Fallout 3 Producer Disappointed in Diablo 3

Daver - 554 days 14 hours ago

yes who cares... Diablo 3 will be much better than fallout 3

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Skizelli - 554 days 13 hours ago

I think Diablo 3 and Fallout 3 will both be great games. No sense it making it a "who has the biggest d#ck" contest.

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HateBoy - 554 days 12 hours ago

Diablo 3 obviously has the biggest d%&#).

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JsonHenry - 554 days 10 hours ago

I'm going to own both games from both companies. So really, I don't care who is saying what as long as their games come out.

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mralexander - 554 days 9 hours ago

the photo of his face is disturbing.

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mikeslemonade - 554 days 4 hours ago

Diablo 3 is pure nostalgia and completely overated. I will put Diablo 3, RE5, GTA4, and Star Craft 2 to the most overated games.

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Statix - 554 days 1 hour ago

Who really cares what Rubber-Johnny-face thinks, anyway?

Fallout 3 is one of my most anticipated games of the year, and I'm sure Diablo 3 will have a lot of followers when it comes out also.

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N4Gisbiased - 553 days 23 hours ago

That's one ugly motherf*cker.

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liquidsnake - 553 days 16 hours ago

Diablo 3 in all its glory, but If Fallout 3 is anything near Fallout 2 its gonna be daaaamn good.

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TheSadTruth - 554 days 8 hours ago

Oblivion was a step down from morrowind, just better graphics

you're definitely right

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MK_Red - 554 days 14 hours ago

Bubbles for your my friend. If Bethesda was making Diablo 3, it would have been a first person game known as Oblivion with Diablos!

Also, Black Isle or Blizzard > Bethesda. (IMO, Black Isle (RIP) > ALL).

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mepsipax - 554 days 13 hours ago

I think that Bethesda is jealous, but the article is not that bad he just said he was dissapointed that they're keeping with traditional diablo and starcraft, um yeah well that's why we play them, it's not like it's Diablo II with 3d graphics, It's got all new items, characters, worlds, sequels are usually made for the fans there bethesda maybe you should learn a thing or two, or maybe your just a lazy idiot who wants to make a good dollar off an amazing franchises name, plus you are making it first person just so you can release it on the consoles, because you want more money, and an isometric game wouldn't do so well on a console, well guess what bethesda I'm dissapointed in you, why don't you go on ruining the once classic Elder Scrolls franchise, and stop messing with my fallout.

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Closing - 554 days 10 hours ago

Bethesda improve things for the times! I mean video games have nothing to do with Technology after all. How dare they give us choice between 1st, and 3rd person views to give us the best view possible! I for one am outraged! Man do I miss the 8 bit era, when I couldn't tell what the F I was looking at, but even then the 2 bit guys were telling me how much cooler their outdated technology was than my cutting edge stuff. In fact lets just stop making new games altogether, and just play our old ones over, and over, and over again.

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mepsipax - 554 days 9 hours ago

@closing, um, what, let me ask you a question have you even played Elder Scrolls 1-3? if you have then you will see what a hollow shell Oblivion is compared to them. A choice of first person or 3rd person. And also have you played Fallout 1 and 2 if you have, then you realize that just because games are getting more technologically brilliant doesn't make them a better game, I don't even know where to start on that comment, what, since your playing an 8bit game means that anything below that sucks? I encourage new games, but when you create a game (fallout III) that does nothing but piss the ORIGINAL fans of the series off then what the hell is the point?

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Charlie2688 - 554 days 9 hours ago

@mepsipax: don't bother dude a good amount if not the majority of the people that comment in this Bethesda Fallout 3 articles have never played any fallout game and neither do they even understand the change that is being done to Fallout 3 from the previous ones and they keep on posting comments that reflect that like the user Closing there that even when people tried to explain the situation to him last time he seems unable to get it

so yet again God forbid the Closing from understanding the subject at hands...sigh

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Closing - 554 days 9 hours ago

Being pissed about it incorporating systems to keep up the the current standards that can only heighten the emersion is absolutely retarded. I see a lot of people playing the whole pseudo I'm a true fan card. For example I've been a huge MGS fan from day one, but did you see me moaning when they incorporated a camera system that helps break down that this is only a game barrier? Or how about when they improve the shooting system so that I have better accuracy? I see this close mindedness all the time in music, and everything else, but if you don't like progression, and want the same thing over, and over than just stick with the first record, and quite the complaining. There's no point in doing a sequel if you're not trying to improve, and change things, and if they didn't then logical people would really complain saying, "this is blah blah blah 1.5 I feel ripped!" True fans are the ones who at very least give the creators a chance to change, and improve.

God forbid you Charlie try, and grasp some simple logic of what I'm trying to explain. Honestly you can think what you want but don't expect there to be no opposing views on a subject as old as time or that I don't know enough to form a basis on a subject from a million other sources.

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mepsipax - 554 days 8 hours ago

wow, just wow, we were discussing the problems with bethesda and fallout and oblivion, and now you seem to be going on and on about innovation in games, well, first off Oblivion was a step back from Morrowind, MGS4 while has an awesome story/graphics/presentaion has gameplay that doesn't really innovate at all, of course we want a new game, but we also want sequels to game we have enjoyed in the past, so what the hell is the point in calling Fallout 3, Fallout 3? why not just making it a post apocalyptic fps in the style of Fallout, I would probably love it if it wasn't trying to claim the unattainable throne of fallout 3, man, you are obviously a console fanboy, innovation in games is dead anyway. And what about letting the creators do what they want with it, I have no problem with Blizzard or Valve messing with their classic franchises but when some random company that has nothing to do with the original developers starts making the original developers game and f#cks around with the whole gameplay style (no turned based combat, first person,) then it's obvious they're just trying to make floads of money and don't give a rats ass about the original fans. I'm done after this next question have you ever played the original fallout/elder scrolls games? If so then you are blind and do not see the killing (how was oblivion better than morrowind and how will Fallout 3 be better than fallout 2), and if no, then shut up.

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Closing - 554 days 6 hours ago

I definitely see what you're saying, but at this point we don't really know what this game has to offer, and to count it out due to its name frankly seems a bit shallow since you admitted yourself the game shows a lot of promise. If Fallout could have gotten the rights from EA for the name Wasteland then they most likely would have. Now you asked if I played the other games, and the answer is no, but I've been in your shoes before, and I can relate. However not matter what you feel it's not your game, and you don't own the rights to the game, and if they sold it to people who genuinely feel they know what's best for the franchise then thats their business.. You don't know what's in the Bethesda hearts. I'm on the end where I've heard what they've done to the system, and it doesn't seem like I big deal to me personally or that it can be anything, but helpful. I think as long as you get the same type of feeling while playing it, and the story-line continuation feels natural than they've done their job. That aspect can only be told when you ACTUALLY PLAY the game, and that's something you can tell me once you played it since you played the others. Lastly you saying innovation is dead in games is about the silliest thing I've ever heard. There's always going to be innovation. Seriously get over yourself man.

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mepsipax - 554 days 5 hours ago

alright, that's fair, but Bethesda only got fallout rights because Interplay was closing due to money problems so the sale wasn't in the best interest of the franchise, as for innovation being dead, it is (on AAA titles) there is too much money getting spent on games nowadays that publishers will not allow developers to go outside the box, while there will be a few games coming out with a few innovative features, there will never be a title that will kick you in the teeth with innovation, you can only innovate so far. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, Fallout III won't be a bad game it just will be a kick in the balls as a fan of the franchise.

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Relcom - 554 days 14 hours ago

Thank you Red, me and you are on the same page here. Also when watching the Diablo 3 vid it ruined Fallout 3 for me.

I'm proud of Blizzard for being true to the fans. If Black Isle made this game you know damn well then would of made it old school.

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MK_Red - 554 days 14 hours ago

Absolutly agreed. The exact same thing happend to me after seeing gameplay of Diablo 3. It seriously killed my love for Bethesda's FPS Fallout 3. Seeing Diablo 3 in all of its isometric glory ruined this Fallout 3 for me too.

Blizzard indeed stayed true to its fans, unlike Bethesda and their Oblivion (Biggest possible insult to Morrowind and Daggerfall fans).

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Relcom - 554 days 13 hours ago

Couldn't agree more, I haven't exactly been quiet on my hate for Oblivion. . . .lol

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ry-guy - 554 days 12 hours ago

I agree with what you guys are saying but what about the look of Diablo 3's interface?

It is so WoW-themed it is rediculous. I wish they would retain the original interface. However I am happy they are retaining the look and feel of Diablo.

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Voiceofreason - 554 days 8 hours ago

The interface in WoW along with much of the game comes from Diablo. Not the other way around. Skill trees in WoW come from Diablo, the ! over a persons head for quests comes from Diablo.Repair system comes from Diablo. All they took from WoW was the 10 button hotkey system. Everything else already belonged to Diablo.

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Statix - 554 days ago

If the isometric camera is the only thing you people are squabbling about, then I really have to question your good, reasonable (pre)judgement--about a game you and I know next to nothing about except for the fact that it uses traditional 3D third-person and first-person cameras.

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Relcom - 554 days 14 hours ago

After Oblivion was released which dumbed down the Franchise to nothing i really have been a hater of the company.

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mepsipax - 554 days 13 hours ago

Well luckily I had the half assed pc port of Oblivion so I could mod it, there are some fantastic mods out there that make the game more like the originals, like removing the horrible horrible leveling up system (what's the point of leveling up when everything levels up with you?) and fixing AI and adding a few cool new features, I haven't touched 360 Oblivion in a while though, yep I think we can all call bethesda the "franchise ruiners" from now on, because in stead of developing an isometric Fallout and releasing it as a PC exclusive, they decided to do much like Oblivion and whore out to the consoles, and for some reason when a developer puts something on a console, he for some reason, decides the dumb down the gameplay and simplify everything.

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Relcom - 554 days 12 hours ago

ditto to what you said Mep

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Lemons - 554 days 13 hours ago

... he also goes on to praise Blizzard and also goes on to say that "Blizzard is the top of the class when it comes to game development - nobody does it better."

A very misleading title serving to provoke a reaction by the people that read the attention grabbing headlines only.

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Lew_Ijgee - 554 days 13 hours ago

I love how easy it is to get news from the internet, but at the same time I hate how easy it is for these writers and webmasters to get hits by overselling the articles with misleading titles such as these. One could never get away with misquoting someone this badly on TV or Radio.

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Close_Second - 554 days 8 hours ago

...is that people continue to come out in droves to defend Blizzard saying that Fallout 3 will fail and Diablo 3 will previal and yet neither game has been released.

How many games have come out in the last 12 months that have failed? You'd think some people would learn to just hold their opinion until they have something real to base it on.

There have been few to games this gen that have actually impressed me as they are nothing but more polished versions of previous releases and offer nothing new. A prime example of this is Devil May Cry 4. Slick visuals but nothing new in the gameplay stakes.

For me, I will wait to see how both Fallout and Diablo play when they are released before I judge either.

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Testo - 553 days 12 hours ago

Fallout > Diablo.

There is no comparison IMO. But unfortunately Midway is out of the picture so the series could go to crap.

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Drakol - 554 days 13 hours ago

What about Square Enix still making turn based RPGs? Are they still stuck in the past? And what about Id creating those Quake games? I guess they are getting nowhere... being "stuck in the past".

It's what made Diablo big that Blizzard is sticking with. Keep it Isometric, but implement some innovative features to keep the player satisfied. That's one of the reason of what gaming SHOULD be about, making the player come back for more. And apperently, Blizzard has had a better time doing that than Bethesda. Even when they are "stuck in the past" ;)

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MK_Red - 554 days 8 hours ago

I absolutly agree with you my friend. They insulted Morrowind fans by Obliv.

As for Fallout 3, I wasn't feeling really bad until I recently saw Diablo 3 in all of its isometric glory and after that, I just couldn't be interested much in the FPS Fallout that Bethesda has made. As another great member said, it should have been called Fallout: East or Fallout FPS.

As for those reasons, I have 2 more to add:
6. Not isometric.
7. Not isometric.

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Sol Invictus - 554 days 13 hours ago

That's Ashley Cheng in the picture.

Oh, and he wanted Starcraft 2 to be a first person game. See the update in the post for proof.

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