Will Halo: Reach match the graphical quality of Killzone 2?

lociefer - 18 days 20 hours ago

uncharted ? u mean resistance 1, nothing can touch uncharted 1 , let alone kz2 and uc2

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GWAVE - 18 days 20 hours ago

Yeah.....the thing is that lots of journalists will probably give the graphics in Reach a 10/10 even if it doesn't manage to beat Uncharted 1, let alone Killzone 2, let alone Uncharted 2, let alone God of War 3, let alone Heavy Rain, let alone Gran Turismo 5.

They did the exact same thing for Halo 3 and ODST, even though the graphics in both games were incredibly outdated.

People will disagree, but the FACT is that the graphics in Halo 3 and ODST are not top of the line...heck, they're not even in the Top 10 of graphically-impressive games this gen. Halo 3 was even beaten by Resistance:FoM in terms of enemies and particles on screen at once.

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Murderdolls - 18 days 18 hours ago

You say nothing can touch Uncharted 1 then go on to list 2 games that surpass it visually? Lolwut?

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umair_s51 - 18 days 18 hours ago

NO

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Chubear - 18 days 18 hours ago

*falls off chair in roaring laughter* These sites and their hunger for cheap hits XD

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Saaking - 18 days 18 hours ago

Not even close.

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sikbeta - 18 days 18 hours ago

Who cares? I'm still playing the best games this gen, why I'm going to expect graphical quality from a game that I don't care lol

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mikeslemonade - 18 days 18 hours ago

Nope no chance. Resistance 1 looks better than Halo ODST.

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steck67 - 18 days 18 hours ago

I agree with GWAVE, when it comes to reviews, reviewers will give it a 10 even if it doesnt deserve it.

I bet you that IGN, who gave a 9.5 for graphics in Killzone 2 because "the flamethrowers texture was weird", will give Reach a 10 if not the same graphics score as Killzone 2? I have a feeling that is what will happen.

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Ghostsmoker - 18 days 18 hours ago

let's wait and see. They're working with a new engine, everything is possible. Killzone 2 has awesome graphics ... but Halo Reach could reach this level too if Bungie works well. But the should concentrate on the other mechanics too.

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mal_tez92 - 18 days 18 hours ago

There is no reason why it can't besides developer effort. I'm not sure but I think the 360 can produce KZ2 quality graphics (although it has failed to do so) if developers put in the effort. But really so far, no 360 game looks as good as Drake's Fortune. Gears of War 2 and Resident Evil 5 come close, but still aren't as good.

Whether this is due to technical limitations of the Xbox or lack of developer effort I'm not too sure, but I think the 360 still has room to grow. Whether it can match PS3 graphics is still unknown.

What I think will happen is that in a couple years a 360 games will look as good as Killzone 2, but by then the PS3 will have games that make Killzone 2 look dated.

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Chubear - 18 days 18 hours ago

I'd say, first working on trying to beat R2 or try to match R3 b4 you move onto something like Infamous. Don't go near graphical comparison to UC2 and certainly even thinking about beating KZ2's graphics should even come close to being in your thoughts on this one.

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colonel179 - 18 days 18 hours ago

that even if it matches Killzone 2 reviewers are going to grade it as if it was better than Uncharted 2. Killzone 2 graphics are awesome, but are old now, and new games are looking better (like uncharted 2, god of war 3, and future games by the time Halo Reach comes out).

We also would get to see tons of articles in N4G saying:
Halo Reach graphics better than Killzone 2, PS3 sucks.
Xbox360 capable of Killzone 2 graphics, does that mean that PS3 is lagging behind?

etc etc

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NewZealander - 18 days 18 hours ago

killzone 2 is so over rated! im sorry but its the most dull grey/brown un-origional game ive ever played.

this article is lame.

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cmrbe - 18 days 18 hours ago

if it dosen't then it will really prove once and for all that the x360 is in fact inferior.

The thing though is that by the time Reach matches KZ2 graphics will be dated on the PS3.

In the end what really matters is that you have enough talent in abundance to exploit your console. This is always something that Sony had over others. Exclusive talent. It dosent matter how powerful the console is if you don't have the talent to exploit it like what happend last gen. This gen however it obvious Sony now also has the hardware.

Honestly i will be surprise if Reach doesnt match KZ2. Alot is riding on Reach for MS and i am sure they have spent alot of resources on this project. In the end i really would like for them to do a huge non halo project for once.

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lowcarb - 18 days 17 hours ago

1st of all UC was on par with Gears1 graphically with both games having different areas that surpassed one another. 2nd gears2 surpassed UC1 which was then out done by KZ2 (not in all areas) and now UC2 (in all areas).

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ABizzel1 - 18 days 17 hours ago

Stop all the unnecessary hate. From the clips you can tell the weapons look a lot better, and that the game should be an overall improvement over Halo 3.

It just might be up there with the likes of Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 seeing that Bungie has probably been working on it since Halo 3 (since ODST was DLC forced to be a full game, and Bungie didn't make Halo Wars) so a 3 year development cycle should be enough to pull off some great graphics since they have the formula for gameplay and online down already.

Halo Reach may just set a new bar for graphics on the 360, but will it top the PS3? Unlikely sine the PS3 has multiple games with amazing graphics, but Halo Reach may be one of the 360 games to hang with the best of the best.

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Sitdown - 18 days 17 hours ago

Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing....the fact that you got disagrees shows the ignorance of some of the users of N4G. Logic is definitely not a requirement for membership.

Ohhh, and I could care less if it matches the "graphical quality" of Killzone 2.....as a matter of fact, it might be a good thing if it doesn't.

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HolyOrangeCows - 18 days 17 hours ago

Halo 3/ODST didn't even play in native 720p.

Unless this fabled "X-Engine" is real, I doubt that Reach will break any boundaries.

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sparta76 - 18 days 16 hours ago

What!?
Gears on par with uncharted Graphically...
I don't think so my friend...
Lmao

Edit; I hope so. M$ NEEDS to invest in good engine for the 360.
Best looking game on xbox is re5 and that's a mutiplatform game.

Edit; @ shadow co[k
how would u know? Last time I checked u need a ps3 to play uncharted..
@ss

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Darkstorn - 18 days 16 hours ago

Killzone 2 is on par with Uncharted 2 in my view. There's no way any 360 game can touch those masterpieces of graphical quality. MGS4 is a looker too.

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leila01 - 18 days 16 hours ago

It will be really difficult if they keep the same features Halo 3 has; like Split-screen for instance...

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Bathyj - 18 days 16 hours ago

"Ohhh, and I could care less if it matches the "graphical quality" of Killzone 2.....as a matter of fact, it might be a good thing if it doesn't."

Sounds like you guys are already practicing your surrender speech.

Reach is the Flaggiest Ship of your Flagship franchise. If it doesnt reach KZ2 levels then every Xboxer who mocked the PS3 should have the guts to say right here that XB is not as powerful as PS3.

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lowcarb - 18 days 16 hours ago

Are you kidding me? DO you seriously believe that UC1 is better looking all around then Gears 1? Please let me try some of that stuff your smoking.

edit above bathye: Reach should look pretty good but even if it doesn't match KZ2 it still doesn't mean the xbox isn't more powerful. At the end of this gen we will know what console put out the best visuals and as it stands right now ps3 has the upper hand but by a very little.

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badz149 - 18 days 16 hours ago

MW2 and then Reach, and then what? Viva Pinata 3 matching KZ2? pfft...stupid journalism these days!

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lowcarb - 18 days 16 hours ago

Those shots don't prove anything and only show someone took the worst possible shots they could find in Gears. Seeing gears in motion looks really good and UC in these shots are nothing to brag about.

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Sitdown - 18 days 15 hours ago

"Ohhh, and I could care less if it matches the "graphical quality" of Killzone 2.....as a matter of fact, it might be a good thing if it doesn't."

Sounds like you guys are already practicing your surrender speech.
_____________________________ ______________________________ _ ________

Or it could be the fact that if I wanted the "graphical quality" of KZ 2, I would just rent KZ 2 again and play it. Halo has its own graphical style, and I am fine with it..I don't need it to be another KZ2. Ohh, and just out of curiosity...what would I be surrendering from? Check my post history, I own an ps3...and play it just as much as my 360. Now I know Sony slaves might not comprehend this, but I have no allegiance to a particular system, I enjoy them all......*gasp* Yeah, I know its hard for you to imagine some gamers not caught up in the console war, and just enjoy games no matter what hardware its on.

Ohh, and besides...we all know its about graphics right? I bet KZ2 has just as many dedicated gamers still playing it as Halo 3 has right? Please entertain us...why isn't the "graphical quality" of KZ 2 keeping gamers like Halo 3? Ohhh, and please don't say because the 360 has no other games...cause we know that is not true.

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Xbox Avatars Shoe - 18 days 15 hours ago

I LOL'd

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Sarcasm - 18 days 15 hours ago

Why is it that every possible unreleased 360 exclusives that nobody has really seen or know about is going to be the next "OMG PS3 Excluisve graphics KILLLLERR!!!"

ODST, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, and now Halo Reach. Those games will look good ON THE 360, but give it up. The PS3 has title after title released that the 360 will never be able to do.

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mikeslemonade - 18 days 14 hours ago

Hey you xbox zealots GTFO! Uncharted 1 destroys Gears 1 graphics and beats Gears 2 graphics. Nothing on xbox 360 has better graphics than Uncharted 1:Drakes Fortune which came out in 2007. Sorry, dudes go buy a PS3 if you want graphics. Some people need to have better eyes for things. The color differentiation between levels alone destroy Gears. If all games were grey and brown all games would look as good as Gears 1.

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sparta76 - 18 days 13 hours ago

You some of what I'm smoking?
Sure here have some is called reality!!!
Dude come on! Uncharted looks better then gears 2. And like they said above uncharted came out in2007.
I know u love the 360, and it hurts is ok buddy...

@ jokes, what did you say!? Can't hear u, u only have one bubble( thank god)

I don't care what this game looks like, I just hope is good!
Haven't heard much about reach. PLEASE let it be better then halo 3

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JonnyBadfinger - 18 days 13 hours ago

i guess it never hurts to have high hopes.... but those hopes will lead many to disappointment. I see the Halo HYPE has kicked off early this time.

Normally all the hype starts with about 6 months till launch when more is known about the game but 11 MONTHS!! REALLY!?!?

People need to sit down and wait and see.

Im not expecting it to match Killzone 2 or Uncharted 1or2 graphically, but the game overall will definitely be better than Killzone2

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Sitdown - 18 days 12 hours ago

match the "graphical quality" of KZ 2...who actually believes ps3 fans would actually admit it? I personally think we are getting to the point where it is more about graphical art style, and because of preference...one will always say that their preferred game is better graphic wise. I mean we already see that based on those who prefer GOW 3 graphics over UC2 and vice versa; none of the games are slouches, and all deserved to be praised on their own merit. Keep the great games coming...

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WonderboyIII - 18 days 12 hours ago

The simple answer is we will wait and see. However from those screen that could be real or fake, it doesnt seem like that is possible. There 2 sentences that are on topic and are free of fanboyism, unlike the nearly every post before me that is purely an xbox bashing 0rgy.

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Budg3tG4m3r - 18 days 11 hours ago

Wasn't it once said that Killzone 2 graphics couldn't be done on a 360 but yet here it is Halo Reach still in development and it looks as good. The screen shots are even off screen and it still looks good. I'm going to be broke again next year.

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mastiffchild - 18 days 9 hours ago

@lowcarb-mate you need your eyes checking if you think EITHER Gears games can hold a candle to even the first Uncharted. Let alone Gears2 being better than Killzone2 gfx in some areas-honestly I can't believe I read that and I love me some Gears as well. Don't even mention U2(it doesn't even deserve the taint of being in the comparison even if it wins, as it does, hands down).

As for Reach-we'll see what it can do but I've not felt a Bungie game was EVER that amazing graphically since, maybe, some parts of Halo2 which were, for their time, excellent but not even groundbreaking back then. People are asking for one hell of a step up in loomks here, remember that, and don't hang them if they can't quite pull it off-they were never all about the pretty anyway. Personally I'm just hoping it plays a bit differently as I think I've gobe as far as "classic" Halo gameplay is taking me-I'm getting a little tired of the same thing rehashed in that respect and don't ven play the H3 multiplayer much anymore.

So, hoping for something truly different this time round-though I'm also probably in a VASTLY over shadowed minority among Halo players there.

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Karum - 18 days 5 hours ago

He means nothing on the 360 can touch UC1, not anything on the PS3.

Comprehension is not your strong suit it would seem.

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O2_Addict - 18 days 5 hours ago

Uncharted 2 is a huge leap over Uncharted 1 but even Uncharted 1 is far better, from a purely visual/technical standpoint, than any game on the 360.

Killzone 2 is a too much to ask.

Enormous amount of polygons.
Smoke reacts realistically to wind and rotor blades of aircraft!
When things explode, glowing (light casting) hot embers bounce around realistically.
Massive alpha effects filling the screen.
Huge amounts of physics driven volumetric smoke. Repeat: Physics driven volumetric smoke.
Huge number of real-time light sources.
Point specific hit response animations.
Superb AI.
Complex shaders everywhere.
Real-time god-rays.
Real-time object damage physics (walls, pillars)
The highest quality motion blur on consoles
Sound reproduction is easily the best on consoles
and on and on and on ....

Uncharted 2 is definitely a bit prettier, but in terms of all the background calculations and all the dynamic effects like particle physics and hit response, Killzone 2 is still tops.

Killzone 2 vs Gears 2
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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O2_Addict - 18 days 2 hours ago

from a technical standpoint. Polygons, textures, etc...

Digital Foundry said that Insomniac deserves a lot more credit than they get. Here's the link.

http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

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etownone - 18 days 2 hours ago

I keep reading comments about Uncharted one, as if it had the best graphics at the time.

If so, then how come games like Modern Warfare and Bioshock looked better and rated higher for graphics at the time?

Where are the best graphics awards for Uncharted?

How come respectable sites like IGN score it a 9.0 for graphics while Gears 1 and Modern Warfare scored a 10.

c'mon now you silly sony kids, cut this crap out already..... just cause you keep repeating something over and over again again, still doesn't make it true.

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Greywulf - 18 days 1 hour ago

Do you want to lie to me right now and tell me you think that Gears of war, on the UNREAL ENGINE, has better graphics than Uncharted?Same with COD4? And do you honestly think BIOSHOCK\GEARS looks better than KILLZONE2? OR Uncharted2?

Lie to me etown, I wanna see how deep delusion goes. I could care less what some fat kid at IGN says that accepts $800 dollar Halo Swag bags to review a game.

I wanna see YOU try to compare Uncharted to Gears graphically, and by the way.. there are a ton of links that already do it.The unreal engine is a joke when it comes to boasting visuals. All you can do is bring up a number, well I can bring video.

Uncharted1 has the best graphics of console games -at is time- only surpassed by Killzone2.I can prove this as a fact by askign you to find your best Gears screenshots, and your best cod4 screenshots, then comparing them.I know you wont, but it will be fun to watch none the less.

Its like you guys just ball up on the floor rocking back and forth saying "its not true its not true.. gears is graphics king!!!" Its no shock you guys are amazed by bloom.

So Etown,

Do you personally think that COD4/Gears has better graphics than Uncharted1? I wanna see this for myself.

http://kineticninja.blogspo...

I wanna see you say that link is a lie lol. I really do.

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DaTruth - 18 days ago

On top of that their are graphical specs including polycounts and use of hi-res textures and transparencies that says Uncharted 1 tops Gears 2. Not to mention the infamous Gears 2, 2 Dimensional fire. Uncharted even makes fun of gears with their next gen filter, that turns the game all grey and brown.

These articles don't make sense; 360 fanboys will say it does whether it does or not. Even rational 360 owners are unlikely to admit the clear and blatant fact.

Are you guys gonna tell me that in four years, no dev ever decided to make a graphically top notch game, with your; "nobody has tried, but if they did they probably could".

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Bits-N-Kibbles - 17 days 23 hours ago

damn are they milking this franchise... Didn't they just have like 2 different ones come out this year?

redonkulous

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CLANCY BROWN - 17 days 22 hours ago

uncharted 1 was not that great looking at all- cartoony as all hell.Lair was a better looking game in my opinion(better game as well and it sucked pretty good too) KZ2 is kinda cartoony too- as a matter of fact all ps3 games look kinda cartoony. I guess the ps3 is for kids.

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jav0918 - 17 days 22 hours ago

Compare a game still in Alpha stages to a game that has been complete! That's N4G for ya.

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WenisWagon - 18 days 15 hours ago

It will SURPASS the graphics of flopzone 2. But since graphics don't make a game, it really matters about gameplay. And again, it will surpass flopzone 2, along with ANY flopstation 3 game... FACT.

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DonCorneo - 18 days 18 hours ago

and failo will still be sub-HD

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chrisulloa - 18 days 18 hours ago

LOL it will, but even if it didn't it'd still be a thousand times better than that generic shooter KZ2.

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Chubear - 18 days 18 hours ago

Halo reach should really work on trying to matching Resistance3 before they talk about beating Infamous graphics..b4 the think of UC2's graphics but to go straight for KZ2 is a sure fire way to get you're arse whooped...hard.

PS3 exclusives are trying to get to KZ2's bench mark in graphics. To think a 360 in-house exclusive would even hope to try to match that is lala land thoughts.

What the hell as the 360 shown to make anyone think it is even remotely possible?

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talltony - 18 days 17 hours ago

First of all I can almost guarrantee that it won't look anywhere near the graphical fidelity of killzone 2. And 2 how can you think killzone 2 is generic while a story about a power ranger shooting aliens isn't? Cry moar?

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Upbeat - 18 days 15 hours ago

how many fu*king articles and reports and all that sh*te must people write and talk about until the fu*king realise that the 360 HASNT GOT the power to run a game any where near killzone 2 ffs, its basic common sense if u know what your talking about, dont get me wrong they are both good systems, and halo is an epic game, but halo on xbox will nvr match the best of the ps3 exclusives grapicaly, and that fact, and if any1 knows the components of either system they will agree.

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RedDragan - 18 days 4 hours ago

KZ2 is anything but a generic shooter. For a start there was sixaxis control that was needed to actually complete tasks.

Secondly, the graphic fidelity of KZ2 is still relatively unmatched in any game, and that includes UC2, and this is the fluidity of the movement of all characters.

Seeing the Helghast run and slide behind a barrier was simply mind blowing, and the clarity of the suit moving to the shape of the body while doing so was a game coding masterpiece.

There is nothing on 360 that delivers as much action on screen as KZ2, yet alone gets anywhere near the graphical level of KZ2. In fact, I thoroughly believe the 360 is incapable of such a feat without burning out the internal hardware while trying to achieve it.

Halo is for kids, hence the crayon colours. KZ2 is for adults, and that is why it is grey... it is a warzone. If you want to know what a warzone looks like then go check out the photo's from the Israel and Palestine fights, they are all grey! It is supposed to be war, not a cartoon lol!

Realism beats colourful fantasy anyday!

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54percent - 17 days 23 hours ago

GIMMIEEE HALO : ROACHHHH!!!111 iz the only thing for bots to play

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54percent - 17 days 23 hours ago

of course it will... Halo : Roach will match KZ2 with 420p and 15 fps and a plutonium battery and.... wait... that's not right

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Murderdolls - 18 days 18 hours ago

Halo ran at a 640p resolution on the xbox? Because from what I understand native resolution on it was 480p.

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ambientFLIER - 18 days 16 hours ago

First of all, it's 640p. Second, Halo 3 was the first Halo game to run above 480p.

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Chubear - 18 days 18 hours ago

O.O... rotflmao!! even YOU don't even believe your own BS lol

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DK_Kithuni_71 - 18 days 18 hours ago

They and the other PS3 exclusive game companies will laught so hard it will make them tear up ;-)

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 18 days 18 hours ago

Bungie and Naughty Dog are friends, guys.

They both respect eachothers' work.

I'm not a big Halo fan, but Bungie helped Naughty Dog figure out some ideas for the multi-player portion of Uncharted 2.

I respect Bungie. I do. I just wish they would move on to another series. They have talent.

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Upbeat - 18 days 14 hours ago

aye ud like that wouldnt u, pitty they owned by sony son :D

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callahan09 - 18 days 19 hours ago

You do realize this article is about "graphical quality" right?

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Chubear - 18 days 18 hours ago

Halo3 beat KZ2 in sale alone. Anything else, KZ2 massacred halo.

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thereapersson - 18 days 16 hours ago

Just ignore OWNED

How a fanboy of that caliber is in the open zone is beyond me. I have a feeling that him and GR8 1 are the same person.

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knowledge4lfe - 18 days 13 hours ago

youre joking right?? bioshock on the same level graphically as KZ2 and UC2??? you either need some glasses or a new tv.

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aliens - 18 days 18 hours ago

The gameplay of Killzone 2 s*cks really hard. It's too realistic, and it's not fun to play.

Sure, it has great graphics. But who cares about great graphics when the game is not fun to play. That's like forcing yourself to play a game that is boring just because of the graphics, and I won't do that.

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Deadman64 - 18 days 18 hours ago

but but but killzone 2 looks so good to look at!! I'm a sony fanboy I dont care if its boring and peoples stopped playing after a month!! and if i get bored of killzone 2 i can just watch the pretty MGS movie that was exclusive!! and then after i watch that i can go on N4G and complain about halo being successful!

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 18 days 18 hours ago

You do realize KZ2 has the largest online PS3 fanbase, right?

Millions of people play on the KZ2 servers...me being one of them.

KZ2 is freakin' AWESOME online!

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weazel - 18 days 13 hours ago

Please Microsoft, DON'T waste your time and resources trying to make a innovative, challenging new I.P just to have a mature themes, realistically oppressive atmospheres, and nerve-shredding gameplay with replay value where a community likes to refine skills and rely on self initiative like in KillZone 2....but this is MS and Bungie, i know they won't make that mistake just looking at the gameplay and sales of the Halo series... *fixed*

(love man of the year, skeletonss,MetalGearRising, and aliens...your biggest asshat fans)

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Man_of_the_year - 18 days 4 hours ago

"You do realize KZ2 has the largest online PS3 fanbase, right?"

- You're head must be really high up your own a$$ if you believe that.

Killzone 2 has sold around 2.2 million worldwide...

Call of duty 4 sold around 4.72 world wide on the PS3
Call of duty:world at way sold around 3.64 million world wide on the PS3.

Killzone 2 IS NOT played by millions online and is NOT the largest online fanbase.

I still have no idea how it is that PS3 Fanboys make up lies so much and present it like its truth. Just so full of ignorance. Thank god i am not a PS3 fanboy.

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xcox - 17 days 23 hours ago

a cute and polite way to say:

killzone 2 makes halo 3 look like a PS2 game

I'm in a good mood today so I'll concede that it is possible that halo: reach might show some graphics approaching the likes of God of War or even close to God of War 2 (might be over-reaching a bit here)

amazing!

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Theoneneo81 - 18 days 16 hours ago

MGR just stop typing BS please.

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knowledge4lfe - 18 days 13 hours ago

i just wanted to apologize to any sane person that read metalgearrisings comments. im sorry that you all had to waste that time reading his comments when you could've been playing a real hd console, with reliable hardware. real exclusives. engines built from the ground up for the ps3. with free online.

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AverageBOT - 18 days 1 hour ago

The only way Bungie could get a game to run at 60fps is if its in 480i and upscaled to 480p, even then the graphics would only be as good as Resistance 2.

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LeonSKennedy4Life - 18 days 18 hours ago

I just wish Bungie would take the series a little more seriously. The "flood" look like gummy bears! I don't want to shoot gummy bears!

Have me shooting things that look like they could kill me!!!

I like Halo...and I love Bungie. I just think they need to take a different direction with the series or make a new IP.

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