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Could This Be PS4's Secret Weapon?

PS Analog writes,"After the success of Kinect and its inevitable use of an upgraded version for the Xbox 720, what will Sony bring to the party? We think we know the answer."

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giovonni4427d ago

"Sony Make this Happen" I've said it many times before. With Kinect being a success and only getting better as time passes they have to put their stamp in the market too. however, the sony loyalist are the ones that feel kinect like features are gimicky and say they wont use them if present in their system, do you feel the same way if sony decides to go the route of MS ?

PS-Analog4427d ago

Kinect can't do hardcore games because of lag and lack of accuracy. Kinect 2.0 will be built in line with the next x box and will be 10 times better. Sony can't stand by and watch and will need to build something that. Doesn't ditch its hardcore base and will run seemlessly with ps4. Something like in this article could be it

Cosmo8114426d ago

Kinect can't do hardcore games because it's Kinect. You can't do shooters, rpgs etc. by using your body, it just doesn't work.

Fylus4426d ago

Agree with Cosmo. Even IF some dev could get a shooter/rpg to work well with Kinect, it would NEVER be comfortable enough to use consistently. Besides, I don't think any self-respecting hardcore RPG player is going to enjoy playing any sort of Kinect based RPG.

justpassinggas4426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

What the heck is wrong with people who praise the Kinect? It is an abomination and needs to die! There are some cool features in Kinect but you can get those same things without the motion sensing crap. The voice command thing in ME3 was great, for example, but there was no need for motion sensing. If all hardcore games are better with physical, tangible controllers, what is the benefit of Kinect but to fuel a move towards the casual market?

PC gamers (usually elitists, but sometimes even the average PC gamer) have disdain for console gamers because game developers and publishers have moved from focussing on PCs to focussing on consoles because of the larger market. That's why some PC gamers say that consoles are holding development back and that developers are catering to the lowest denominator. It makes business sense to go where the money is, where the returns are high. What is an even larger market than the hardcore market? The CASUAL MARKET. Do you really want fewer hardcore games? Why did the Wii ultimately fail as a hardcore console? Because Nintendo followed the casual market and threw a few bones in the form of Zelda or Metroid to confuse the hardcore market.

Can anyone list some motion controlled games that can be considered "hardcore"?

Can someone honestly provide me a list of "Kinect" games that rely heavily on its motion sensor and say with a serious face that they'd love to have most of their future games be similar to these games?

As for the Move: I HATED the Eye Toy but the Move gave it potential (hopefully this potential will be realized with Sorcery). If Microsoft provides a tangible controller that works in tandem with Kinect, I wouldn't hate on it so much.

Ravenor4426d ago

Did I miss something? It seems the article was more fixated on the possibility of head tracking being integrated into games...not a Kinect like control implement.

MaxXAttaxX4426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

Kinect alone IS a gimmick and very limited.

PS Eye + Move is functional.

blitz06234426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

Microsoft ditched gamers with their release and subsequent support of Kinect. Sony is the only one left catering to the needs of old school gamers that just want games played with a controller. If Sony turns to motion gaming or whatever crap that doesn't involve the conservative controller (and completely ignores it as well), then gaming is officially dead

pixelsword4426d ago

@ Cosmo811

" You can't do shooters, rpgs etc. by using your body, it just doesn't work."

I wonder how they pull it off in real life...

ClimateKaren4426d ago

@pixelsword

"I wonder how they pull it off in real life..."

You mean when people use guns? The physical objects that you can hold and manipulate (sound familiar? {controllers})? And when people can freely walk or run to move around, instead of being relegated to one spot? And when people can turn their heads to look at things?

Yeah, I wonder how they do that. Way to offer the most inept comparison of the year.

@giovonni

"however, the sony loyalist are the ones that feel kinect like features are gimicky and say they wont use them if present in their system, do you feel the same way if sony decides to go the route of MS ?"

Have you heard of something called the eyetoy that came out almost a decade ago? Sony went that way a long time ago, and when they built on the formula, they built on it properly. They discovered a long time ago that substituting body movements for controller inputs is a lousy way to game (for the most part). When they evolved it brought the controller back into the mix, and it's closer to something that can be used for serious gaming.

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Silly gameAr4427d ago

Honestly, I would treat a Playstaion Kinect like I treat the current XBox Kinect. Wouldn't give it a second thought.

Fylus4426d ago

Exactly. I LOVE my ps3 and I will continue to support Sony with the PS4, but there is a reason I never bothered with EyeToy.

srcBFMVBMTH4426d ago

Very true, I think Sony should just save the money they would use on their version of "Kinect" and just use it for advertising their crazy amount of games, adding more first party developers to their list, and of course continue making quality games as usual.

Tdmd4427d ago

I'm a big time sony fan, but I would never - ever - buy/support something like knect even if sony did it better. I find it ridiculous. I'll use a joystick instead, as always, while playing ps4 games.

KwietStorm_BLM4426d ago

Sony loyalists... Why do people insist on talking nonsense? So are you sitting here believing that if you're an xbox owner, you're all in with Kinect? Please say yes, and please help me see how it's been getting better and better. Looks the same to me since it released.

Gamer19824426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

Amazing depth sensing feel and 3D feel without a 3D TV.. You would only need a 3D TV for 3D movies.

ilikestuff4426d ago

yea that'd be the best way to do the 3d thing, only problem is its made for one person. id like to see this as a built in OPTION on the ps4. it would make fps 100 times more immersive. peaking to see around corners.

Nodoze4426d ago

Kinect is CRAP. It is a wii too cash in attempt to woo the casual gamers. The titles are 99% shovelware.

I don't want anything similar for the next Playstation.

tee_bag2424426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

"with Kinetic being a success" you say...?

Lol.. Did I miss something here... ??

giovonni4426d ago

yes it is a success from a business stand point, and I was asking the question if sony made it a standard in the system will sony loy. use it? and yes it has gotten better there are things you can do on it that wasn't possible and with time passing it will get better
10 million sold (march 9 2011) isn't anything to sneeze at. http://www.engadget.com/201...

Virtual_Reality4426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

It is a success probably for the casual audience.

skyblue142134426d ago

Kinect has spy tech in it that allows the department of homeland security to access any kinect that is hooked up and use the spy tech to spy on you or others in any particular home(whether you are using it or not), it also uses the facial recognition software inherent in kinect and dhs could also use kinect to see through walls into other rooms of a house hold to spy on other people in that household.

Go to this link for more info:
http://www.prisonplanet.com...

tee_bag2424426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

Actually true.. Bubble for an awake informative and factual post mate. It's more of a microsoft big brother data gathering unit than anything else.
JohnnyMann or should I say, little Johnie doesn't
seem to mind being violated.

Parapraxis4426d ago

*facepalm*
"prisonplanet"

lover20124426d ago

@giovonni
lol i lost a brain cell reading your comment

JohnnyMann4204426d ago

No one likes the Kinect or takes it seriously. Why the heck should Sony even bother is what I want to know.

Bzone244426d ago

So you now speak for everyone?

fr0sty4426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

First of all, this tech was originally developed for Wii, but PS3 incorporated it without the need for glasses (it was demoed at GDC one year). There is nothing preventing the current PS3 from doing this. However, the tech is only useful when you are moving your head, and since we typically sit still while gaming it's purpose is easily defeated. Sony's 3D visor coupled with this tech is a much more viable alternative, however I think they would just put a gyro on the visor so they could have head tracking without the lag of having to do so with an image captured by a USB camera.

So no, this is not sony's "secret weapon" by a long shot. VR very well may be, however, as they have already come out saying a while back that they were doing experiments with their 3D headset and gaming.

SephirothX214426d ago

I agree. I've developed for Kinect in a college project and the technology is very cleverly developed but it isn't applicable to most game types. I made a simple 3D space shooter using XNA 4.0 and Kinect's voice commands work well even though with one second lag but it is very hard to provide accurate controls when it comes to directing the space craft and aiming. I'm not saying it couldn't be applicable in the future when they update the skeletal tracking feature to track fingers but unless it can be used with extreme accuracy while sitting down, it would be too awkward to be used with most hardcore games. Though if improved significantly, games designed to take full advantage of the technology could be a lot of fun but I'm not holding my breath.

svoulis4426d ago

You do realize before the Wii and Kinect, there was the eyetoy on PS2?

It was functional, it was gimmicky and it was pretty lame just like the Kinect. The only thing that has changed is the way it tracks you.

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FrigidDARKNESS4427d ago

Sony needs this in the ps4 o compete in next gen race. Ther will be an improved kinect with much better processing power and graphics. Kudos to Sony for trying something different.

TacoTaru4427d ago

How is this "something different"? It doesn't take a genius to improve on what is. The genius part is in being first - as in Wii and Kinect. I guess Sony made a better wii-mote and will now make a better kinect.

saint_seya4426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

Genius part... ure talking about eye toy instead kinetic, dun wry i got ya!

TekoIie4426d ago

Ps move was comparable to wii motion plus. Although personally noticed that over months of using it the accuracy began to get worse and worse (games like killzone and ruse).

Kinect has so far proven best with its voice commands on halo:A and ME3.

clrlite4426d ago (Edited 4426d ago )

....and the PSeye if I'm not mistaken.

also, Sony was working on wand controllers 10 years ago, yet Nintendo managed to launch one first(an incomplete one). Who's the genius there, I suppose it's debatable.

Also, the "success" of kinect has mainly HEAVY marketing to thank most likely. Something Sony may want to consider.

Sega Activator video (@ 2:34: "you are the controller")
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Dr. Marks Demoing PS motion controls in 2004(WITH WAND):
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Mr_Luke4427d ago

Ok, can be a good move, but i really hope they won't base all the games on that technology (unless it's an extra thing). Since i bought Kinect (when it was out) i used it something like 5 times or so... Still have more fun with my joypads.

DeletedAcc4427d ago (Edited 4427d ago )

Fuck no ! Controller 4ever

Gamer19824426d ago

I think they will have a controller this is to add a 3d effect to gaming should you want it without the need for a costly 3d tv. I think most would LOVE that.

XboxInnovation4427d ago

3D and motion controls are terrible and do not belong in gaming.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers24d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken24d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g24d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing24d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H924d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola24d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66924d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle24d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg25d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos25d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion25d ago (Edited 25d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola25d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies45d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken45d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga45d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken45d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6445d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long45d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197245d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic45d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12545d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91345d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer45d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91344d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit44d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher45d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6944d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit44d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher45d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken45d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197245d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic45d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2345d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218345d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder45d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts45d ago

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