The Last Guardian's sales: Destined for Mediocrity

UNCyrus - 80 days 8 hours ago

One point I forgot to make in the article. Is that those first two games only had those sales on the PS2 which had a MUCH LARGER install base than the PS3 currently has. Trust me, I'd love to see The Last Guardian sell 2-3 million, I just don't see it happening right now in the current climate. But for sure it'll break 1 million this time around

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thereapersson - 80 days 7 hours ago

Wii Sports & Wii Play are the best games ever made!

/sarcasm

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iamtehpwn - 80 days 7 hours ago

PS3 gamers strongly support the console and it's game, and always buy the high quality exclusive games. If even inFamous can be a new IP on PS3 and break 1 million, than The Last Guardian will probably break 1-2 million as well.

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30sec - 80 days 7 hours ago

The audience this game is geared towards will buy it. But Team Ico isn't Bungie, so all their games can do is move the medium forward as a storytelling art-form.

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DamonTheMoney - 80 days 7 hours ago

Remember people, sales don't matter to us. They're only important for the company to make their money, and everybody here seems to think that if a game doesn't sell 1 million then it isn't a success and didn't turnover any money.

As long as this game has quality written all over it (and we know it does) then I couldn't care less how many people buy it. I could be the ONLY person in the world to spend my money on it for all I care.

A lot of you need to take the same stance on this, and stop worrying about things that don't affect you.

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Redempteur - 80 days 7 hours ago

The difference this time is that the media actually care about this game .

all it needs is attention ( done at E3 ) and some ads correctly placed ..

maybe a demo too , but that would be difficult ...

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Kevin ButIer - 80 days 7 hours ago

Its going to be a great classic and It will sell at least 2 M or more. Since when sales only matter the first two weeks or month of release?

Long Live to The Last Guardian

Lol im Pirate Patcher

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Cheeseknight28 - 80 days 7 hours ago

Use your brain and humor me for just a moment. How exactly do you expect Team Ico to keep making games if they don't sell? If this doesn't sell around a million copies, they can't make another game. It does matter to you if you are the only one to buy the game, because if you don't help a game sell you'll never see a sequel.

I just don't understand how people can't see this. Why do you think there isn't a true Okami sequel?

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happy_gilmore - 80 days 7 hours ago

ico flopped big time. but shadow of colossus was still made.

this is sony we are talking about. no EA or Ubisoft. Sony cares about their fans. sony is pushing to make videogames more mature as an art form unlike ms churning out halo and gears for tweeners. that's why we have heavy rain, flower and stuff like this.

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zlatko - 80 days 7 hours ago

I heard an inside rumor that this games power level... it's OVER 9000!!!!!! :D

I'll be buying it day one. ;)

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DamonTheMoney - 80 days 7 hours ago

Clearly you've never heard of the term "hyperbole". Obviously I'm not going to be the only person who buys the game, and Team Ico will undoubtedly make enough money to be successful (around 500,000 - 700,000 is considered commercially "successful", in case you didn't know). And there's no set number of sales to warrant a sequel, ESPECIALLY with SCE's games.

happy_gilmore said the rest.

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Traveler - 80 days 7 hours ago

It's too bad that some great games don't get the retail success that they deserve. Okami, Beyond Good & Evil and Shadow of The Colossus spring to mind. It's sad, because despite what some people say sales do matter. Developers need to feed their families and beyond even that I also feel that if a developer puts in the talent and hard work to create a great game they deserve to be rewarded accordingly, not just barely make a living.

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morganfell - 80 days 6 hours ago

The Power Review...already has fulfilled it's destiny of mediocrity...

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NewZealander - 80 days 6 hours ago

i want to know more about the game, but so far its the only exclusive on ps3 im interested in for 2010, so i hope its good.

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CrazzyMan - 80 days 6 hours ago

Just like Valkyria Chronicles or Demon`s Soul, or Uncharted 2.

Bt the reality is that we live in world, where casual games have more appeal, than hardcore games or games, which we could consider as piece of art, like Ico or SotC.

Anyway, both VC and DS are on the way to 1M, so will and The Last Guardian sell over 1M, i`m pretty sure about that.

Anyway, this game is a MUST BUY. That`s all what should matter to a real GAMER.
http://www.gamersyde.com/st... - JUST WATCH THIS!

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Rampant - 80 days 6 hours ago

"The game will be rated much higher...."

Ico: 90
SOTC: 91

Halo 3: 94
COD4: 94

yeah...... about that..

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gaffyh - 80 days 6 hours ago

@Rampant - Yet despite that, ICO and Sotc are two of the best games ever made, and Halo 3 and COD4 are two of the most overhyped games ever made. Guess how I know that, because I played all 4 of these games myself, and didn't look at the Metascore at random.

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CWMR - 80 days 6 hours ago

-Says who? It's subjective. Even if a bunch of reviewers thinks so, it's still subjective. For example, there are lots of times where the stuffy movie critics think a movie is great that I think just sucks, and movies that they criticize that I think are some of the best movies I have ever seen.

Edit: Halo 3 and MW2 are awesome games. Do you think I care that you don't like them? Like I said, it's subjective.-

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gaffyh - 80 days 6 hours ago

@above - Do you think I care what you think? A random fanboy isn't going to change the minds of the 2.5 million Ico and SOTC owners that KNOW that these are two of the best games they've EVER played.

Argue all you want, COD4 and Halo 3 are extremely low on the list of best games ever. :)

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Monolith - 80 days 6 hours ago

^^^^^exactly gaffyh, and rampant stfu, maybe you should play those games then maybe you would actually undertand why theyre so masterfull. I dont care for this article because ill be contributing to the sales for this game as i did for the other 2, and im glad i did, money well spent. people seriously need to open their eyes and smell the sh1t theyre eating cause theyre ruining gaming and ill be damned if i can only play mediocre fps, and one more thing just got Demon Souls for Christmas, AMAZINGG game and people werent kidding on how hard that game is, all i can say is DAMN!

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Raf1k1 - 80 days 5 hours ago

It would be great to see some advertising for this game around it's launch but I doubt we will.

I think we owe it to Team Ico to do what we can through word of mouth (I know I'll be telling people who come through my checkout about it). They've given us some of the most amazing games ever created and deserve massive sales.

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OmarJA-N4G - 80 days 5 hours ago

Who gives a rat ass about sales? it'll be another GOTY like U2 & DS.

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GrandTheftStreetcar - 80 days 5 hours ago

As long as it sells two copies (divideby0's below and mine), I'm happy. But for Team Ico's sake, and gamers' who like quality games, I hope they sell millions.

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badz149 - 80 days 4 hours ago

and what makes it worst is the fact that it's about sales!(again!) if we are really gamers, why should we care so much about game sales? shouldn't we be more about the quality of the game? TLG is a game made buy the highly acclaimed ICO and SoTC devs! they have huge credibility on their name alone and to think that TLG is going to be amazing is just natural! I'm also hoping that the game I like will sell a gazillion copies but to argue about sales month before the game release like this game, which we don't even have the release date yet for god sake, is beyond STUPID! talking about anticipation, or what we want it to be is ok but sales?? what are you guys? investor?

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sikbeta - 80 days 3 hours ago

Fumito Ueda Games are Masterpieces despite the sales

Who in his right mind will care about sales when is already known:

QUALITY > everything

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rezenu - 80 days ago

Oh dear, heaven forbid a game doesn't sell five million in one day. It's deemed a flop already.

I'm, sorry abut games for the PS3 are even spread out so sales are evenly spread out as well. Everyone has different tastes. Some games aren't for everyone.

Again, sales doesn't equal quality.

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Jaces - 79 days 23 hours ago

What no guns?!

Meh, no buy for me. /s

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baum - 79 days 23 hours ago

The argument of "PS2 had a bigger install base" is retarded. If install base was the only thing that mattered, shouldn't 3rd parties be supporting the Wii in droves instead of next-gen consoles? Their games have flopped on the Wii, which is why 360 and PS3 are their bread and butter. Many non-FPS games have sold better on PS3 than 360 despite 360s headstart. So no, install base does not correspond directly to game sales.

PS2 was one of the most pirated consoles in history, if not the most, which hit its game sales. Also, PS2 was owned by dozens of millions of casuals, making it irrelevant for hardcore games like ICO if the PS2 sold 100 million more or not. These games have a market, and just like MGS4 and FFXIII have sold pretty well, Last Guardian will sell as much as ICO and SOTC did.

I love it when somebody says "OMG GOW2 ONLY SOLD 2.5 MILLION ON 150 MILLION INSTALL BASE THEREFORE GOW3 WILL ONLY SELL HALF A MILLION AT BEST!!!11111111". It just confirms how mentally handicapped the fanboys of a particular business are (I'll let you guess the names), which only validates the decision NOT to sign-up for the competing service. What, to game against retards and listen to their pre-pubescent tweenager voices? No thanks.

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"HALO 3 AND CODMW2 SCORED BETTER THEREFORE THEIR BETTER" I had to LMFAO at this retarded argument. Seriously, Halo 3 and CODMW2 = $$$$$$, the companies that make those games couldn't afford to get bad ratings because the people that buys those games rely too much on review scores (Which is why you see them screaming in multiple threads AAA!!!!!!11 AAAa111111111!!!!!!! OMG ITS AAAaaaa111111111) rather than buying the games based on their actual content. Games like Last Guardian, Indigo Prophecy, Heavy Rain, ICO, Demon's Soul, Odin's Sphere, etc... are usually bought by well informed gamers (and those that rely on word of mouth), which is why they sell slow, have long legs, and have a niche yet hardcore fanbase. Its userbase doesn't rely on a game being "AAA" which is why you see more honesty in these reviews, both from those that praise the games and those that plain don't get them (i.e. EDGE).

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Rampant - 79 days 19 hours ago

I played all of them except COD and I would rate them:

Ico: 9
SOTC: 9.5
Halo 3: 10

See how that subjective opinion thing works now ;)

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mikeslemonade - 79 days 14 hours ago

That's BS because this generation there's more generous reviewers who hand out 10s to every game.

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zoks310 - 79 days 14 hours ago

This game will be as epic as the Titanic or the Dark Knight movies, and it will only be on the PS3, you know the consoles that houses the best games of this gen outside of sales.

Sales did not earn Sony exclusives VGA's GOTY awards 2 years in a row, it was the quality and the labor of love that Sony devs put in the games.
A Sony exclusive will win GOTY in 2010 again mark my words. If you want to experience "next gen" you get a PS3 and invest in its exclusive titles, if you want to sit and count monies/profit/sales, then go apply for a job as a tax collector and stay out of gaming.

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edhe - 79 days 11 hours ago

Dreamcast was a good console with great games, didn't sell well, got canned.

There's a lesson to this.

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chrisulloa - 80 days 7 hours ago

Uncharted 2 hasn't even sold that much, what makes you think this will?

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nycredude - 80 days 7 hours ago

Uncharted 2 HAS sold 2 million. FYI.

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3sq - 80 days 7 hours ago

Uncharted 2 has sold 2.3 millions.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gam...

"what makes you think this will?" Say what? LOL

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Major_Tom - 80 days 7 hours ago

Always, ALWAYS on the ball.

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chrisulloa - 80 days 2 hours ago

LOL, I haven't looked on that list in a while. Took them long enough. It was probably that christmas / black friday boost.

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baum - 79 days 23 hours ago

That's the point, isn't it? Ulloa getting owned left and right, as usual.

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Obama - 80 days 8 hours ago

I agree. When SOC first came out the sales weren't that good. Nonethelss it's one of the best games ever made in human history. The presentation alone still looks a lot better than a lot of current gen games.

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MrJackOfAllTrades - 80 days 7 hours ago

yeah sales don't mean a games good but i would like to see a good game get the sales it deserves. it is sad how narrow minded most gamers are that is why there are no sequels to amazing games like jetset radio, shenmue, okami, heavenly sword and others.

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blind-reaper - 79 days 13 hours ago

love the random disagrees I see here...

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Timesplitter14 - 80 days 2 hours ago

Not really. As a big fan of Team ICO, I think I can agree with the article. These games never sell so much.

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UNCyrus - 80 days 1 hour ago

I love how all of the users of N4G read the articles before commenting...

/sarcasm

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FiftyFourPointTwo - 80 days 7 hours ago

You forgot to add Flopza 3 - 35 million install base and didn't even reach 1 million sales.

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3sq - 80 days 7 hours ago

Well, 360 has more install base than PS3 but Flopza 3 of yours hasn't even reach 2 mill. That says a lot.

The 360 no real exclusives.. only xbots blindly think they have ;)

Edit: Flopza still not 2 mill. I love how bots use the word "around 2 mill" LOL

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Kamikaze135 - 80 days 7 hours ago

You guys miss out on so many games because it doesn't meet the 3m sale mark =X

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knightdarkbox - 80 days 7 hours ago

the forza 3 sell around 2.0 m.. check the google for see the numbers

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Anorexorcist - 80 days 7 hours ago

A pathetic troll wearing a badge of mediocrity (Nice Halo ODST Avatar) is always one of the first, if not THE first to come in here with disguised jealousy and mediocre grammar skills;

"the forza 3 sell around 2.0 m.. check the google for see the numbers"

Well you're a big boy. Why don't you provide us with the link to the forza 3 sales from the google for we can see the numbers? Back up your own claims. Do your own homework, son! Or are you just some pathetic little kid who loves to filibuster and just hates what he can't have?

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lh_swe - 80 days 7 hours ago

Many exclusives haven't sold a gazillion copies on both sides of the pond but WHEN I ask does 1+ million constitute a flop. If you constitute critical appraisal + comparatively low sales a flop then basically many of the greatest games this gen and last are flops. Let me ask you this: Have you played any of Tim Shafers games before Brutal Legend? Fumito Ueda's games? Nix Quest? because basically all of those are flops in sales.

If you see the PS3 in a bad light because many of it's amazing games have sold bad of which it has a plenty (great games that is), I doubt your tainted eyes could ever see that. But then thats your issue but don't downplay thes games because they certainly don't deserve it, especially from someone who wouldn't even consider playing them based on immature prejudice.

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Traveler - 80 days 6 hours ago

Both consoles have great games. You guys need to stop bickering so much.

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Kamikaze135 - 80 days 6 hours ago

You made fun of Uncharted 2 for selling 2 million yet say nothing about Forza selling 2 million with an even bigger install base? Lol...

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OmarJA-N4G - 80 days 5 hours ago

Man the bots are getting more desperate everyday...

PS3 = GOTY Exclusives.

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CWMR - 80 days 5 hours ago

-Oh really. So, you are saying that every PS3 exclusive gets GOTY? Or that a PS3 exclusive wins GOTY every year?

Sorry to burst your bubble, pal, but neither of those things is true.

I seriously can't believe how quickly you guys get arrogant after the PS3 has one good year. It's one year out of many. One year doesn't define a rule. Many PS3 exclusives are mediocre.-

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xcox - 80 days 5 hours ago

and to the morons who use sales numbers to compensate for the lack of independent judgment, you really are experts in mediocrity

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weazel - 79 days 22 hours ago

Ah!! A late christmas present. You're back so I can take all of your bubbles all over again. I loves me a repeat offender! (1 bubble by dec 31st!)

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lh_swe - 79 days 18 hours ago

2 good years, 2008 was a close call but MGS4 took the prize in my mind. Then again it's up to preference (for the most part) but this year if you don't like at least some of the PS3's line-up I am sorry but that is your problem not mine and if that is the case then maybe you should get you head examined.

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kingdavid - 79 days 13 hours ago

Heavy rain will be excellent.

This will be excellent.

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peeps - 80 days 7 hours ago

same, i remember playing the ico demo back in the day. i think cus of my age when these games came out i wasn't really interested, looking back now tho i really wanna give sotc a go cus now i bet i'd love it, but alast my launch ps3 died so no more bc for me :(

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dredgewalker - 79 days 19 hours ago

Its not too late to try those games. I think they are gonna re-release those games in HD before the Last Guardian comes out like with what they did with God of War.

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infekt - 79 days 13 hours ago

Dont think it will be in HD. I think they are just re-releasing the titles.

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Anorexorcist - 80 days 6 hours ago

Why was the PS3 the undisputed winner in games and having "most games" this year if the PS3 owners don't buy those games and no profit or returns are likely?

If The Xbox 360 had "the more games selling", why didn't the devs focus more of their resources and profit models on the Xbox 360?

The funny thing is that if only two or three titles on the Xbox 360 sell so phenomenally in the 3+ million unit sale range, yet 10+ PS3 games each sell "ONLY" 1.5+ million unit sale range, you seem to still recognize that the Xbox 360 is still in the "lead for most of these games this gen"

PS3 titles have shown to have far longer sales ranges (or "longer legs" in laymen's terms.)

Sure Halo ODST and Halo 3 sold, what, 2 million copies or whatever on their opening days. But no less than a month after launch, those games fell completely off the major sales radars.

If this is all getting a little too complicated for you son, then just STFU and accept the fact you're a damn idiot who speaks through fanboyism and not through rationality.

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Aceluffy - 79 days 23 hours ago

PS3 exclusives sell like crap ? Hmm...I don't know where you're from but wherever it is, if you buy CRAP (literally) then you're dumber than I thought.
Most multiplats are developed with 360 as the lead because it is easier to develop, any developer with PC knowledge can code for 360 quite effectively. Ok, you still with me ? PS3 with its cell processor is a new stuff for most developers, ok ? New stuff means they need more time to learn. So in time, cell will be the mainstream and 360 will no longer be a lead platform cause it will be inferior ( See FFXIII for further reference ).
I hope my post is not too complicated for you, oh yeah....on topic, I am fully aware that Last Guardian is never going to sell like MW2 or GT franchise but it also will never change the fact that it is a masterpiece with Fumito Ueda touch, play ICO or SOTC to know what I mean. So next time please think before posting, it will help you a lot by not making you look like an idiot.

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Traveler - 80 days 6 hours ago

I think there is some truth to what you are saying.

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Wrathman - 80 days 6 hours ago

o bravo man of the year.bubbles to you for an excellent and accurate post

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PirateThom - 80 days 6 hours ago

Team ICO are a Sony first party studio.

Will Rare be releasing Viva Pinata on Wii?

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The Maxx - 80 days 5 hours ago

I understand your point. However Pirate Tom is right, Team ICO is owned by Sony, so going multiplat i don't think is an option for Team ICO. This will come down to the game being a good game, and PS3 owners actually buying the game.

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weazel - 79 days 20 hours ago

Honestly, you wait ages for one ignorant retard to show their faces, and then tonnes come at once. (Knightdarkbox,TheTruth,Man of the year). Line 'em up dunces and keep spouting that ignorant gibberish. I'll just keep popping those bubbles.

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PirateThom - 80 days 6 hours ago

For a certain group of "gamers", it's always been about sales. The thought of playing a game that doesn't have bangy shooty is beyond them anyway. They know who they are.

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The Iron Sheik - 80 days 5 hours ago

All that typing and no one will ever read it.

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The Maxx - 80 days 4 hours ago

I read it.

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kartik21 - 80 days 3 hours ago

the artice says even ico and colossus didnt sell on PS2 because no one will buy such games, are you retarded or what?

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kartik21 - 80 days 2 hours ago

by they dont buy games, fck most of the games have sold 2 million + in 2008 the situation was even worse, but attach ratio is actually high on PS3.

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CWMR - 80 days 5 hours ago

"You think Fumito Ueda gives a s**t about how much money you make?"

-No, but I guarantee you he cares about how much he makes.

The rest of your post is just fanboy blather.-

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The Iron Sheik - 80 days 5 hours ago

I think he cares more about making a great unique game. if it was just about the money he would make a FPS.

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damnightmare - 80 days 5 hours ago

The developers should care about both

The game will be great though, and I'm sure it'll sell at least more then 500k. Just look at Demon's Souls, I was surprised how much that sold and I'm glad that it has had it's success.

We as gamers should not care about sales other then to the extent of where the developers will go next. I sure as hell don't care about sales, as long as great games keep coming out.

You are just as much a fanboy though, you just got done saying how most PS3 exclusives are "mediocre" which I am finding hard to believe is what you really think and you are in the open zone just as we are lol

Bots always cling to the sales argument to justify how "good" a game is though. Seems to me both sides are retarded.

Either way this will be a great game.

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Narutone66 - 80 days 5 hours ago

the wrong thread. The "Too Human" thread is in the xbox 360 section.

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Odreus - 80 days 4 hours ago

What do you mean? Quality department or sales department? If you mean the quality department, than you are very wrong ...

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