The Next PlayStation is Called Orbis, Sources Say. Here are the Details

Kotaku: While the official reveal of Sony's next home console could still be months away, if not longer, Kotaku has today learned some important details concerning the PlayStation 3's successor.

For one, the console's name—or at least its codename/working title—is apparently Orbis. And it's being planned for release in time for the 2013 holiday season.

[Hellsvacancy]

I hope not, sounds dumb, ill still refer to it as the PS4

[Emilio_Estevez]

Probably a code name, as per usual

It sounds pretty hefty if it can do 1080p 3d and 4k res.

[NewMonday]

PSO, if you try to pronounce it it sounds like "p!$$ off"

"ource claims that the console will come with a AMD x64 CPU and a AMD Southern Islands GPU"
is this good tech?

[dark-hollow]

Southern islands gpus are basically the RADEON 7000 series which can range from the radeon 7570 to the high end 7950.

They are the most recent gpus from AMD.

[Shikoro]

It depends which GPU in the Southern Islands family it is.
If it's the 7950 or 7870, this thing is going to be a beast. The only thing I don't like is AMD's CPU. Really, Sony? A modified Cell with more local storage, branch prediction and more effective parallelism would do wonders. God, I hope they got the CPU wrong...

[gaffyh]

The used game info makes no sense at all. Why don't they just do the same thing that PCs do and have a serial key and require activation? That will pretty much wipe out used game sales completely, and because consoles are a closed system, it is unlikely that pirates will be able to make keygens/activation cracks readily available, at least straight away.

Then if someone buys a used game, they must purchase a new serial key online. Seems like common sense to me, but they keep trying these stupid methods.

[Pacman321]

Yes but the pre-owned system sounds pretty s**t and i hope it's not true.

[NewMonday]

@Shikoro

they want AMD for a cpu gpu Fusion, will this give them extra advanteg over split cpu and gpu?

her is an interesting story:
http://www.pcmag.com/articl...

[DFresh]

4K yeah right!
1080P/60 frames per second will be the standard of PS4/Xbox720/Wii U.

Edit:
Just so you know 1080P is different from 4K resolution.

2K = 2X better then 1080P. (Future development for console gaming.)

4K = 4X better then 1080P. (Future game development for PC gaming.)

8K = 8X better then 1080P. (Pretty sure it'll be used for movie projectors in theaters. Sony as far as I know have an 8K projector in the works.)

[NiKK_419]

@DFresh Sorry, but that's not true. You're just confusing people.

And this is only to be futureproof. This doesn't mean the games will be in 4K.

2K is barely higher than 1080P but it's not an exact resolution. 2K can be defined as a few resolutions. Same with 4K and 8K.

An easy way of defining it would be looking at the first number of the resolution (the length, which is bigger.) 2K would be around 2000, 4K would be around 4000 and so on.
For reference 1080P is 1920x1080.

[SilentNegotiator]

4K res.....riiiiight. And the ps3 can do 1080p on multiple screens.

"2K is barely higher than 1080P but it's not an exact resolution. 2K can be defined as a few resolutions. Same with 4K and 8K"
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Eh.....even if it were the same vertical res as standard 1080p, it would then be like 4x the resolution. "barely"?

If consoles have anti-used crap, though, they will not have much of a future. You can still play an NES, n64, playstation, xbox, etc....imagine a few years down the line, you would need a console with ALL the games you want attached to it. That would BLOW. That system breaks, say goodbye to your entire collection.

[DeadlyFire]

AMD CPU is alot faster than PowerPC. Just clock to clock comparison. Kinda of an oddball choice if you ask me though. Still more powerful, but its not something you would expect.

What kinda of AMD CPU will it be sporting? A custom one or one that is already on the market? I am going to assume it will use one of the upcoming FX Series CPUs coming in Q3 2012 or custom variation CPU based on one. Hopefully not gimped to far to save costs.

GPU I am going to assume will be one that puts out at least 2.5 Tflops since that is requirement of 1080p on that Samaritan demo. Which means 7870 or 7900 series GPU. Either way that means lots of heat though. I am expecting this means PS4 won't be cheap.

[BattleAxe]

If there's no continuity with the PSN and allowing you play PS3 games that you've downloaded, then I will not be participating with the next generation of consoles.

I'm hoping that even after the PS4 launch, that the PS3 continues to be supported with major releases for at least a few years after.

[gamingdroid]

I think the used game policy on PS4 is untrue. What happens to people that play offline if internet connectivity is a requirement to even play the game?

They aren't going to ditch a lot of people that don't connect their PS4 to the internet. If so, it would be pretty stupid and I won't support them. Instead, I will support a competitor that doesn't. At present time, it doesn't seem Wii U has any disgusting used game restrictions.

I guess, they could do the whole "phone in your activation" thing a ma jigg.

Also, no BC kind of sucks too....

I hope it is false!

[pixelsword]

If I can't sell the games or get them used I'm not getting the system; so no PS4 or NextboX for me, I guess.

[sikbeta]

1. Obviously a codename, no way they're going to call it Orbis, the hell is that s***?

2. FINALLY! a rumor about the Next PlayStation Console, all these months were all about Xbox3, it's nice to have something at least :P

3. You people think it's going to be called PS4?

[Darrius Cole]

@pixelsword

There is no way in hell that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo is going to sell a system that doesn't work if it is not connected to the internet. Or at least that won't be the only system that they sell. That anti-used game system is a pipe dream.

EDIT:

Nor will it lock games discs to a single username. That would require a writable disc and a drive that could write to disc. There is no way we are getting that.

AND

Of course it is going to be called Playstation 4 or PS4.

[pixelsword]

@ Darrius Cole:

That's where "if" and "I guess" comes into play...

...as opposed to "since" and "I'm sure".

:)

[decrypt]

Lol so console gamers will be most likely not getting any BC next gen.

Wake up guys you are being taken for a ride with these consoles(Specially they dont even look like consoles any more, they look more like locked down PCs to me). Buy thousands of USD worth of games, then they are unplayable next gen.

I personally have over 150games on Steam, no fears of losing my entire library here lol.

Console gaming is supposed to be cheap, looks more like a rip off.

Now before some retarded fanboy comes up saying "oh we can have a PS3 plugged in with the PS4". Good luck having a PS2, PS3 and PS4 plugged in at the same time lol.

@at anyone hoping for 4K gaming and 1080p 3D

Its the same crap Sony fed you the last time when they mentioned 1080p and 120fps lol. Dont get sucked into it another time lol.

[milohighclub]

I think the orbis thing is true.

I recently got a vita and noticed like a lot of vets would that they have used the ps logo as it boots up like the playstation did.

I think the author is right about the symbolism comment, but barking up the wrong tree.

If orbis means circle, orbit....etc I think it means they are doing a full circle and going back to the old days... Games come first, other media second.

[ProjectVulcan]

Meh. Those specs have been floating around for aaaaaaaages.

It has also been mentioned that the thing will have a bunch of extra DSPs and FPGAs i.e additional process units for various other functions, all dumped on an interposer and connected with a chunk of very fat memory on it like a 512 bit bus to make sure there are no memory bandwidth bottlenecks which would of course be the major obstacle with such a busy chip.

Chances are that would be an expensive chip to make, not to mention difficult.

But it should be stonkingly fast, if Sony get it right. Sony must nail the GPU and they will be able to have the outright performance crown, with no chance of a dispute.

[STEWIE_PLAY_PS4]

I Hope want PS4 3D free :P.

[Eyesoftheraven]

Well, they were boasting about the PS3 being able to do 1k-2k @ 120fps at its unveiling. Look how that turned out.

[MaxXAttaxX]

Hmmm
Can anyone tell me how reliable these Kotaku insiders are when it comes to rumours???

[2pacalypsenow]

whats the point of 4k? tvs are not even 2k

[frostypants]

Even if they have anti-used game features on the PS4 and NextBox, you'll all buy one of them. Seriously, deny it all you want, but you know it's true. Let's be honest here...

[InactiveUser]

Code name, fine.

Release.. PS4.

Also, agreed with 2pacalyosenow. They should shoot for all games to be 1080p 120fps, so they can have every game in 1080p 3D 60fps if that's how that works. Let it be able to run some future 4k2k PSN games though if they think 4k2k tvs will be out before 5-8 years.

[andibandit]

Dont get too excited with specs on the next gen of consoles. Sony/MS get alot of free marketing on the hype factor alone, and they are playing that card.
But anyways you're problably too busy dreaming about OMZG 4K REZ, NEWEST CPU/GPU TECH, INTERNATIONAL SPACESTATION CONNECTION NEEEEEEEEERDGAAAAAAAASMMMM.

When you finally get that console and find out it it's only half of what you expected it to be, you'll go into denial about if that was money well spent, and you'll defend the product to the death.
OMGZZZZ THIS 450$ RED LUNCHBOX IS THE BEST PURCHASE EVER!!!!, ANYONE WHO GETS THE BLUE ONE ARE LOOOOSSEEEEEEERSS!!!!!

[humbleopinion]

This sounds like a bunch of bull: throw all kinds of rumors at the wall and see what sticks.

The thing that makes least sense and probably classifies this rumor as false is the 4K resolution: even if you want the console to be like 10 years futureproof this doesn't sound reasonable.
This is because the 4K standard is 4096 x 2304 in cinemas. This is over 4 times 1080p which current consoles don't really handle bar a few games, or over 8 times the resolution of most 720p games.
So you will basically need 4 times the memory, 4 times the processing power etc just to keep games looking *exactly like this gen games* with the only difference being the resolution boost.

Not to mention, 1080p TVs are not even the standard today in the western world and many people still have 720p displays. Do people have any idea how much time it will take for TVs to reach this 4K resolution at a reasonable (ie, not 10000$+) price? Investing in 4K resolution is just focusing on the wrong aspect and it makes no sense for Sony to do this.

[slayorofgods]

No used games
No backwards compatibility

No thanks,

I really hope MS puts more effort into PC games next generation because it is re-gaining momentum and allows the user to be in control of their gaming experience.

[JsonHenry]

Might as well just get a gaming PC if any of this is true. AMD CPU/GPU. No used (or restricted use) games.

Not sure this is why people buy consoles over gaming rigs. In fact, I think it is the exact opposite of why people stick to console gaming instead of PC gaming.

And @ Shikoro- you are completely wrong. The AMDx64 cpus make the CELL look stupid in comparison. They would have to change a LOT of the CELLs architecture to make it even remotely close to being on par with either Intel or AMDs CPUs. The instruction set alone is worth not having a CELL in the new console. I am not blasting the CELL as being useless. But go read the hundreds of quotes by programmers who wished that consoles had either intel or AMD CPUs in them. More cores (or in the case of the CELL "helper" cores) does not= greater power by default. The instruction sets such as SSE and architecture of the chips play a more important role.

[gypsygib]

Games optimized for the hardware and southern island GPU will look much better than general purpose PC games....at first.

[cyborg6971]

We buy consoles for the games. And the games. Did I mention the games.

What is the point of a pc?

[JsonHenry]

What is the point of the PC? The games. :)

[fluffydelusions]

@cyborg6971

Did you really just ask what the point of a PC is?

[Muerte2494]

Get some disagrees but I'm still saying that Sony is going to stick with Nvidia. I'm not buying into this whole "They're switching to AMD" rumors out there. I honestly, don't think they're going to scrap the CELL. To me that would be the best way to keep costs down. IT also seems most developers are familiar with it by now anyway.

[superrey19]

@Muerte2494

I agree on reusing the cell, or a modified version of it, but as far as the gpu goes, I hope they switch to AMD. I love me my Nvidia cards on pc, but lets face it, amd gpus are always cheaper... but no slouch in the performance department either. They provide the best bang for buck which is what Sony is probably looking for to keep costs down and still have a beast of a console.

[DeadlyFire]

Power7 = Cell 2.0 Honestly its not far from it. SMT threads up to 4 per core. About the same Gflops performance with a slight bump. Same clock speeds.

AMDx64 CPU is alot faster than Cell. Its possible they might even be using an APU + GPU. Say Deccan 28nm 4 core A10 5800 APU with AMD 7660 built in. I say throw a 7850 in there + that = 2500 Tflop GPU power + the 4 core APU. Would be less heat and more power. Although could be potentially modified higher caliber APU. or Steamroller based one. I am hoping they go for Single CPU + High End GPU. Although Crossfire APU + GPU power would work out wonderfully as well.

[sikbeta]

@JsonHenry

Yeah, NO! I buy consoles for their games, don't come with that s*** about emulation because I'm not going to wait 5 years to get a half console on a PC...

@cyborg6971

1.Actually make games for Consoles lol
2.Other s*** besides gaming + gaming with better graphics :P
3.circlejerk for PC-fanboys XD

@Muerte

CELL is dated now, take any powerful CPU and run circles around the CELL, it'd only be good for BC, but much like with the PS3, they can add cell to the new console for BC, while emulate the RSX with a powerful GPU this time

What they really need is RAM for the next console, 4GB of RAM will do wonders, not gonna happen though, but more than 2GB and all will run smooth

[Rage_S90]

PC is for pornz.

[Muerte2494]

That the cell is dated but this is the 45nm version. I don't why they can't knock the size down to 32nm or even 22nm and clock it at around 4.5GHz. Now regarding AMD vs NVidia, the 7980 is $550.00 and the GTX680 is $500.00. If you look at some of the benchmarks out there the GTX680 beats out the 7980 in almost everything. Also they are using launch drivers with the new kelper cards.

[Thatguy-310]

I like the sound of Orbis :) they cant possibly keep naming theyre console the same thing. ps4,ps5,ps6,ps7,ps8 etc.They neeed to change it up a bit. Btw since speculation that both sony and microsoft will prohibit used games makes me think that next-gen will absolutely hurt the trade market that gamestop and other company offer.. Can't wait to see the announcement

[morkendo23]

I agree ORBIS do sound dumb first read the name i thought it said ORVIS Clank father in "A CRACK IN TIME"

ps4 name reign supreme in my book.

[Malice-Flare]

it's Kotaku. a mountain of salt required. anyway, i blame GameStop if the anti-used game tech is true...

[DigitalAnalog]

I doubt SONY would call it the PS4. The number "4" has the same pronunciation as "death" in Japanese. So it would be extremely ironic considering the last Playstation release is called "Life".

[jhenri]

That could actually be pretty cool. They could use the slogan live playstation, die playstation.

[StayStatic]

Bazinga

[djtek184]

April Fools?

[THESONYPS3]

This is not out final name. We are still developing right as we speak.

[StupidDude]

While this is all unconfirmed, whichever console allows used games will have a huge leg up.

I have a feeling (or, I really hope, rather) that a lot of these will end up being strictly rumors. I'm not sure Sony is in the best position, financially speaking, to be locking down the consumer as much as this report suggests it's going to do.

[NewMonday]

if MS and Sony do it the same time, it could mean it was from pressure from publishers.

[FatGayandbald]

If they both have anti used games software then i think they have agreed it together , knowing both want to do it but who ever allows used games would have an advantage.

When developing new consoles i always wonder to what extent do companies work together or steal information. The consoles end up being so similar in power and release dates and console cycles always the same.

[DeadlyFire]

If this whole locking down used games and locking new games to only one PSN account thing is true they better cut the prices on the games. I am not paying $60 times 3 so my siblings can play the same game I play.

[ZoyosJD]

Just let them use your account, assuming you are not all trying to play at the same time on different consoles. I mean its your family man if you can't trust them, then who can you trust.

[SuperBeast811]

Exactly me and my wife like to get trophies on our own accounts but im not paying 120 bucks for every game we both want to play

[MrBeatdown]

Exactly, which is why I doubt either Sony or MS wants to be the first to attempt it. So many gamers buy used that it would essentially be sending customers over to the competition. My choice of consoles would essentially be decided by DRM flexibility if any company attempted something like this. Plus, making an internet connection a requirement cuts off a whole lot of customers. A company like GameStop would be sure to remind any customer looking to buy a console of negative features like that.

I do like the idea of being able to install a game using a disc, and then being able to play without it. If they could find a way to tie games to your account using the current PSN DRM (content can be used on any account on up to two consoles, online or off) and make them playable without a disc, that could make for an interesting incentive to buy new.

Doing that though, they would need a way to make sure you aren't installing it and selling it, maybe by blocking it from being played (at least online) for as long as you have it "activated" on your account, or something like that.

[mantisimo]

@ Mr Beat
"Exactly, which is why I doubt either Sony or MS wants to be the first to attempt it. So many gamers buy used that it would essentially be sending customers over to the competition."

Sorry to burst your bubble but the conversation goes something like this. *ring ring* "

Hello Don Mattrick speaking"

"Hey Don it's Shuhei Yoshida hows the wife?"

"Yeah Good Shu, Phil says hello"

"Cool say Hi right back, we still going for the no multiple account sh1t next year"?

"Yeaah lets do it that's what all the studios requested"

"great, you bowling tonight the team needs you"

"Ok buddy see you then oh and bring Phil I miss him Lol."

No real isolation there it's what they all want. And sadly it will happen because like sheep we all bought the popular games with an online pass. Thus showing them we will buy anything and pay anything for the chance to play and not be encouraged to buy 2nd hand.

I'm as guilty as everyone else, but guilty and out of pocket I am about to become more and more.

[MrBeatdown]

@mantisimo

I doubt that.

What they want and what would work are two different things. Even if they both want to do it, they would be throwing away any chance of ever selling anything to those without a high speed internet connection. For all we know, blocking that market could have a bigger negative impact on the industry's bottom line than used game sales, especially if they could find a way to bring in revenue from the used market.

You have to remember that every publisher with an online pass allows you to buy a pass for $10. They could easily require you to buy a new copy to play online. Hell, a publisher could implement some pretty strict DRM in PS3 and 360 games if they want to. They don't need new consoles to do it. So clearly publishers feel that finding a way to bring in revenue from the used market is a better idea than forcing you to buy a new copy to play online.

Plus, I just don't see MS and Sony entering into any kind of binding agreement with one another that dictates that they will both cut off the used market.

[Greyfoxdbz]

I don't really understand why publishers would complain about pre-owned games. If I have a game that is PRE-owned, it means it was bought new somewhere down the line. I would have thought that they would welcome a wider distribution of their games because it would mean greater exposure to the people who line their pockets in the first place. It's damn ridiculous. I was poor growing up and this was the only way I could procure games besides borrowing from a friend.

[Nac]

Powerful? I dont know specs.

[Shikoro]

We know nothing yet. To be able to tell anything we need to know: what kind of architecture does the CPU have, what is its clock speed, cache size, which GPU does it have, number of shaders, core & memory clock, TDP and so on and so forth...

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

Totally cutting off the used game market? I seriously doubt it...

No PS3 compatibility? Again, I seriously doubt it. They will certainly have PS3 games available as downloads, like they already do.

[NewMonday]

no CELL, they would have to re-code games first.

[gaffyh]

Without the Cell included in the console, PS3 game emulation will be very difficult. This way though, you have to keep your PS3 to play some of the latest games that come out for the PS3, and buy a PS4. In previous generations I have always sold my previous consoles on before buying the next one, because the previous console became pointless.

[maniacmayhem]

They will definitely be offering ps3 games via DL. The same way ps3 is now offering ps2 games.

The Vita doesn't have a cell and can play some ps3 games. However they are pulling this off will be the same way it goes with the ps4.

[Disccordia]

The vita cannot play ps3 games. If ps4 doesn't have cell then it won't play ps3 games. the architecture is even harder to emulate than the emotion engine and.. We all know how software emulation for ps2 worked out.

Even though it sounds lame these rumours would be good. it would well and truly show that Sony have stopped being massively up their own arse by trying to create their own over complicated solutions to a problem that doesn't require it. Developers on the whole couldn't get to grips with the ps3 and in general the 360 received the better multiplats every time bar a handful of titles.

vita was a step in the right direction and this sounds promising.

[slavish]

just keep your ps3, it was made to play ps3 games!

[ExCest]

EXACTLY!

Geez people need to get with the program. Just keep your PS3 if hell comes over and you'll be able to live through the winter.

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

I plan on keeping my PS3. I've kept my PS1 and PS2 since I got them, so I really don't have a problem keeping systems. I just would like to be able to play the PS3 games I purchased on the PSN on the PS4. Ya know? 320 Gb's isn't enough, if you are an avid gamer with a relatively middle class budget.

[maniacmayhem]

***Totally cutting off the used game market? I seriously doubt it...***

Too many rumors from both camps for this not to be true. I believe they are prepping to hurt used games in some way. Which sux big time, what about back catalog games that are out of print due to being too old or low sales due to low popularity?

What about GAMEFLY??!!

I really hope Sony and MS reconsider this for their new systems.

[supremacy]

I dont know about this one guys.

However ive heard somewhere before that the number 4 isnt a good thing in japan. I hope thats not what ends up influencing Sony with their direction. In other words I hope its just a codename, god knows PlayStation 4 goes after PlayStation 3.

[dark-hollow]

They can name it something else in japan but keep the PlayStation 4 name worldwide.

Just like the nes is called famicom in japan and snes super famicom.

[Shadow Flare]

Well Metal Gear Solid 4, Gran Turismo 4, Tekken 4, Ridge Racer 4, Final Fantasy 4, Resident Evil 4, Street Fighter 4 etc. are all Japanese. They can't be that hung up on the number 4. If true, Orbis is just gonna be the code name. Sony would never name a playstation system something as crap as that

[Hayabusa 117]

Fake.

[RaidensRising]

Agreed. All these comments above and not one mentioning a possible pre-April fools prank.

How gullible.

[Hayabusa 117]

Wow, that was easy :O

[specialguest]

Officially endorsed by the late Roy Orbison. Holiday 2013? That's still a long way.

I guess for now, all I have to do is dree-e-e-e-eam, dream, dream, dream.

[EliteDave93]

Months away? id say years away. About 2-3 years.

[torchic]

I don't know about that but what we can all agree on is that there will be nothing next generation related this year from Sony.

[gypsygib]

So PS4 and 720p will be releasing at the same time...very interesting.

[slavish]

what is a 720p? 360 always referenced to degrees.

[will_c_75]

It took a long time to make gaming mainstream, now it is seen as a viable form of emtertainment, and then companies want to lock everyone out. The push for online multiplayer and less local, means everyone has to buy a copy to play. The reality is with this economy, and the entertainment freely available elsewhere, this could kill the console. A game is supposed to be fun, but they are making it a hassle. It becomes less about fun and more like work, and if that is the case, then I may as well spend my free time working overtime. I might as well get paid, instead of paying someone to frustrate me.

[Farmhand]

I know how you feel.

[2v1]

wow you speak truth

[Prototype]

I'm kind of that way with this gen; too many "online multiplayer" and "DLC" and not enough completed games or an expansion at least 6+ months after a game is released. Some games I feel are more of a chore than fun factor; and with the DLC packs it just shows they're more worried about $ than the customer.

One thing I've done since the summer of 2011 - slowed down buying newer games and started playing older ones since they were made with little to no DLC, local multiplayer, and fun to replay countless times. I bought a high profile game (Will not say to prevent fanboy backlash) and didn't complete it - why? the fun factor and charm from the newer games just isn't there anymore.

I hope dev's see this because they got where they are now by making new, fresh, interesting games.

[portugamer]

don't care if it's orbis or urbis or gladis

i want a tech monster, with 2gb of system ram, and a high end gpu.

4K support... yuuummmmmmmmmmmyyy

i remember how the first uncharted shocked me , on the ps3

i can't imagine how crazy the games will be.

i want KRATOS at 4k resolution,or perfect 1080p at 60fps, with 1 million polygons monsters, and a kratos model, with 3 million polygons.

[remanutd55]

who the hell would be able to play God of War on a 4k resolution , 1080p at 60fps with 1 million polygons monsters? you will need to have your heart check out before popping up the disc, can you imagine kratos gory at that realism? insane

[portugamer]

oh man, if it happens, i guess i will finish the game more than 10 times.

i think next gen, i will spend half of the time staring at the textures, graphics, vistas, and the other half, playing.

what santa monica did with god of war 3, was already incredible. if we can have a god of war 4 for the ps3, gow3 being a first gen, i guess they will able to optimize code, with even some guerrilla/naughty dog/sucker punch/insomniac tips and optimizations , we could have something HUGE.

i hope we will see the same difference in quality, between god of war 4 and 3, like we saw between uncharted 1 and 2. it would be great. AND we're still ON the ps3.

if the ps4 can have a god of war game, as a lineup title, GOD, i want to be alive to live it.

[360GamerFG]

Or pubis?

[yabhero]

I suppose your also prepared to pay 800-1000 dollars for it then?
1 million polygons-3million polygons= 90 dollar game

[TheGrimReaper]

"1 million polygons-3million polygons= 90 dollar game"
Nope, polys won't be the reason for higher pricing.
Ever heard of normal maps? No? google it, then come back...

Ok now you know what I mean :)

Btw: Where I am living PS3 was ~820$ when it launched. And games are about ~86$.
Yes I'd be willing to pay that much (again) if it is worth it (being worth it is highly subjective!).

[Frankfurt]

Beast PCs today can't run games at 4K. No way a console released in the next 10 years will.

1080p 60fps, maybe. In a controlled, small environment with fixed camera like God of War, it should be doable.

[krazeecain]

Depends what your definition of "Beast PC" is.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www....

This could easily play games at 4k resolution.
(Although it's way too expensive... >.>)

[tehpees3]

It sounds like some publishers are dead set against chopping used games. It seems more and more like Wii U will be the most open system next gen.

[WildStyles]

If this anti used games garbage is true, than me having my "I'm in no rush for next gen" stance is fully justified. The fact that WiiU could be the only console next gen not to have it sucks because I don't like Nintendo games. I couldn't imagine only owning a Nintendo console for the entire gen. WTF is going on?

I hope all these next gen rumors are false.

[Simon_Brezhnev]

Yeah i hope there false. If they do some antii-used game thing. Im done with console gaming.

[krazeecain]

Gaming PC's are the future.

[SuperBeast811]

and whats wrong with Nintendo??? your crapping on my child hood.........LOL whatever SEGA Genesis for life!!!

[goldwyncq]

Playstation Orbis = Playstation 360?!

[ImpliedDeception]

Disagrees be damned, I laughed.

[Masta Kaos]

Nonsense...if they eliminate used games then games should be on the PC games price tag.

[DarkBlood]

that would mean pc digital games goes cheaper ?

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Does this make any sense to anyone else?

[WitWolfy]

I agree to this statement, I call BS on the pre owned games rumour though, just wouldnt make sense from the next gen consoles business perspective. Sony doesnt give a crack if certain games are sold second hand. They already got the royalties when the customer bought the new copy to start with.

If this was a really a true then why not include a CD key on every console based game sold then already to kill the second hand market? It just doesnt make sense.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Man 2013 is shaping up to be a super bowl like E3 if this is true.

[Ulf]

Usually consoles are first announced about 1.25 - 1.5 years before they are released. This makes a LOT of sense this time around, since the Wii U will be severely damaged by the announcement of a XBox Durango and/or PS Orbis before it launches this holiday. That's exactly what Nintendo's competitors want. Five months is too little time to build up hype for a new machine, especially if your main competition (Wii U) has been running for a year already.

E3 2012 is the Superbowl, if both MS and Sony are planning on the end of 2013 for new consoles.

[OcularVision]

Really? Because most of the consoles released before 1997 had only a few months. Oh and the Xbox 360 launched like half a year after announcement.

[zero_cool]

Playstation 4 is going to have a cell like multi core cpu architecture,a real time ray tracing capable multi core gpu architecture,xdr dram 2 system ram,gddr5 vram,faster blu ray optical drive,full cloud support,advanced vr capabilities ,robust user interface ect.ect..ect...

P.S..Here's something to wet your appetites with...

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[Machioto]

Why would they have two sets of ram for the gpu & CPU when one pool of xdr or gddr5 would be fine?

@slave you don't have to buy knew wait till the price comes down.

@man Sony implemented with killzone that you could buy the game in chucks so they could expand upon that and just let the user purchase what you want .

[zero_cool]

1.Split ram isn't going to negatively effect performance or software development
2.Virtual reality is here to stay in gaming
3.Full cloud support on console will happen
4.PS3's architectural design will have an influence on playstation 4's architectural design guaranteed

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

That looks fucking stupid.

[slavish]

when will m$ and sony realize people buy used game because new games are over priced. There is no way games cost the same to make as at launch yet every game is 59.99 +tax. No yearly installment is worth that much GTFO. This is why pirating and used game exist!

[maniacmayhem]

M$ and $ony do realize this and they don't care. Which is why they are looking into stomping out used game sales.

They're a business and they want as much money as they can possibly get out of consumers.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

So far, I've heard reports that both MS and Sony are looking at using this anti-used game feature. If one of them did not use it, I guarantee you that company would win the console race next gen.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

I have no idea why anyone would disagree with slavish.

[krazeecain]

Because he mentioned pirating without spitting venom.

[smashcrashbash]

I am sorry but we have been buying games for $60.00 for years now. At what point in time did they BECOME overpriced? I always thought Sony and Microsoft were running a business not a soup kitchen. Also pirating would exist no matter how reasonable anyone was. If you think people wouldn't pirate games at any reasonable price then you are pretty deluded. People steal it because it is cheaper then anything any company out for profit could offer. It's the same reason people pirate music. No site or music company could ever trump 'free downloadable' music.

[Ray186]

Looks like it's about time for the video game industry to implode once again.

[WildStyles]

I'm not going to take these rumors at face value until it's officially announced.

I highly doubt Sony( and MS) will cut off part of their fanbase with this inept move. But if this all turns out true, I'm done with console gaming. I'm not a video game loyalist who takes everything these companies give with a smile. I'll be done with the quickness.

What you guys gotta understand is that these companies this gen have been hell bent on cutting out the used market. It's only going to get worse next gen. Hell, even if The WiiU doesn't have anti used games implemented in the system, it will still have games from companies pulling bs tactics like online passes.

Seriously, I'll be done.

[Gamer-Z]

Yeah it really does sound messed up especially for people who like to game but are on a budget. Honestly i think this would do more harm than good to the industry because it will force people to be picky and stick with only certain well known tittles making new ip's even more risky and less likely to be developed. I really don't like where this is going, consoles are turning into closed PC's. I thought i would never say this but thank god for hackers, i hope they are able to fully hack and unlock these systems in the future.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

I completely agree with you. I've been saying for years that the price of games is doing more harm than good. They would sell a ton more games if they would just make them affordable.

People are so worried about buying a crappy game that they only buy the ones they know will be good or ones their friends are going to play so it in turn makes it very difficult for game creators to create new and creative games because they're too afraid it will fail because no one will buy it because they cost too much.

[frozenfish]

Wii U? Orbis? Durango? Vita?

Who the hell is naming these things???!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

well to be fair... Orbis and Durango are code names so they aren't final product names. You could very well still see Playstation 4 as the final name. Vita is an ok name to me... Wii U just screams lazy and lacking creativity.

[360GamerFG]

This guy. . . http://homepage.smc.edu/nes...

[paybackprahl]

If new Orbis games used serial key activation in the same way that PC games do, Sony wouldn't make any money from used sales. Locking off certain game content on a used disc, and getting $10 or whatever for unlocking it, is something that benefits both Sony and new game consumers (who are free to install the game on their HDD and sell the disc back for profit).

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I would assume that for the purposes of used games that just like now if you install a game to your HDD you would be required to have the disc in the drive to play it. install the game to your HDD you need the disc as a key to play it so if you sell the game back...you can't play it off the HDD. This is where console games and pc games differ... and most likely will continue to.

[BlmThug]

Doubt its true

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I actually am starting to think this used game concept is all closer to the truth than it not being. We are now seeing smoke on this rumor from both the MS and Sony camps... and as the saying goes...where there is smoke there is usually fire.

If they do go the route of a used game play pass to unlock the game the game this also wouldn't kill off used game sales folks. Think it through... Say the cost to unlock a used game disc is between $5-10, you still could buy a game used..and then plop down the $$ to unlock it. The key is what will the unlock price be and the Gamestops of the world willingness to change their used game pricing model. Right now Gamestop sells used games for unreasonably high amounts...this would for sure force them to lower their used game prices so even with the $5-$10 fee a used game would still be cheaper than new... that is how the Gamestops and used games will survive.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

The problem is the middle man will still want money. So a used disc will still be anywhere between $40-50 + $5-$10 unlock on the disc, you'll end up spending the same for a new game Total bs.

It won't stop companies like gamestop from selling games at high prices still.

[Raoh]

There will most likely be a new name, its been discussed way back before the ps3 was even announced.

The number 4 is considered a bad luck number in japan.

Four is sometimes pronounced shi, which is also the word for death.

[padz1]

That's true actually^

[DFresh]

I'm looking forward to PS4.
Hope it stays with in a $300-$400 price range.

[yabhero]

With these specs no way. The high end range of the AMD gpus cost 450+ a 64x CPU wireless components and ram plus research and development your looking at an 800+ console

[BubloZX]

yeah but by 2013 Those high end gpus will be significantly cheaper.

[Tai_Kaliso]

Seems like they would be putting unneeded tech in the next console. TV's aren't even good enough to use those specs, it sounds like it would be expensive too, like $500-$600 expensive.

I had hoped to be able to buy all the new next gen consoles at launch this time around, but if these things are going to go for huge prices and have a bunch of unnecessary tech, I might wait.

What is the deal with the lack of backwards compatibility? I mean I don't want a ton of clutter on my entertainment system from 10 different consoles.......

I feel like these companies are starting to ignore what us, the consumer WANTS, and they are starting to force what they want on us. Which puts us gamers with our backs up against the wall. No used games, no backwards compatibility and expensive tech that there is no use for.

I definitely hope a lot of these latest rumors are false.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@Tai_Kaliso... Well, Sony is pretty well known for using the Playstation to push new tech and they did unveil their plans for the 4k tv at CES this year.

http://www.techradar.com/ne...

So... I actually buy into that rumor a little.

[ziggurcat]

tai_kaliso:

if any of those specs are true (which i doubt), it's called future-proofing.

also, there's no way there'd be anti-used game technology, so don't believe those idiotic rumours - they were fake when they started to claim the next xbox was going to have it, and it's fake this time, too.

[Kran]

If this was real.... i dont think gamers would want to buy it.

Before you start going all judgey, as powerful as it is, the fact that its trying to stop used game is... kinda wrong. I mean 1 time use per account? What if I had a brother who owned his own PSN account on my "Orbis" if you call it that, and wanted to play one of my games? He wouldnt be able to on his own account and would have to buy his own copy or simply watch me play it (kinda no fun in that). Kind of wrong if you ask me. And I cant let my friends borrow my games.

:/

And I WISH it would be backwards compatible. It means I cant trade in my PS3 to get this either, because then I wouldnt be able to play PS3 games that are still worth playing.

[kingme71]

I play a ton of games through Gamefly that I never would have played if I didn't have it. I can easily pop it in the mail next day if it isn't a good game. Because of this, I discovered some good series that I would not have bought for $60.00, then I go out and buy the sequel. Sounds like a good business model for the publisher and console makers. If they remove this by restricting game installs, I'll find entertainment elsewhere. Don't really want to spend a few hundred a month on games.

[kma2k]

fellow gamefly member & i agreee with you!

[BattleTorn]

It's most likely a codename, like Durango is.

But I can't help but say this the following:

What's 360? A complete rotation.

What's a complete rotation around the sun? An Orbit

I can't be the only person thinking '360' when they read 'Orbit', am I?

[TheGrimReaper]

I've thought about Riemann surfaces when I read Orbit (in holomorphic dynamical systems).
Most common representation of such a surface is the first added image. The second image shows the original PS logo.
THEY SHARE THE SAME COLOURS! It has to be true!!!

;)

[TopDudeMan]

Yeah, remember when everyone thought the PS Vita was gonna be called NGP?

[kma2k]

Think about it from a business perspective, they want to charge as high a price as they can without people revolting! We all know graphics cannot make the same leap as they did to this gen so microsoft/sony is gonig to be hard pressed to explain why the new system will cost $500 at launch. How do you divert focus from pricing? Start rumors in the industry about something that will really piss people off if you did like stop used games from being played, get people debating about it, then when you announce your console you make a big deal about how it can play used games still & throw in almost as an afterthought that its going to cost $500. Its smart marketing, people will be so relaved that it will play used games they will almosot forget the fact that there gettting screwed in pricing. You will actually see consumers say the words "well im not happy that its going to cost so much, but at lest i can play used games ill buy it on release day"

[Drithe]

No , you will not play used games on the PS4. It prevents used games from being played on it.

[tachy0n]

funny how people want the ps4 to cost below $500 and yet they want it to do 4k resolution gaming....

[guitar_nerd_23]

I'm fine with no used games as long as new ones are cheaper just like PC games really.

Backwards compatibility is nearly always crap anyway- play Parappa the Rapper on your PS3 and see what I mean- horrible lag.

[M83_]

I would be fine with no used games as long as they're significantly cheaper .
But it should have backwards compatibility. I'd be disappointed if I couldn't play uncharted or god of war 3 every once in a while. I know I will keep my ps3 but I would move it to another room as a blu ray player because I don't want more clutter around my tv.
You can understand why people still want bc.

[TenkoTAiLS]

Granted by the time it comes out the PC will have moved up to the next set of graphics cards, but that tech they mentioned would still be reasonably new. Meaning in a console, that would make the system excessively expensive again. Sony still haven't learned their lesson. Launching systems at high prices the average consumers can't afford to spend on a whim (especially in this day and age) is not doing them any favors :/

[M83_]

I hate the sound of orbis. I think the vita changed names only because psp 2 was a mouthful.
I might like a name change for PS4 but I don't see it as highly likely.
If I were to chose a different name for the PS4 I would want to be called the PSX because I stupidly think it sounds kinda cool. Plus, you could justify the name because of the whole 10 year life cycle.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

PSX already exists...

[M83_]

I know it does but was that only released in Japan?
Anyway it wasn't really a new console just a hybrid between one and a DVD player.

[Captain Tuttle]

The name "Orbis" is the least interesting thing about this rumor.

[Sevir]

It seems that both these next gen consoles see will all be in line with PC's right now which really isn't ground reaking considering New GPUs are out every 3 months showing improving honestly I'd like to be Wow much like i was when movig from PS2 to PS3. i want to seem a Full generational leap not a more refined upgraded console! I'll wait for the move into Next gen I need convincing because it seems these consoles are now showing the full potential.

[Ulf]

"New GPUs are out every 3 months"

The difference between the last round of PC GPUs and the current has been over a year, and the next round (20nm) is not due for a couple more years, at least.

Semiconductor tech is reaching its physical limits. Don't expect PCs to affordably see speed increases past the next few years. You cannot expect the tech world to just keep striding forward as it has for the past few decades. At a certain point, the laws of physics simply cannot be avoided any longer.

At fabrication sizes below 20nm, the laws of physics governing electron loss change drastically (actually this was first noticed around 90nm) -- most of the power just plain gets released as heat, and the temperatures (and power requirements) simply become too much for the materials available.

That particular problem isn't going away anytime soon. There are some 14nm, and even 10nm, concepts, but they are still a ways off (they require a complete re-thinking as well, so chips not originally designed at that scale can't really be "shrunk" easily to that scale), and they may not be feasible in the livingroom, without liquid cooling, etc., at all.

At the end of the next 10 years, you'll be *lucky* to be able to have a PC that is somewhat more capable than a high-end gaming PC of today. It'll be better, sure, but the difference won't be anywhere *near* as substantial as it is between consoles and PCs today.

[yabhero]

Dude you obviously did not read the specs. Those specs are similar to those of a high end PC's this console would cost over 800 dollars. The the thing YOUR talking would ever be considered for consoles until next gen earliest. A 7950 gpu and a high clocking amd CPU with enough ram is already too expensive. What are you expecting a super computer console?

[CashColeTrain1337]

Just sounds like a way for Kotaku to get more hits.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Sorry, but if either MS or Sony implement an anti-used game feature on their console, I'm not going to even bother buying a console. I'll stick with my trusty PC.

Like others have said, Gamefly is a must in order to play games. They're just too damn expensive otherwise. This anti-used game feature would kill Gamefly, which in turn means I'm not buying their console.

[one2thr]

At the people with the negativety towards "cell" think of it like this:
Cell = Fastest Pick up truck known
Power7 = Bugatti Veyron
Power7 can get to the punch line faster than the cell, yes...
But what if we add a "load" of some sort, then the power7(bugatti) would have to take multiple trips, but carrying a small load... As to the fast pick up (cell), can carry the load in one trip while being fast in its class, without ever needing to do multiple trips for the same load, which means it'll have less mileage under the hood compared to said bugatti (power7)... Get it?...

[johnsonbat]

Ultimately the specs mean diddly unless they release topline software.

[Muffins1223]

They also have anti used game in it....guess sony fans cant troll the next xbox for that reason anymore :\

[Drithe]

If I cant play used games, I will skip this system.

[portal_2]

Early April fools which will conclude on 1st April?

I hope Sony reveal something soonish...

[joeyisback]

was readen and the next xbox is supposed to have anti used games to also i dont mind a ps4 if it offers way more also i hope u can play games on different accounts not just the one psn account also full game downloads hopefully on release date also at midnight local time not 12 pst also maybe the vita xmb

[LFC1EE]

The sooner the better, this gen is looking old and tired!

[LakerGamerEnthusiast]

I dont believe this one bit. no used Game compatibility? need an online account to be able to play the game?? really?? NO Ps3 backwards compatibility either? First of all, Not all people can afford New games, second of all, not Everyone has an online account because they don't have internet, or simply don't bother to make one because they don't want to mess with the system. And as for BC, May be they wont maybe they will but I honestly think they will because there are some GREAT ps3 games out there and There are going to be some people out there come Launch time that will sell there Ps3 for the Ps4. So there gonna want BC. Idk, I don't believe this much.

I would like to add an idea I thought of for the Ps4, How bout adding a multiple Disc Tray so that you can simply switch games inside the console from the controller? this would be pretty neat for when your at Bed or your Tv is far away lol just a thought

[360ICE]

Specs sound nice, and no backwards compability is ok, but the no-used games policy seems terrible. Please don't, Sony.

[hadouken007]

If they do this i see no need for dlc,online pass,ect. There raping us enough.

[No_Pantaloons]

I will not buy any system that blocks used games, period. If I bought something its mine, and I can do anything I want with it. They have no right to control how its used, f them, I'm sick to death of them thinking they're entitled to anything. That's not how commodities work, send em a message people.

[360ICE]

OK, that's not really how the world works. Nor any market anywhere. I mean region locks, copy-locks, this isn't new. But it is a step too far I'll give you that. And I'd like for the industry to be more liberal.

[teto83]

i can only imagine this conversation happening in the sony headquarters...

Sony: Hey, the psvita isn't selling very well, and it's time for the next generation of home consoles, what should we do?

Playstation team: How about we screw our clients with no backwards compatibility, and used games restriction?

Sony: That's and excellent idea! That will probably sell millions of units, you should call it, screw videogames and consumers.

Playstation team: Nah, we'lll just call it Orbis.

[NotSoSilentBob]

If this turns out to be true then you can beg for the price of PS3 at launch since this will be 2-3 times as much. Kotaku always making stuff up.

[swishersweets20031]

i would pay extra for a backwards compat ps4.

[BitbyDeath]

If they're not using Cell again then it'd make sense that BC would not work.

[KingItachi]

Taking this with a grain of salt and if any of the big three use anti used games tech I will not support them.

[Redcrimson101]

Vita, was a dumb name that doesnt make any sense and let alone has nothing to do with a psp. Orbit, is even worse. Sony are terrible with names. Just stick to ps4 a psp2 like they should've been called.

One thing I do commend Sony on, is that they always make the best hardware. The ps3 is pretty powerful, and so is the vita behind it. I like the fact that Sony is thinking ahead and the ps4 will run in resolutions at 2163, or something like that. I wonder if Ms is going to do the same?

[StitchJones]

I will not get screwed over again by Sony. Their time has come and gone.

[joeorc]

Have people really already forgotten this:

"Kazuo Hirai To Put Sony Back on Top With a New Approach"

With the newly appointed title of President and CEO of Sony, Kazuo Hirai is ready to put Sony back on top. Hirai’s plans will bring things consumers will find beneficial, but most importantly, the CEO plans to advance Sony to a level the company should have been at years ago, while cutting product costs at the same time.

Hardware That is listed as the Spec's for Orbis?

Do some Gamer's really think that would be

"while cutting product costs at the same time."

"Kazuo Hirai intends to bring new ideas focused on software and services rather than continuing on Sony’s past successes. But, that’s not all; he’s ready to make Sony products reasonably cheaper. Kazuo Hirai has admitted that the tasks of putting Sony back on top will not be easy, but he is definitely ready to make the changes necessary to reinvent the brand. As recently reported by the Wall Street Journal, cutting costs is a big deal for Kazuo, and he wants to move quickly with these plans. “We can’t just continue to be a great purveyor of hardware products.” Hirai’s goal is to centralize and unify decision making on new products rather than allowing individual units to make their own decisions."

http://www.tqcast.com/2012/...

If the PSVita is a good indication of direction's Sony is Taking, I would Say IF ARM SOC's is good enough for Apple with the iPhone and iPad, An Microsoft with Windows 8 for LapTops, Smartphones and Tablets with XBL Integration.

I do not think it would Hurt Sony in creating a very Viable Game system for the Living room gaming that's Not only full HD, but much cheaper to design, manufacture cool the systems internal Heat. And Cost much less for the Consumer to purchase.

Instead of PC parts im inclined more to think that Sony's has had its more than fair share of straight Losses to Avoid such a situation onward.

[Rah5er0]

It's not gonna be called Orbis, it'll be called "Please Play Me", and you'll be able to control it with your mind..WTF??!????????

[Double_O_Revan]

There is no way a system would lock out used games. Sony and Microsoft wouldnt do this anyway, unless theyre stupid. Thats just asking for it to fail.

I dont sell my games, but could you imagine what would happen if a game was locked to a system and we ran into another 360 RRoD situation? I'm on my 5th xbox. Transferring my licenses each time would be a royal pain in the ass, if even possible. o.O

[dboyman]

A friend of mine recently told me Companies in attempt to control piracy like what they plan to do, plus with increased game prices and dlc,if they push too much will alienate and anger consumers. Also many will stop buying said products. Some people can't afford to buy a new game @ $60, and find used games they buy as affordable depending on said deal (not refering to Gamestop)..With incomes becoming less disposable, people have less to spend.

He is now collecting older games when "games were good before greedy dlc and online passes BS (aka PS2 era and before), and barely goes for any new games. He believes games companies GREED is ruining gaming.

Again this is what he believes. I myself not sure what to believe yet...

[StoneAgeWarfare]

ah shit i cant by used games to try them out :(, there better be demons for most games so i can try them and make my mind if I'm gonna drop like $69.99 for new games

[shackdaddy]

So since SONY isn't announcing their new console this E3(already confirmed) then that means they are announcing it E3 2013, right?

That means, based on this rumor, that SONY will release their console within 6 months of their announcement - something that has never been done before.

Ya, that sounds totally believable >_>

[josephayal]

TAKE MY MONEY!

[dc1]

Yes. Take my money!

I will be waiting in line for this.. much like I did for the PS2.

[Vickistheman]

Locking out used games is a dumb idea. What if your system croaks? Will you have to rebuy the game?

Sony and MS can't be this stupid to be even considering this.

[Mrmagnumman357]

Their were a lot of mistakes in this article, let me correct them. First off, southern island gpu's aren't all high end. They are AMD's most recent gpu's, and they are low end- to high end gpu's. The PS4 will not be powerful enough to have 4K resolution on modern games. I expect it to have a radeon 7770, or maybe a 7850. It will be better then the 360 most likely, but not up to par with pc.

[Kingscorpion1981]

7850 is a beast though I'm really enjoying it!!!

[Mrmagnumman357]

Well, i know the 6850 was a good card, but was more mid range. The 7850 may be more powerful though. Also, on my first post i meant to say it will be better then the xbox 720 most likely.

Still though, the 7850 is a great card, before i got a GTX 570, i was looking into getting a 6870, which had impressive price to performance ratio.

[PirateThom]

Considering Vita is a Latin word for "Life", I can imagine "Orbis" as it's also a Latin word meaning "World".

[KontryBoy706]

If some of you don't remember last gen "sources" said the PS3 was capable of doing games at 1080p at 120fps. Yes they said that Go Google it. Dont forget the infamous Tekken trailer at launch when they said you would be able to see the pores in Jin's skin IN-GAME and sweat spraying off as he threw punches. That shit never happened and it was all hype. I refused to believe what they are saying in this article about 4X the resolution and 1080p 3D all these things. Just show us the tech demo and in game grapics. Then I'll listen.

[PirateThom]

It was actually Kutaragi who said 1080p at 120fps...

Games ran at 1080p, SuperStarDust HD ran at 120fps in 3D mode.

[dboyman]

I believe Ken stated that originally when The PS3 was in its intended setup, with multiple cell processors and hdmi outs, before it was scaled back I believe...

[DruePhoenix]

Right, just like the Gamecube was the Dolphin, the 360 was the Xenon, and the Wii was the Revolution.

Definitely gonna be the name on the box.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

It doesn't block used games.

The specs are only a little better than the PS3.

So many rumors, so many of them false.

[pandehz]

Its an early April Fools joke gone bad.

[telekineticmantis]

Long time console gamer, but unless one of these next gen consoles are upgradable like PCs i;m not wasting hundreds of dollars to feel the way I feel now, while I'm looking at a game Like Planetside 2, that's not possible on consoles. Nope not doing it again.

[cliffyboy21]

if theses rumors are true i wont be looking forward to a ps4 for a very long time!

[NovusTerminus]

Well, if they ditch the Cell I can understand why it wont play PS3 games.

BUT STILL!

[ziggurcat]

considering kotaku's "sources" aren't right any time, i'm calling BS on this - especially the anti-used games nonsense; there's simply no way that MS or sony would implement such a ridiculous feature as too many other businesses other than gamestop/EB games would be relying on "used" copies to generate revenue (i.e. any business that rents games).

they even cite pastebin as one of their "sources"... lol, good job, kotaku.

@ lordme:

they're not abandoning the cell in the next playstation.

[Jamaicangmr]

I hope they aren't ditching Nvidia bcuz BC is a big deal for early adapters who usually suffer from software droughts in the early stages. While a Radeon 7000 GPU sounds amazing, it's highly unlikely as the console would cost 2 kidneys and heart. Not to mention this anti used game tom foolery Im hoping bullshit this sounds terrible.

Just reading that had me thinking of a new hobby.

[slutface]

Can Sony sue Kotaku for making these salacious rumors

[BoNeSaW23]

So kotaku is just throwing out random fake Intel and N4G prematurely explodes all over it again? It is kotaku people! You should know better!

[UncleRukusNoRelation]

I will not buy it if that anti-used game rumor is true

[Broncos98]

The anti-used game feature I highly doubt that will ever happen.

[jdklaffke]

Sony is definitely going after 3rd party publishers to make this system the best of next-gen. They've surely learned from the PS3 that games matter first and foremost, although it took a few years to get really good exclusives out. They need them start, middle, and finish to have a strong console. It's always about the games!

But personally, I think I'm going to go with PC and WiiU for the 8th generation.

[danthebios]

orbis brings out the obesity in you....Yup i agree, change that name,dont use it.

[SlaughterMeister]

If true, I will refer to it as "Roy" when I power it up.

...As in, Orbis, on...

Nevermind.

[Conzul]

Yeah......if there's no model with BC then I probably won't buy in. Gaming PC will be just fahn.

[sly-Famous]

Stealth troll >:(

[Conzul]

LOLWUT?

I was being serious.... :P

[sly-Famous]

Specs goooood, name sh!t

[hazelamy]

if they lock out preowned games they can shove that machine up their stupid bloated arse.

[Drithe]

Check out my blog. It says it all about what the greed of Sony could cost.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[ritsuka666]

Sony...
When will you learn? For a game company, you don't seem to understand gamers very well, do you? Sigh...

[EffectO]

"Right now, programmers are pretty much looking at it and comparing the two consoles like one is a high-end gaming PC and the other's a piece of shit eMachines unit from Walmart's $200 special (including monitor)."

haha,it would be hilarious if PS4 turns out on par with WiiU

Sony diehards would melt in a second

[Droid Control]

This will destroy the second hand market. That means there is no point in buying games on a disc anymore. Might as well download everything.

Shame about the loss of PS3 backwards compatibility. I expected as much when I heard they had abandoned the Cell ofr something by AMD.

Still, we should be able to re-buy our Quantic Dream games via PSN at some point...

Also, with Orbis releasing around the same time as the 720, we should get a fair fight for once. No head starts, (PS2 had 2 years lead on the xbox and the 360 had a year on the PS3)

[tigertron]

I doubt Sony would be stupid enough to lock one game per account. No backwards compatibility is possible, but it would suck if we couldn't play our old titles...

The rest of it sounds true though - the high end ATI GPU and devs receiving dev kits.

If the anti-used game measures are real then it would seriously damage the pre-owned market and hurt sales. Many of us buy pre-owned games. I admit I don't really buy used games but I still want the option to. If thats the case then I definately won't buy a PS4 at launch, I'll just wait for numerous price drops. If the rumour is false then I'll buy a PS4 much sooner. Fingers crossed that its not true.

[C0MPUT3R]

It's a "PASS SYSTEM", used games will still exist. Read the article.
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3rd Party Publishers are obviously putting pressure on the platform holders for this system.
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We pretty much have this system in place currently with the "ONLINE PASS" it now just applies to all games.
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A 2012 AMD GPU in a closed system will be powerful.
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1080p 3D gaming, guarantees 1080P 60FPS Full HD = Awesome.

[NateCole]

I will most likely not buy a PS4 if there is no BC and an internet connection is required.

I don't really care about the used games as i don't buy used games in anycase for me personally.

If there is no BC and no used games then i do expect the price of the PS4 to be much cheaper $399 and games to be $50. If not then i will most likely retire from gaming. I have been playing games for over 26 years of my 32 years of life. It hasen't really been as fun as before when i was young and had time.

[SecretPsycho]

When it says link to a psn account...does that mean you can't play on side accounts on the console?

Or did i just read wrong?

[STGuy1040]

That is correct. The game would only work on one PSN account.

[SecretPsycho]

That's messed up.

[STGuy1040]

First of all, games are sold on read-only media. The ONLY way Sony could 'lock' games to a PSN account would be to 1.) use a serial number and 2.) install the entire game to the system's HDD like a PC game. This means the game would only be playable if you had access to the PSN account the serial number is attached to. We can all say 'goodbye' to used games if Sony decides to take this approach.

[nitrogav]

A quick look at AMD's web site and graphic cards and if rumours are true , Orbis might have this inside .

http://www.amd.com/us/produ...

[tigertron]

Sounds pretty awesome (from a non-teckie's point of view)

When it says 'minimum system requirements' could that mean the PS4 would have atleast 4GB of memory?

The AMD GPU could be modified for consoles though.

[youreallwrong]

OK, let's clear a few things.

The used-games block will be for online only. So to the person saying it will require discs to be writable, they won't be. It'll send off some unique code on the disc marking it as being 'used'.

You can hand the game to your pal and they'll still be able to play the offline features.

It is basically like what he have now with Online Pass etc, but a fully integrated solution rather than having fragmented solutions.

I would also wager that it will be optional for the devs to use.

The only downside is those who like to play across multiple accounts on the same machine - how will this work if tied to one account?

To those saying we don't even have 4k yet - PC GPUs can current output this resolution, but yet good luck running a game at that resolution.

To those saying TVs aren't even 2k yet - 2k & 4k refers to the horizontal resolution, not vertical like 1080p. 1920x1080 is practically 2k.

To those moaning there is no BC - get a grip and keep your PS3. I bet you didn't moan when your VHS collection became obsolete.

If you moan you want to sell your PS3 to fund a PS4 then tough luck. I can't afford a Ferrari unless I save up, so, so what.

[ATi_Elite]

Reading that article............sounds like the PS4 will be a bona fide PC!

AMD CPU
AMD GPU
XDR Ram
Serial Key Games (No Used Games)
Online Game activation
4096x2160 resolution

Muaha hah ah ahha haha The Circle is Complete!

[Legionaire2005]

I expect that PS4 would be cheaper and more affordable, cause Cell and Blu Ray has been out as long as PS3. I think it would be price at $400 hundred or hopefully $350 at launch. What justify the price is the graphic chip and etc.

[DJLB2115]

i must agree w homeboy; the PC is for porn. And PS3 can even do that!

[Ck1x]

For Sony to base ps4 off graphic chips that probably haven't even come out yet would mean that this will once again be a very expensive playstation system to buy. Specially if it is to believed that its actually coming out in 2013! This might be the nail in sony's console coffin if these rumors have any truth at all...

[youreallwrong]

You contradict yourself, or rather, answered your own question.

The GPU isn't out yet you claim, but then say the PS4 isn't out until 2013. By which time, what, you're expecting the GPU to still not be out?

Just because it isn't out yet doesn't mean it can't be in the PS4. And if you then go 'well it isn't out yet so it will be super-expensive', nonsense. They make brand new budget GPUs all the time, they aren't hundreds of notes a piece.

Don't associate being unreleased with being top of the line or very expensive.

[Ck1x]

If you know your terminology the article simply states southern island graphic chip! That could mean based on anything, from something that's out now coming out next month or later in the year. But the gpu is not the only cost to designing a console so my claim to it being an expensive system is looking at more than just cpu and gpu counterparts! You fans need to do some homework and actually learn what goes into making a full product and what effects the bottom line cost to Sony...

[Mikhail]

I understand the difficulty of PS3 BC on the next gen console. The RSX and the Cell is difficult to emulate. Having a high end desktop, emulation is possible only up to Wii games. So imagine how much power it needs to emulate the PS3 games. Of course, there is a solution for this and that is putting ps3 hardware on the "orbis". TO ensure full BC, they need to add the customize RSX AND the CELL in the "orbis".

For the used game restriction, just like the "Durango", I say BS on it. Online Pass is a good restriction for me.

Upon reading the article, it seems like a compilation of rumors for the PS4 and combined it with rumors from Durango. Historically speaking, only one of those rumors would be true.

[lilmetal]

April Tricks...?

[Elvis]

Orbis has no gaems.

[portugamer]

if sony goes amd for the ps4, maybe they could use a cheap cell(they bought cell plants..), to keep BC.

then, they could use the amd tech, to upscale games, to 4K, or 2K, or 120 fps, or whatever.

anyway, when the ps4 is released, for example, during 2013, the ps3 may be sold until 2016.

do you guys realize today, 2012, with a 6 years old ps3, the ps2 is still selling WELL, everywhere ?

why would sony bother with BC on ps4, when the ps3 will still be there, for maybe 99$ ?

if the ps4 is released during 2013, we still have the time for another generation of games, for example, naughty dog could make a uncharted 4 for the ps3, we could have a god of war 5, a little big planet 3, infamous 3, many many many many games could be released for the ps3, until the ps4 is released. it means when the ps4 is released, people will be able to buy a ps3, for really cheap, and HAVE an insane catalog of great games, for a few $.

if they keep the BC, using a cell, they could sell hundreds of ps3 games, by the psn. would you buy a uncharted 2, for 9.99$, on the psn, for the ps4 ? why not.

if there is no BC on the ps4, we can still buy a ps3, or even 2 or 3, for cheap, so we are sure we will be able to play our ps3 games, until 2020 or 2025.

if they go "ps4 always connected", to check the games, etc, for those who whine and say they won't buy a ps4, sony could simply include a sim card, on the ps4, that would just call their systems, once a month, and send some data, like games played, etc, to keep the console connected to sony.

your ps4 gets hacked, and you're happy, playing your games, offline, suddenly, the sony servers will make a request, on the consoles database, and will do a broadcast, like a wake on lan, and your little hacked ps4 will call sony, and say "my firmware is hacked, what can i do", and the sony servers will send a command to these hacked ps4 "trash the hacked firmware, and display the message-please connect your ps4 to internet".

and there you have, your hacked console will stop working, unless you connect it to the internet, and download a good firmware, that will reset all the hacks.

don't know about you, guys, do you think this could be possible, on the ps4, the simm card used to contact sony ?

i think it could be possible.

and for the guys who says not everyone have an internet connection, in 2 years, if you have the money to buy a ps4, you have the money to buy a phone. and believe me, in 2 years, everybody will be able to share the internet connection, on the phone, and mount a wifi hotspot.

anyway, i'll be happy if sony can build a ps4 with some multi cells. but if they go amd, with a dual 8 core processors, and a 79xx card, with sli, and 3x2 gb of ram, i would be happy too.

people say the highend cards cost 500$. ok, YOU pay that price,but shops maybe pay them 300$. and resellers pay them 250$. maybe they cost 50$ to amd.
as an example, i bought a av amplifier, a onkyo 609. it comes with a ton of features, power, etc, and it costs 300$. 2 years ago, products like that costed 1500$.

maybe if sony orders 30 million amd gpu, it will cost less than 100$, while people play, at stores, 500 or more $.

anyway, i can't wait to have a ps4, even if it costs 800$, i will save during 12 months and buy it. and while i wait, many great games will be released, like god of war 4, the last of us, and hundreds more.

it's so fo-king good, to be a gamer, in 2012. thanks GOD, for giving me health and a little cash, so i can go on with my passion :)

[youreallwrong]

PS4 will not be 'always connected', for the reason it won't be downloadable games only, or streaming games only. They've previously said - officially - whilst it might be something they'd like to to, they can't because of the state of the internet in the territories they sell in.

[KumquatGOATBEEF]

If this is true, I'm not console gaming anymore.

I already buy less games now than I did four years ago because game companies are so into DLC and extra features that you have to buy, and nowadays it seems like they actually hold back on releasing content with a game just so they can release it as DLC later. I mean, Activision even has a TV ad for their map pack for COD3!

Used sales are a part of every industry. It makes me laugh that game companies are b******* and moaning about how they're losing sales to the used game market and they're so quick to put OTHER people out of business while trying to save their own a$$es (GameFly, Gamestop, etc.).

Well, f*** 'em. Time to move on from console gaming. When companies have this much control over their medium it just becomes one big monetary scam.

[DevilishSix]

well said brother!

[arbitor365]

"orbiz" sounds like a flouride supplement

im sure its just the code name. there is no way they will go from playstation to playstation 2 to playstation 3 to orbiz.

the thing im worried about is the universal online pass system they might be integrating. granted, its not as bad as how the next xbox wants to eliminate used games entirely, but it still will prevent me from purchasing the console. please dont do this, sony.

[listenkids]

Nintendo Dolphin - Gamecube
Project Café - Wii U
Project Natal - Kinect

To name a few.

Though this seem's possible, the fact they would jump straight into the digital market when the world isn't ready for it makes this less than likely.