Sony could clean up with backwards compatibility

The Matrix - 322 days 21 hours ago

I would play my PS3 again if they enable backwards capability. Otherwise, I'm loving the 360 exclusives and better multiplatform versions of games.

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ultimolu - 322 days 21 hours ago

I think so too. That would be a great idea.

Though I hope my 60gb BC doesn't crap out on me. :[

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Action Bastard - 322 days 20 hours ago

Dude really is in some sort of delusional Matrix if he even remotely believes that statement. Check the date on your clock...it's not 07.

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GWAVE - 322 days 20 hours ago

I don't see why it would help them. It didn't make the PS3 sales skyrocket when it DID have b/c, so why would implementing it again suddenly alter sales?

This article smells heavily of complaining fanboys. Fanboy complaints do not equal the general public's complaints.

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Dread - 322 days 20 hours ago

well i do not know about you guys but i am not buying a playstation 3 without backwards c... i have over 300 playstaiton2 games and i am not goin to keep the playstation 2 next to the playstation 3 and 360 in my game room connected at the same time.

So perhaps u people, who think Sony cant do not wrong, do not see the importance of bc, but trust me there are many poeple like me who are still waiting for bc (o and a price cut)

i am not hating on Sony. So back of sackboys (u know who u are) i simply believe that bc is important.
peace

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Action Bastard - 322 days 20 hours ago

I'm not trying to downplay your legitimate "want" of BC, but you're not in a situation where you can't play your PS2 games. Your refusal to play them on a PS2 is the problem. I want The Warriors to be BC on my 360, but since it isn't guess what I do?

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rhood022 - 322 days 19 hours ago

I think it's appropriate that poster 1.1 is called "The Matrix"--what with the living in a fantasy world and all.

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Dread - 322 days 19 hours ago

At action bastard

first Ms never promised to have full bc.

second this has nothing to do with 360.

i am simply stating that there a probably many other gamers like me who are willing to wait for bc. Which means that Sony is not making as many sales as they could in part because of this issue.

but at the end if u guys need to defend sony always then keep your non bc $400 console.

o and the problem is not my refusal to play them , it is sony's greed. they are simply milking the playstation 2 still. I can't say i blame them but they will not get my money until they add bc (and price cut)

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superaktieboy - 322 days 18 hours ago

don't worry if it busts out on you.. im in uk and my launch 60GB crapped out on me, got it replaced for free with another 60GB eventho im outside the warranty lol .. i aint complaining :)

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caliman87 - 322 days 17 hours ago

The hardware one that was in in the ealier models which I own a 60gb one did not do BC for all playstation games well. Some still looked better on the PS2-ps1 games like Resident Evil. God of War 1 and 2 and Robotech looked good though. They may be able to do it with a firmware update for the older games. Hopefully, allowing more titles to be playable on the PS3.

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gaminoz - 322 days 10 hours ago

@ OP
You cynic! I agree with you! I'm so pissed they took it out of my 40 gig PS3.... I like backwards compatibility.

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pain777pas - 322 days 6 hours ago

The PS2 won't stop selling that's why their is no BC its simple and unbelievable at the same time. seriously were two or three into the next gen and its still selling. Impressive to say the least but sad for those who don't have a BC PS3.

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thereapersson - 322 days 23 hours ago

You really have no life if you create an account just to do this sort of thing.

What a pathetic individual you are! are! are! (see what I did there?)

Dumbass...

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dabizo - 322 days 23 hours ago

mmmmm and the new era of the baby gamerss has obviously arrived...the mine is better than yours because I have one?? its depressing

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CBaoth - 322 days 23 hours ago

I know I'm in the minority, but all Sony needs to do is put both PS1($5.99) and PS2($9.99) games on the PSN - like MS does w/ XB1 titles. Just give me the opportunity to to play them legally on my PS3 via the HDD and the PSP via a memory stick. It'd be nice if PS1/PS2 titles were re-coded for HD resolutions and widescreen support, but not necessary.

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Gorgon - 322 days 21 hours ago

" I would rather they take some really great games like god of war, devil may cry, some atlus rpgs like nocturne and make them higher res and wide screen"

Those games are from third parties (except God of War), not Sony. Sony can only put them on PSN IF the original publishers want them to.

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nos4speed - 322 days 22 hours ago

Yeah you cant win with stuff like this, I was perfectly happy paying the full price when it came out as IMO its worth every penny, even if the only only thing i use backwards compatibility for is Shadow of the colossus =D

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Death - 322 days 20 hours ago

Nobody asked Sony to remove backwards compatabilty. After 6 months of being gone from retail, the b/c 80 gig sold out almost instantly when it was released around the time MGS came out. The demand is there, Sony simply wanted to prolong PS2 sales which make a profit.

-Death

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mint royale - 322 days 20 hours ago

Sony needed to save on costs and cutting BC achieved 2 things - a cheaper ps3 and a longer life of the profitable to sell ps2. WIN for sony. LOSE if you wanted to play ps2 games without having to have 2 consoles set up. I belive it was Jack Tretton who claimed a year before BC was removed that BC was actually a core part of the playstation model that gives the complete experience to players. Its easy to tell that Sony did not have a long term plan to rid BC but instead they simply couldn't afford to include it as they expected the ps3 to sell at its launch price which it did not.

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Kain81 - 322 days 22 hours ago

cause there are more than 2000 games on PS2 and its difficult to run all of them on ps3. If you had the PS2 chips than you could play them all, but a Firmware Update cant do that so some games would have some issues, like framedrops or other things.

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doomster71 - 322 days 22 hours ago

if sony want to sell ps2 games on psn (they'd be daft not to) then they will need a ps2 emulator for the ps3 (just like the ps1 emulator for the ps3). They can't be making much off games for the ps2 anymore (just the hardware). There is only 19 games listed here for coming out this year. http://www.vgreleases.com/p...

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Ju - 322 days 12 hours ago

PSN... yes, I think this is the main idea, why PS2 emu makes sense.

Its not that a SW emu can't run PS2 games. The challenge with the SW emu is, that you actually re-implement the PS2 HW in SW. Now, you can't just take the old HW chip doc and implement that in SW (I mean, well, a chip level simulator could do that, probably - reading VHDL code and create a virtual chip - hey, I should patent that idea; won't be fast enough, though), but you need to redesign the new "virtual" chip from scratch. Even if you could emulate on the chip level, it does not take into account, that manufacturing could possibly introduce bugs into the physical chip, which design didn't even foresee - but SW later added work-arounds to make it work properly. You'd have to emulate these bugs, too.

Currently, there is no easy verification process, which could guarantee, that a SW emulated piece of HW runs 100% accurate to what the chip was/is doing. The only way you can achieve this, is to take every single code which runs on that chip, and run it thru your "virtual" implementation. And then, you need to execute every portion of that code (sometimes, code gets executed very rarely, or not at all). A lot of trial and error.

Now, in case of a game, that means, you need to run every single game thru that emulator. And you need to make sure, you run thru every possible scenario within that game. This can take forever. Mostly, you can never guarantee 100% bug free emulation. Some bugs are found later, when about a couple of thousand people get their hands on (and thus, execute so many test cases, even the biggest test department couldn't handle).

Putting a physical chip in there, simply removes this verification. It is guaranteed to work. That's also, why MS has a "white list" of games they can emulate.

For PS2 emu, it seams, the EE is well documented, and fairly easy to emulate (see PS3s without EE which reach close to 90% compatibility), but doing the same for the GS might be a bit more tricky.

We've all seen the videos showing the 40GB PS3 (without EE nor GS) running the PS2 F1GP. So, I am sure there is some sort of emu available. If somebody is working on that, sooner or later it'll be available thru a firmware update, I am sure. But I also think, this is neither a promise nor a high priority for Sony. Not as long as they haven't worked out any details for PS2 games on PSN and the PS2 sells well.

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y0haN - 322 days 22 hours ago

If your PC was made in the last 5 years, get a PS2 emulator for your PC and PS2 to USB converter and put your PS2 disc in the drive and play away.

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EnViAbLe27 - 322 days 21 hours ago

Good for you, but if it was that big of a deal for you and you really wanted one then you would of known that you can get a 60g off of Ebay or amazon

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Godmars290 - 322 days 18 hours ago

There are 120+ million PS2 owners. If BC only meant that 1/4 of them would automatically jump to the PS3, that 30 million.

It would also, if Sony had thought of this, given tons of small 3rd party devs a cheap backdoor into the PS3 market with PS2 games.

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cindythemilf - 322 days 20 hours ago

Sony could clean up with bc?

then why did they remove it from the ps3?

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