Kojima: "PS3 is a monster machine"

In a recent interview with the BBC's Click program, Hideo Kojima, creator of the acclaimed Metal Gear franchise, has revealed that the first few years of development on MGS4 were "trial and error".

"We started to work on Metal Gear Solid 4 four years ago, after finishing Metal Gear Solid 3," said Kojima-san. "At that time we really didn't know what the PS3 was going to be like, so the first two years was all about experimenting, developing and trial and error."

"In the last two years, we've known what the PS3 is capable of, the specifications of it and how we can utilise it," he continued. "PS3 is a monster machine. That's why it took so much time to create Metal Gear Solid 4."

[QueefyB]

of course the playstation 3 is a monster machine the raw processing power is beastly

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Thats why the PS3 version of GTA4 was dumbed down massively compared to the 360's version.......

[Gue1]

correction, GTAIV was dumbed down thanks to the power of the dvd9 that has your box...

EDIT: OMG this is my third comment in this site and I already got 4 bubbles? wow

[juuken]

GTAIV was an overhyped piece of garbage. I sold that game not too recently along with Assassin's Creed. And the 360 was the one that was dumbed down. Rockstar complained about the space on the 360 because of it's limitations. If they had made GTAIV exclusive, I would still have the game and it probably would have played better.

[FAQS]

"Thats why the PS3 version of GTA4 was dumbed down "massively" (?) compared to the 360's version......."
"The 360 is evolving so much faster (??????) than the PS3 that it shames me even thinking about it."
A: Stop doing stupid replys whith no sense at all!...You just embarace yourself, you just look like a clown whith stupid jokes!

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Jedi you seriously belive that?

even Rockstar Games themselves complained about the lack of space for 360.

[Solid_Snake666]

is confused ...very

[Asurastrike]

@Wiimaniac

You start with 5.

[Gue1]

Yeah I know but for a moment i got 4, now i got 5 again :-)

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

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|............____|...____| is a monster machine;-P YEP!!!;)

PLAYSTATION®3規格ソフトウェアのゲー ム 中にXMB™

+It only uses 1% of PS3's POWER!!! ;-D

[Yoichi_Wada]

Ken-san, i am truly honoured, Square Enix are hoping to develop a PS3 exclusive that will use more power of the PS3, as i know that at the moment PS3 has only shown 1% of its true potential, but hopfully the game under development will use 10% and show the world what the PS3 is truly made of.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

10%??? DON'T DO IT YET!!! ;-D
That will be the DEATH of the xBox 360 in a second!!! ;-D
(Hmm...yeah do it!) ;)

[Mr PS3]

And its taking a Jurrasic Crap all over the Xbox

[SSCOOLCHEA]

I hate to agree with you but i purchase gta4 2 weeks before mgs4 came out . I played it for maybe an hour an saw it was still the same old gta games with better graphics .

[silverchode]

didnt a couple of sites say the ps3 version looked better?

[Homicide]

Only on the PS3 can Kojima take MGS4 to the next level. MGS4 redefined next gen gaming.

PS3 - built in HDMI, VOD, PSN store, the cell, HDD standard, blu-ray, etc. UNBEATABLE.

[Pain]

this is site is Brain Dead crack baby errr Xbox country!!!

and PS3 is aslo known as a Woman...It take awile to get her humming...Not Rub it once and u spent like a teenager aka Xbox...

[pixelsword]

...Why did it look better than the 360 version? Don't say it didn't, because there's tons of reviews that say otherwise.

[QueefyB]

as we all know the xbox 360 is a baby seal it is cute but it is not ready for life

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

The 360 is evolving so much faster than the PS3 that it shames me even thinking about it.

[Solid_Snake666]

ummm no not really evolving stops now...lol theres not much more life you can squeeze out of the box

[boodybandit]

I own both consoles and I am not a fanboy or have a favorite but when I read this nonsense I just had to reply.

Could you please list the games for me on the 360 that look and run better than Gears of War (a 1st generation title) on the 360. I could name a couple that could be considered on par but I would not say they are better then Gears. If anything I am slightly disappointed that Gears is still the bar for the 360.

This has always been one of the Playstation strengths. To progress year after year. Just look at 1st generation PS(one) titles to Tekken 3 or 1st gen PS2 titles to God of War 2. I honestly don't recall this with the XBox and so far I am not seeing it from the 360.

[QueefyB]

speaking of life i heard an xbox 360 player wanted to commit suicide because he learned he will be getting the inferior version of ff13

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

A massive majority of multiplats are superior on the 360

[FAQS]

"A massive majority of multiplats are superior on the 360 (?????)"
A: Just like Oblivion, COD4, Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry4, UT3 - all superior on the PS3...and in the future Bioshock and FF XIII!...
"Shes running out of things to say now"
A: Excatly just like you, but contary to him that say something, you didn't say anything yet!
AAAA' game - well after 2 years your best games are Oblivion and COD4 - both also on the 360........
A: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, stop that, dumbass, 3 years and you only have Gears, on PC too!

[Microsoft_Warrior]

"Oblivion, COD4, Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry4, UT3 - all superior on the PS3...and in the future Bioshock and FF XIII!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUPER LOL
ur so funny LOL oh god i can't stop laughing HAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHHAHAHAHAHA

[Solid_Snake666]

i bet you couldnt stop laughing when u got RROD......hahhahaaAHAHAHAHahah ahahaahHAHAhaAHAHAHAHAHAHahahah ahahhaAHAHAHAHahahahah

[QueefyB]

have you seen the movie all dogs go to heaven i think all xbots go to hell

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Shes running out of things to say now ^^^^^^^^

[silverchode]

no his not just watch him use all his bubbles.

[QueefyB]

as we all know hideo kojima does not like the xbox 360 so i hope he will unveil his next AAAA playstation 3 exclusive at the tokyo game show

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

'AAAA' game - well after 2 years your best games are Oblivion and COD4 - both also on the 360........

[Asurastrike]

@JEDI WOLVERINE

Uncharted and Metal Gear Solid 4 are both exclusive, and amazing games.

[Solid_Dawg]

im sick of hearing its coming to the 360. it can never happen. i dont even want to get into specs and invite flamebait...even though the 360 cant handle the game...especially act 3...did i say something...? so ill just say that the game has apple and sony logos and some voices are owned by sony. so it will never come out on the 360.

[Shadow Flare]

Kojima never wanted it on Xbox 360. It won't come to xbox 360. I think thats why they spead heaps of Apple and Sony products throughout the game, because those companies have a contract with Konami to use those products in their game. And i somehow don't think MS will like Apple products and ps3's lounging about the levels. Let alone the 360 cannot even handle this game and Jack Tretton once again said MGS4 IS exclusive for the ps3 this E3 after the FF13 announcement. Anyway.........

When i look at games early in the ps3's life cycle like Gran Turismo 5: Prologue (another game 360 cannot do) then i just wonder what games will look like in years to come. Killzone 2 surpassed its trailer. Apparently God of War 3 looks practically as good as its trailer. The BBC reporter had to pick his jaw up off the ground after watching that 'mystery game'. Exciting times await. It's a good time to be a ps3 owner

[Tarasque]

In all honesty here, i think MGS4 is just average. There is alot of average game's on the 360 it doens't need another one. Kojima need's to stop with the flip flopping also, is he Bi-Polar?

[Bonsai1214]

its pretty much one of the only next gen games that LOOK ridiculous and run at an above standard HD resolution. i do not doubt the talent of Kojima and his team. I just gotta beg them for ZOE3 now..

[The Mikester]

Of course it's not coming out on the 360 b/c Metal Gear Solid 4 is a PS3 game and will always be a PS3 game. The 360 can't have the game so thats that.

[KLEPTOMANIAC]

"Since we're developing only for the Sony format, of course Sony has given us a lot of advantage before the actual release of the hardware"

only for sony huh? sorry xbox fans maybe next time

[GRRiMREEAPeR]

Its SCARY how few games are available on it!

[DeadIIIRed]

So because Dead Rising is coming to the Wii, does that mean that both the 360 and Wii are equal? Just because you're getting FFXIII (not versus) doesn't mean the machines are equal.

[FPS nut]

I'm sure the other side are tired of hearing Halo 4, Mass Effect 2, Bungie's next projects, Left 4 Dead and Gears of War going to the PS3. Get over it or don't click on the link if your "tired if hearing it"... oh and the reason you won't "go into specs" because you don't know any or you will just copy and paste some others forum post.

Console fanboys are so annoying when they get emotional.

[thePatriot]

it killed my father and raped my mother :)
(sorry, I like dark humor)

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

What stood out to me, is I didn't realize that Kojima had spent 4 years on the game. Two of those years expirementing and preparing for the machine. That is crazy!

To all you fanboys, it took 4 years to create as someone would say "HD" game. I would rather have a slightly sub HD game and get one every two years!

Also, what is up with the mess of frequent installation between levels? MGS4 is a great game, but an odd for sure.

With the success the MGS4 has, the cost of development probably negated it and made the profit margin average. A game like MGS4 should have raked in a lot of cash for Konami.

[Playstation Man]

Pretty much every negative comment in this thread from a hardcore 360 fan is based on jealousy. Again, 360 fans pride themselves on stealing exclusives simply for bragging rights. Essentially, any "it's still coming to 360" comment isn't based on a desire to play the game, it's based on a desire to point fingers and laugh.

Luckily, thanks to Kojima, this won't be the case with MGS4.

[GarandShooter]

Do you believe this crap? The article is about Kojima's respect for the hardware, and of course, the author has to end it with following paragraph:

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is currently a PlayStation 3 exclusive, but the recent announcement that Final Fantasy XIII is coming to the Xbox 360 has ignited rumours that it won't be long until MGS4 is also available for the PS3's rival platform."

Doesn't have a damn thing to do with the body of the article, just some flamebait this jackoff decided to write to generate hits.

And what are most people speaking about...?

[TheDeadMetalhead]

It will come to WII before it comes to 360!

I joke, I joke. XD

[rexor0717]

We will know what can and cannot be done on each system. If GeoW2 can't be beat on the 360 in the next 2 years, we will see. If Uncharted 2 comes along and blows it out of the water, we will know.

[mattnz]

@ Tarasque - this game is above average, come on!
@ucan'tblameme - Graphics will always be comparable within a generation, 360 had it at first, lately it's been PS3, it's up for grabs now, from the upcoming games it looks like on screen action will be a bigger differentiator.
@idleleesiulung - So spending time making a game is bad?
@grrimreeaper - you suck (I can't think of anything else to say to that)

Come on people we can talk about a game/console without falling into these old traps.

[SoulessSnake]

the 360 cant handle it, thats that.

[KobeT24]

In other words, the PS3 is BEAST!

[The Mikester]

In other words THE PS3 IS BEAST AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEAST.

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

The PS3 is rather powerful what with its chip set up and all.......massive potential for the future.

As regards MGS4 - nice but overhyped and overrated thus not to bothered if it came to the 360 or not.

[Shadow Flare]

Tell that to all the 360 fans who are convinced it will still come to the 360. And all those articles that 'confirmed' MGS4 for the 360. A little begging going on right there. MGS4 is for ps3. If you want the game, buy a ps3.

[tweaker]

If MGS4 is considered overhyped and overrated, what would one call GTAIV?

[spandexxking]

what about halo3? way overhyped but the best 360 game to date imo

[cellypower]

all I can say MGS4 was worth the 60 dollars.

[Bubble Buddy]

I don't see any pop cans with Snake on them...

[ThatArtGuy]

And I don't see any cell phones with Master Chief on them.

[Figboy]

actually played a role in MGS4 (characters realistically used them to communicate).

did Mountain Dew play a role in Halo 3's campaign mode?

was the Master Chief chugging the Dew before going on a mission?

i don't think so.

actually, Mountain Dew probably would have been some good product placement in MGS4, since Drebin and his monkey are addicted to soda.

[_Q_]

Thats the thing, Halo 3 needed to be marketed like that because Halo 2 didn't break any ground so people figured Halo 3 would be a half-assed game too. Then look at Metal Gear's marketing(hardly any). It has LOYAL fans not a bunch of casual playing drones. Besides MGS4 speaks for itself. Halo 3 needed others the sing their song for people to pay attention to it(failed).

[Wolf873]

Just as your over-rated Halo series, which is no different than any shooter that I have played in all honesty.

[Mr Fancy Pants]

MGS4 can't be done on the crapbox!

[EatingToast]

jedi wolverine is a homo

[juuken]

Damn straight it's a monster. It's gonna eat the 360 for breakfast, lunch and dinner when it's full potential comes out.

That's why MGS4 cannot be done on the 360. It took way too much time to create on the PS3.

[caffman]

why do you want one?

[juuken]

Ninja Gaiden 2, mostly. But then again I could be wasting my time because it may come on the PS3 anyway.

[Snukadaman]

someone must be hungry...

@juuken...its called a running joke ...running is something you dont know about though right fatso.

[juuken]

And someone hasn't rammed their c*ck up the 360 far enough.
Please Snuka...the fat jokes are getting lame. I was amused before but I can't laugh anymore.

You'll have to do better than that dear.

[PoSTedUP]

yea you killed it snuka, thats pretty immature.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Grow up.

@Juuken - the PS3 won't eat the 360 for breakfast...

...because the 360 is only worth a snack XD

[Snukadaman]

So you 2 idiots think people with various accounts that clown on someone is more mature??....face it..she can clown back..if she aint bright enough to come back with a comeback thats her problem....im accountable for my sh*t here...maybe I should clown on you posted_up not being bright enough to understand that with your non hd tv playing a hd system like the ps3 you dont get the full experience...come on here talking about games looking good when it probably looks like a cluttered mess.I remember you talking about watching a blu-ray movie talking about it was vibrant and colorful and going..wow..this dude is so fu*king blind he cant tell the difference between resolutions......This other d*ck I have no idea what his various accounts are but give me time...you both could of thought of a come back and tried to clown back but you went the chivalrous route saying someones immature..waaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

[juuken]

Damn Snuka, speak English? That sounds like caveman talk. O_o
Quick, someone decipher what that hairy c*cksucking 360 fanbrat is saying! It sounds like....'ADURRRRR, ADDUUUUUUR, 360 IZ ZE BEEEEEST...O NOEZ...IT BURN HOUSE DOWN!1111'

And Snuka, you get an F for FAILURE.

The fact that your dumbass can't even break up simple paragraphs is beyond me. You expect to be taken seriously when you're speaking like that? ^__^;

[PoSTedUP]

im a grown ass man. keep that sh*t in the play pen homie.

hmmm...open zone: must be a good place to show your true colors then huh..... im only calling it how i see it doggie, and thats immaturity at its finest.

[Snukadaman]

Not quite the response I expected but your trying....I thought my post was quite coherent really juuken...where is this caveman talk you speak of..or is that the best comeback you can think up?? I dont think many cavemen used the word "chivalrous" much...

Honestly though...i think your kinda blindly lashing out there considering i didnt even type xbox once in my comments...you get a D for effort.

"im a grown ass man. keep that sh*t in the play pen homie."
well maybe you should of thought of that before you commented "dog" this is the open zone..no room for bi*ching really..

[macalatus]

@snukadaman,

What's wrong, Snuka? Upset that you've finally met your match? LOL!
It sucks being owned, right? LOL!

[Microsoft_Warrior]

lol queefyb ur so funny

[Yoichi_Wada]

My friend you do not understand what power is held in the PS3, even game developers find the PS3 an amzing machine, the PS3 is the most powerful games console ever made.

[n4gzz]

i would like to get some free warrior. :P

[dkgshiz]

While your at it suk the CEOs diks. Microsoft warrior haha what a joke.

[deathray]

Please don't encourage QB. He's half a retard. I like PS3 too, but he makes PS3 users look like morons.

[StephanieBBB]

MGS4 may come to the xbox720 if it has blueray ofcourse... but by then all the PS3 owners will enjoy mgs5 so whats the point?

@Jedi wolverine
The game is a masterpiece and the best game i've ever played. It was very overhyped but not overrated but everyone is incline to having his own oppinion and thus I can't speak for you.

[bumnut]

not the best game i have played, it was let down by frequently loading the next scene.

the game did not seem to flow like uncharted does.

i loved the style of the motorcycle chase but again it was let down by frequent loading screens.

can someone explain why bluray is so good even though it is clearly not fast enough to run mgs4 from disc?

[Kaneda]

I think it was the best game I had play for a long time. Act3 made me duck when the car flew on top of you. I don't think any other games did that where my body react while playing...

[SoulessSnake]

Steph right on i couldnt have said it better myself

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Oh dear............you didnt realise that the 360 version of GTA4 was put off release just so they could get the PS3 version up to speed with the 360 version.........and it still runs at a lower res.

But,but,but the cell........2 years and waiting........

Also @juuken ^^^^^^^^

GTA4 is crap i agree - but cause of all the chavs buying the game we might be stuck with it going for a 'game of the year' award - *Vomits uncontrollably*

[juuken]

Damn, you are one brainwashed bot.
Have fun in third place buddy because that's where the 360's going when it's all said and done.

[xtreampro]

LOOK ROGHT Rock Star messed up with the PS3. they couldn't handle it, they expect to make a game using the PS3's CELL, in WHAT? 2-years, not gonna happen, its a fututre based console which means you need upgraded development tools to make a good game runnig at full hd on the PS3, and 2yrs ago, YES! 2yrs ago games looked better on the Crap-Box, that because developers were struggeling with the PS3's hardware, at the time it was too advanced and 'NEW', its the first time a console came with a cell processor inside it, your crap-Box wouldn't beable to handle MGS4, MGS4 turned out good because Kojima had more than 4yrs to work with the PS3's hardware, the 360 has babies bigginers hardware, i could probaby make GeOW2 in less then a week, the developers never say thers more work to be done when their using the 360's hardware, but when you here the same developers using the PS3, they say it ha allot of 'un-tapped' potencial, just cus one company (RockStar) messed up, dont mean you go Blabing on about it forever, you dunb bots have nothing to look forward to on the BLOW-UP-BOX-MEGA-SUPREME-SUPER -ULTIMATE-UBER-EXTREME-NUCLEAR- ATOMIC-EXPLOSION-360

[PimpHandHappy]

to not respond to JEDI

he is just playing a role and his role is to make stuff up just to start a flame war!

[Common Sense]

is so much downgraded, how come almost EVERY review claim it's better on the PS3. You didn't even know it was sub - 720p until someone told you. The PS3 version looked better at a lower resolution. Typically, Higher res = better graphics. Do you see the Irony?

[silverchode]

i wonder if this is pog,bladstar or etowone

[THUNDERMARE]

What will the dialog say when the "Swapping to 2nd Disc" appear.... since its obvious that Kojima is poking fun of the older DVD tech....

[Shadow Flare]

That was actually in reference to swapping to disc 2 on MGS1 on ps1, if you look at when/where Otacon says that. I'd imagine if the game were on 360, they would just have to change the dialog to, "Snake, it's time to put in disc 5". It won't happen though lol

[bumnut]

id rather swap discs in 15 seconds than wait a few minutes to install the next chapter.

[Shadow Flare]

bumnut, in my life i have had to buy Final Fantasy VII 3 times because i have lost the 2nd and third discs and the first was majorly scratched. I have had to buy Gran Turismo 1 twice because i lost the disc. I have lost about 5 albums because i have lost the disc and alot of my demo discs are unplayable because they are too scratched.

I would rather take 2 minutes to install each chapter (each chapter took me like 2.5 hours play time the first time i played) then having to get up and change a disc, and risk losing one of the 6 dvd's that MGS4 on the 360 would need, therefore meaning i can't complete the game. I actually hate installs myself, but i only hate the installs which take half an hour. 2 minutes, for each chapter. Plus bluray is scratch proof. I am so glad FFXIII on ps3 will be on 1 disc. PS3 is just, a better built machine, end of.

[bumnut]

i suggest you are more carefull with your optical media in the future

as for ps3 been better built... i agree 100% and am on 360 number 3.

but that is off topic

[spandexxking]

pwned!

[GametimeUK]

I never lost the discs since its not hard to swap them and put back in the case... That goes for FF8 and 9 which I still have to this day...

[three304]

also the meaning (it can't be done on 360)
I think it can be done, if the 360 fans are ok with last gen, not hd.
it won't look as GOOD and play as GOOD

[QueefyB]

furthermore i think we can all agree the xbox 360 is a successful frying pan

[Solid_Snake666]

egg maker

[Lord Shuhei Yoshida]

Microwave...for only 299

[TheOutsider]

^^^Micro(soft)wave you mean! hahaha!

[Charmers]

Hm he thinks a machine is a "beast" because it can render his game at 1024 x 768 with 2 x AA. He better avoid the PC's then because it would blow his mind even a midrange PC can render games better than that. I haven't used such a low resolution in 5 years on my PC.

Once again we get an inaccurate picture from a stooge that gets most of it's money from Sony. Yeah he is gonna be a totally unbiased opinion on the "power" of the playstation isn't he boys and girls.

[Kantraz]

You can't compare a PC with a console, when will people learn?

Kojima is saying, that PS3 is a Monster Console...

[CrazzyMan]

and horizontal resolution is MUCH MORE important, then vertical.

But, you are noob, and probably don`t know that, bad for you.))

To run MGS4 on pc, you would need something like 8 core intel processor and GF9800GTX, since the game was optimized for PS3, and on mid range pc it would just go below 10 fps.

[Charmers]

LOL I love the disagree's already. Which fact do you guys disagree with ? The fact that it uses a low resoluton of 1024 x 768 or the fact that PC gamers ditched such a low resolution years ago ?

As for not comparing a PC with a console, I dunno you have a chat with your PS3 buddies and tell them to stop comparing the PS3 to the PC all the time. I do see an odd pattern though, they only compare the PS3 to the PC when it is "favourable" to the PS3, hm strange that.

Look Kojima is a paid stooge to put this into perspective he is the PS3 version of CliffyB. You probably won't like me saying that but it is the truth. Sony is paying his wages so of course he is going to say "blah blah PS3 blah blah wonderful blah blah and Monster" when in reality it is anything but wonderful and monsterous.

@6.2 - Yeah I must be a noob I have only been at this for 25 years. I think you are the noob if you believe a PC would need 8 cores and a 9800gtx to run MGS4 on the PC. If the game needed those specifications the PS3 wouldn't be able to play it you idiot. The GPU in a PS3 is barely a 7800gtx yet you claim it can outclass a card like the 9800gtx, please get an education will you.

[tweaker]

I'd like to see a computer rated at 3.2 ghz with a total memory of 512mb produce a game as beautiful as MGS4 or any other PS3 exclusive. What about a brand new $400 PC vs a $400 PS3?

Well enough about comparisons, of course a PC built with gaming in mind surpasses graphics seen on consoles but this is not about PC's. PC gaming will and always be above console gaming in terms of graphics. Too bad all the good games with good gameplay are first seen on consoles or exclusive on the platform. If that wasn't the case I'd get serious with PC gaming all over again.

[Charmers]

Yeah and of course the PC can't use blu-ray can it .......... Oh wait yes it can. All we need to do is shove a cheap blu-ray drive in there if we want. We could even install the whole game to the PC if we were bothered, 50gbs wouldn't even make a dent in my 1TB hard disc.

To be honest I don't actually care for MGS I always found the games boring myself. However I cannot stand typical rubbish propoganda like this. It is quite clear that Kojima is about as unbiased as CliffyB. Now PS3 owners are quick to attack CliffyB the minute he says something (I think he is a moron too), yet the minute Kojima opens his gob apparently he is being totally truthful. The guy gets his money from Sony, USE your brains of course he is going to talk glowingly about the console.

[CrazzyMan]

God of war 2 was running on 300Mhz cpu, 150Mhz gpu with only 4Mb vram and 32Mb main ram.

And for worse looking Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, you needed PIII 1200Mhz, 240Mhz gpu with 64Mb vram and 256Mb main ram.

p.s. playing on TV does not require ultra high resolution, 720p is ENOUGH for 32-42", and 1080p for 46-60". While 768p(sine it`s not upscalled) is NOT enough for 19" display. There is a DIFFERENCE between NEEDED resolution for TV(console)and Monitors(PC) gaming. IF you wouldn`t be a noob, you would know that.

p.p.s. You won`t notice (in most cases) difference between 720p and 1080p in games on 32" TV, and even 40" usually.
They should teach that at schools, if some people still don`t know elementary things.

[titntin]

@ Charmers

Whats your point dude? The Ps3 costs less in its entirety than many 'high end' graphics cards and is tailored to deliver graphics at HD television resolutions maximum.

I could buy a cray super computer that makes your PC look pathetic - so what?

Whilst I happily agree Kojima has always favored Sony products, he's actually not on their payroll at all and works for a company that can, and does, choose which platforms to publish on, so you are factually incorrect.

PC's are great, and will always be at the cutting edge of whats technically possible for games if you can afford the entry price. I have three 'workstation class machines' in my home office that are all technically mind blowing. But when I want great games experience I go and switch on my PS3 or 360. The hardware consistency means a developer can craft an experience thats optimized for the machine and everyone gets this optimized performance, by simply inserting a disc and playing. I'm sure many others 'get off' on the software available on PC's and they are welcome to do so. But Many many more prefer the console experience - or hadn't you noticed the complete lack of PC related news at E3 and the abysmal sales of PC software?

[Charmers]

@ 6.7 Yeah and it was running in a low resolution of 640 x 480 and it shows. Whilst you were running games in that low resolution I was already running games at 1024 x 768, you know the native resolution of MGS4. It is the same now, you are harping at how much of a monster your console is yet it only runs games at 1024 x 768 if you are lucky. I am running ALL my games at 1680 x 1050 natively. That will soon change when I get my new monitor that will support 1900 x 1200.

Oh and I am not a fan of ID I find their games generic, dull and totally devoid of any imagination. I think their new game Rage will be a complete dog pile and I won't be bothering with it. I guess I have a little bit more taste than you credit me for.

[titntin]

Actually I play all my games at 1920 x 1080 on a 40 inch screen

Most titles are upscaled of course but the machine does brilliant upscaling. Many of my favourite titles on the platform are some of the superburb PSN games, the majority of which are native 1080P games.

So I actually play all my games on the PS3 in a higher resolution than you do on your 'superior' and many times more expensive PC.

..and get some new equipment dude - a monitor limited that that kind of resolution must be trully old and tired and bad quality.

[jtucker78]

Don't argue with titntin ... he knows his sh1t!

Bubbles titntin.

[Tarasque]

Sorry my eye's are trained veteran's. I can tell a difference in all those res's and i can tell what refresh your old crt monitor is running up to about 110hz.

@tweaker
Have you not seen the big price drop in new video card's? You can get the newest ati card's for 200 buck's. Ok wait the launch of the ps3 was 700 buck's that's probably what you paid for your's. Excluded paying extra for everything else cable's and such.

[CrazzyMan]

1) 95% people won`t notice difference between 720 and 1080p resolution on 26-32" TV.
That means, that for games 720p are equal to 1080p, even if not native, they are EQUAL(THAT is ONLY matter).

2) 32" TV is BIGGER then MOST gaming PC displays.

3) Overall, console gamers play on BIGGER displays, then pc users, with resolution EQUAL to 1080p, which is more, then MOST gaming PC usually run nextgen games.

PC gaming is OWNED.)

[Gorgon]

Titntin, as usually, makes some worthy commentaries and is too bad that people just don't listen. Its true that PCs are clearly superior, always were, to their console brethren. But thats not the point. A console is a system fully optimized for gaming while a PC as to run on top of a bulky, bloated OS. A PC with similar specs will never run a game as well as a similarly spec console simply because the OS is not optimized for gaming, neither is the hardware itself, because of its modular nature. In the end it is superior, but at a cost. Ofcourse, as time goes by, hardware prices drop and you get a clearly superior PC for the same price of a console. But thats not the point.

I've been a PC player for 20+ years, as well as an overcloker, so I know my tech well. The fact is that at this moment I have a high-end PC and a PS3 and I find myself enjoying my PS3 on my new Sony Bravia W4000 46'' quite more than my PC. I ain't gonna spend a single peny more on my PC and when the Xbox 720 comes around its the end of PC gaming for me. PC gaming has nothing to offer me anymore that justifies the upgrades and assles as it did 5 years ago. Give me a 720p top notch game on a 46'' TV over the increasingly rarified PC gaming landscape at 1900x1200 anyday.

[Charmers]

I wondered how long it would take you lot to bring out the upscaling card. Yeah you play a game natively rendered at 1024 x 768 UPSCALED to 1920 x 1080. There is a world of difference between doing the res natviely and scaling to it. If you can't see that then you are blind in more ways than one. To claim you are running in higher resolutions because the image is upscaled is nothing but lunacy and a great big cop out.

It's the same with this rubbish of not being able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p, I sure as hell can and if you can't then you either have a cheap 1080p TV or you are as blind as a bat. It is so moronic it isn't even funny, you guys are stating that you can't tell the difference between 1280 x 720 and 1920 x 1080 ???? I mean listen to yourselves.

Now if the PS3 was running MGS4 at 1080p natively I would be impressed and probably agree with this Kojima bloke, but it ISN'T and it NEVER will do a game like MGS4 at 1080p res natively. So is the PS3 a beast of a machine ?... hm no not really it's just Kojima keeping his pay masters happy that is all it is (and if you don't think he gets a pay off from Sony then you really are beyond help).

[CrazzyMan]

I`m impressed, NO.

MGS4 run natively at 1024x768, but for PC to run at such resolution, you would need a something like 8 core intel processor and GF9800GTX.
BECAUSE pc would stuck(drop FPS) there, where game is perfectly optimized for PS3. To optimize game for mid range pc, you would need years, many years.

p.s. REPEAT:
God of war 2 was running on 300Mhz cpu, 150Mhz gpu with only 4Mb vram and 32Mb main ram.

And for worse looking Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, you needed PIII 1200Mhz, 240Mhz gpu with 64Mb vram and 256Mb main ram.

[Charmers]

@ CrazzyMan - please stop embarrassing yourself. Do you HONESTLY believe the PS3 is the eqivulent of an 8 core Intel Processor and a 9800GTX PC ? Because that is what you are claiming here. If the PS3 was as powerful as that why are we not seeing it then ? Why is it all ports and games run better on my lowly quad and 8800gts BETTER than they do on your PS3 which you "claim" is the eqivulent of a 8 core Intel chip with 9800gtx ???? Why is it that my lowly PC plays COD 4 at higher resolutions than the PS3 NATIVELY ? Oh and don't bring that "oh oh but that is multiplatform and developers can't take advantage" rubbish out, it's just one excuse after another with the PS3.

Please USE your brain the PS3 has a 7800gtx eqivulent card GET used to it, the RSX is not miraculous nor is the CELL BE it is great at certain maths but complete garbage in terms of general processing it is a stinker. I don't even know why I am trying to reason with you. How on earth can you reason with someone that thinks a console has an eqivulent of a 9800gtx in it. I am surprised you didn't go the whole hog and claim the PS3 has the eqivulent of a GTX280 in it.

Oh and stop harping on about the PS2, it ran games in 640 x 480 at the same time PC gamers were running games in at least 1024 x 768. That was the reason behind Prince of Persia's enhanced recommended specs. You were running the game in 640 x 480, PC gamers wanted to run the game in 1024 x 768 really it isn't rocket science, the specs for games had to be higher on the PC because we were running them in HIGHER resolutions.

[hfaze]

"@ CrazzyMan - please stop embarrassing yourself. Do you HONESTLY believe the PS3 is the eqivulent of an 8 core Intel Processor and a 9800GTX PC ?"

By the time you factor in the overhead from a general-purpose OS and services running in the background, I would tend to agree with CrazzyMan. You're talking about the difference between a machine with an OS dedicated to gaming (translation: REALLY optimized with a very small CPU/Memory footprint when running games), and a general purpose PC.

Here's an apples-to-apples comparison... Halo 2... On the original XBox, it ran PERFECTLY on:

1) A 733Mhz Intel Coppermine based CPU (Pentium III equivilent)
2) 64MB of shared RAM between system and video
3) An nVidia NV2A (somewhere between the GeForce 3 and 4) video chipset.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Halo 2 on the PC required the following:

1) A 2Ghz or faster CPU
2) 1GB of system RAM
3) NVIDIA 6100, ATI X700, or above

http://www.microsoft.com/ga...

"Oh and stop harping on about the PS2, it ran games in 640 x 480 at the same time PC gamers were running games in at least 1024 x 768. That was the reason behind Prince of Persia's enhanced recommended specs. You were running the game in 640 x 480, PC gamers wanted to run the game in 1024 x 768 really it isn't rocket science, the specs for games had to be higher on the PC because we were running them in HIGHER resolutions."

And let's take a closer look at the PS2... Show me ONE PC game that could even come close to God of War 2 AND run on a PC with even similar specs to the PS2... You just CAN'T do it when you're developing a game to run on the least common denominator instead of a STANDARDIZED hardware platform.

Yeah, you can run games in higher resolutions... But how much do you have invested into your gamer PC rig? I gave up on PC gaming a good four years ago due to the ridiculous amount of money you have to spend to keep your PC up to spec to run the latest and greatest PC games.

To each their own...

[Charmers]

You seem to completely miss the point, well done on that. I would never argue that the consoles are not efficient, however that does not make them "beasts" it makes them efficient. You guys keep throwing the PS2 games in my face as if they are some sort of benchmark. Yes what they did with the PS2 was good but the games still ran in a low resolution of 640 x 480. It was the same with the xbox 1 all the games ran in a low res of 640 x 480. There were NO high resolution games on the old consoles. At the same time as you were playing god of war 2 etc etc I had been playing Doom 3 in 1024 x 768 for nearly THREE years and Half life 2 in 1024 x 768 for 3 years.

This is what you don't seem to be getting into your heads, there was a reason for the extra specs needed for PC versions. We were running your 480p games in NATIVE high resolution, that is why Halo on the PC needed twice the PC that the xbox 1 was because PC gamers wouldn't run a game in such a pathetically low res as 480p. But you won't take any of this in there is no convincing someone that has been blinded by the Sony PR machine.

As for my mega PC costing me ridiculous amounts of money. Hm another LIE if memory serves I built it around the same time as the PS3 came out in my country and it cost me an extra £150 over the price of the PS3 (which was £425). I believe it was :-

Q6600 2.4ghz = £200
8800gts = £175
M/B = £80
2gbs Ram = £50
250gb HD = £50

It runs everything at 1680 x 1050 with no problems. I will of course naturally be upgrading soon. Not because I have too, but because I WANT TOO. I want to get the PC up to spec so I can play games at 2560 x 1600. Why would I do that I hear you ask ? Because I want to get the absolute best out of my hobby, I enjoy messing with PC tech and you start to out grow PC's after a certain length of time.

At the end of the day this is a story about whether the PS3 is a "beast" of a machine. I say clearly no it isn't if it is running games at a pathetically low res of 1024 x 768 I fail to see how it can be called a "beast" in any way shape of form. Now if it was rendering MGS4 NATIVELY at 1080p resolutions I would agree, but it ISN'T and never will.

[_Q_]

Isn't having to "upgrade" or "add" crap all the time just to play a great game. I know PC has the capability to get better than consoles but less and less companies are deving for PC because of piracy(Crytek being one)So most of the best games will be on consoles (thus superior)
Most of PC hacks are just playing WoW anyway which is a game that the PS2 probably can do so big whoop for PC gaming.

[Blue Legend]

MGS2 on PC can run at 1600 x 1200.
MGS4 runs at, what.. 1024 x 768?

One giant step backwards if you ask me.

[tweaker]

^^ Fail

I can force MGS1 on my PC to run higher than 1024x768. That doesn't mean it'll look better.

[titntin]

@ charmers

Your assertions are plainly ridiculous.
Equating a higher resolution with a better game experience is for the intellectually challenged. If you wish to stand by that argument, then would have to concede that that the 20 games I play on my PS3 at 1920 x1080 native rendering are all vastly superior to anything you play on your machine. Take Gran Turismo 5 at native 1080P - obviously vastly superior to anything your playing as its at a higher res...The argument is plainly retarded.

"Q6600 2.4ghz = £200
8800gts = £175
M/B = £80
2gbs Ram = £50
250gb HD = £50"

Now we can plainly see the lack of balance in your opinions, as you are plainly trying to cook the figures to try and support your silly argument.
Unlike anyone else on the planet, you manage to run your PC without a case, without an operating system and without a keyboard and mouse, and without any drives to install software from. You obviously enjoy playing in silence too, as you've not included a sound card either. In addition, unless you are playing it through a TV (and we know you are not as you are running at less than 1080P res) you also need a monitor and and some speakers.
Price doesn't look so attractive anymore does it? And thats why you didn't include any of what you need...

The fact is, your arguments are complete folly. The quality of a gaming experience is NOT primarily determined by the resolution you run it at.... and if it were, all 'our' 1080P games would be far superior to your 'puny' resolution.

Like any well balanced games player who actually enjoys games over tech, I'll take my gaming entertainment where ever I can find it. That will sometimes include games on my PC's (all three of which would eat your for breakfast), but will also include the 360, the PS3, and god help me, even the WII on the rare occasion theres a game I enjoy.
There no question that the bulk of the defining games of the last couple of generations have been on consoles, if your not playing them, its simply you who are missing out. My PC's remain largely used for Retro gaming with Emulation, and RTS games where they have strong advantage.

Oh - and if your going to assert with such voracity that Kojima is paid by Sony, please, do tell us your source. He doesn't work for them and thats a fact. So you are telling us he's taking a 'backhander' to simply praise a machine he's been working on? You simply made it up because it fits the strange little world inside your head. If you did get it from any information or source then please tell us - even if its just a published rumor. You won't, because you simply made it up.

[Booyah]

Did.... you just.... pwned him ?

[Microsoft_Warrior]

Kojima is a ps3 fan GIRL :)
juuken is her GF ........ hahahahaha lezbos

[xboxLOLnewayz]

The PS3 is a monster, kojima is correct 100 purcent.
1.MGS4 will never go to the 360, its pointless to even saying anything cuz then you just have to explain/argue with the bots.
2.The PS3 is a monster, it eats little 360's everyday, havent you guys heard of the sales for the PS3 going up and up?
3. Wolverine is crazy, there was barley a diff between both versions of GTA 4. I mean it was a awsesome game, its just that the 360 did get a extended version, but the extension was basically...like i said, nothing really at all. If anything, Blu-ray made the game more better then the extension for 360.The PS3 ran the game more smoother then the 360 could ever do.
case closed.

[B-Rein]

PS3!!! FTW!!!

[gano]

And this we know.

[user9422077]

JEDI WOLVERINE You said "As regards MGS4 - nice but overhyped and overrated thus not to bothered if it came to the 360 or not."

It was certianly overhyped, but it lived up to the hype and didn't dissapoint the majority of us, and it's certainly not overrated, GtaIV is over rated not MGS4.

[theusedfake]

that when a developer praises a console,
everyone goes into a frenzy
and has to put it down because it's
not the console they have...

the man likes what the PS3 is capable of.
OMG hell's freezing over that it's not
your beloved xbox.

get over it, life goes on

[EatingToast]

I agree with you man.

[user9422077]

theusedfake I completely agree with you mate, he likes what the ps3 is capable of.

[Asurastrike]

People who say this haven't seen the PS3 during mission briefings, DUALSHOCK3 Snake uses to control the MK.2, the blu ray codec call, or the PSP the little girl plays.

[gano]

And that's all some people know, even in the interview he expressed
his support for the system.

[arakouftaian]

N IT WAS SOO FUNNY I GUESS THAT TELLS EVERYTING IT WILL NEVER BE ON THE XBOX IM SORRY FOR TEH XBOX FANS BECUZ IS A GREAT GAME

[badz149]

where did the 360 go? somebody are going beyond the dumbest level just to downplay the PS3! nice trolling!

[Nervz]

Got PWNED!

LMFAO!

[Yoichi_Wada]

Yes, Hideo Kojima-san, PS3 has bought a whole new era to gaming.
Hopfully in future we will have enough monstorous engines to develop the future to gaming that measures upto the PS3's power alone.

[Mr Fancy Pants]

o.o

[Nervz]

Just like how MGS3 was on xbox, OH WAIT!

keep dreaming X-tards.

[Sez]

trust me. no 360 owner wants MOVIE GEAR SOLID4. we actaully like playing games. not movies.thats why we have netflex as a add-on to live.

[Common Sense]

Is that why all the 360 fanboys are claiming MGS4 is coming to the 360?

I thought you all didn't like FFXIII before but when it went multiplatform, N4G was crawling with 360 fanboys.

[Mr402]

With multiplatform becoming so big now will 3rd party devs even worry about utilyzing the abilities of the machine? I would think not because they want parity with 360 version and vice versa. That's why exclusives are still important. It allows the devs to concentrate all there efforts into bringing the most out of the hardware. Sony has a ton of 1st party devs and I hope we see that. Oh and once again Sony. Get your head out your arse and give us some rpgs!

[spandexxking]

i think thats about to change, i remember news a while back that a lot of third party devs were using the ps3 as the lead. i think ubi was one of them. cant quite remember though.

[Guitarded]

Yet the best game on the system is a third party game. Interesting.

[cpt]

that PS3 is literally a beast. It may not be easy to tame. If you treat it just like any other normal piece of hardware, you will just be scratching the surface of its power and result in mediocre quality games/ports. But once fully tooled (harnessed), the processing power of the CELL will make a day-and-night difference.

I personally think that Ken Kutaragi is the one responsible for all these idiosyncracies of the PS3 hardware. This compound with the fact that insufficient development support was initially available from SCE/IBM really hurt PS3's launch. Hopefully as more developers gain experience with the hardware, quality games like MGS4 will be more commonplace on PS3.

[Tarasque]

Share some of your code talk or quit talking out your arse.

[cpt]

Code talk? I'm not a game programmer so I don't think I'm qualified to talk about the details in coding. But the thing is if you have at least a little background in engineering, it won't be too hard to do your own research about hardware specs and make your own judgement.

As for my judgement about the PS3 hardware, by "any other normal piece of hardware" I mean architectures based on general purpose CPU cores (e.g. the 360 Xenon). It's a well known fact that CELL uses a bunch of smaller SPE cores that suits best in doing floating point number crunching. The whole coding methodology and mindset need to adjust to this structure in order to tap its power. I didn't say that it's the best solution out there. I even hinted that this is actually a mess created by Ken. But the fact is if properly tooled this architecture still has decent potential in delivering outstanding gaming experiences (e.g. MGS4).

[supergamer]

PS3 is BEAST!

[dutchdolo1586]

I'm glad this game is exclusive to PS3! I hear a lot of talk about it coming to 360 but I don't think that's a possibility. I don't have anything against the 360 its a great gaming machine but its just not up to par with the PS3!

[Nervz]

Awww, jealousy at its finest....to bad 360 has no game like it.

What was IGN response? "if we could, we would have given MGS4 a 11/10"

Gamespot gave it a perfect 10.

to bad NO exclusive 360 title from those highly reliable review sites was given the perfect 10/10.

[Sez]

first off. i own a ps3 and MGS4. so trust me i speak from experience. it's nothing special. just a movie with gameplay elements. and if i'm not mistaken halo3 scored 10's too. so whats your point. will it sell better than halo3? no

[Common Sense]

No self-respecting Ps3 will bash it's most respected exclusive. I don't have MGS4 because it's not my type of game but I won't bash it.

[gnothe1]

many of you PS3 ONLY guys say you dont THINK the 360 can handle MGS4 but you never say why. is it because Blu Ray.well thats just storage. a little compression an more than 1 disc then your good. what else, the graphics, many of you talk about THE CELL!! when in fact the cell DOESENT do the graphics the RSX does, the cell just helps out at times. an that bothers me alot when many of you always brag about the cell. its a shame when this chip SUPPOSED to be superpower, but they can manage to get multi platform games to run better on the PS3. you wanna know why!! BECAUSE THE CELL DOESNT DO THE GRAPHICS. an dont come with this list talking about DMC4,COD4 looks better on the PS3 because WE ALL KNOW thats not true.

[Shadow Flare]

Then its pretty funny how Gran Turismo 5, Killzone 2, Uncharted, hell even some scenes i've seen in Afrika, they all pwn 360 in graphics. Gran Turismo 5 is a game Xbox 360 simply cannot do. And thats not just about graphics, im also talking about the ray-trace light elements in GT5. Xbox 360 cannot do that. As for MGS4, i can think of 1 real-time cut scene i don't think Xbox 360 can do. The end of Act 3 when Ocelot is on the boat, and people who have played it know what i mean. The amount of things happening in that cut-scene and the graphical quality of it...it would put a sweat on the 360, and thats an understatement. It would be priming its 3 red flashing lights. And the Cell chip does help out with the graphics too, but also handles the huge amounts of calculations games like LittleBigPlanet needs for the amount of physics involved.

I've yet to see any Xbox 360 1st party title out do one of PS3's top 1st party titles graphically. And it seems to me 360 is plataeuing in the graphics department. PS3 looks to just keep giving and giving. Cell, i would imagine, plays a big part in that

[tweaker]

Some claim the RSX is only as powerful as a 7800GTX graphics card. Do you honestly think games like Killzone 2, MGS4, and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue are possible on that type hardware alone? Believe it or not, but the Cell is actually helping the graphics on the PS3.

[beavis4play]

2 animated platformers that offers a direct comparison which shows how much more powerful the ps3 is over the 360

[Rhythmattic]

SPE's within the PS3 Are a Graphic POWER House. These aren't General Processing units (like a CPU) But are more equivalent to a GPU's (graphics Processor Units) Like seen on Video cards. These DSP's crunch Specialised Algorithms better, and faster than a GP CPU.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

BTW , Listen to the dialogue in the 2nd video , The guy actually mentions they are even using a single SPE for data compression because the Gigabit network bandwidth isn't fast enough !

This all without the RSX.. SO . SPE"S cant do graphics ?

It Can and can do quite a bit until passed onto the RSX.

[NowGen]

if all these mega fans of sony truly believe that ps3 is really capable of these things, then why do they get so upset all the time and feel the need to keep repeating the same old thing. you cant do this on the 360, and you cant do that on the 360. ps3 is god like and 360 is trash. if thet really feel that way they sure as hell dont act it. they act more like scared little fans trying to justify their purchase again and again. i bought the 80 gig some months ago and also have the 360 elite. i dont feel either is compromised by the other. actually i feel they compliment each other. i have a great time with both. so should everyone. the world would be a better place.

[Tarasque]

All you have to do is take out the boring cutscene's and you could fit the game on a minidisk. Hell you could probably fit it on a cd for the matter.

[Tarasque]

The Spe's are not designed around graphic's, and actually lag's behind the 360's cpu in everyway just about, far as number's are concerned. Just go look it up. But if you can get the spe's working in harmony it does great thing's. This is where i think they screwed up on the 360 cause they made it to easy to dev for and it make's them a little lazy. In some case's not all.

[PistolPumptMonk]

"All you have to do is take out the boring cutscene's and you could fit the game on a minidisk. Hell you could probably fit it on a cd for the matter."

HA yes and lets take the combos out of the next Tekken... you know so little of the wonders of Metal Gear Solid my friend...

[Rhythmattic]

I Do understand your point, but my response to gnothe1 is that it is possible graphics can be done on SPE's. Thats the reason for the video link. No More, No Less.

As far as numbers, What do you mean look it up ? Like Folding home stats ? Consoles Sold?

There is a lot of Good and bad Games out there , Whichever platform you choose, Unfortunatley , this can be said true for GAMERS.

I just needed to correct a uninformed-fact of the PS3's SPE's.

[Wraith001]

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[xboxLOLnewayz]

Oh yes, the PS3 is a monster, its gonna eat up the baby xboxs and bots, chew them up, then spit them out cuz they taste nasty!LOL

[gersh]

I'm just waiting for a retial version of Metal Gear Online because I never got into the MGS series. Just the first one.

[user9422077]

the first one was great, after mgs4 the best.

[iGrenade]

Beast.

[Expy]

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is currently a PlayStation 3 exclusive, but the recent announcement that Final Fantasy XIII is coming to the Xbox 360 has ignited rumours that it won't be long until MGS4 is also available for the PS3's rival platform."

How much more journalism bs do you need? It shows you which party most of these "journalists" are obviously rooting for.

[tudors]

If you mean GTP then I disagree that the Xbox-360 cannot achieve the same quality, I have seen it running in HD and do not understand the hype, as for Killzone and uncharted I am sure that many would argue that they are possible on the Xbox-360, if a game is exclusive then how will we ever know? I have found the Xbox-360 to be extremly consistent in the graphics department, while games like Uncharted look wonderfull why do multiplats always seem better on the Xbox-360? PS3 will have Bioshock soon, lets see which looks best, I think they look about the same at present, hopefully uncharted makes it's way to Xbox-360 so we can see how it will look.

Problem is I doubt that will happen, but until it does or I see a game from the PS3 come to the Xbox-360 as proof that it cannot do it then I have yet to see any game on PS3 that I think the Xbox-360 cannot do also.

"Gran Turismo 5 is a game Xbox 360 simply cannot do. And thats not just about graphics, im also talking about the ray-trace light elements in GT5. Xbox 360 cannot do that"

I thought the Xbox-360 could do raytracing? but anyway it does not seem to have helped with the car damage instead you hit a wall and feel like you are playing pinball. The handling is very good I will say that though.

[DARK WITNESS]

anyone remember when they said FF13 could not be done on the 360.....

as for pro-logue. i owned the game and played it. The cars are flawless, but the backgrounds... i won't waste my time, but they are not that great.

i don't think MGS4 will ever be on the 360. In fact i hope it does not. i bought my ps3 for that game.. i have to have reason for still having it.

lol, once upon a time i remember fanboys saying the 360 could not do AC. lol

[Shadow Flare]

tudors, im not going to spend alot of time with this one because you're one of these people who think multi-platform games are a good showcase for graphics comparisons.....yeah, moving on. I don't know where you pulled that gem of wisdom from but xbox 360 cannot do real-time ray trace lighting. If you want to disprove me, scour the internet then. Show me it can, i will gladly say i was wrong.

Not only does GT5:P's graphics look amazing, it also pulls it off in 1080p, 60fps. And incorporates ray-trace lighting into parts of the game. Bundle that all together, and that is something im also certain the 360 can't pull off.

As for damage, Kaz Yamuachi is including damage in this game. Do you think the ps2 was so incapable of providing damage in GT4? Kaz held off because of "Time issues and manufacturers unwillingness". Plus, Kaz has a keen eye for realism. So if he was going to incorperate damage, he's not going to just make some crappy arcade effect, he wants it to be as real as possible. He said before that he would only incorperate damage into GT once it was on a platform powerful enough to show it realistically. But thats all been sorted now because GT5 will have damage.

Just as a quick one, multiplatform games are the stupidest way of comparing a consoles power. Mulitplatform games are designed to perform similar across consoles to reduce production costs. The game which is 'lead developed' usually look and perform better. Xbox 360 multiplatform games often look/ perform better because they are the lead platform. Not because its more powerful, but because its easier to program for. Final Fantasy XIII has been in development solely for ps3 for years, and Square once stated "We believe we are the only company to get the majority of power out of whe cell". The Xbox 360 version is going to be a bad port. Inferior in most respects, graphics being one of them. Only 1st party AAA exclusives should be the showcase for a consoles power. And PS3 owns the 360

[Tarasque]

Please GT5 Prologue is in the same turd boat as MGS4. Yeah the car's look good, but the rest of the game is bland and just lack of detail. I am a avid racefan and i found this game disappointing along with alot of friend's. The sound was lacking, and supposedly being a tru sim was far from sim like. I notice pop in's during gameplay, that's something that has been tooking care of in racing game's for a short while now.

[Wraith001]

I'd have to agree, i was pretty disappointed with GT5P. But maybe my expectations were to high?

Honestly i don't know why i just got bored with it. TBH i had more fun with Grid.

[pete2711]

No 360 owner wants MGS4??

Is that because you know it will RROD your XBOX, I can't see MGS4 goin XBOX anyway it can only be run on PS3, Full stop. No if's or buts. Like more games will be in the futre it can only be run with the power of the ps3, Not on a gloryfied hairdryer!

[Knightmare]

Ignore the damn bots, I bet they dream every night about playing it on their xbox, then wake up all of a sudden cause it went RROD!

[Rageanitus]

But please dont get over your heads thinking the ps3 is THAT powerful.

The gpu on the ps3 is as equivalent as the xbox 360's gpu.

If the cell were that powerful and it CAN do gpu instructions why do we have a gpu in the first place. Not saying the gpu is bad but its not the greatest when you compare it to current pc gpu's

Yes xbox can't handle blu-ray at the moment but if the game is programmed to run straight from hard drive. im pretty sure the hardware itself can handle the game.

[jspc1989]

Sony has got the seemingly best PR in the world lol. they even have their ''fanboys'' shouting out ''the power of the cell'' now lol.

Just before i go ahead becus i dont wana get dived on for this, i can't wait to get my ps3 for mgs4 next month hopefully.

Anyway now i have that out of the way, I have a few questions.

If sony hadn't gone crazy with the whole PR thing and made a big deal about how powerful the cell is, would any of you know? Apart from the occasional real tech enthusiast who actually may know what he/she is talking about on here, would most the people who go on about the cells power really have a clue if sony hadnt shoved it in everybodies faces. If msoft had gone crazy on the power of the 360 using the same PR techniques would this argument be the opposite way round?... just food for thought.

This site should be renamed ''N4NG.com'' - News for non gamers. Just seems to me that there is more time spent b!tching over a few computer chips nowadays than there is talk about any actual games. Or at least for every one gaming article there are 10 other fanboy-ant ones.

Im a gamer so I enjoy playing games - period! I couldn't care which system its on, if i like the game i will do my best to get the system and play it - that should be all there is to it - unfortunately i know that this will never happen.

peace out x jc x

[PenisaurisDix]

I play it on 360 and think it's one the best videogames I have ever experienced. I don't care what beefs you have to call it "garbage" is -- it's sacrilege !

[Kleptic]

great game?...yes...best game ever?...hardly...GTA SA had WAY more fun stuff to do, actually had a reason to earn all that money, and had infinitely better side missions...

face it...GTAIV simply looks better than all the other games...the back story of Nico is simply a wash (takes 15 missions just to get another 4 minutes of his story)...and the weapons in GTAIV?...totally suck...

GTA was about over the top carnage...ridiculously fun driving mechanics...and being able to do whatever you wanted...dating?...what?...gtf o...realistic driving?...it sucks...realistic weapons?...they suck...i want mini-guns...I want flamethrowers...I want chainsaws...I don't want the same monotonous missions as the earlier games...I don't want to run around doing stuff to get money that I have no need for...

the multiplayer aspect was much needed...but it still feels very tacked on and not well thought out...GTAIV was a great game...but it is definitely not even the best GTA game so far...I was very happy with it for the first 10 hours...as the visuals easily made up for the lackluster everything else...but the very minute you get used to how awesome the city looks, you will realize how the game is definitely overrated...

[Wotbot]

this mean anything. In Edge he stated "because of the limitations of the pS3 they had to reduce the size of the levels".

I have a PS3, so if it's all that powerful how come you have to spend 15-20 mins on installing MGS4 through out the game. And when on the last cut-scenes you get pauses so the blu-ray can catch up, even though you have spent all this time installing.

And MGS4 graphics were good, but not amazing for a 4 year development cycle. For me Resi 5 looks better on the 360 and PS3.

To me, storeys like this are pointless.

[Tarasque]

Cause kojima is a flip flopper he talk's about how displeased he is with the ps3. Then i guess sony snap's at him then he make's a good comment i have seen this several time's from him.

And to your comment about MGS4 graphic's. The game look's alot better if you wear a pair of sony glasse's.

[DJ]

of MGS4 and its concurrent development depending on whether he's being interviewed in Japan, or abroad. In Japan, he has to be very humble (cultural requirement) and be sure not to show off, which Kojima says is pretty hard at times since some of the things his team has pulled off are incredible.

But when being interviewed in say North America, or Europe, he can drop the 'culturally based humblenss' and talk about his game in an honest matter. This is why his Japanese interviews are typically taken out of context by non-japanese journalistic sources, or vice versa.

[Varsarus]

PlayStation 3 is indeed a monster, mainly because of the bandwidth between Cell & RSX is higher than anything else.

After looking at Gears 2 (which doesn't look like an improvement to me), then you can clearly see the 360 is being maxed out....

[EatingToast]

Gears of war 2 is using the same engine as ut3 and it doesn't even look as good as PS3'S UT3.

[kevnb]

whats with all the apples and oranges ps3/pc comparisons?

[tudors]

I just did not know for sure, apparently some of the new ATI cards can do Ray-tracing so it just got me wandering.

Not trying to cast doubt on the PS3 but why does it need 3 PS3's to demo Ray-tracing, if you have a example with one PS3 being used then please post it. Didn't Shadowflare say that GTP uses Ray-tracing? if so please ignore the 3 PS3 comment.

[Bladestar]

Monster machine which requires a monster budget, monster developer and a huge amount of time (4-5 years) to achieve a game like Metal Gear 4... miss any of those thing and you have a terrible game... the PS3 is not for every developer.

[braydon619]

monster budget? add in all the things the ps3 has and the xbox doesn't and then figure out who has the monster budget...

[da7dal]

raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawww wwwwwwwwwwwwwrrrrr

[dro]

i just hope he is making mgs5 because now he knows what the ps3 is about mgs5 will raise the graphics and gameplay bar even higher.

[ROCCOZILLA]

PS3 has so much more horsepower in it that what is coming will blow the lid off the future in ANY form of entertainment,period.P L A Y B 3 Y O N D !!

[karlostomy]

1 it requires monster developmental budgets
2 it requires monster patience for all the delays
3 it has a monster pricetag
4 it makes monster losses for Sony shareholders http://www.n4g.com/industry...
5 it is monstrously bigger than the wii and 360
6 it has monstrous fanboys/girls
7 it has monster memory problems
8 it had monster hype and brainwashing budgets
9 it uses monster amounts of electricity http://www.destructoid.com/...
10 it is a monstrous letdown

Yep. It's a monster!

Don't get me wrong, MGSIV is a good game...
Sheesh there's so much hate here :)

[Says you]

Really want PS3 fans to have any and not really excited about your games considering deep down inside your mind you know you're games are nothing but crap you guys never did like Metal Gear solid 4 or any of the PS3 games if it went on you're console you would change your mind after that and that Tekken 6 article is old

and if Gears of War went to the PS3 you guys would cry so hard that the PS3 fans would just keep kicking you down like a limping dog that is walking on all 3 legs considering thats what you XBox 360 fans do to PS3 fans and you XBox 360 fans are just pathetic thinking that Microsoft has infinite money considering they don't

Sony could do this to buy exclusives but since there a Japanese corporation there's this thing called honor while the American corporation that you pathetic morons worship because they buy exclusives from the PS3 side doesn't have any, hell if Sony made software they would own Microsoft in that department and make there software use less computer hardware

even if God of war III magically came to the XBox 360 you guys would be happy about that considering some person saw it and said it looks almost like the trailer or better and its been like what 3 years and there hasn't been any XBox 360 game that can do a CGI quality graphics.

[Carl]

Nice article Jack, i saw this on the BBC website.

[cam2030]

Let Xbots do the talking, but in a meanwhile lets all ps3 owners wait till Killzone 2 comes out, then they will see just how the ps3 is the monster. The way i see it, 360 is just in the way between Developers and ps3.

[Aclay]

Yep, that's right, the PS3 is a Monster Machine and that's why Metal Gear Solid 4 is a PS3 exclusive and always will be. Just because FFXIII went to the 360, that doesn't mean that every other PS3 3rd party exclusive will go to the 360.

[DJ]

I can seriously attest to that. The number of things happening in realtime has to be seen to be believed.

[pornflakes]

MGS4 cant be done on the 360.. of course for the PS3tards.

Well i remember last year that FF13 was also impossible on the 360... now we get it... we also get Tekken6 and versus.

And if Kojima wont port the game to 360 than MS will pay Konami some money that Kojimas a*s will burn.

[NewSchoolGamer]

development on the xbox360 version has not even started yet so you don't know how many discs it will be AND they had to dumb down the PS3 version .

With MGS4 Kojima was very ambitious and he made Mgs4 for the PS3 because he knew could push MGs4 the farthest on that system.

You guys sound like little 8 year olds everytime you bring up ff13.

[Infernus]

FFXIII will be finished for PS3 before even starting development on 360. Square have already stated that and it's been ignored by many and brought up here as if the 360 is now the most important system for FFXIII.

The plan of action for FF13 (as stated by Square Enix) is as follows:

1) - Game is finished for PS3 (for Japan only).

2) - Localisation begins for PS3 version (for US and Europe).
- 360 development begins.

3) - PS3 game released in US and Europe as soon as localisation is finished, regardless of the state of the 360 version development. This means that the PS3 version will NOT be delayed to get the PS3 and 360 versions out at the same time.
- 360 version released.

So the PS3 version will not suffer just because it's also coming to 360. When the PS3 version is finished it'll be released even if the 360 version isn't quite finished.

Of course Square will want both released at the same time and will aim for that goal, but just because it's a multiplatform title now does not guarantee that the 360 will get it the same week the PS3 does.

[pornflakes]

"Sorry to all the consumers who bought the Playstation3 in believe Sony gave them years ago. I apologize for the dream and the promise we gave you that the PS§ will own the xbox360 on day1 of its release. I know that now after nearly 3 years you are still waiting for the power of the Playstation3. Believe me 'you have still a very powerfull console' which is at least equal to the xbox360. Keep waiting, we will show you the real Power of the PS3 with God of War 3 at the end of the lifespan of the PS3! And you know we will do it. GoD of War 2 also showed you the promised power of the PS2... i know a little bit late.. 7 years.

your Hirai"

[q8warrior]

Kojima is a fanboy :)

[Hueco Muendo Leader]

advanced in comparison to a ps3 game, unless you mean multiplatform, cause exclusives, its not that way son, but ps3 is a beat and i already knew that, MAG is still only just scratching the surface

[FPS nut]

What else is he going to say, and what other system has he developed for this gen?

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Didnt Sony originaly say that the PS3 would come with 2 HDMI's?

They said that with the power of the cell that they could output a 1080p signal to 2 televisions at the same time.......

Dont get me wrong Sony HAVE got a 'beast' of a machine but it really winds me up when people fall for the hype.

Dont even get me started on 4D gaming and everything moving at 120fps at 1080p........

[Zulwarn]

bs3 is a monster alright its $$$ eating monster

http://cache.kotaku.com/ass...

[PimpHandHappy]

ok dude

whats it like to live in a world of monsters and fairys

Nearly 3 years? The PS3 has been on the market for 18months!

Hey maybe we can play some cards!

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

C'mon now people, at this point its pretty obvious the PS3 is a lot more powerful than the 360. Look at KZ2 - one of the best looking games for any console. The multiplayer has more players than Halo3(KZ2 = 32 players online)! Not to mention the maps in games like Warhawk and Resistance are more massive than anything i've ever seen on 360. The next Socom, codenamed MAG, will have 256 players!

All this and they claim they've only been able to use 4/7 of the CPU's of the cell processor to its potential. Originally the PS3 was going to have 2 cell processors, with 16 cpus a piece.

People act like they know what to expect, but how can you compare the 360 to the PS3? There is not another processor like the CELL, let alone in a gaming console. The PS3 is literally a supercomputer.

[FFXI101]

Of course PS3 is a powerful system and machine. Why do you think that Air Force research lab order hundreds(I think it was 300 of them) of PS3 for? and the Folding@Home project they use PS3 to help them in search of cure for cancer, why didn't they use 360? Because they are not powerful enough and they can't even cure their own RROD and other problems.

[wangdiddy82]

so how do you expect it to handle a master piece like MGS4?

I have yet to see a game on the 360 that looks as good as uncharted, as crazy as motorstorm, as pixar as ratchet and clank, and as cinematic as MGS4....

the 360 is doomed.. They better hurry up and announce another halo game or something..

[wangdiddy82]

the force is not strong with you young grass hopper..

Its still early in the ps3's life cycle and look at the games they are pumping out.. I would wait and see until the end of 2008 or 2009 to see if the ps3 can reach what they first stated before the ps3 release.. I can only imagine what devs will learn about the ps3 hardware by than..

Dont get the ps3 confused with the 360 hardware.. the 360 hardware is pretty much maxed to its limits.. the ps3 is far from it..

[FFXI101]

Just so you know, the PS movie/TV/Anime download service you can actually own/buy them not just rent them(I don't remember 360 can do that) It took Kojima 4, 5 years to work on MGS4 because first two years the PS3 wasn't out yet so they don't know what's PS3 wil be like.

Think, it took them longer because the power of PS3, they want to make a game that will set the stander, if this was on 360 how much longer do you think they'll need? probably not too long, because 360 doesn't have the PS3's ability and power, it'll be done in a very short time. The game itself would look like crap and comes with 7 or 8 discs on 360.

[-Neon-]

"PS3 is a monster machine. That's why it took so much time to create Metal Gear Solid 4."
This could be taken as a positive or as a negative...
So is the PS3 a monster as in scary, out of control or a monster as in a big, powerful thing?
I want it straight Kojima! *confused face*

[tojfs7931]

Hard to program for.

[Infernus]

The PS3 is a monster machine in that it's powerful but hard to control, it takes time to harness that power and put it to use.

[unbiased]

In 540p at 15fps with no act3 because of the bike chase, just skip to act4 lol

[caffman]

thats being slain by both the xbox 360 and the wii!

[tojfs7931]

Have never thought that all Konami would have to do is change the in game graphics to replace them with 360's and zunes and there you have it.

[Naked Snake]

Well he's obviously not going to say it's rubbish, is he? Whatever the case, i can't wait to see his next PS3 game.

[Sayai jin]

But yet he was just qouted that next level/gen gaming is not possible on any machine.

[Infernus]

The 'next-level' of gaming to Hideo Kojima is probably fully mind-controlled games that are photo-realistic, putting you directly into the game.

That's the sort of thing he means and of course that isn't possible on any system at the moment.

[chidj2]

Its official PLAYSTATION®3 system its better than xbox 360, more than proved with the father of one the best series ever made METAL GEAR SOLID,
One more time the PLAYSTATION®3 deserves the title of Real next gen console than the competence and this because its the console with more future: AAA exclusives games, free online service, and a established comunity growing day by day, let the bots continue with they Bottleneck console and theyr red lights of death they only can wait failure by failure when we the PLAYSTATION®3 owners are going to be Playing the Real next gen with our monster console.

Play b3yond

[pete2711]

Is'nt metal gear a full blu-ray? So it would need to be on like 6-7 discs to have it on xbox? Or maybe if they compressed it loads they could get it onto 3-4 discs, But wouldn't that then compromise the quality? And even then you'll have to play it with your telly on full volume to hear it over the xbox as it will have to work stupidly hard to run it like it does for GTA4, The noise it makes running the big games is ridiculas, Until it gets RROD.

[HollyWoodrulz]

Listen Metal gear came out and the day came and went..I own all three platforms i havent purchased it for my ps3 yet.The way i see it konami needs xbox more than xbox needs Mgs4...Its not Halo or Gears and never will be...The series is ridiculously overrated and still living off the hype of the then supposely revolutionary metal gear on ps2....When GOW2 comes out it will be an event and that drives the sony fan nuts....Metal gear did not originate on a sony system so stop acting like it did...it most likely will end up on 360 because konami needs to make their money back...but I wish Microsoft would tell konami where they can stick their game.

[Rob0g0rilla]

Aren't you still waiting for that game? You know, the game they said that wasn't possible on PS3? You don't even have the game yet your calling it overrated. And it lives off of hype? Your getting it mixed with Halo 3. Go play it and quit being a fanboy. Who cares how much the game sells. If it's a good game then go try it out. Or you can wait for Microsoft's version of the game or wait until it goes to 360 so it won't be overrated anymore. Once it goes to 360 I'm sure you'll be the first one to start kissing the game's ass.

[Rob0g0rilla]

Just like creating Oblivion on the PS3. The developers had to go through "trial and error". But then Sony came through with some better development tools and they didn't have to worry about that.

[Xi]

It's a beast... But it's still not any more powerful than the 360, which is also a beast...

Kojima is a movie director that couldn't make it in the fim industry and it shows in his games. His games remind me of michael Bay's movies... very average.

[TheOutsider]

Damn right it is!! It eats up all the other consoles!!!

[sleepbox]

Though i've seen comment after comment like this I've still yet to see any PS3 games that prove it.

[SpartanZero]

I read somewhere the FIFA version of PS3 was inferior due to the memory so stfu

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Some nice points regarding the Saturn.....

However i think that even though the Saturn had better games than the PS1 (Panzer Dragoon Saga,Sega Rally,Virtua Fighter 2,Shining Force3,Guardian Heroes etc) the fact is Sony marketed the PS1 so much better.

They appealed to the gamers with disposable income,16 - 30 year old males and made it fashionable to own one.

Its early line up was also 'hip' - ridge racer,wipeout,demolition derby etc.

This generation even though Sony (on paper) have a more 'capable machine' they havent marketed it anywhere as near as well as the PS1.

Nintendo have done the marketing business this gen and it shows with its sales - sure the games suck compared to the 360 or PS3's and with way underpowered hardware but it seems marketing really does make a difference.

*Sits in corner and sheds a tear remembering the Saturn*

[sleepbox]

I no longer own a 360, because honestly, it sucked. But the PS3 sucks a lot worse. I am waiting to see why the PS3 is a monster machine but, honestly, I've yet to see it. If MGS4 or Killzone 2 looked like they did in the E3 2006 vids, I'd have bought a PS3 already but sadly they aren't.

[DJ]

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[Bebedora]

of what you prefer (OP) should be in focus. You are a gamer in my view.

I must disagree though, KZ2 is spectacular

[KrimsonKody]

RROD IS CAUSED WHENEVER A PS3 IS POWERED ON WITHIN 50-125FT OF AN XBOX'S CIRCUMFERENCE!

LOL, Okay, that's not proven. But there is a few FACTS that are proven.
A: PS3 is a monster.
B: PS3 is a beast.
C: PS3 is an animal.
D: PS3 will be in many homes for years to come.
E: (someone said earlier-"the quad cell don't control the graphics, so PS3 ports shouldn't be a problem for 360") NO, THE CELL DOESN'T CONTROL THE GRAPHICS (THE RSX DOES), BUT THE CELL DOES CONTROL WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN ( FLOWING WATER, BLOWING TREES,ETC).
F: SONY is JUST getting started...
G: PS3 is sexy.
H: SONY has MAJOR exclusives,
I: The PS3 gives, like...almost no hardware problems.
J: PS3 has MGS4! PERIOD. ( now can I please get on a post without hearing such ludicrousness?-PStMFU.)
K: Eyetoy, HOME, LBP are just the beginning.
L: PS3 is killing 360 in sales, PSP in japan is killing 360 ( I don't have the link, but it's not hard for you to find out).
M: PS3 has a BluRay player, it doesn't have to 'get' a player (again-HD-DVD add-on).
N: PS3 has an remarkable hardware flexibility.
O: SONY has rumble and sixaxis ( I still kinda love that).
P: PS3 can calculate data excessively, help curing cancer ( and other very important data.
Q: PS3's quad cell is capable of QC-ing documents (scanning, imaging and printing documents).
R: Yes, the quad cell is that strong.( see Q:^above^)
S: (Okay, I'll say it) There might be 'something' from the PS3 that can be ported, but it WILL be multi-disc'ed ( even with this DVD9 thing).
T: SONY owners made a slightly better chose in choosing a PS (WOW, I think I'm about to catch some heat from this, :-O).
U: SONY offers SOME kind of warranty ( if ya ever need it).
V: PS3 DOESN'T NEED FFXIII ( I mean, it looks hot and all, but it's not DAT serious).
W: other ( see post'ers comments above- 1080p, PS video store, trophies = prizes, etc).
X: PS3 is dominating Worldwide.
Y: I OWNED a 360 for 2 years, until fate caught up to it (yeah,RROD), then I no longer felt interested in owning one ( so, no - I'm not some "'fanboy"').
Z: Sony owners = Playing B3yond est.1994 = ;>) ppl

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

Well in fact Killzone2 isnt that far off at the moment (being in development for 3+years has helped)

Also MGS4 has turned up trumps in the graphics department - although short of what we saw at E3.

It seems everyone is getting hyped for this MAG now but i hope people realise that the game isnt going to look anywhere as good as the stuff they just showed at this years E3.

Sony have a habit of showing CGI or 'approximations' of what their finished games are going to be like.

Still it does look like it has some nice titles coming out soon - just dont get sucked into the 'graphics hype'..........

[Big Jim]

To all those people who keep saying that the 360 "can't handle MGS4": what are you basing that on? Where is your evidence that the 360 can't handle MGS4? The 360 and PS3 are about equally powerfull. Yes, it would have to be on multiple DVDs, but the 360 can handle MGS4 easily. MGS4 has the best character models and faces I've ever seen in a game, but haven't you people looked at the textures in that game? They're terrible. Every 360 game has better textures. Every 360 game. The shadow moses area of MGS4 looks a lot like many of the buildings in Mass Effect, except that those areas in mass effect look ten times better than shadow moses in MGS4. Why? Because of the textures. There has never been a PS3 game that the 360 can't do. Thats just a fanboy fantasy.

[Bebedora]

Is, I think, a monster...whatever he is developing on. He just prefer a PS3

[jerethdagryphon]

I have read throught about 2000 comments on N4G, concerning this is a failure thats a lie .

quit nitpicking and listen.

concerning graphics
both ps3 and 360s gpus are in the same family of cards, there about equal. the 360 has 10mb vram embeded in the gpu
both gpus use gdr3 ram

criterion games says there about equal in graphics capability

as for cpus
the 360 uses a tricore powerpc chip clocked at 3.2 per core.
all that means is its running 3 operations at once thats all a core is folks a 1 execution unit and a handful of registers

ps3's cell is a powerpc core clocked at 3.2 acting as conducter for 7 spes each clocked at 3.2ghz
cpus and gpus are optimized for different things
a gpu is really good at repititious command for instance opening a box as it passes on a convayer belt
cpus are more general purpose. running around doing more opening windows mopping floors whatever.

in early design there was brief consideration to not having a gpu in the sp3 because properly used 2 spes would more then adaquetly deal with graphics.

spes are meant for repitious commands but they can be tasked with different ones

mgs4 is possible on the 360, it just wont happen mainly because i doubt Kojima wants to rework a finished product,

also bear in mind what the original team who colaberated on the cell had plans for it

ibm super computers
toshiba servers

sony a games console..

cell is vastly under used atm in the ps3
in early games i would hazard that most the processing was done on the ppc core of it and little was offloaded.

uncharted however makes good use of the spes capabilitys

anyhow moving to exclusives

with dev costs rising into 100 million zone no developer who isnt funded by a parent company nintendo sony and mircrosft can really afford to risk sales on just one of the machines

exclusives are the realm of first party developers now
even bunji is nowlonger under microsofts total control while they still have strong ties its likly that non halo bunji games will be multiplatform

as for comments comparing consoles to pcs
the original xbox was off the shelf parts from a p3 pc on one board
in fact nvidia and intels work on that led to the nforce chipset being released later

no pc will match the dedicated gaming capabilitys of a console just like no consile will match the work capabilitys of a pc
yes you have better gpus yes you have more ram and more cores but you also have a big fat os eating your resources

if you really want to know which console is more powerful
dont look at games look at flops which are the comparison used for rating big pcs and compuuters

in this case
218 GFLOP for ps3
115.2 GFLOP for 360

bear in mind the 360 is a tricore general processor with hyperthreathing so it runs6 threads.

those are the numbers
oh and roadrunner worlds faster supercomputer cloacks in at 1 PFLOP
and its a cluster of opterons controlling cells so thats that
360 is a general purpose cpu with a dedicated gaming os
ps3 is a specific purpose cpu with radically differetn arcitature that still hasnt matured

all fanboys do is cloud the issue
which is better, niether both have merits and problems

[Infernus]

Excellent post, bubbles! A well reasoned argument.

"218 GFLOP for ps3
115.2 GFLOP for 360"

I wouldn't mention that again on here though, you'll get your bubbles stolen by 360 fanboys and you'll give the PS3 fanboys more ammunition lol. Based on your post though I doubt you're the sort of person that'd get involved fuelling this console 'war'.

[Bebedora]

<<ps3's cell is a powerpc core clocked at 3.2 acting as conducter for 7 spes each clocked at 3.2ghz
cpus and gpus are optimized for different things >>

Have you even a clue of what parallell processing is capable of, AND how difficult it is?

There is 8 SPEs and 6 operational in the PS3, 1 for the OS and what not. 5 for programming after all.
An example. You have 5 enters and 5 exits. Each of the 5 can operate ASYNCHRONOUS or in parallell, hence independent. There are a potense of 5+ of possibilities for your code to process a truckload of operations (3,2 Ghz). Not just that, the operations are ment for raytracing, graphics, physics and AI. Nothing has to do with gaming ...right?

What you do with it is your option. Not the OS.

The keyword here is potense, not linear 1x6, like on the XENON. But x^5 on the CELL's gaming code, controlled by the PPE (branching etc).

[N4G-IS-PS3-FANBOY]

I am sick of you idiots saying that the PS3 is a great machine. You just all stick to that because you played the ps2! Thing is, times change and technology changes. The Ps3 has not kept up with these standards. It uses outsourced hardware and has everything programmed by outsourced programmers. Everything that runs on the Ps3 is created by micrsoft. Now the Xbox 360 is revolutionary. Its a technological breakthrough into seemless online play and photo-realistic graphics which the ps3 cannot produce. Still it tries with the many shaders the system has behind its bonnet. You can say that the xbox 360 version of gta 4 was dumbed down but the fact is. The ps3 version was the culprit! We waited nearly another year so that sony could catch up. The xbox 360 version of GTA 4 was finished when sony only just started getting theirs made. Its effortless for the xbox 360 to achieve such amazing graphics and smooth gameplay. We will soon see the super dvd's which will replace the gimmick blu-ray and sony will be left in the dark once more. Why would a company prefer a format that does not allow information to be read of the disc as fast as the game runs. Pointless and very expensive for the game companies to buy into. Why is micrsoft keeping hush about if theyare going to blu-ray? Well because they dont want to let sony in on their little secret. They already allowed them their trophy system!

Sony is dead and even sony know that!

[Obama]

wow the 360 is so revolutionary that it breaks by itself. Awesome.

By the way, I am sure 360 is NOT dead since it is being outsold by the ps3 and wii every single month.

[REDZEV]

TO TRUE, couldnt have said it better myself man. Fanboy you really know your tech good for you. Toshiba does have another ace up its sleeve thats for sure. Have you ever noticed the gap between common sense and intellect between xbox loyalists and the Sony Emo fanboy brigade. Its a pretty big gap.

[Ramrod]

Here we have a classic example of it takes one to know one. Stop crying about the 360 and stop crying about the PS3... both are great systems in their own right.

The fact is, (and is always this way) Sony mistakenly makes it very difficult to develop games on their systems, beucause they use their own develeopment software, instead of making a mainstream version. Devs complained till they cried about the PS2, but once they learned how to utilize it, it was an amazing sight to behold. Same thing with the PS3.... RAW power the PS3 is better than the 360... problem is, we won't see it all until a few years down the road, when the Devs finally figure the system out.

[jerethdagryphon]

my mistake i forgot that 1 is meant as reduncencvy to increase chip yield and one was rerserved i included the redundent one in my numbers but noth the os
and yes im well aware of how the chip is an in order processor
and i know what it can do and exactly how difficult it is

i also tried to minize the amount of detailed knowedge needed i would be happy to hold a civilized disscusion with you concerning tech specs from whitepaper to reality sometime but that wasnt my objective her it was mearly to give my view backed up by existing data my speeds were not wrong and my spes off by one which if your not running the os ont that chip is freed up for other uses
my apologys

and its not 6 operatiponal is 7 operation al on a perfect chip 6 will be used one dedicated for reduncency if an spe fails or depending on coding could in theroy be used to offset a preticulary heavy loaded spe

this is what sony wanted early cells had higher failure rates during ething and those damaged spes were disabled kindof like phenom tri cores

[REDZEV]

yeah it sure is a monster. A monster paper weight slash Foreman grill. Its a monster of a complete failure.

[jerethdagryphon]

your entire comment and quote of mine just added more infor about the cell yes spes are stupidly good
a 2xcell at2.4ghz clock can throw some impresive raytrace vigures but thats not the point
most people understand ghz and gb not the indeapth stuff you obviously do

[Chaos Striker]

excellent post of statistics comparing the two as well as to PC's, bubbles for you

[N4G-IS-PS3-FANBOY]

" Obama - wow the 360 is so revolutionary that it breaks by itself. Awesome.

By the way, I am sure 360 is NOT dead since it is being outsold by the ps3 and wii every single month. "

Truth Hurts, Dont It! Get used to it because those statistics you guys keep throwing out are nothing but total bullsh*t! Neither matters though, because every year is xbox 360's year......

[Mr_Potato_]

The proof you're wrong :

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunc...

Fail !

[xboxLOLnewayz]

You had to have had a slight fracture to the head when you were little to call the PS3 a failure or "dead". Put it this way, you have a 360 that has been out for twice as long as the PS3, and is barley winning in statistics, plus after this years E3, the states for the PS3 are already starting to climb! Its a proven fact so dont argue with me fanboy! Ill tell you this, if there is anything going to be dead, it will be a 360, you can bet on that. The PS3 hasso much more going for them, the PS3 is like 8 xbox 360's in 1!lol
Your just another "hater" or "critisizer" in the gaming industry.
Its people like you that make me wanna vomit everytime i look at your ridiculously, ill written, waste of space comment.
Thank you. The 360 section is over there ---->:*[
:p

[Ramrod]

there's no point in talking to Fanboy there, he's just a troll and every response he gets, just feeds him and he gets bigger. Truth is, that if any person on these forums were a TRUE gamer, they would want all the system and that includes the Wii and the PC.

[lost2]

Why dont you all Xbots go suck on bill gates balls?

[airforcex]

Yes, Xbox360 can handle MGS4. There is nothing in the game, that can't be done. The only difference would be multiple disks (unless you compress audio). Look at the facts; 360 handles more polys. At least in GPU, the 360 has an edge. Read MGS4 reviews; they say it's a beautiful game, but none say "these are the best graphics" etc. Also, the fact that a game takes 4 years to develop is not a complement. Yes it is a monster, but that's not always a good thing. Now, I love my PS3; specially Blu-Ray. But at least on the graphics department, don't expect it to surpass 360. Outlets like X-play, and several magazines have pointed this out. Potential in the graphics department is a myth. At most it will match 360. CPU is another story. Cell is much better.

[airforcex]

I invite you to read all the technical comparisons and arrive at you own conclusion. As I said, I own both. The PS3 is very nice and sleek. And it doesn't die (2 of my Xboxes died). The 360 controller is much better, and most games look better on it. Very few exceptions; keep in mind that they also take less to program. The Marketplace is better on 360 (by far). Free online on PS3; sweet. Achievements on 360; sweet. Blu-Ray-awesome. HD DVD (yes I also bought this) crap. Gears of War- great! MGS4- great. Halo3- fun, not great. RFoMan, ok.

[KrimsonKody]

Any 'TRUE gamer' is not gonna want every system. There gonna want every system that counts.PC gaming IS DEAD and the Wii is primarily rated E games. FUN, indeed. A bit adolescent, yes. No sense in spending lots of money on technical gimmicks and high-priced garbage(360), waiting to be trashed. I mind as well get one of those 100 in 1 game consoles, lol. Oh, and a PC game MUST be emaculate for me to even consider 'installing' ( Mass Effect ).

FANBOY, if the PS3 uses outsourced hardware, than what that makes 360 hardware? And if programmers can do what they're doing with 'outsourced hardware', than they are some pretty great programmers, because it still exceeds 360's. GTA4 for the PS3 was 'leveled' to coincide the 360 in performance and graphics. ROCKSTAR was not trying to create a superior version (Rockstar said that themselves). TECHNICALLY ( I think) GTA4 could have been done on PS2 with a HDD attached! Remember, that PS2 HDD was 40GB.

SuperDVD's/DVD9 = LFTTI = Laughs From The Technically Informed.
M$ is hush because their not sure what to do. The TRUTH is, the 360 is aging faster than Snake. The cause:
; 360 was flawed from development.
; PS3 IS excelling rather rapidly.
; The 360 Hardware was not designed to raise to the level that the PS3 can.
360 was a nice generation of gaming, just like the DreamCast.

KRAKDOL, Thanx for supplying the chart. I wish I kept links to prove many of my points. But all I can do relate 'what is'.

P.S- Question: Is the fact that MS ports most of their big budget titles to PC (eventually) a flaw?
PC owners > 360 owners.

[Ramrod]

don't even go on to say that PC gaming is dead, you would be an idiot to even utter those words. PC=360 which is why I own a PC and the PS3, I don't need the 360 because I already have one in my PC.

[Roukuko]

theres a reason Kojima is the greatest video game maker, he uses sony systems

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

about the POWER. I want to SEE the POWER of the PS3. More games need to match KILLZONE 2 visually for me to be impressed. That's why the cell processor is in it right?. Im tired of seeing my bluray movie collection growing while my game collection is in a stalemate... common Sony... show me why I invested in my PS3... besides hi-def movie playback. KZ2 is the one game I know 360 couldn't even dare touch, with the kind of fidelity it has. Wish sony funded and pitched more help to more of it's developers. Im seeing so many first person shooters coming out on PS3 lately cause they are so desperately trying to dethrone the clut classic halo. They are flooding their own market with FPS's trying to hit the sweet spot that halo holds. KZ2 has a temendous budget behind it and the hype train pushing it... last thing sony needs is for it to derail while they funded the ride. Now off to watch 21 on bluray after some MGS4!

[SmokingMonkey]

the PS3 is a MONSTER CONSOLE

360 and PS3 can both do great graphics, the cell just helps put more things on screen with more AI and junk, 360 can't handle a game like LITTLEBIGPLANET but it can handle the graphics.

let MGS4 go multiplat, one of the greatest games ever so
1st party titles are what matter
KZ2 LBP R2

[jerethdagryphon]

but what exactly are bubbles?
and your right i dont get involed in console wars
i bought a 3 because i like new arcitecture on cpus hence i had one of the first 64bit opterons and duelcores

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

"but what exactly are bubbles?"

Bubbles are the system used wherein you can reply so many times in an article - no of posts if you like.

Up by your name and to the right hand side of your post you have a red circle and a green circle - both used for feedback and in the centre is the amount of bubbles in total that you have - you start with 5.

The darker bubbles are a guide to how many times you have posted on a single article before,thus so far you have posted 4 times on this one.

Look around N4G and the feedback and bubbles systems should be explained on some help part somewhere - perhaps in the 'full user menu'.

All the best

[rockleex]

"If" MGS4 was actually released on 360, it would STILL require installations. UNLESS Kojima significantly compresses all the audio and textures which he won't.

So you have to switch discs every now and then AND also install every now and then.

But most importantly... it won't happen since Kojima Productions developed MGS4 with ONLY the PS3 techs and specs in mind. FFXIII was developed on an engine that was made for multiplatform.

None of this matters anyways, because 360 fans will still believe MGS4 is coming to their console.

[Egzekutor]

"Metal Gear Solid 4 is currently a PlayStation 3 exclusive, but the recent announcement that Final Fantasy XIII is coming to the Xbox 360 has ignited rumours that it won't be long until MGS4 is also available for the PS3's rival platform. "

Good luck with that ;) You might see MGS 4 on XBOX..... but 720 ;)