how long will that last for? Why were sales so slow for all of 2008 for the 360 and will those factors come into play again in 2009? Will the PS3 still show 40% growth again in the US for 2009 like 2008?

I don't really see any strategic advantage for the 360 going into 2009, unless they can keep their holiday momentum rolling. Time will tell.

[mint royale]

true, if you mean 2008 sales but going into 2009 the 360 will be outselling the ps3 in the same way it is now which is a huge contrast from January 2008 where the ps3 picked up from the price cut and was outseling the ps3.

Why was the 360 so slow at the beginning of 2008? Well it was the price! The 360 was the oldest console ever to not have a price cut in history (a record just taken by the wii). As a result all the people willing to buy the 360 at its price were gone and sales struggled.

Will the ps3 show a 40% growth again? If there is a pricecut then yes but if not then no as the ps3 will soon run into the same problem as the 360 - all the people willing to buy the system at its current price have one. A pricecut will give it greater value to more consumers and hence more sales.

Why is the xbox not outselling the wii? Its all about value. At the same price although the xbox has more features more people see value in the wii - its the cool thing and the majority of people would rather have a wii over an xbox or a ps3 - note im not neccessarily talking about hardcore gamers here but the whole population.

As for the xbox's strategic advantage, well they have a huge one - a mass market price. Microsoft also has the advantage of being able to afford another price cut to counter one from sony if neccessary - they don't lose more money on xbox's even at this price than sony do at ps3's. Next year the 360 will be out for 4 years - there is no reason why they can't afford to have a price half of that from launch. The 360 took ages to have a price cut but the costs were always coming down.

[LittleBigKillzone]

http://dir.salon.com/story/... click on that article link. Its a very intresting article from october 2000, it goes on to say how the dreamcast is the better buy over the PS2 because the PS2 lacks quality titles, to expensive, very hard to develop for and the dreamcast has better online capablities (Sound famliar) it even goes on to say that even John Carmack said the PS2 was a nightmare to develop for. (Hmm again sound familiar) very intresting read, the name of the article is even titled "Dont buy that playstation" you guys should read it, it will shock you. remember this is also a Time magazine article

[GrandTheftZamboni]

Now they're recycling articles. Just change the date and console names.
Ha ha ha.

[darkmurder]

Haha quite ironic, if only it would happen (don't flame me for this) seeming as though MS have 20 billion stashed away there is no chance of this occuring, maybe next Xbox?

[ultimolu]

It's the same ol' tale from loooong ago. :D

[Veneno]

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the writer the same author of one of the recent PS3 doom articles? Anyway, you're a fool if you read WSJ or Time for gaming news since they only write about 3 articles a year on the gaming industry and don't cover specific games unless a kid shoots up his school.

[GrandTheftZamboni]

stocks owned by the author of this article and his editor.

They bought bunch of falling MS stocks and now they are not happy.

[pippoppow]

If the PS3 is only about 5 mil behind Xbox360 with a 1-1.5 year late start depending on region and it has been sold for $100-$200 more in price, then doesnt that mean it has done well ?! I'd say very well. The only reason 360 is in the lead is because of it's year head start.

[LittleBigKillzone]

ok Was the Iphone doomed several months ago when it was selling like crap due to its high price?! now the Iphone is $200.00 and they are still selling like hotcakes.. the PS3 is a lot like the iphone, everyone knows its the best console out of the 3, has more features and better potential and cutting edge technology, its just too expensive for most people. Same with the PS3, once it gets a good price cut it will sell like crazy much like the Iphone did upon its price cut.

Just because the Iphone was selling poorly at first doesnt mean it was a bad phone, infact it was the best phone on the market, just to expensive.

[Captain Tuttle]

The iPhone never sold poorly.

[pansenbaer]

...Which is really sad when you think about it. The iphone launched at the same price as the PS3 (499 for 8 GIG 599 for 16 GIG) but it sold more than the PS3. Why anybody would pay that much for a phone is beyond me.

[BIGBAER]

Because the iphone is more useful than the PS3, at least to non-gamers. Cooler too. Admit it.

[lsujester]

Jesus, people should get over this console war crap and just play some games.

[memots]

THANK you.

I love chatting in forum about gaming news. But this is just crap. let talk about game people not sales and market share and attach rate. Who gives a fraken buckload of horse ****.

[jethro_jones]

to say the PS3 is winning or will win over the 360. Ok so the PS3 has sold 700k consoles/year more than the 360 since the PS3 was released? So at that pace the PS3 will catch up to the 360 in the year 2015.

Nice point PS3 fanboys.

Look at is this way - Neither console is superior to the other. They are both great systems. The PS3 might have newer technology, but it is more expensive and admit it, this newer technology does not produce better games (even if it did, why would game developers produce PS3 exclusives when there are way more 360 users and their games probably would sell more if they were also developed on the 360?)

PS3 needs to just accept its 3rd place for this generation and I don't think Microsoft nor Sony is going to make a completely new console anytime soon unless the global recession ends and our economy gets a lot stronger. People aren't going to dish out $500 for a new console anytime soon when there are the excellent 360's and PS3's available for $300-$400.

[jerander]

I'm guessing your the type that once you are loosing in a game you walk away and throw in the towel. Keep in mind the game does not end till they stop making the console.

PS3 still has another 7 years.
360 has maybe 2-3 years left.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

You nuts can post all the numbers you want. Sony can't hide it's financial status with the ps3 no better than MS can with the rrod issues. Your bragging of sales data which are never consistent isn't holding water to support a price drop for the ps3. Sony is losing money on the ps3 all you sony kids can do is but this but that fact this fact that.

Reality says otherwise. Sony got issues and no amount of whining by you kids can change it.

[Anon1974]

It wanted you to know that Sony's games division isn't just the PS3. It's also pushing the PS2 hard into new Asian and South American markets - and PS2 games still routinely find their way into the top 10 lists for sales, not to mention the money made off the PSP. Just like Sony sells both hi-end and low-end televisions there are different tiers of games consoles for different markets. No one suggests Sony slash prices of their other hi-end electronics because they don't sell as many units as the lower end products.

So Sony's games division expects to take a hit on the PS3, just like MS did for the first couple of years with the 360 hardware. Pointing out that the PS3 still losses money on hardware is insignificant at this point because everyone knows it's what Sony planned for, just like they did with the PS2 and just like MS did with the 360. The difference is that MS had to take an unexpected extra hit of 2 billion for the warranty issue due to their own poor management. I'd be surprised if the 360 makes a dime when it's all over and it's replaced by the next Xbox. 3 billion is a lot to make up when you're only making $400 million a year and that's not counting what the price cuts have done to that $400 million number.

[dcbronco]

Reality left a few things out. While the 360 did lose money longer than anticipated, it is making a profit now. The price cuts were made because the cost of making the consoles has gone down enough to make it possible. iSupply, the industry authority on these things, estimates the 360 makes a profit on each console while the PS3 still loses almost $50 per console. And while there are more than the PS3 in Sony's games division, there is more than the 360 in Microsoft's Devices devision. Things like the Zune and Surface. Also marketing for Office for Mac. The 360 is the only thing in the devision that makes money.

The PS3 kills all the profits from the PSP and PS2. Over 4 billion to date. Add the cost of people switching to Blu-ray and it's closer to 6 billion. So while RRoD has cost 2 billion, the 360 would have been profitable a long time without that problem. The PS3 on the other hand cost what it cost with no problems. It sent Sony from first to last. It may have drained them of so much money that they will have to make a slightly upgraded machine for the PS4. And it has allowed one of the wealthiest companies in the world to gain a solid foothold in their territory. Add that Sony televisions are not the world leader anymore, Vizio and Samsung own that now, Sony has a lot of trouble ahead.

And for all the people who believe that the 360 is only strong in the US, that may be true. But it only has to hold strong everywhere else. Because the US is by far the largest market in the world.

[Anon1974]

But there are some issues that need clarifying. The PS3 may have been an investment of 4 billion, but it wasn't a loss of 4 billion. The costs associated with the startup of the PS3 were calculated and offset by profit made by the PS2 and PSP. Microsoft cannot make the same claim. Marketing for Office doesn't factor into MS's games division anymore than Sony's credit card business comes out of their games division. I was focusing just on the games business.

As for the 360 being profitable a long time ago if it weren't for rrod, that might be true but it's a moot point. The warranty extension did happen and the MS games division is still staring out of just over a 3 billion dollar hole that they might get out of before the 720 is launched, but probably not at the current rate. Losing billions to win this generation of consoles isn't something that's very palatable to shareholders and it's not surprising that some financial analysts are openly wondering why MS doesn't switch back to software after getting close to a decade of losses in their games division and sit the next gen out. It wouldn't be the first time MS pulled the plug on money losing hardware. They aren't going to can the 360 now that it's finally making money - but I wouldn't be surprised if they sat out next gen. By contrast Sony's longer term strategy hasn't failed them yet.

[yanikins111]

wait up,everyone is claiming that MS is making money on the 360....How the hell do you know that? Didnt ISupply just release figures for the ps3 still losing sony $50 per sale? Someone also brought up that Isupply calulates the wii is losing 6 dollars, or only making 6 dollars per sale. moot point because i doubt the 360 with all its HD tech is costing less to manufacture than the wii, yet look at the price point.

THEN factor in the 1 BILLION dollars set aside for the rrod fiasco, then set aside more money for all the other problems with poorly produced device. Hey then again, they are cheap and nasty. maybe they are cheaper than the wii...

[ASSASSYN 36o]

The ps3 lost $3 billion which is about equivalent to everything it made selling PS2s during its peak years. So much for it's ps2 game division. And this article is in aug. 08 and nothing has gotten better.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008...

Nintendo last month sold 2 million Wii machines in the U.S., while Microsoft sold 836,000 Xbox 360s and Sony sold 378,000 PS3s, according to NPD.

[morganfell]

So the PS3 is attempting to do something Microsoft has yet to do - sell 10 million consoles in a fiscal year and because they may not do what MS has yet to do then they are failing? The thing is they will hit that mark. Killzone 2 will make sure of that.

[air1]

just like mgs4,lbp and r2 was supposed to move millions of ps3 consoles?! lol...

we all know the only thing that will help the ps3 is a price cut.

funny how things turn around, now we can say that it is sony that is desperate with a price cut. assuming sony realizes that they need a price cut, they still think that all they need is quality games to win..

ppfff like gears 2 l4d fable 2 are not quality games that is on a console for 199...

kz2 looks frikin great, but not 500 dollars great... and dont forget to buy an hdmi cable to see those great graphics..

[morganfell]

Don't forget 4-5 years of Live costs.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

don't forget demo cost and the cost for extras in home :)

[b777conehead]

OK air 1 and the analyst out there that says that the ps3 is to high for the economy. they need to give there degrees back are there just fan boys.
80gig ps 3 399 dolors
out the box you get a 80 gig hard drive . blue ray player. wireless INTERNET free on line. plus the best gaming machine on the market.
the 199.00 360 to upgrade it to have a hard drive wireless INTERNET. it ends up costing 447 dolors for a 60 gig hard drive wireless INTERNET. plus the 447 is with 50 added for live witch you have to pay yearly.if you add the 120 gig hardrive your looking at 500.00
so air 1 and you bad analyst you get more for your money buying the ps3. plus no rrod with the ps3

[ezcex]

wtf are you talking about. home costs and demo costs? those are all IF you want to. big word "IF" for the xbox live people "HAVE" to pay to play key word "HAVE"

[SprayandPreycom]

that its one of the best blue ray players ... rofl ...

[memots]

that its one of the best DVD players since ps2 ... Teh rofl ...

[bviperz]

Oh SNAP!

[Veneno]

Cuz being the best at something is the best compliment you can get.

[Godmars290]

Because the holidays are over, the PS3 has a number of impressive games that give it some marks over the 360 while the 360 has less so, and the euphoria over a $200 360 is about to wear out.

And while a new price cut will make them more competitive to the Wii, if MS has to take anything more out of the SKU its going to show its shortcomings.

[Menech]

I only bought a PS3 a month back it better not fall out of the console battle soon I love owning both the 360 and the PS3 laughing at people fighting over which is better. When both have there pros and cons.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

They are kings of spreading FUD across the net...

[R2-JD]

Agreed! Instead of putting out quality products (360's that RROD still to this day and a joke of an OS called Vista) they would rather pay money to be the king's of spreading FUD.

JD

[Menech]

Its beyond me how single console owning Sony fanboys can be so retarded... A guy is going around with F^ck Microsoft as his avatar for Christ sake and you give him bubbles!!!???!!!. He's most likely a 12 year old boy with a horny uncle getting picked on at school and your all spamming the agree button grow up and get both systems. Or atleast expect different types of gamers have different gaming needs.

[R2-JD]

Nope, not a twelve year old. I am a successful full grown adult (which is more than I can say for you!) that is sick and tired of a company called Micro$oft that has dominated way too long only because they have way too much money to throw around either buying up companies or trying to ruin companies with BS.

Yes I only play on the PS3 now (just beacause I don't feel the need to get a Wii) but that doesn't mean I don't know anything else. I have been playing games since the Mattel Intellivision (in case you don't know what that is Google it) and pretty much EVERY machine in between. I have owned the original Xbox and the 360 (went through 3 RROD's before I said enough) and will never go back. I also broke free of the ridiculously bug riddled and crashtastic Windows world by getting a Mac which blows away any PC I have ever owned.

Yes my avatar says F*CK Micro$oft because I can't stand them as a whole. I never made a single slanderous comment to any one personally like you have to me.

And to quote your last line "Or atleast expect different types of gamers have different gaming needs." HMMM, maybe MicroCrap and all the sites that put out BS stories like this should listen to that, don't you think? You do not see Sony using smear campaigns like Micro$oft does.

JD

[NipGrip]

because the PS3 doesn't sell more or as many units as the 360, it's DOOOOOOMEEDD!? Doesn't make sense. In this case, the PS3 and 360 are doomed as neither are ever going to sell as many as Nintendo's Wii. BMW is also doomed as it's not selling as many units as Honda. High end restaurants are doomed as they don't sell as many units as McDonalds, etc, etc..

It's not even like the margin is that great between the two console makers. This is bullsh!t article by WSG spreading nothing but FUD. Good ole MS, the best in the biz at spreading FUD. Tacky, tasteless, and the reason I don't own a 360, they try to polarize the gamers WAY too much by inciting a "console war".

[yanikins111]

just a little side note for everyone claiming this "cant be fud because its the wall street journal"..... You really dont think its possible that an american publication could be in favour of an american based company succeeding in a very reccession "resistant" games industry? Come on! Its the land of the corrupt and shady. Everyone thought ENRON was the bees-knees too hey. Hell and lets not forget that the high powers told us the world was flat for oh, A FEW THOUSAND YEARS. Really this comment has nothing to do with this article at all and more to do with the fact so many people will follow blindly because of a name.

Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely

Conspiracy theorist maybe, but i cant help but laugh when ANYONE claims the ps3 is "dying" when its major competitor is a fraction of the price and only JUST outsells it.

[Funky Town_TX]

Wall Street are the same people that slams American auto makers. I thought both consoles were made in China anyway.

[yanikins111]

they probably both are, however, microsoft is an american based company. Microsoft does well, more American Jobs. Sony does well, doesnt lead to more american jobs. An american publication talking up an american product, Doesnt suprise me in the least.

[SprayandPreycom]

will it still have the ps2 controller ...? rofl...
love that bumper action...
reason why ps3 is fading... they try to copy everything 360 does achievements/trophies...
feels like highschool in here..

[NipGrip]

Actually.. I forgot this old adage:

"Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference."

[NickIni]

Ahh, the "X copied X" game that under 10s play.

-Achievements are really popular. PS3 owners requested for something similar, so Sony added trophies.
-Miis are successful, and with Sony bringing out Home, they didn't want to be left behind in the user customisation field, so they added avatars.
-Singstar is popular, so MS made Lips to get a bit of the action.

It's business. Copying for the sake of progress.

[Funky Town_TX]

The PS3 still has time. I remember all the xbox360 is dead stuff back in 06. Once Sony drops the price before Killzone 2 comes out then things will get better. I think the PS3 can sell just on the name alone. All the bean counters on N4G need to chill and just continue to game.

[Lord Xire]

So while you try to defend the Ps3 on boards the "media" the people with the voice that is heard and listened to by the weak minded (probably 75%-80% of the world) will feed into it....

All it will take is a one week of media onslaught.

[Anon1974]

The media has been shouting about the death of the PS3 before it even launched and it still sold 17 million in it's first two years, 4 million more than the 360 managed, and has been neck and neck with the 360 since it launched at a higher price point with stiff competition. Clearly consumers get it even if some media outlets don't.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

Truth is it did better than last year...a fact in which in hardware and software sales is true....CAN MS ( 360 ) say the same

[kewlkat007]

..

[Godmars290]

They just need to pay for a sympathetic ear...

Though with their ties to the entertainment industry, you'd think that Sony would pay for them to be deaf.

[ktchong]

who is certainly no friend of Microsoft.

This WSJ article is aimed at investors (i.e., mature adults.) It is just pointing out that the PS3 isn't doing so well financially -- it *is* the most-respected financial newspapers in the world. Its intention is not to placate the immature mindless teenage PS3 fanboys who are clogging N4G. The WSJ is not part of the mindless fanboy war and could care less about how the mindless Sony fanboys would react to the facts it's reporting.

The WSJ is just reporting financial news. That's what the WSJ does.

[Anon1974]

Daisuke Wakabayashi's articles have been published in many, many different publications but one thing remains constant. 99% of those articles are about Microsoft. He has interviews with Microsoft’s Chief Software Architect Ray Ozzie and knows what's on Microsoft's chief executive officer Steve Ballmer's Zune and yet he doesn't seem to know the correct number of PS3's sold this year. Take that for what it's worth.

[Irishrocket69]

Not the way Sony would like to start the new year!

[f4nb0i]

I recently bought a PS3 even though all my mates have 360's.
It's brillant for blu-ray and as a media player, hence my decision to buy it.

But from what ive seen, the games look turd on playstation (at least multiplatforms that ive got/rented) in relation to my mates 360.

Taking mirrors edge - the AA makes the 360 look better in my eyes, some of the exclusives appear to have fairly good graphics though. I'm getting drakes fortune soon and stars warsforce unleashed. I'll see how they play.

Ps. I couldnt stand the 360 RROD, drive noise and lack of Blu-ray player. (I used to own a 360)

Please note:- This is NOT FACT, just opinion.

[Mitch_Cumstein]

before LittleBigPlanet, then why even bother with the PS3. If you have a PS3 and don't have LBP you are an idiot. That is fact.

[Chrissy]

You people act like its all over already. Zeebo may claim bronze in the end. samba > sony

[dirtrider]

DeathroW, give up. Seriously, give up. All you'll get from sony fanboys are hisses, growls, and the slamming of the disagree button.<------their juuken the dumbass, i made this post true for you.......... the ONLY idiots that ever AGREE with ya dumb bullsh1t are the sonyfanfags anyways, real people would never AGREE with the pure sh1t you type. remember, we "fear" the "momentum" of the ps3..........lmfao it got slaughtered since sept, what the fvck do you mean by "momentum".......... .....silly fat girl- learn how to read sales data

[yz250]

why is it when american sales data, or articles get posted on n4g, the majority of the comments i see are racist, anti-american comments? so when "news" comes from a european site, that i disagree with, am i suppose to stoop as low as the racist, crappy acting people that are known to be ps3 fanboys and make sh1tty irrevelant comments about europeans??????????grow up people.

[AlphaTrion187]

The install makes the 360 drive sound just like the p3 also rrod are less likely at least on my end and Mass Effect 2 or any of the trilogy are not hitting the p3 till the saga is done on 360 so sorry for u p3 heads but mass effect is superior gaming regardless of preference. yeah yeah drakes is hot, yeah killzone got graphics might be 5 hours long not cool, theres GOW3 but guarantee that the game dont drop till 2010 as well as ff13, soo i personally am waiting on white knight i care not what these funny japanese nay sayers are talking about i bet because they are diving head first into the online gaming world they are not to interested in this new direction. the graphics are beastly hopefully the story as well as the gameplay hold up, i am a true rpg fan so me no worry bout u haters....lol

[hadouken007]

its the only way this site gets hits off ps3 hate,and it makes the fanboys come out.

[SprayandPreycom]

my very first blue ray player it kicks Ass
and the controller well it makes a pretty dam good remote...

oh yeah How about them COWBOYS.!!!

[AlphaTrion187]

most people have it for bluray not a gaming system this was not the case wit p2 ..... message

[FF7numba1]

kool 360 are well because of the recession and naive consumers. However playstation software in 2008 was arguable the best of 2008.

[kesvalk]

who cares! you guys have MGS4 and Final Fantasy 13 versus!!!

you guys should stop to fight and just play! goddamnit famboys!

[molsen81]

If the PS3 continues to stay in 3rd place, will Sony have support from both gamers and developers for a next gen system or is this the end? I'm hoping for a price drop, but that would require Sony to lower their ego.

[Lord Vader]

Nintendo last month sold 2 million Wii machines in the U.S., while Microsoft sold 836,000 Xbox 360s and Sony sold 378,000 PS3s, according to NPD.

Last month, four of the five best-selling U.S. games were exclusive to either the Wii or Xbox 360, according to NPD. Sony's best-selling game during the month was an action shooter game, Call of Duty: World at War from Activision Blizzard Inc. But twice as many people bought the Xbox 360 version.

Sony is still losing money on every PS3 it sells at $399, so a price cut could push the games division back into the red, analysts say.

Meanwhile, poor sales of television sets and digital cameras are forcing the company to lay off thousands of staff and close factories.

Part of Sony's strategy hinged on selling the PS3 as a relatively inexpensive Blu-ray player. But prices of Blu-ray players have fallen so sharply recently -- new players are available for less than $200 -- that it's possible to buy a Blu-ray player and an Xbox 360 for less than a PS3.

If Sony doesn't close the gap with its rivals, it could risk making the PS3 an afterthought to game publishers, who focus most of their resources on the machines with the most users.

[kesvalk]

they are not putting most of their resources on the console with the most users...

[Anon1974]

Quoting one month's worth of sales in one region doesn't really tell the whole story now, does it? Developers are singing a bit of a different tune, with more than a few large developers not being shy about the PS3 being the biggest money maker for them, EA being one of those voices. If we were to buy into your theory everyone would be falling all over themselves to make Wii games and that certainly isn't happening.

You make it sound like Sony's decision to trim jobs and factories was made suddenly due to pressure on the company instead of being part of a long term cost-cutting process that started 2 years ago. There's speculation that Sony may lose their appeal to game makers, but it's just that...speculation. If you want to talk facts, stick to the facts. Like these ones.

In two years the PS3 moved 17 million consoles vs the 360 moving 13 million. Since the PS3 launched it's sold neck and neck with the 360 worldwide. Up to November of this year, 360 sales were down 7% in the US vs the PS3's sales which were up 40% year over year. Monthly sales data is useful but certainly doesn't tell the whole story. See, those are facts that don't need any embellishment and speculation. They speak for themselves.

[Lord Vader]

The only speculation I see is this part "If Sony doesn't close the gap with its rivals, it could risk making the PS3 an afterthought to game publishers, who focus most of their resources on the machines with the most users." = but it makes logical sense.

My entire post is quoted from the article btw, b/c most N4G users dont read the articles.

Sony cant really afford a price cut, they need software ASAP, & the recession isnt going to end anytime soon so expect BluRay & HDTV sales to continue to tank, which hurts the PS3.

I think it really sucks, but this is reality, not N4G fantasyland. Anyone who thinks Wall Street Journal posts anything less than fact or has a "console bais" is a 10 year old.

[likedamaster]

OUCH!!!

[Anon1974]

It's speculation mixed with a little fact. Like I pointed out, developers have already come forward and said they make the most revenue off the PS3. Don't ask me how that's possible, I don't know the specifics but that would seem to override the idea that Sony's going to start losing developers if they don't sell more. They're selling more than the 360 ever did and I don't remember articles claiming the 360 had to step it up.

As for the rest of it Sony most certainly can afford a price cut even with their current restructuring (but why would they? they're selling better than the 360 ever did at a higher price point), the recession is going to end soon (2nd quarter 2009 according to most economists), HDTV and Blu-Ray sales remained strong this holiday season and again, Daisuke Wakabayashi isn't the Wall Street Journal, he's a freelance journalist that just happens to write 99% of his articles about Microsoft.

[Re-versed]

It would have a point if u talking about Worldwide sales! U cant say the same there!Ps3 is ahead for 2008 in sales...All of u American As!h@les cant see what is happening in the rest of the World!The main problem for American people is ignorance!The points that the article from wsj would be facts if they were talking about the whole world...If talking only for America making me 10 years old...Then you r just a typical moron!

[xwabbit]

Ah more dumb articles

[iNFAMOUZ1]

all mods here on this site are sony supporters 100% and delete any ms comments made is just sad...

Whatever happened to the unbiased mods like gamespot and ign has?

even I was one of gamespots mods for a while, at least 4 months until I deleted my profile.

This website has gone to shreds with this fanboyism

[Highatus]

All i see is Blah blah blah.

Most of you spew crap out like you know something or have some sort of exclusive knowledge about X company.

Do you work for X company?

How much do you get paid to work for X company?

Do you get holidays and benefits at X company?

No, you don't. Because you don't work for neither.

So in what way does it help you to defend X company? ...

It doesn't, all it does is prove you have an internet connection and the ability to type. E-Peen anyone?

Here's some more reality for you all.

Competition is healthy in any kind of business your in, If there weren't any competition there wouldn't be any innovation nor would the desire be there to do so.

But, that's right...All that matters is sales figures and who's making money.

Actually all that matters to corporate investors is where their stock is at and whether its going up or down QFT

Pick up a game and play it. If you can't afford X system, save up for it if the games appeal to you.

"Worry about your own life, then you will know what it is like to live. Rather than merely exist"

On that note... back to playin games.

[cliffbo]

so many journalist and fanboys are going to be left with egg on their faces. i bought my PS3 for ten years and i'm looking forward to the next eight. Sony are doing just fine thanks

[ReBurn]

Did you really fall for that 10 year lifecycle stuff? The last 3-4 years of that 10 year cycle are going to be just like the last 3-4 years of the PS1 and PS2 lifecycle where it lives as a budget contender.

If Sony's going to stay in the game they're going to be releasing new hardware 6-7 years after the PS3 launch because the competition is going to be releasing hardware that makes it show it's age.

[likedamaster]

Ouch!!! again.

[ReBurn]

The stuff in this thread is as funny as the stuff in the GAF thread.

[bviperz]

It's become a pet peeve of mine. These comments have more drama in them than an afternoon soap opera!

[bviperz]

To deter and detract from the obvious.

[tonywood]

You all are responding to an article published by the Wall Street Journal?

YEA....because if anyone knows the game industry, it's WALL STREET!~ Who cares about other people's opinions, the Ps3 is THE BEST SYSTEM..PERIOD! It's pricey, but that will change. Any hater can buy a 360 and put the add-on's with it...the price is damn near more. The Wii fad is about over, there is only 3 quality Wii games on it...and it is only getting play time over the holiday season. Before anyone starts hatin on me, be sure to support your argument with facts.

[creeping judas]

I'm bored at work, the fun filter for some reason allows N4G thru (all other "game" related sites it wont??).

The comments from the fanboys sometimes are as funny as heck, and some are incredibly well thought out.

Now some one make a blog post about the end of the 360 in 2009, as I want to read the other side of the war defend their console!!!

[crackninja]

blah blah blah. all of yee fools grow up and get a life. ps3 has its good and bad points and so does the 360. It is time for this retarded argument to STOP!!!

[bviperz]

I'm with Judas, without these articles and comments, work would be BORING! So keep em coming, it's a lot more fun when people don't agree.

[lamigol]

I cant believe people go off and find sales figures to present as fact on these sites. Very sad. Im not even sure the marketing team at sony/ms/nintendo go to as much trouble as these geeks. Why ??? To "DEFEND" their console !! LOL.....hilarious. I had a 360, great machine, great games, great online. Got RROD, traded in for PS3, great machine, more reliable, quieter, great games, great online, great future, Blu Ray - fantastic !! I am not interested in the sales figures, pricing point ( I already paid for mine )future strategies of sony/ms. I am at home, playing games, that is what I do, play games. I will buy one if not two of the next next gen consoles and so on and so on. People treat it as life and death, get a f*****g life

[supadryz]

Well i have both Xbox360 & PS3. Xbox is for gaming & the PS3 is for Media-play only ie. Blu-Ray, streaming etc.
So for me this is where the problem is for sony a large slice of the pie don't or have bought the PS3 for gaming. this is why the PS3 is failing, this & the fact it just does not have the Games library.

[lamigol]

So supadryz, you dont own a game on PS3 ? Whatever mate.... how many games do you own on 360 and ps3, what are they?
Sorry, did you say PS3 doesnt have a games library? I cannot believe the ignorance of some people, you expect people on this site to take you seriously and then post comments of such stupidity

[Mitch_Cumstein]

The 360's is just much better. Affordable Price + Best Gaming Library is hard to beat. Just like the PS2 and Xbox 1. Xbox had a gaming library, and a lot of games looked better on the Xbox, but the PS2 easily had the biggest and best library. See where that got em?

[dan_dufferin98]

Is supadryz supposed to have games for his PS3? you seem mad that he doesnt have any. I've had my 60GB PS3 for a year. I only have 1 game for my PS3, and it isn't even opened! It's Hot Shots Golf. I've only taken out my PS3 to play LBP(which I rented), and then put it back in its box, collecting dust. Again. And I bought it cause I felt I had to buy something. Are you mad at me for not buying games on PS3? Now for my 360? I have NHL 07-09, Madden08, COD4, GeoW, Need For Speed:Carbon, NBA 2k9, Fifa 08. Am I wrong for not buying a PS3 game? Btw, I have 2 Bluray movies which i bought, and haven't bothered even watching. Rush Hour3 and Spiderman3. Again, I felt obliged to buy those for my PS3. for me, the PS3 is a paper weight. Even my fiance wants me to sell it if its just sitting there. I'm still hoping that something revolutionary is going to happen with the PS3, but don't think it's going to happen. I'm sorry, there's no games that justify me buying them on PS3. And yes, I supported Sony and their ventures through PS1 and PS2. the SDF can say all they want on "This is the year for sony..." "Sony will OWN this and that..." Whatever. Just Fanboy garbage. Their 1st party exclusive games are not for me.

[Shnazzyone]

well i'll be happy with all my future quality wii titles. Guess ps3 owners can look forward to replaying all their great titles that were also released on 360. HAHAHAHAHA!

Sony's the new sega/atari/philips!

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news,
but there is no way in HELL we will ever recapture the luck we had with PS1 and PS2.
A couple reasons why;

1.Competition;
the competition today is nothing like it was for our beloved Sony back in those days.
Sega?They already blew it with the Sega cd add on and that 32x crap add on sh1t.Then they dumped that for the lousy Saturn.
Consumer trust was lost.
Then they released the Dreamcast without DVD playback........stupid!
Nintendo stuck with cartridges.....nuff said.
The software industry was ready for the cd/dvd change.
It's understandable why Sony was successful.

2.Format:
VHS to DVD was a huge turning point in media history;FACT
The difference was night and day.
Ps2 most definitely benefitted from this,along with all the exclusive software.
By the time the first MS XBOX came along with it's incredible console,
it was too little too late...................kinda like the 360 and PS3 lol.
DVD to Blu Ray will never have the impact like VHS to DVD did,regardless of what certain quacks in here would have you think.

3.PRICE PRICE PRICE
Sony has put themselves in a awkward position by implementing the Blu Ray in a gaming console so prematurely.
It's hard for developers to grasp,it's way expensive to manufacture,in short...... they should have held off until the PS4 to
include it.

The outcome,
We have the mighty Microsoft 360(affordable/incredible software line up)and Nintendos Wii(casual gamers heaven)gimmicky wonder kicking the crap out of us.

[Oner]

:rollseyes:

Yeah there is no big difference between DVD & BD huh?

I mean the pics I posted below show ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE from 480p native -> 1080p native

480p native
http://i166.photobucket.com...

1080p native
http://i166.photobucket.com...

All you have done is show that you post misinformation and lies and are obviously biased...

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

I didn't say there wasn't a difference boner(as I roll my eyes),I said DVD to Blu wouldn't have the impact that VHS to DVD did.

You frustrated little N4G multi bubbled Sony rejects are funny at spinning news,and peoples comments.

Pathetic.

[lokiroo420]

Mr pres,
are you supposed to be witty and or funny? After watching bluray dvd looks like vhs, to say other wise is to be blatantly ignorant and obnoxious. Do you really think that the visuals are the only advantage of bluray? how about improved sound and extras. How about having a dvd quality digital copy that is capable of being transferred to any mobile device. How about all the java applications such as extra games. Creativity is the only limit on bluray. Your the dumbest fvcking f@g on this site, for real your neither funny or inteligent in anyway, just give it a rest, the anti sony/ps3 sh1t is about as tired a syour mommies flapping dusty pvssy lips, let go of her tits and grow up.

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

Getting all bent out of shape over a plastic video game console.

Your one pathetic little person,taking this crap so seriously.
It's the open zone,
so lighten up dork.
Fact is,Blu Ray has a loooong way to go before taking dvds place,
so suck it up my little Sony jiz guzzler.
I'll (like everyone I know)settle for upscaled dvds,which work incredibly well,so with that,
who needs HD DVD and Blu RAy?
I'll tell you who don't.........the common consumer don't,that's who.
Especially in our economic crisis.
Do you understand now kiddo?
Thank God for that.

A couple of questions for this ding bat:
do you own stocks in Sony?.....doubtful.
Are you married to a Sony employee?......hmmmm
If your answer is no,
grow up,and step off.
If your answer is yes,
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha hahahahahahah good luck with that.
He or she is probably getting laid off as we speak.

[lokiroo420]

Im not sure you understand since you end your little homo rant with IMO, do you understand that your opinion is less than the sh1t stains in your diapers. If i did own sony stock I would have just made some money your fvcking dipdsh1t. Yeah Im all bent out of shape, ha funny, yet your the one with that lame ass n4g account trolling and spamming every ps3 story trying to stir the sh1t, drop the tit and call MS for your coffin.

[Sonyfanclubpresident]

where did I write that ya stooge?

Please read my final draft tough little internet guy.
I accidentally hit the add comment button prematurely,so relax.
And would ya please stop,you're frightening me lmao
I barely had a chance to finish my words of wisdom to you and you jumped all over me.

Hanging on my every word huh?

So tell me,how do my nuts taste f@g?

Seriously Lickaroo..........this is no way to treat your president LOLOLOLOL

It's not my fault you blew your money on a PS3.

[Oner]

Thank You Lokiroo, but it gets to a point that it's not even worth explaining stuff to "certain types" as they don't want to see things in any other way but "doom & gloom". I mean how do people honestly beleive and derive that in the 2 years the PS3 has been out it has outsold what the 360 did in it's first 2 years...all while being more expensive?!?! Honestly, how do people try and downplay that? Let alone admit to it?

[Sabre2922]

Wow yet another "the PS3 is doomed" article.

While I do respect the Wall Street Journal this is just below their standards.

[Mitch_Cumstein]

in relation to Microsoft and the Xbox. Sony released the highly successive PSOne then the mammoth that was the PS2 that tinkered on world domination in all facets of normal thinking.

Considering the brand recognition that Sony gets from all over this world Sony would really have to screw up to lose all that they worked for in the previous two generations. Screw up is putting it kindly when it comes to what the PS3 has become.

The PS3 has single handidly reversed the playing field in the console industry. Before the release of the PS3 most everybody knew Sony would come out on top again, because that is what common sense tells us. Unfortunately, common sense didn't apply when Sony designed their Blu-Ray player with games support.

Coming off the success of the PS2 you would have been crazy to suggest Sony wouldn't come out on top again. Sure they might lose some marketshare the PS2 generated, but NO ONE even imagined Sony would land in the second place spot with the PS3. And for Sony to get third? THIRD?? YOu would be placed in a mental institution for thinking that. I mean, all things considering the PS3 would have to be one horrible screw up to come in third. No way it will be that bad.

[omodis420]

You forget that with the PS2 and its straight out of the box DVD player, were the biggest single force in making DVD what it is today. So "common sense" would tell them, hey I have a new movie format that blows everything away. Why don't we include it in the PS3."

The only mistake that the Sony made with the PS3 was the price. What they should have done was say F it and come out with the PS3 at a 299-399 price point. Yes they would loose money, sales however would have been more. Allowing greater mass market penetration of Blue Ray. This would have given a huge jump start to blue ray and PS3 as a game console. It's not to late though. Who on this site would not buy a PS3 for $250-300? Honestly!

[likedamaster]

This was the funny part...

""Sony's best-selling game during the month was an action shooter game, Call of Duty: World at War from Activision Blizzard Inc. But twice as many people bought the Xbox 360 version.""

[MRMagoo123]

I take it there must of been too many ps3 pro articles lately if anyone could use there brains for a minute they would know that the ps3 isn't going anywhere soon but up ,i know thats not what you crazy 360 fanboys wanna here but its true and i can bet when its all said and done and the ps3 in in front again you will all forget about these stupid comments you have made about the ps3 and say things like "everyone knew the ps3 was gonna beat the 360 because of its fanbase and everyone doesn't wanna give microsoft a chance waaah wahhh waaaaaaah" .IMHO sony are gonna do well and so are the other companies and thats that.
The ppl talking about the ps3 being used as a media center only in there house get a life i suspect you either don't have a ps3 at all or are lying out of your teeth and do play games on them the "Playstation has no games i wanna play " thing is getting really old now and hasn't been true since about 4 months after the console came out all you have to do is look at the GOTY awards and that shows you that there are good ps3 games to play.All in all just get a life and play your games because it'll all come back to haunt you when its the other way around ,same as when 360 fanboys where laughing at the ps3 games that where ported over looked a li'l worse than the 360 counterparts and now the ps3 versions are looking better than the 360 ones even the 360 lead ones.One more thing how about the ppl that think this site is sony biased go look at the articles from a while ago and see what the ps3 owners had to put up with and you'll realise it goes both ways.if you don't like it when pro ps3 news comes up and you think this site is ps3 biased gtfo don't come back you don't have to keep coming back go to thefarts site he's a 360 fan thru and thru you can blow him all day long.

[Ldubbz]

Now the Wall Street Journal? People know that is pretty much the paper investors/shareholders look at, right?

But b4 people jump all over the place in either direction, read the headline..."Hope Fades for PS3 as a Comeback Player"

Obviously, PS3 is playing catch up. They never said its over for the PS3, just saying judging by the numbers for the biggest sales period of the year, PS3 did worse than last year.

I think the PS3 only did as well as it did earlier in the year because of industry-wide BR adoption. But as the artcle points out, the BR is now a burden on the cost of a PS3, since u can now get a BR player for cheaper than before, and who is gonna pay for the extra features of the PS3 (READ: Its also a game machine), when all u want is BR playback, which is why some bought a PS3 at all.

And like Patcher said, they arent in a position to cut price, which they will need to in the next few months if they wanna even stay competitive. Will be interesting to see how Sony responds....

[omodis420]

Blah Blah Blah Blah.
I can't wait till the next Xbox comes out. That way I can get the 360 dirt cheep.
Shouldn't be long before all the Xbots will have to plunk down money on a new system.
Tools

[omodis420]

"end of September, the Wii had a wide lead with nearly 35 million units sold since its launch in 2006 compared with about 22 million Xbox 360 consoles and 17 million PS3 machines."

Hmmm so let's get this straight 22m vs 17 is a difference of 5 mil. About 6 mil now? And this is supposed to be so bad that it could be the end of Sony?
No way. Playstation as a brand is the best thing Sony has going for it. The article ignores strong sales of PS2 hardware and software. Ignores PSP. (everyone acts like psp was a flop. Did anyone actually think they could beat Nintendo in the hand held market?) The fact is the PSP firmly has its legs planted in the ground of the hand held war. PSP is not going anywhere. PS3 is generating the highest software revenues for a few different third party publishers. No one is going to abandon Sony. A 17 mil install base is not what they had planed for, but not bad either. Do you think developers are really going to ignore a 17mil and still growing install base. I know the Wallstreet Journal isn't a great source for gaming information or opinions, but they should know business. Just like the real wallstreet they were asleep at the wheel on this one.

[Ldubbz]

So its not just WSJ...this one is from Businessweek

http://www.businessweek.com...

[omodis420]

Sony Doomsayer a bit much?

[Ldubbz]

I dont need to go around dooming anything...Im merely shedding light on what is Sony's current position in the marketplace.

people can put their hands to their ears and scream all they like, they can spin til they're dizzy, but the numbers and trends speak for themselves. I dont wish doom on Sony; MS aint paying me and neither is Sony. This is all their OWN doing, and the sooner many of you get that point, the better off you'll be.

IMO, 2009 went from being a hopeful year for Sony to a make-or-break year for them, and I for one think it will be interesting to see how they respond, and how MS and Nintendo counter that.

[omodis420]

Come on you know you are rooting for MS deep down inside.

[ZILLA]

K I L L Z O N E 2!!!

[Enigma_2099]

... enough with these articles... you are NOT gonna force the PS3 into an early retirement by calling it names and picking on it!!!!

[air1]

OK, so you get more but it costs more, thats the point..

you get to go online with a ps3.. i already do that with my pc...

you get blu ray.. ok, i got a sh!t load of movies that i can rent in hd off of live, imo but the hd movies look mighty fine to me..

you ppl and your add this and that and it adds up to this..

you fail to realize but you will as you get older and start to pay bills, that it is alot easier to let go of 50 bucks a year or to upgrade as you can then it is to just walk in gamestop and drop over 500 bucks and for what cause the ps3 can go online? lol

at the end of the day you can get a 360 for 199 and a game of your choice go home hook it up to your hd tv and play the hd game in hd out the box..

[Neo604]

the war is not over but the limit to the lastgen xbox360/wii is over.

[KrimsonKody]

That does'nt ( and should'nt) take from all that the PS3 is.
Yes, it may be in 3rd place, but does that de-value the machine or technology itself?
Does that mean because every one is buying HDTV's that video projectors prices should drop to be just as affordable?
NO.
SO,
Why are most sources (keep) suggesting that SONY drop the price?
"It's the blu-ray..."
"...because of the blu-ray,"
If there was NO blu-ray components attached to the PS3 ( and the games were STILL made on DVDs), the console pricing would still probably be around the same, because:
SONY would have kept the removed features ( backwards-compat., extra inputs, etc.)
And maybe the PS3 would have been designed with a larger harddrive at launch (since they would still be utilizing DVDs)

Also, the "recession" is not targeting the PS3 sales,
It's affecting merchandises, electronics and devices alike.
Blu-ray players (themselves) have reduced drastically, so oh course it will affect how the PS3 sells.
And because Devs are 'having a hard time' programming for the PS3, it's (kinda) delaying the PS3's full potential.

Hopefully, by May '09 ( with the incoming IPs and exclusive line-ups), the PS3 will be on the ball!

As for now, SONY needs to get 'on the ball', and stop pu$$y-footing.

[Yomiro]

Many people bought HD-DVD players and supported the format, it was money wasted so one can understand the hate for the ps3.

[KrimsonKody]

Blu-Ray was born.
the best thing since DVDs,
and DVDs were the best thing since video cassettes.

[omodis420]

GOD OF WAR 3
KILLZONE 2

there are more but those are the two big guns.

If there is a price drop. PS3 will take off. If not, it will be more of the same. For me that would be just fine.

[cheapndirty]

I was going to buy a second ps3 as a dedicated blu ray player. Now I am going to buy a 99.00 close out stand alone player. SUre the ps3 is a better blu ray player than most stand alone players, but hey I would rather use the savings to buy games and movies.

They will lose some sales as stand alone players continue to go down in price. The 2009 lineup of ps3 games needs to be as awesome as they are promising them to be.

Or else...

[Kinetix]

These kind of articles are always being put up because everyone flocks to them and comments on them just like graphical comparison articles. If this site is going to change it's direction towards legitimate gaming news then we should stop leaving comments for stuff like this. Thank You.

[HALE2K]

And now look the guy is 100 freakin years old and up for the best actor of 2008 award so get the F$%k out! PS3 is only warming up 7 3/4 years left to go.

[Sanzee]

Sony

[T-Baggins]

Wow, the media these days makes me want to kill someone, ether get your information correct or SHUT THE FU*K UP! PS3 is doing great and will (let me repeat that) will beat out the 360 and if not beat the wii get very close.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Comeback from what? All 3 consoles are doing just fine with the Wii killing. All 3 consoles are offering something different and there is room in the market for all 3. So stupid that whenever sales on one of the systems looks weak for a small time period it's immediately doom and gloom. Same crap happens with the 360 and I'm sure we will hear it again with "Sony strikes back, MS 360 doomed". blah blah blah.

[XDF]

Sony shot themselves on the foot by pricing the PS3 at $399.99. With the current recession, it doesn't matter if SONY releases all their Triple AAA games all at once next month, people just can't aford it with the current economic situation.

Thge Blu Ray Strategy is a Double edge sword. It did help SOny won the HD movie format battle but at the same time, it is costing them the gaming war because of the price.

Hey, the PC Engine and Sega Saturn was pretty successful in Japan even though they were dead everywhere else.

Better luck next time SONY with the PS4.

[bsquwhere]

Ive own every console from the Commador 64 on..and this is a crock. Where were all you Xbox fanboys last gen...hmmm,or the year before that? Oh I know you were playing Dreamcast, or the Saturn. When Sony put Sega out of the console race, most of you asshole jumped on the Microsoft wagon. So at least the Sony fanboys are real fans. The PS3 is a great system, and so is the 360. So just because your team lost, so you took up the flag for the 360, don't give the Sony faithful a hard time. If Microsoft had this many fans last gen, they would of won. If anything you ex-Sega fanboys should remember what it felt like. Three reason the 360 is winning 1.) 360 came out 1st, we all wanted a taste of next gen, so we bought one. 2.) Its cheaper, and were, well, cheap. 3.) Its easier to make games for, here is just laziness by game makers, I mean every time there is new tech they complain, mostly because were human, we complain. Those reason aren't bad reasons, but none of them mean that the PS3 is a bad system. Why don't you play it, then complain. Btw Vector-Man was the sh!t, this coming from an old Sega fanboy. So deal ppl.

[KrimsonKody]

No, Vurtua Fighter 3D was the sh!t. (oowww...the graphics...so real)
or better yet,
BALLZ!
yeah!

[metalhead]

You know we never saw articles like this when the failure that was the Gamecube came out.

[mxdan]

Ok heres the final word

-------

Everyone just shut the fuk up and stop trying to "Justify" your purchase.

When it comes down to it there both great systems. Difference is that most of the world is POOR right now so of course there going to buy the 360.

THERE you HAVE it.

[gersh]

If people are really that poor they shouldn't be buying any console.

[mxdan]

Their poor enough that they won't pay an extra 100 or so dollars.

Your argument holds no merit though.

People buy themselves entertainment no matter how poor they are. It gets them through life. Just look at ancient greece.

[jaie81]

Dec. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world’s second- largest consumer electronics maker, rose to the highest in more than two weeks in Tokyo trading after a research report said Sony reduced the cost of making its PlayStation3 video-game console by 35 percent.

Sony gained 1.2 percent to close at 1,922 yen on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, the highest level since Dec. 15. The benchmark Nikkei 225 Stock Average advanced 1.3 percent. Shares traded for half a day today on markets in Japan.

The newest PlayStation 3 console costs $448.73 to produce, down from $690.23, El Segundo, California-based researcher iSuppli Corp. said. The machine has 30 percent fewer parts than earlier versions, iSuppli said.

Falling costs bring Tokyo-based Sony closer to breaking even on producing a PlayStation 3 that sells for $399 in stores, said Andrew Rassweiler, principal analyst of iSuppli’s teardown division that examined the console.

To contact the reporter on this story: Hiroshi Suzuki in Tokyo at [email protected].

Last Updated: December 29, 2008 21:20 EST

[power of Green]

Price, the knowlege of the PS3 being inferior to the 360 and massive dev support for the 360 is killing the PS3.

Death to Sony for over hyping PS3 and telling lies about it's capabilities.

[mxdan]

Death to sony?

You sound like a terrorist.

[Re-versed]

That these articles for ps3 is targeting and mentions only America!As far as im concern, America isnt the world!!Stop making conclusions based on these articles...Is totally unfair for ps3...The sales part has many good points for ps3 over the 360 Worldwide but this journalist didnt mentioned one!

''Sony also is suffering from a lack of attractive titles that are exclusive to the PS3. Microsoft has hit the jackpot with two action-adventure game franchises, Halo and Gears of War, which are available only on the Xbox 360.''

Look at this paragraph!! Do u realy think this guy is creditable now??
Even dead-end 360 fanboys know that ps3 has (in 2008)and will have (in 2009) better exclusives!! Someone must make him remember that the exclusive with better sales in 2008 is MGS4 for Ps3!

Come on now guys... PS3 is behind in America by a smaller gap than last year from 360!So can i guess 360 is doomed too?A 500k behind means doom?? Watch whats going on outside America! In WW sales PS3 is still ahead of 360 for 2008! What about that?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

The PS3 lost 3yrs ago

[Re-versed]

Sony is the company who run the previous gens!!So i guess, they know their own good as they are veterans in consoles market!

All this anti-ps3 staff comes from America,for America...
The things isnt that way for ps3!There are alot of things,(many good ps3 selling points generally) that this crappy journalism didnt mention at all!

Dont forget Sony has spoken clearly about a 'ten years plan'(lets talk about 8 for the distrustful) for ps3.As far as i know,this excact same plan/strategy is responsible keeping the ps2 alive even now,not some kind of miracle!The ps2 also had a 'complex Hardware' as Ps3 has now...The result was that ps2 boosted to the max, in those past-recent years (Black,God of war ect...)

You are here today,talking about the ps3's doomed future,judge from its second full year in market(in Europe not yet), make fault conclusions that it will be DEAD,a console that has at least 6 years left...Right?? Will the 360 exist in 2013 for example? 360 cant catch this future proof hardware in the long run...Thats my point!but i cant see an article that talks about that...

From 2006 to 2008 ps3 shows significant difference and improvements in everything and we all know that in 2009, ps3 experience will be extended even more!It has sold WW more than last year,but these crappy journalism articles talk only about November and of course only about America!This is really a joke...

Even more? It has sold by now,significantly better than 360 in its second year...But still noone said nothing about it!