Why PS3's power will shine in 2008: Leading devs reveal PS3's untapped potential

Fallout 3's Executive Producer Todd Howard - from Oblivion developer Bethesda - understands that PS3 "has more than enough power. No single game is using it all yet - not even close". Back at E3 in July '07, Mercenaries 2 Lead Designer Scott Warner claimed their game was only using 30% of PS3's power - while EA's Chief Visual Officer Glenn Entis claimed their launch games like Fight Night 3 only tapped 20%. The figures sound hokum, but it wasn't until five years into PS2's life cycle that games tapped even 90% of its power - a statistic measured by Sony's Performance Analyser tools, yet to be released on PS3.

[Maddens Raiders]

but I've felt the same way since 11/17/2006. This machine is indomitable.

@below - nothing like devs giving the 'ol PS3 high praise that will bring out the "best" N4G has to offer on a (((PlayStation only))) thread; no less. lol

All kidding aside though, this is the best next-generation console on the market and everyone knows it. It's not my fault Kojima called the PS3 a movie theatre and the 360 a DVD.

BTW guys in relation to games, I've got plenty to keep my busy...sorry, try again. 8D

[toughNAME]

wasn't the PS3 supposed to shine 11/17/2006?

I mean we saw articles like this same time last year about shining in 07

How about you get back to work on those games Sony? *without delays please*

EDIT - so along with a PS3, you bought LAIR??
talk about buying into the hype...I don't know who Kojima is...but I'm guessing he wears the pants?

[Achievement Unlocked]

games? please? no delays? really?

but on the real. bias aside. i know zero people who got a ps3 for chrimbo, but 4 of my best friends got 360's and a years xbl account for xmas.

i personally know one person who owns a ps3. out of the dozens that i associate with.

[NEO_X]

Much props to you much props

[gamesR4fun]

Gabe (lol couldnt help it)
yeh teh ps triple is where its at the only thing M$ can do know is jump the gun on their next platform. (wouldnt be surprised to see Bill make the announcement soon)

Lets face it ps3 owners already have the best games you can get and its only starting...
MSG4 FF13 are going to raise the bar again guarantied. And with devs like Insomniac saying there just getting warmed up well what can I say ps3 ftw...

[nevelo07]

love the collection man, i see you got some blu-rays in there, dont you hate when people try and say there is no differance in the video and sound quality from regular dvd, my buddy who is 360 fanboy tries to tell me there isn't a difference, its like night and day man with a nice tv and surround sound, what kind of tv you got, I GOTTA 56 INCH 1080P DLP SAMSUNG and everything looks excellent.

[El_Colombiano]

It's great to see people leaving the last gen scene, and to make it seem fair, I have three friends that bought a PS3 and two cousins who bought a PS3, but I don't know anybody who bought a 360...maybe it's a location thing...I'm down in Florida btw...

[Achievement Unlocked]

yea your right. it could possibly be a location thing.

here in north carolina, i really barely ever see a ps3. back at school my roomate has a ps3. the other one has a 360.

but like i said i know no one who got a ps3 for xmas, while a lot got 360's.

[travelguy2k]

But why 2 copies?

[TANOD]

LAIR is a next gen game.

LAIR has over 15000 enemies per screen . LAIR has the best graphics after Crysis and Uncharted

as for PS3's power show me anything on any other console that comes remotely close to UNCHARTED??

nothing comes close not even PS3's other games.

show me something that is as intensive as HS ---1000 enemies per screen

You can show me anything cuz there is none

[MK_Red]

travelguy2k, Great catch :)
Good question. Indeed, why 2 Resistances?

[Shankle]

And why two motorstorms as well?

[IntelligentAj]

@1.2

So how many people are in the country you live in? I'm guessing a couple of hundred million. So that means you know maybe what less than a hundredth of the population. Yeah nobody got a PS3 christmas**end sarcasm**

[socsca]

Why two Resistance?
Why two Motorstorm?

both great games by any account, I own both, but I wouldn't buy them twice...

And why no games for your xbox? Did you mod it, install all your games on a 120 Gb HDD and then trade em in for 2 extra controls plus a steering wheel? I dunno, seemed like a good (though morally questionable) idea when I did it. I was a poor student at the time, so...

[gta_cb]

JUST wondering so PLEASE correct me if im wrong but why does your picture of the PS3 and the Xbox 360 controller in the background have a date of 01/02/2004? is it something like the time on your camera re-set itself when running out of battery? lol im am pretty sure they was released at the end of 2005 (xbox 360) and end of 2006 (PS3-USA) :p

[Maddens Raiders]

anyway...

@
1.1 - Have you ever played LAIR? No? Ok. Why are you concerned w/ what ((I)) buy?

1.2 - For as many people as you say you don't know own a PS3 I have 5 accounts full with 250 friends (just since launch) that would disagree and I wonder how many of those people you do know also want a PS3 as well. (I'm going to have to buy another one. lol)

1.3 & 1.5 - Thanks guys. Thanks to God really. btw there are so many more not shown and on PSHDD. These pics are old already.

To everyone else thanks for the agrees and also the reason for two games on two PS3's is for a double barreled approach to serious WarHawking, Motorstorming, Resisting and soon...KILLZONING, and Gran Turismoing. Gotta get my Tekken skillz up before I.... lol

[Polluted]

Dude! Was that "Charles Barkley's Shut Up and Jam" on the bottom? Lol. Can we be friends?

[ALItheWISE]

Im a good friend of maddens so i will answer a question he overlooked. The reason he has two of alot of those games is because he has two ps3's so when we want to play motorstorm or warhawk (we are screen hawgs) we each have our own screens...

Edit: MY BAD HE DID ANSWER........BUT HE LIKES TO LOOK AT MY SCREEN

[cartman313]

God, why do you Xbox fans come in here and use an old excuse that is no longer valid. "Games, ps3 has no games!" Seriously, how many Xbox360 games do you all own? I have 13 Ps3 games(Not including PSN games), and I enjoy them all.

[JsonHenry]

Well, I'm waiting. Lets see it!!

[Tryst]

toughName: are you plain stupid. Sony's studios have thus far delivered on time. Hell, Rachet and Clank and Uncharted were released a week early. Its the dumb devs used to program on the Xbox that have problems and delay.

[Bubble Buddy]

nevelo 2004 ps3?

plus idunno if i should get nba 2k8. i have 2k7 for ps2, and the demo for sk8 made me want it badly, but it's 60 bucks, u think it's worth getting it?>

[SSCOOLCHEA]

DELAYS - I dont worry about delays there are so many freakin games out there go pick up one until that one comes out .
NO GAMES - For me personally this is reatarded because I own ratchet , warhawk , heavenly sword , uncharted , nba 08 , mlb the show , eye , motorstorm , bowling , madden --- if this isnt enough games for my 30 yr old ass ...( you have to get laid once a day you know )

people that have a ps3 know what they have on hand so as long as im happy who gives a shil about you

[lynx1halo]

No single game is using it all yet - not even close”........................ .........enough said

[MK_Red]

From Todd Howard, developer of highly anticipated Fallout 3 that more than a few PS3 fans disliked.
Hopefully we get to see those words in action as quality of their games.

[Marceles]

PS3 fans don't like Fallout 3?? Where's a loaf of bread so I can hit them over the head with it.

My honest opinion is that from what I've seen of each system's strenghts, the PS3's games have a certain look to them that doesn't look like other games. Ratchet doesn't look like another game, Heavenly Sword...they all give PS3 personality. When I see Wii games, those have personality as well. Xbox fans don't take this the wrong way, but Xbox games look like PC games. I'm not saying they don't look great at all, I'm just saying that the games don't look like anything we couldn't see on a PC. I wouldn't expect Heavenly Sword or a Mario Galaxy type game to be ported to PC since they have their own personality...alot of 360 exclusive games on the other hand look like PC games. I hope someone is following me out there...PS3 and Wii has it's own look that define their games, Xbox games looks like they all can be PC ports...I'm not saying that the Xbox is limited, and I'm not saying that a first party PS3 game can be ported to a PC and handle it...but PS3's games are looking really good and original at the moment

[nice_cuppa]

so by his own logic this applies to 360 and wii too.

fanboys + logic = limp.

edit.
i see disagree's.

anyone care to man up and explain ?

[Achievement Unlocked]

if such a thing were to happen it may tear existence into shreds.

[travelguy2k]

same logic applies to the 360 as its achitecture is based on the PC so there was no learning curve. They make games for both systems the same way.

Edit: Thats why all developers say the 360 is so easy to develop for, because its the same as they have been doing for years.

And the same goes to developers that say the PS3 hardware is difficult. because its new and different. What worked before does not work for the PS3.

[bizi6498]

you might want to call tech support.

[Lord_Mike]

360 and Wii is so easy to develop for, devs max its capabilities in it's first year. Hence no game on 360 looks better than Gears as of now. Your logic is retarded.

Buy a PS3, you will feel better.

[hardcorehippiez]

xbox 360 will be dropped and the whole process will start again with the 720 ? so all xbox owners will be forced to upgrade again and i know i for 1 dont want to have to update my gaming console as often as my pc . thats why i play games on a console , because it has a good long life for games .

[Shankle]

Really not news, just the same thing being said again. I wanna see a developer come and prove what's possible on it. Until then I'll enjoy what I have.

[mesh1]

YEAH PS3 NEEDS TAP INTO its own bum hole and the result will be a pile of poo as always ,also i here ppl say uncharted hahahahahahaha their are multi platform games that put uncharted to shame 1 is assassins creed gears of wars looks better than ut3 that already fact and plz put a screen shot of drake and a character from gears of war and lets see what looks better the ps3 fans boys are scared to show comparison clips as they know it wud bust their uncharted looks amazing lies hahah trolls

[harv052]

Please use punctuation, it's very annoying...

[socsca]

Achievement Unlocked - Fanboy frenzy!!! 0 points.

(I'm gonna start spamming this comment, get used to it)

[ThaGeNeCySt]

is that chuck norris?

I'M SOLD!!!

[MK_Red]

OMG, how come I hadn't noticed that? Even more reason to love Fallout 3.
Nice one :)

[Bonsai1214]

hahahaha. that is chuck norris. i'm actually very eagerly waiting for this game. open world ftw.

anyways, its good to see devs are saying they can get a lot more out of it, now that they're understanding the system architecture. when you compare a game like god of war 2 to say, starwars starfighter (my first ps2 game.. haha), i can't believe its running on the same hardware. can you imagine saying that about uncharted and some x game out 4 or 5 years from now? mindblowing!!

[nice_cuppa]

developer hype at defcon 4.

[niall77]

.... that tells me that game had some lazy devs

[Tarmgar]

20% that competes with Xboxes top graphical games.

[moses]

You all are blind in your glory, it probably used 20% of the CPU, but PS3 is still bottlenecked by it's GPU and lack of memory, so you probably will never see PS3 go 100% or even 80% with the cell unless you have some crazy freakin physics in a game.

Edit: The people that claim the PS3 is some kind of wondermachine that beats the piss out of any PC are hopeless. Also, the rrod problem was fixed by the falcon chips. I'll only respect people's arguments if they actually think rationally. I'm starting to get PM's from idiots claiming that KZ2 will surpass crysis graphically, it's ridiculous.

[IntelligentAj]

While we might never see 100% i'll take 50% if the games will look twice as good as Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank.

Edit: Moses why are we hopeless. The same can be said about the 360 users and the rrod problem can it not?

[moses]

you people are hopeless.

Edit: That's was I was talking about, the 80% power they have left is in the vast amount of "power" in the cpu. I don't see how you can turn a console's "power" into any certain percentage.

Edit: Alright, you're right, I don't know much about the cell's architecture, but all I'm saying is that it's only using "20%" of PS3's power because the Cell provides the large majority of that pool of "100%" . Again, I think it's stupid to simplify a console's power into a certain percentage.

also, I see someone disagreed with you, it wasn't me, I'm not going to disagree with anything you say, I'm open to discussion.

[Armyless]

the memory between SPU's is a shared Cache.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? or just spouting off the same thing you mumble at lunch time with a mouth full of peanut butter and jelly with your friends between classes.

You're stepping in your own "hopeless" poo.

Edit: Here read this, maybe it will help. A lot of your comments lately seem to stem from a pretty basic misunderstanding of cell-architecture.
http://www.ps3forums.com/sh...

[Lord_Mike]

I guess Universities use PS3's to calculate for fun.

[i Shank u]

you sound like a smart, nice dude making sense in a place that doesnt have any. some people get really caught up in the console crap/hype/bullsh*t; my suggestion is to not waste your time man.

@ whoever believes this 20% crap: do you honestly believe that games running on the PS3 are only using 20% (1/5), and that down the line games will look and perform up to 5 Times better? (20% X 5 = 100%) if you believe that, you have bought into hype and are a freekin R-tard, congrats. of course things will look better at the end of the cycle, but 5x better is ridiculous

of course with time t

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

It's something I'll believe when I see it. Right now the PS3 is in dead last place and has a lot to prove.

If they don't do a lot better in 08, then it's probably just not gonna happen for Sony

I'm tired of hearing the bullcrap also, about just wait and see.

[PStriple703]

they have proven alot already, outselling the 360 a week before christmas is crazy, with game like gears,bioshock, and halo3 on the martket....and the ps3s big guns have not even dropped yet

[GAMER NOT FANBOY]

so wouldnt the ps3 run a gun like crysis is fight nights crazy graphics only took up 20%

[nevelo07]

does what uncharted does, the game can only be done the way it is on ps3 because of the storage space of blu-ray disc the animation in the game is 7-9gbs alone, plus the games audio is encoded in DTS which requires more space and sounds a lot better that dolby digitl, and the animation can only be done with the spus on the cell, could be done on 360 but not the way it was intended to be done, not to mention the game dosent load at all while your playing, and this is a first generation engine, so think about the the second gen engines, yea 360 has some nice graphics but nothing groundbreaking besides gears of war but thats using unreal tech, unreal looks just as good as it. 360 has a lot more games cause it is easy to develop for cause its basicly a pc not bashing it though with xbox live. i wanna see what more they can do more with the 360 that we havent seen on pcs, 512mb of unified memory is great and all but pcs nowadays have 1gb of memory.

EDIT-WHY THE DISAREE,but yeah blademask nobody wanna talk about the positives that the storage space of blu-ray brings like the audio coding and space for animation, and btw can a brotha get some bubbles.

[Blademask]

More proof of this is how it runs HL2 so well. Yeah, Hl2 ran great on my computer 4 years ago. That same machine ran Prey/Bf2/Bioshock/COD4 without stumbling once, and at higher resolutions. I've since upgraded for crysis, I think my current machine would be able to run Uncharted, but definitely not my Hl2/Bioshock/COD4 machine.

The only graphical achievement 360 owners can praise is Gears of War. Which has already been washed away with the release of UT3. The Unreal engine is great and all, but its nothing compared to hell.. even the SOURCE engine from Hl2. Unreal engine doesn't even support HDRI. Which these days, is plain sad.

We have all known the PS3 has the muscle, but the floodgates have just burst open with a flow of graphically dominant titles. I could care less about sales, I want my brain to go numb with how amazing a game is everytime I play.

[nirwanda]

Don't buy into all the hype mate the animation that Drakes uses takes up next to no room for a start it's physics based system like assassins creed and if it was 7-9gb like you say it wouldn't fit into the 256 meg system memory

And on another point if Drakes is so superior to the 360 lineup show me a mutiformat GOTY award that it has won alot of the awards ive seen it didn't even make the final nominations and get annihilated by many games on metacritic

[IntelligentAj]

If I recall correctly Metacritic consists of player reviews. Reviewers have a tendency to be bias(some unintentionally) which would account for it "getting annihilated" wouldn't you agree?

[nirwanda]

I would necessarily say bias I'd say more a question of personal preference some people like FPS while others prefer a good RPG for example like the dean takashi review for mass effect he clearly had little experience with RPG's I'm not saying mass effect is better than Drakes coz they are completely incomparable it's just another good example of how reviewers can get it wrong.

But with average score from a very wide range of sources the true cream rises to the top the GT1's the mario 64's the halflife 2's of the world
will allway's rise to the top

[ps3playbeyon]

Well yeah this isn't anything new...i mean look at first year ps2 games n then look at them 5 years later ...big difference ..let's just hope games stop gettin delayed so much it's annoyin...

[ARog34]

It took this long into '08 to figure this out?

Wow, devs pick it up and stop being biased when you could make some insane games for the PS3...

Don't worry, Ladies and Gentlemen '08 FTW.

[Snukadaman]

the top 20 games alone in dec 22nd sold 100K..in europe the 100k sellers only go up too 11 ..no one can question the dominance but im sure some of you will anyways...so enjoy disagreeing.

[nevelo07]

its sad that the only place 360 is really killin is NA, really no where else,but keep in mind its still selling with it supposely havin no games inferior online service compared to live worst ports of games and so on, think how bad the xbox would be doing if it had this same problem, and not to mention GOD OF WAR3, nothing can touch that game on any console, plus lets not forget about the rrod problems i been a victim of it once and it aint a pretty situation but you xbox fans try to ignore it like its not a problem, xbox has GAMES i give it that, but man the hardware is the worst i have ever seen ever in my life.

[bozobucketeer]

I think sad is a poor choice of words since NA is close to 2/3 the total market.

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

PS3 needs to be winning everywhere. Including the NA.

[The_Engineer]

Kutaragi's overly ambitious launch to the campaign he was replaced with Skymaster Hirai who instead opted to dominate the outer territories first starting with Klandathu, leaving the bug(xbot) home planet(USA) for the last deciding battle.

stay tuned for the next exciting episode of PS3 Troopers.

[shadowfish]

I am a big Sony fan, so I should be defending the PS3. But please, don't ramble on about things you obviously do not know.

"but man the hardware is the worst i have ever seen ever in my life." - I seriously doubt this, do you even know what hardware is in the Xbox360? If this is the worst hardware ever, will my 1996 Tiny computer outpower it in the terms of games? No.

You also mention God of War 3. A word of advice, don't hype games you havn't seen, God of War 3 could be rubbish, we have seen nothing of it. Something like GT5 we have seen lots of and played and can tell this to be a great game, but don't hype a game you havn't seen or played. Typical fanboyishness.

Also, you're attempt at punctuation failed.

[88 movement]

:) cool

[Neurotoxin]

I reserve judgement until i see this so called Untapped Potential, i`m sure Uncharted just scratched the surface. But unless Multi-platform games come on-par with the opposing platform i will just laugh at these quotes.

[CaliGamer]

On par?? COD4, Oblivion, there are more, but I'm too lazy to list them all, I'm sure you get the idea.

[KidMakeshift]

I wonder if Crysis exceeds past the PS3 capabilities?

[moses]

Much past PS3's capabilities. If three 8800 Ultra's cant max out Crysis what makes you think the PS3 can?

[kittoo]

Three 8800s Ultras can easily max out Crysis. The problem is tht Crysis dosent support Tri-way SLI properly. Those three Ultras arent running at their potential.
I have 8800GTS 640, and even that runs Crysis perfectly well at high settings, 1280*1024.

[KidMakeshift]

That's crazy. Why did they make Crysis so impossible to run properly?

[moses]

When I say max I mean 2560x1600 8xAA 16xAF, and yeah, tri-sli is new, but the three 8800 ULTRA's together couldn't run very high 2560x1600 8xAA 16xAF, and still, the PS3 can't run crysis at a steady 30 fps at 1920x1080, or what ever the 720P resolution is on high.

Edit: tri-sli 8800's can run crysis on very high 1900x1600 without sli support, but maxed out resoloution, it can't. I was just trying to make a point that the PS3 cannot max out crysis, or anything near it. Sure medium, but high/very high? No.

Also, since when was SLI 100% efficient? Of course the three cards arn't getting their maximum performance out.

[Perkel]

@ moses

yeah but there is no Crysis on PS3 or X360 and u can't say how it will run.

Optimalization is the key, and there is no such a god damn optymalisation in Crysis. More ps3 don't have256 ram it has 256 xdr (a waaaaay faster than a GDDR3) system memory & 256 GDDR3 on RSX.
Yeah even that it maybe poor amount of Ram, but look at ucharted textures they are soo crisp and good that we can compare to Crysis textures.

for e. PS2 has 32mb and look how GoW2 looks good...

[KidMakeshift]

Well Far Cry 2 is coming to the consoles and there's suppose to be some PS3 Crytek project, so I'll guess we'll have to wait and see

[Rice]

PS3's power already kinda shined, i.e Uncharted, Lair, Heavenly Sword etc.

[TwissT]

Lair FTW!!!!!! /end sarcasm.

[mintaro]

i know im proabably gonna get a lot of disagrees for this, but i actually thought lair looked pretty damn good, if they hadn't forced you to use the sixaxis controls i cant help but think it would have been a pretty good game

[socsca]

Agree, though there were sooooome minor graphical issues.

[wil4hire]

Right now official people have just supported the PS3. The facts are that the PS3 is just in the beginning of its development cycle. And it already spit out one of the most amazing games in console history. Uncharted Drakes Fortune. In its first year.. And its a console exclusive. No PC counterpart.

I guess the fanboys will still say 'WELL... I DISAGREE' Based on... nothing.. Maybe they will say that the 360 hasn't maxed out in its capabilities in 2 years right? Or that Mass Effect doesn't stutter/popin/bog/cant stream load...

Looking forward to:

TheMart@XbotQueens
Zhuk
Power of Green
First Knight
Bloodmask
The Round Peg
4D Zangief
snukadaman
XBOX IS THE BEST
BS3
Bombbomb
jason 360
Bloodysinner

[nice_cuppa]

so by his own logic this applies to 360 and wii too as neither have been out that long.

not an argument.

just adult logic.

edit.
i see disagree's.

anyone care to man up and explain ?

@ban fan.

um....
48 unified shader pipelines on a gpu is new.
3 duel threaded cpus is new.

i think all three system (i have all three) have alot more to come.

[ban fans]

Not necessarily.
Different systems use different hardware (thus making them different systems). With some hardware, the potential can be tapped right away due to ease of programming. If you know where you are going, you don't need a map. On the other hand, if the way to get there is completely unfamiliar, it may take you more time to figure out how to get where you want to go.
Your "adult logic" doesn't make sense when talking about three completely different programming methods.

I'm speaking on the ease of programming - not the new tech that each system has. Of course it is all new technology. I'm just saying Sony's machines tend to age more gracefully than their competetors. Their systems get stronger as they age, not peaking out. No other systems have been able to improve their software like Sony's have.
Agreed - all of them have more to come, but I think PS3 is using the least ammount of its potential, and if that's the case, it will exceed what the 360 is capable of. I may be wrong but this article just seems to be the same thing we heard about the PS1 and PS2, and look how quickly they grew up. PS2 games still look and play pretty good. I'm not a fanboy or anything, that's just what I've observed in the 20 years I've been gaming.

[wil4hire]

Your adult logic holds no weight considering: The PS3's NEW BROADBAND CHIP.

We aren't talking about two electronic devices with the same hardware. The 360 is more of a PC than anything, which always requires you to upgrade the ram/videocard/proc.

The Cell is a second to none processor which takes the weight off of the videocard/ram to do tasks.

This is why its a "only 20%" argument when it comes to the cell. Not "Oh we need more ram. just toss some in there" Its "How can we use 1 proc of the cell to run animation simulations"

Its a first in technology.

[moses]

Very easy to argue with the "20%" statement, sure it's only 20% if you factor in the cell's processing power, but what's it all worth if you're majorly limited by the GPU and the memory?

[wil4hire]

Thats the thing, it isn't limited to the GPU and Memory because those are NO LONGER NEEDED STRICTLY TO PERFORM THE TASKS THAT THE PROCS can do independently.

This is why its an amazing technlogy, not only for GAMES but for Research.

This is why M.I.T has classes on developing for broadband cell technologies. Its a big deal.

[moses]

Sure, the PS3 can do great things with it's cpu, but when it comes to graphics (which most games are rated by today) the PS3 is limited to it's GPU and memory. *sigh* why didn't SONY and Microsoft just put a gig of shared memory in both, I mean, it IS next gen, why settle with 512 mb?...

[nirwanda]

the 360 does exactly the same thing it can also use the cpu to calculate graphical effect I think it call MEMexport and lots of info gets processed by the cpu before going to the gpu a good exaple of this is texture decompression where info is streamed from disk to memory decompressed by the cpu for the gpu to use,
also ati and ibm work together to make sure the two work together unlike sony who just got nvidea to put in a downgraded pc component

[Xbox is the BEST]

Fallout comes out it will look better on 360. You know that some gaming website will put ut to the test but you will still be in denial. Hate all you want Mass Effect is a great game bugs and all. How many devs that are not Epic have problems with Unreal Engine? Gears of War looks better that UT#3 on the PS#3 I have seen both in action. And didn't Sony promised that on launch day PS#3 games will make 360 games look like Xbox 1.5? You my friend fell for hype again. I fell for the hype with PS#2 and the "Emotion Engine" and Toy Story like graphics Pentium III is weaker that the Emotion Engine, I was dissappointed. There is a saying that goes "Fool be once shame on you fool me twice shame on me." Believe in the hype
Play Beyond

[Marceles]

You can argue about the PS3's memory capacity now or their gpu needing to be based on the 8 series nvidia cards, etc...but the Cell is there to handle more of a graphics load than the RSX. The RSX is there to help the Cell render the game, not the other way around.

[Xbox is the BEST]

the Cell is the CPU of the PS#3 and it helps with graphics. But the Unified Shader can process graphics without any help from it's CPU. I mean PS#3 version of COD4 had IW best coders working on it and it couldn't out shine the 360. Hey let the games do the talking O.K.

[nirwanda]

it's the other way round anything that is display on the PS3 has to go though the gpu last if the cell did most of the rendering everything would have to travel to and from the GPU and cell for every frame of animation and this would be extremely limited by the cell cashe each spu for example only has 256kb so if you render the whole thing with the cell it would waste too much bandwidth between the two.
a single 720p image can take more than 256kb let alone rendering it twice for the aa 60 times a second which is why warhawk on renders clouds and not a full screen of info.

[Marceles]

"The seven SPEs (Synergistic Processor Element) of Cell can be used for graphics," reveals Kutaragi. "In fact, many of the E3 demos were made without a graphics chip, with only Cell used for all graphics. However, this means of use is wasteful."

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

In other words, the 360's CPU is strictly used for processing while the Cell is used for both graphics and processing. Do you guys get it now? Sheesh...

[sak500]

same b$ these guys were paid by ken personally to read the same script. Wake me up where there is something worth playing on ps3.

[genericname]

don't worry sak, M$ will release a new sku soon that might get to 30% of the power the PS3 has.

[heyheyhey]

*prod* did that wake you up? good now go play ratchet and clank, uncharted, motorstorm and resistance

oh yeah and stop being a fanboy if you cant EVER use facts to prove your point i mean come on your the guy who said that mgs4 will sell 400k max, christ your the worst fanboy i have ever seen- zhuk might be an asshole but at leats he uses facts to back his points up you just scream out "ps3 sucks"

[ban fans]

Sony hardware is traditionally hard to program for. It was the same with the PS1 and PS2. Developers complain that it is too difficult to program for, then when they start to dig into the potential of the system, they realize the power the machine has and games get better and better.

As far as the people saying enough of the wait and see in Sony's approach, you become a programmer for the system, then snap your fingers and create a epic, beautiful, original, smooth running game that is within a budget, timeline and personell quota. Not as easy as it sounds. Every one is so critical of the games, calling them sloppy and lazy programing, but this isn't the days of Atari anymore. It takes time, alot of effort and a boat load of money to produce a single game.

Edit - What's the disagree about - tell me how you disagree!

More disagrees without explanation - I love it! You're right, PS systems were and are easy to program for and developers put no effort into making games; it's all a simple process. Later gen games on Sony's machines look the same as 1st gen games. My bad.

[unlimited]

2008 is going to show the ps3 power..
1. Killzone 2
2. Metal Gear Solid 4
3. Heavy Rain
4. White knight Story
5. Littlebigplanet
6. War Devil
7.Afrika
8.Eight Days
9. Gateaway 3
10.Infamous
11. Socom
12. team ICO game

and etc............

[MK_Red]

While I do believe that Uncharted looks stunning and GT5 is shaping up to be the most realistic racer ever, I believe that the first game to truly shine on PS3 will be Team Ico's PS3 project. They made something like Shadow of the Colossus on PS2!

[Xemnas]

I see whats going on the xboxbots are Disagreeing with everyone that speak the truth they have nothing to say lol i might even get one now haahahah man i cant live with out the xbots they make me lol trying to defend a crappy system in all post man......lol

[v1c1ous]

wii's untapped power

[rexor0717]

Why is it that mulitplatform games are starting to look identical to xbox 360. Why isn't the ps3 games on a different level, like wii to 360. Why? This is coming from a big sony fan. I just want to see some major differences.

[Raptors]

This is exactly what Im saying. I just wanna play ps3 games and be like "Wow. Now I know what all those devs and people on n4g were talking about". As of now Im not seeing it.

[DJ]

Multiplatform development is much more expensive, and the additional cost needed to redo all the environments and characters and ____ just to make the PS3 version look better is enormous. It's cheaper to simply use the same content for both game engines.

Really, so long as the performance of the PS3 version is identical to the 360 version, I'm fine with that. But the extra space allowed by Blu-ray (as well as the standard HDD in all PS3s) does allow multiplatform devs to not downgrade certain aspects of their games. Devil May Cry, for example, looks sharper and runs better on the PS3, as well as having the option to install data on your PS3 system in order to eliminate ALL load times.

[Blademask]

Games are all built from 1 library of assets. (If they were released at the same time)

This means 1 developer makes all of the Models,textures,animations,Mov ie squences, Code, ending. Everything.. Then all of that is PORTED to either a 360 or the PS3. Or you get a case like Sigma, where it is released way later, and there is actually time and $ to improve the models/textures etc.

Unless EA/Epic decides to spend double the money to have 1 group of people make everything from scratch on one system, then do the same for another.. which makes no financial sense.. at all.. You would be doubling the cost for each game/port.

Game EXCLUSIVES are the titles that have all the graphical power of the system invested into it, because t hese are the titles that are used to WOW people.

Uncharted is a great example of this. It is being called the 'BEST LOOKING CONSOLE GAME OUT' by several sources. Its something that -as of now- can't be done on the 360, and hasn't been seen on the 360.

Just a little education,

Cheers

[Xbox is the BEST]

why when games that were made for PS#2 first and then ported to Gamecube and Xbox they all looked better on the systems not having the name Sony on it?
Edit : Nvidia (the company that made the GPU for the PS#3) said that Unified Shaders wouldn't work then they turned around and now starting to make Unified Shader GPUs. Go figure

[sak500]

For that you need to buy the ps4. But then again 720 will be out and naturally it will be better and ps4 will struggle to keep up with it

[HarryEtTubMan]

Shut the h3ll up u are a crack head out of your mind(just really a blatant liar)

Its been out only one year( only 9 months in Europe) and go look at todays VG Chartz SALES... THE PS3 HAS ALREADY SOLD 9 MILLION IN YEAR ONE.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA The PS3 is struggling to keep up with the Xbox 360??????!!?? hahahahahahahah KEEP DREAMING!

[Raptors]

Well...I'll be waiting. Obviously the whole 4d and 120 fps thing was obviously excessive overhype. However, articles like this have been coming out for a while and lets be real...Sony hasn't shown me anything thats significantly better than games on the 360. Uncharted looks good but far from the claims that they've made. And am I sony hater? No. I proudly own the shiny black console (its rather pretty i must say)as well a proud owner of the 360. I like many others, just want those who are boasting about the system to deliver on the promises made. Nothing more, nothing less.

[actas123]

As the gaming industry grows on a daily basis. Developers and publishers will be willing to put more money and making huge game projects. Its only the PS3 that can handle those projects, and thats when MS will be forced to abandon their already outdated next gen console and launch a newer one and screw million on people (again).

[ApocalypseShadow]

system with the most 1080p games?-ps3
system with the most multiplayer combatants-ps3(resistance 20vs20)
system with the most space for streaming things like texures-ps3
system with the most 3.2ghz chips-ps3
system used for science and raytracing-ps3
system that can be clustered into a super computer or used as a computer-ps3

not one game after the firmware update on 360 is hitting 1080p/60fps after 2 years.no game is 20 vs 20.no 360 is used for science or raytracing.but as for games not hitting 1080p:

halo3 doesn't.forza 2 doesn't.bioshock doesn't.pgr4 doesn't.games on 360,EVEN WITH ALL THIS SUPPOSED EASE OF DEVELOPMENT,top developers

have games with texture pop-in-mass effect
framerate problems-halo3
low resolutions-halo3 again
more games at 30fps.
less enemies onscreen.
less effects
lower sound quality
jaggies,jaggies jaggies.what happen to that extra memory for anti aliasing?

ps3 has more punch.the only devs that say otherwise,WORK FOR MICROSOFT.or the FATBOY from valve.

if any 360 fanboy can name a game that does more things than motorstorm at once,NAME IT.

if any 360 fanboy can name a game that does 20 vs 20,NAME IT.

if any 360 fanboy can name a game that has raytracing or better cars than GT5,NAME IT.

if any 360 fanboy can name an application that 360 does like folding at home,NAME IT.

if any 360 fanboy can name a game that not only has multiple characters onscreen-heavenly sword-but has physics,special effects,and anti-aliasing,etc,NAME IT.don't even say dead rising.

if any 360 fanboy can name "ONE DEMO" than outclasses any ps3 game like ps3 demos like uncharted,gthd,and gt5 prologue has outclassed 360 games,NAME IT.

even GT5 proved fanboys like POG(still waiting for GRAND RAID OFFROAD BABYBOY)wrong by putting 16 cars on the road at 1080p/60fps.GTHD showed ps3 could match forza2.GT5 showed that forza 2 was no match.

don't even pull out gears.it has been outclassed by uncharted and UT3.please don't pull out halo3.besides sales,it has been forgotten in favor of COD4.and don't pull out PGR4.it came....it released....it has been forgotten.

still wishing for FF and MGS4?wonder why it's not on 360?

mag lev..........................

[real401killa]

I have to say he really hit you guys with the kitchen sink and even the crapper at that ...thats going down on N4G as a Hall of Famer..5 star and bubs for you!!!!!!

[SSCOOLCHEA]

see xbot you made him mad .....from the words of dave chappelle ( gotcha bitc;;;;)

[supaflypriest1]

Wow, i hope you're getting a fat check from Sony for all of that...

[DJ]

There's still a lot of tech that hasn't been invented yet for the SPUs, and some really cool things that are in development. Guerilla Games for example is developing the second half of their rendering engine right now (on top of the deferred and forward rendering); they're attempting to do Radiosity in realtime by using the SPUs.

If you don't know what Radiosity (or the lack of it) is, then click these links. It's a high-end lighting technique that even most CG Effects houses try not to use. It creates photo-real imagery, but takes EXTREMELY long to calculate.

http://www.siggraph.org/edu...

http://freespace.virgin.net...

[camelio]

Right guys, I went and talked to Michiel and he sent me some answers:

"Contact shadows are a form of ambient occlusion. These are the sort of shadows you get where object come near each other (hence the "contact" part). Image-based ambient occlusion is a hot topic in the graphics industry off-late. We are researching a number of techniques but we're unsure if we're going to put it into Killzone 2.

We are also researching dynamic radiosity which does indeed mean real-time radiosity lighting. We have got some ideas, but if it works it'll be so late that we can't put it into this game, as we're steaming ahead in full production.

The PlayStation 3 does definitely have the horsepower to do all this though. If it won't be in KZ2 it'll definitely be in other titles from us or other PS3 developers. There's a lot of performance in the PS3 left to be untapped..."

There you have it. Hope this helps, and please note, we are not certain these techniques will be in Killzone 2, so take this as informtation, not news.

Seb Downie - QA Manager - Guerrilla Games

[power of Green]

Wii will shine in 2008 because the devs will better be able to tap more power. Nothing new here.

[sanjay09]

Yea your right nothing new all the xbox fanboys hating on sony...

[Nicosia]

Personally the logic can be applied to all the consoles. Like the ps2, the moment God of War came out you finally saw raw power. But what people seems to picking is that only ps3 can advance, the wii and the x360 are just stuck too the grafix of now. Thats kinda foolish to think, every console is going to have those games that excel.

Personally i think Gears of War and Mass Effect realy showcase some beauty, but games like Bioshock also show great power. A lot of people directly think about Gears of War, although.. the say it the only thing good but they have never played (or wanted) xbox games. How can you judge if you have never played, and seeing screenshots or vids don't count.The biggest advantage i found is that although the argument that there like pc games, ok. But whould bioshock have sold more if it only was released on pc? no, because piracy is realy big on the pc..people buy good games.

Uncharted is a awsome game and realy showcases show impressive stuff, the first time i was playing it..i was looking @ the inviroment more then following the game.

[DJ]

architecture of the 360 has too many bottlenecks (Either the CPU or the GPU loses, depending which one is pushed harder) and the Wii is essentially a Gamecube with a slightly higher clockspeed and some extra RAM.

360 and Wii games will continue to make a slow progression, but PS3 titles are skyrocketing from a technological standpoint. The fact that the Cell's SPUs have Atomic Cache units is still shocking to this day (these are only found in Supercomputers).

[Nicosia]

I thought somebody is bound to reply with that aswer. But you think there will be no good looking games coming out? Now lets throw the spec's out the window. There will be no good looking games out on the other consoles is just foolish, there will always be highlights to each console. But i also say good grafics don't mean a better game. Thats whats worrying me, are grafics the new gameplay? with dev. prices rising means less and less people will actually create good games.

[DJ]

will come out on other systems"; you need to be mindful of making false accusations. When I state technological advancement, graphics rendering is only a small part of that picture. Polygon processing, sound processing, physics interactions, animation blending, and particle calculations are just as, if not more important.

Graphics don't replace gameplay, but graphics-related technology can affect both gameplay and the physics interactions within that gameplay.

The best example of this is Little Big Planet. Since the PS3 has a ton of polygon and physics processing capabilities in its SPUs, the developers were able to devise an engine that allows users to dynamically alter objects (regardless of complexity) and have physics interactions in realtime according to those dynamic objects.

[Nicosia]

Yeah your right my bad! Although i agree with ya that the ps3 is most advance in the tech department. But mind you the most advance means also the most time must be spent dev. something, with rising costs this generation small to med. devs will be lost in the shuffle. Thats what i think is realy a kind of bottleneck, although it has all this potential..will they risk the money to tap it all? or get a eqial great achievement on another platform.

[stuntman_mike]

answer to above: yaris racing.

lol just joking.

[mintaro]

well it happens with all new consoles, the first year is usually not as pretty as some would like it because the devs are still getting used to the new technology, but as the following years come they're finally able to bring out the true power of the console.

Shadow of the Collosus anyone?

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

i love the idiot that believes crysis is to much for ps3,

killzone 2 and wardevil, metal gear 4 and ff13 and versus all look like cg, and were mistaken for cg, this has yet to happen with crysis, and now that farcry 2 has been confirmed for ps3 and 180, this makes the crytek developer look like he knows nothing, cause farcry 2 alone killzones crysis, along with killzone 2, open your eyes pc fans, ps3 is the next gen, and wont max out, cg in realtime only on ps3, not available on pc, get out

PLAY B3yond, dont play last gen pcs, that can never catch up to ps3 supercomputer gaming, get out

[NeonSkull]

"...Sony’s Performance Analyser tools, yet to be released on PS3."

this is most exciting thing i have read this year, i would have assumed that this was already with devs, but god dam if dev dont have it then there is no way we have seen anything near to what the ps3 can do.

i remember on the psone gran turismo was the first game to use the new performance analyser and it blew everything else out of the water nothing looked even half as good back then.

[ApocalypseShadow]

how's that GRAND RAID OFFROAD there POG?

that's the problem with 360 fanboys.they can talk the talk.but can't walk the walk when it comes to truth.

system breaking down-that's okay,we have a 3 year warranty.it's only a few.and not widespread.

high priced peripherals-that's okay,we have a choice not to buy it.

hd-dvd losing each week.that's okay,digital downloads is the future.dvd is winning the high def war.....i thought dvd wasn't high def?

many skus and rumor of an ultimate sku.that's okay for early adopters.they should have waited for hdmi.they should have bought a hard drive instead of a core system.microsoft keeps getting the same dummies to rebuy the system they already have.

firmware updates bricking systems.that's okay.it's only modded systems.not "REAL GAMERS."

and they have been told from the start that ps3 is more powerful.even CARMACK said it.no! we don't believe you.

can't fight with facts.so i guess your last resort would be to hit the disagree button.makes you feel powerful doesn't it.when in fact,you're powerless to stop ps3.or even a less powerful wii system from catching microsoft.

mag lev........................... .......

[TwissT]

Now that most developers are now more familiar with the Cell processor, hopefully games will start to shape up well on the ps3.

[ban fans]

I'm not a super Sony fanboy (I think every fanboy should shut up and play the system they like and leave everyone else to the system they like), but the PS3 will surpass the 360 in terms of graphics and overall power. Argue with me if you want, but it will. Year one is rough for all new systems. MS got a jump on every one so they are who we judge the others by in terms of graphics and power. As the PS3 open its doors to programmers, its potential will be realized. To call it a disappointment is lame. The time will come when it out shines every one else, maybe not in terms of market sales, but in raw creation power. If you want to argue this point, I'll see you in a year or two, and we can talk.

Any one who wants to say that the Wii and the 360 will ascend in power at the same rate, see my other comments above.

[scrillakiller]

hes been upset since heavily sword and crying since uncharted.any we already put cod4 to the test live in his living room.ps3 vs xbox 360 version.guess what they looked exactly the same.if u need confirmation just ask best gameralive thats his roommate.he was actually talking about buying a ps3 till i made fun of him then he went back to ragdoll console.also best gamer alive was a big 360 fan.he seen the power of ps3 and never turned back.

i rememmber he said it was impossible for ps3 to put 1000 charecters on screen then we showed it to him in heavenly sword.he just stayed quiet with hatred

i dont tell lies.just ask best gamer alive.yeah im a fanboy.i love the colts and i love the ps3.

[Xbox is the BEST]

you konw I was only kidding right? When I told scrillakilla that I was getting a PS#3 he got all excited if you goys were here to see his reaction, straight fanboy.

[BestGamerAlive]

so stop saying i did and UNCHARTED blew away gears of war it has way better graphics than any game out on ur system stop crying an whining and face it the cell makes anything possible so go an renew ur membership listen go play some games istead of bullshiting on n4g like the rest of these boylovers POWER OF THE CELL

PS3 is the BEST SYSTEM ALIVE its ALIVE ALIVE!! hahaha this is fun ive noticed xbox gamers have more hours on n4g than on their own system go play some games

[Xbox is the BEST]

we put COD4 to the test again and the XBOX 360 wins better texture. Scrillakilla the next time you come over I will show you blind fanboy. Best Gamer Alive saw it today that the box has the superior texture and graphics. Uncharted no texture and gameplay sucks that's why it didn't sell not because of marketing.
Play Beyond

Edit : What's really funny is anything about technology that they Scrillakilla and BestGamerAlive don't know about they call me asking me for help. I can't believe BGA is straight lying, right after BGA saw the proof he went on YouTube searching PS3 vs 360. Scrillakilla is a Sony fanboy so he has an excuse.
Play B3hind

[scrillakiller]

youre an embarrassment to the gaming community and further more this website.thats low to get on hereand lie on someone.anyway like i said we putcod4 to the test already they look identical.this guy has no credibility people.the famous lie of his that still rings in my head is mark reign said ut3 would run at 30 fps on ps3 and 60 fps on 360,if u think im bsing just shuffle through his december post.this guy hardly plays games hes more into downloading and that seems to be the case with most of u fake gamers on this site ps3 or not.i actually have some of u on my friends list and like xbox is the best ur never on.pathetic.

[scrillakiller]

could u quit lying already.i dont ask u nothing about tech.wasnt it u that couldnt even hook up a router!anyway i may have asked this a question back in the day but he lied then.he actually had me thinking hdvd was gonna win and that it had better pic and sound till i did my own research.hes a fanboy.see if i look at a 360 game i wont downplay.i just tell the truth.like gears andall multiplats in early 2007.i never lied and said the ps3 version looked the same.i even said gears was the best graphics at that point.u on the other hand just babble and and try to dowply everything ps3 like cod4 looks diffrent and uncharted has no textures.im a realist i dont lie for no reason.i call how i see it

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

this article is showing why ps3 isnt a console, and far superior to one

[NanoGeekTech]

the same thing.........Wait till the end of 08...and we will truly begin to appericate the PS3.....

--I am very luck to play both systems and on a daily basis and every day for the past year I have own my PS3 I appericated more every day...I just installed a 160gig hard drive..

--My belief is future game systems will function much like the PS3..

--Future systems will focus on Power, Funcionality, and convergence..

[Premonition]

As long as sony improves their software tools, we should be seeing some great games, and im pretty sure 1st party will be seeing the upgraded dev tools first so games like Uncharted 2 Resistance 2 will look really good, and probably might even reaceh 60fps this time around with no problems.

[Cyrus365]

It's common knownledge that in 07, between the two systems (360 and PS3), the 360 was easier to program on, and easier to get the performance out of, as it's closer related to PC archtecture.

It is one reason why alot of multiplatform titles looked slightly better or equal on 360 than on PS3 (As it required a different way to program and look at things.

But as things are easier to program and get performance on, it's also much easier to get to the Peak level, or near it's maximum output (Which may be the case with 360), it has hit it's peak alot faster (This isn't a negative, it's actually a positive), however that might mean there isn't much head room to improve upon that.

Where as PS3 we know that it's a tough system to program for, and people are just coming to grips at that, and even with PS3 programming issues, and not being lead platform for alot of the games, PS3 multi-platform games look almost good as 360. But we all can agree PS3 hasn't hit it's peak, as no one has really figured out how to best utilize the SPU's, and when they do, you'll really see it shine.

Mind you, you wont' really see it multiplatform games, as it's dev's goal to make the games LOOK the same on both system (or atleast close enough)...Where you'll see the difference is in the exclusives, that were made on the system from the ground up.

2008 and on shall be an interesting year.

[xg-ei8ht]

I've already seen a few screens of ms2 that i'm not aloud to post here. or anywhere for that matter. You've seen the i.d tech 5 demo, looks like motorstorm, but better. Well MS2 looks better then that:)

On the subject of crysis. This was posted above.

Three 8800s Ultras can easily max out Crysis. The problem is tht Crysis dosent support Tri-way SLI properly. Those three Ultras arent running at their potential.
I have 8800GTS 640, and even that runs Crysis perfectly well at high settings, 1280*1024.

While its true crysis is a graphical monster, It also uses alot of cpu power and even though runs better on quad core, Quad core still isn't optimised enough.

Now i've seen documents of ps3 vs dual and quad core, the cell was quite abit faster, Of course the game also needs alot of ram, which is where texture streaming from blu-ray would do the trick. Even if not max settings, i'm guessing it would be pretty close. So in all honesty crytek made a mistake releasing the game at this time, not enough hardware runs the game properly. and lets be honest on low settings it looks like crap. If it was released on ps3 to begin with, it would have sold a bucket load more. Farcry 2 will be appearing on pc/ps3/360. So we'll see how thats shaping up in the future.

I'm not knocking any system, all have games that are sweet and very playable, beit,gears,bioshock,uncharted, cod4,crysis,hl2.Hs etc.

But for the money, things the machine can do, the future, etc. I'd still go with the ps3.

It just has too much to offer.

[mintaro]

devs this is your chance to show us what the ps3 can really do, and we've finally move past the time when you could say that the tech is too dificult to work with.
so nothing should stop them form making amazing games, but lazy developing

[Swatfish]

PS3 will definitly shine in 2008.See MGS4,GT5 and FF XIII...but let´s see first which games 360 have in 2008.

[nirwanda]

your right about all the 360 faults but I still think the exclusive on the 360 are better than on the PS3 has and at the end of the day it's a games machine.

maybe it will change in a few years and no dought I'll get a PS3 eventually (probably for LBP) but at the mo I'm quite happy with the 360 until the PS3 proves itself

[midgard229]

if xbots r gonna bash the ps3 because its the stonger console then why dont u bash ur own system??? u guys gotta pay 100$ for a hd-dvd player, meaning ur disk size is limited to dvd (more games like lost oddesy with 4 disk)

gotta pay another 100$ for wireless adapter, because ya like to play together for more.

20$ for charge and play kits + batteries

also have to pay what 50$ for a year of Live?? until the whole lifetime of 360 is over in 5 years??? good to know u wanna pay that much for an inferior console and brag about it when the only good exclusives are gears, bioshock, halo 3 and mass effect after 2 yrs?

small memory card that cost 50$ if wanna bring data to someone elses house and the red ring of death, with over 58% failure rate, so ur consoles dont even hold out.

ps3 free online play= internet browser, built in wi-fi and blueray player, lithium ion rechargable controller with charge cable that can be bought at dollar store. memory stick which is used on computer, psp, digital camera's and more and hold way more that 518 mb's

a bunch of great exclusives in half the time the 360 has put out theres. heavenly sword, ratchet, uncharted, warhawk, folk lore, UT3 and more.

1% failure rate, not many break

these are just facts, as much as i luv 360 and have one i know whats wrong with it, u xbots need to open ur eyes

[mintaro]

hmmm, you hate fanboys yet you say all the things that a sony fanboy would, mind you i also know the faults of the 360 but in know way does it have a 58% failure rate, that is just plain fanboy talk.
and you talk about the "only good exlusives" being gears, bioshock, halo 3, and mass effect. that statement only prove to me that you are indeed a fanboy.
you left out crackdown, dead rising, eternal sonata, forza 2, prg 3-4, viva pinata, virtua fighter 5(online), dead or alive 4, naruto rise of a ninja, overlord, and the list goes on.
i am not a fanboy but i cannot stand when blind fanboys state ridiculous things sbout a console, like saying xbox 360 has only 4 goood exclusives

[midgard229]

i have a 360 also, and yeah left out doa4 ^_^ sorry lol, i luv that game too.

actually i work at game crazy and we have 5 360 defects, and eternal sonata is coming to ps3 so its not exclusive, lol. and virtua fighter was ps3 first. so im no fanboy i just like to point out facts to fanboys

[TwissT]

Really what makes fanboys fanboys is the fact that they are so closed minded to anything else positive to any other console than their own. So really it is a waste of time to exlaining why X console is better than Y console. Fanboys never change but at least you tried.

[Rice]

Lets see what the devs can do with a limited use of ram, 256 for gpu, 256 for cell, complex architecture, but a high floating operations per second, thing.

[Salvadore]

Great article.

[TwissT]

2008 is gonna be a very promising year for all console owners.

[Figboy]

Uncharteds, Ratchets, and Unreals is it going to take before the retarded fanboys accept that the Playstation 3 is a powerful console?

so, from my understanding, when a developer is talking sh*t about the PS3 (ie, Gabe Newell from Valve), the haters agree and nod saying, "that's right! PS3 is teh suck!"

but when developers finally get their heads out of their @sses and actually *LEARN the console, and realize that it's quite the capable machine, the haters are all, "whatever! the developers don't know what they're talking about! PS3 is still teh suck!"

when you have actual *DEVELOPERS starting to come around to the console, and what it can do, that's a *GOOD thing, because this encourages *MORE developers to get their feet wet.

what i worry about, are all the developers that were skittish about making PS3 games in the past year, will be markedly behind guys like, say, Insomniac and Naughty Dog, who have been making PS3 games from the *BEGINNING, and are already on the second and *THIRD iterations of their Playstation 3 engines.

i guess it's lucky for those skittish developers that Naughty Dog and Insomniac share their findings with other 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party developers. Guerilla Games does the same thing.

[Domer25]

yeah yeah yeah, using 20%, using 30%, who cares. Brain uses 10%. truth is in pudding, games whatever. Bring these 4D games you have touted. I want to see some mind bending sh!t for my money. Oh yeah don't tell me patience is a virtue either.

[Figboy]

that these are *THIRD party developers making these statements, right?

Sony did promise a lot of stuff (and 4D isn't what you seem to think it is; it's the passing of time in real time. there's a video on YouTube somewhere demonstrating this, i think. look it up. the PS3, and probably the 360, are capable of doing this), but these aren't Sony guys saying they're only tapping a small percentage of the PS3's power.

the developers said the same thing about the PS2 when *IT first came out in 2000. do you no agree that, over time, PS2 games started looking better and *BETTER?

i challenge you to pop in a game like Shadow of Destiny, or Dark Cloud, on the PS2, *THEN pop in Metal Gear Solid 3 and Final Fantasy XII. there is *QUITE a difference in the visuals. why? because developers were just learning the PS2 architecture when making Shadow of Destiny and Dark Cloud, but by MGS3 and FFXII, they had gotten more familiar with said architecture.

for a more current example. pop in Resistance: Fall of Man on the Playstation 3, made by Insomniac Games. *THEN, pop in Ratchet and Clank Future, also by Insomniac, or Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, by Naughty Dog. even in just *ONE YEARS time, there has been a tremendous jump in quality from the Playstation 3's *LAUNCH TITLES, to games released 10 to 12 months later.

things will continue in this manner for another few years, with an apex reached near the end of the console's lifecycle.

[TwissT]

Acctually it has been proven that all sections of the brain are in use when you are thinking. So that 10% use of the brain thing is just an urban myth. =D

[aba]

*double*

[aba]

So the games will get prettier, big surprise. Wheres the good stuff like trophies? That will keep me playing over and over again. Wheres the in-game xmb? I wanna listen to my music while I play. Wheres my dualshock 3? No rumble=no fun.

[travelguy2k]

JUST WAIT...lol but its true Dual shock 3 is on the way in a month or two, Home is coming and a few months and i am sure it will incorporate some kind of trophy/achievement system. As for in game xmb i have no idea, but really there are only 3 parts of the XMB that i feel are necessary while playing:

1, Music

2, Friends

3, System (can't remember what this tab is called but the one where you can select the system options and settings.

Thats all that we really need to do the things we want with in game XMB

[sephy 9 2 5]

Posted in the wrong place.

[Domer25]

Sure, great with that in mind when the ps3 hits its "supposed" climax graphically, the xbox 720 will be out and trumping the console market. Console lifespans have shortened immensely as with any other electronic product. Sony's 10 year plan is outdated and foolish

[zonetrooper5]

God some of you fanboys are blind and stupid. Some of you think that some of the games are 'CGI' lol, get with reality please. PC's have always been better than consoles and always will, still I like owning both a 360 and PS3 and I'm going to build a new PC in the Summer going to save up at least £1,000 to £1,500.

FF13 is a tired old series which does need to die, its boring and its got the same old gameplay over and over again but with better graphics. On the other hand, MGS4 looks awesome and the gameplay looks like so much fun. I'm will also get Crysis in the summer as well and I'm going to be getting GTA IV, Killzone 2, Fable 2, BK3, Halo Wars and LBP next year and maybe some other titles.

[heyheyhey]

same gameplay each time? dude have you even played ff12? it was much different from previous ff games and ff13 is going to have an even more advanced combat system- please play the games before you troll them please

[Mr Marbles]

Show me, and while your at it get outta third place, then I'll give the PS3 some props, till then, STFU.

These devs were asked about the PS3, but the same could be said for the 360, devs still are not using the 3 cores in that console either, so this is just more empty hype.

[DJ]

Developers have been using all three cores since Day 1: examples include Kameo and Project Gotham Racing. Efficiency is the only factor, as G5 cores only have a maximum efficiency of 75%.

If you need proof, simply PM me your email address and I'll send over Microsoft's developer document that showcases this.

[heyheyhey]

actually have already used all three cores- mass effect basically used every last drop of juice the 360 had and look at the results- great game because of great devs but filled with bugs because its on a crap console

meanwhile it will be at least 6-7 years (or even more) before devs start nearing the CELLS max capabilities so the 360 will be dead in a few years

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

i have told you ps3 isnt a console, and ps3 is the most powerful platform, not console, no pc can come close, and none can go over, get out

[Bombomb]

Ps3 wil shine for 2008 articles when it was suppose to shine for 2007.

I remember seeing the same type article at the beginning of 2007, I remember wait lair, wait warhawk, wait R&c, Wait uncharted...

In the end shallow sales Gow and Halo3 beats all of those in one sweep and thats just 2 games.

Promises, Potential, lies and more waiting, whatever you wanna call it "shine" my arse. I'll believe it when I see a constant change in performance not 1-3 week spikes of numbers.

[unlimited]

uncharted and ratchet is graphically amazing..yes lair too..the 360 cant even do it..halo 3 give me a break its look like halo 2..and gow does look great..but still unreal tournament 3 is even more amzing looking..

Get over it the PS3 have the best looking games out there..

[THE TERMINATOR]

Remember alot of these devs claiming this about the PS3 are multi-platform devs and therefore are not biased. I would rather believe them than these xfarts who claim they no more than actual developers!?!
Also Uncharted is proof that the PS3 eats up the 360, its simply cant be done on that pile of sh!t you call a console.

EDIT to the BOT below have you played Uncharted? My brother has a 360 and its a joke even he admits its crap and regrets buying it. Man you xbots are so BLIND. Do yourself a favour and instead of tossing off over your 360 every night buy a PS3.

[Mr Marbles]

Uncharted is not even in the same legue as Bioshock, let alone GOW, and Mass Effect. Just stop with the Uncharted BS, it looks like Dead Rising, just go to Gametrailers and do a side by side comparison of game video, the 360 did Uncharted like graphics a LONG time ago, stop swallowing the hype pea brain.

[shadowfish]

@Mr Marbles

Seriously, have you even SEEN uncharted? Let alone play it.

I am not badmouthing any games on the Xbox360, but to say it is graphically inept, is like to say bread is made from sheep's wool. I cannot see how you can badmouth a game of that graphical achievement.

[DrakenSilverwing]

The power of the ps3 is insane, and won't be untapped for a long time to come. Just look at the folding@home project of Stanford! They even admit they haven't been able to get all they can from the system, nowhere near. maybe one day, they and devs will unleash its power

http://fah-web.stanford.edu...

http://folding.stanford.edu...

And Roadrunner proves its power
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/...

http://www.technewsworld.co...

[FirstknighT]

Almost every ps3 article is filled with hopes and promises.

[TrooGamer]

Almost every PS3 thread is polluted by fangirls like you.

Sorry its true now get lost!

[RAM MAGNUMS]

But I know it was brought first to xbox 360. Gears of war is the first born child of the unreal engine and what system did it work on? Xbox 360. Since then there has been a few games that are great that has the unreal engine. Uncharted was not one of those great games because that game is lame. Expect to see more from the unreal engine but if every one of my games looked like gears of war. I would be dissappointed because there would be no variety. Unreal gave ps3 a bone by taking a lame game and putting some paint on it. But everyone knows the greatest games are played on the xbox 360 by the hardcore gamer. These sony droids get 2 games that has gears of war graphics and they think they have never ever played a better game? Its the same game they played on ps2 with gears of war graphics on it!!! How about they take spyro the dragon or army men 2008 and put some Gears of war graphics on it and wait for it as the ps3 movie watchers hit the browser button and yell on the internet " Oh my God" This game is goty!

[The_Engineer]

a topic like this is SOOO HARD to quantify because programming techniques are as varied as people's faces. THERE IS NO ONE SET WAY TO PROGRAM TO ACCOMPLISH A GIVEN TASK.

from the little bit I have read about what other devs have come up with to deal with the power the cell provides I can honestly say that for the most part EVERY GAME out there now is the equivalent to two mexicans pushing a dodge viper down the street because they can't handle actually turning on the engine and driving the beast.

the most I have heard of is devs using one SPU to handle geometry,lighting,effects,etc. with the RSX and PPE sharing most of the workload. What this means is that right now devs are just PLAYING with the SPU's. Who knows if one of them has had his "OH SH!T!!" moment when mulling over how to program for this puppy. With each one having a 256kb on die cache, (4) 8 bit registers (I believe)on each SPU, each one running @ 3.2GHZ......you got SOME SERIOUS POWER THERE MA BROTHA.

As soon as a dev figures out how to create a rendering pipeline that uses every last inch of each SPU 100% of the time you are going to see stuff that will most likely make the nightly news.

[DrakenSilverwing]

I agree with ya 100%, and i hope one day we will get to see what programmers can really do with the Cell processor.. IBM has recognized its potential and Roadrunner will soon be done using the Cell..

[lucas107]

did anyone ever notice how you only hear this 20%, 30% 40% of power garbage with the ps3. its like it has to be said. if someone is making a game for ps3 they have to say how much more awesome it could be but this is not true at all. think of it this way if you are using 99% of your cpu your computer is running like sh1t. you want to be below 50% or else your gonna lag. i could be wrong but this just sounds logical. why thou when anyone mentions ps3 they have to have percentages like that. you never hear that stuff with the 360 or wii. you never hear they are using X% of the 360. its like sony pays these people to say how much more awesome its gonna be so that people buy it now with hopes for awesome later. uncharted looks amazing and i love the water effects and the clothing effects but really i think its at best slightly better then anything 360 has to offer and thats only cause of the clothes getting wet thing other then that animamation is great but nothing unheard of and graphics are no better then the top 360 games. people are saying gears got outshined by UT3 well i should hope so its 1 year newer. and sure ps3 has 7 spu's but 360 has 3 2 threaded processors can anyone find me an article stating what % any 360 game is using or find me a game that uses all 3 of the 360's processors which are better then any ps3 spu when compared directly. dont flame me please because im just asking a question. no hate here. just hate all this ps3 will be so awesome 20% now 110% later, 7.2 gig animation stuff when its obviously not needed right now cause if it was cod4 would suck on 360.

[BestGamerAlive]

stop hatin an go renew ur live memberships u boylovers BEhold the power of the ALLMIGHTY CELL

[MegaTroll]

Who are you exactly? I got your back.

[scrillakiller]

BestGamerAlive - 36 Minutes ago

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Ignore37.2 - what scrillakilla said is true cod4 is the same
and i live with xbox is the best and i do all the gameing and he does all the lying and bullshiting on this websites just like the rest of u xbox fans probably because yall subscribtion is up

PATS 19-0 PS3 cant be stoped we the best PLAY BEYOND the allmighty CELL UNCHARTED DESTROYS gears of war and anything else on that system i put it 2 the test me an xbox da best he got mad and was like hold on let me get 2 a different stage and we kept testing but the box failed to look better SONYBOYZ we da best

[RadientFlux]

In the end of this console cycle I have no doubt that the PS3 will edge out the x360 when it comes to graphics.

But fanboys are kidding themselves if they think that graphical capabilities of the x360 have already been maxed out.

If it has I would have to say bravo to Microsoft because apparently they have done something that has never been done before in the history of video game consoles.

[no_more_heroes]

because I really don't think I have the willpower to wait until 2009 to get one. I already have a 360 (got it for Christmas - YAY!!) and I'm now working on getting a Wii and PS3. Still not sure which one I'm going to get first though.

[OldGamer]

"Pirates XXX" on Blu-Ray.

Google it.

PS3 porn ftw.

Who needs games?

lol

j/k

[Rice]

Ive yet to see porn in HI DEF or Blu ray, Dam times like this were i wish i was 18.

[ROCCOZILLA]

and they havent even got the console on full power.give it by the end of the year and look out.it will be a steam roller!just check out the heavy rain video.PLAY BEYOND!

[LinuxGuru]

This article makes me smile.

It's good to hear respected people in the industry finally speaking well of the PS3.

Can I get one "I told you so" with a side order of "kiss my ass", please?

Thanks.

[WilliamRLBaker]

I wish I could release an stastisical analyzer onto my system of choice that says current games only use 1 tenth of its powers *rolls eyes*
What a stupid article not only is it proven that consoles get better and better over time.....we dont need to actually be told it.
All the current gen systems will get better, geting the best stuff towards the end of their life.

[LinuxGuru]

You know, it's really a shame to see you grasping at straws, Baker.

Key leading people in the development industry make some claims, and you refute them with a generalization.

You don't know sh!t about the capabilities of the 360 or the PS3, yet you probably think you do.

Also, to say one thing about one console, isn't to apply it to all consoles.

When they say the PS3 is only barely being tapped...that doesn't apply to the 360 or the Wii. I don't care what you say to this, but it's true.

Anyways,

I, for one, along with the smarter developers out there, believe that games will change drastically for the better, for the PS3.

The 360 is modeled with PC development in design.

The PS3 is modeled after.....nothing?

The PS3 is highly original, and developers are finally seeing the quality and opportunities this originality presents them with.

[GITPWNED]

Dude, get that small, Asian, Sony c0ck out of your mouth. I think I just heard you say the PS3rd's hardware is better than 360's because it's "original"? LMFAO. And you think that's a GOOD thing?! Yeah, when people study game code and development tools for decades only to meet your "original" GrillStation head on which forces them to relearn the art of programming a game that they've all grown accustomed to, the results are magnificent! More like magnificent garbage. Think before you speak next time, OK?

[karlostomy]

First the HYPE:

- 120 fps
- 7 controllers
- Dual HDMI
- Trounce the Competition on day 1
- double the power of the competiton
- only using 30% of capacity
- Faster Bluray load times and more content
- PSN equal to live
- cell power equals better resolution and anti aliasing

The truth:

- 30 fps
- 600p, 720p, otherwise upscaled.
- 4 controllers only
- single HDMI (cable to be purchase separately at additional cost)
- STILL Lagging behind the competition in all recent multiplats
- Real accessible power limited by poorly designed memory bottleneck
- using 100% of capacity. Framerate issues in games? What?
- bluray slower load times. Textures no better than competition
- PSN less features, less downloads, unfulfilled promises (HOME)
- AA nonexistant on most multiplats. Resolution no better.

Ok. So i know that i'll probably lose bubbles, get ignored and smacktalked in this thread, but ......all of the above is TRUE!

I read this article http://n4g.com/News-96643.a... and couldnt believe it. The proof is in the pudding.

Who can admit it? MAN UP!

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@dacpn
you missed the point dude. I was highlighting that the PS3 has ALWAYS hyped itself and not measured up afterwards.

Couple of corrections for you:
- the 360 CAN do 1080p. natively.
- the Bluray does indeed read slower than the 12xdvd360.

Please try not to spew crap yourself in reaction mode.

[GITPWNED]

WOW. You just took a giant sh1t on every PS3rd droid's chest.... AWESOME! *Bubbles*

[Perkel]

PM
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Ignore74 - The truth about the ps3.
First the HYPE:

- 120 fps
- 7 controllers
- Dual HDMI
- Trounce the Competition on day 1
- double the power of the competiton
- only using 30% of capacity
- Faster Bluray load times and more content
- PSN equal to live
- cell power equals better resolution and anti aliasing

The truth:

- 30 fps
- 600p, 720p, otherwise upscaled.
- 4 controllers only
- single HDMI (cable to be purchase separately at additional cost)
- STILL Lagging behind the competition in all recent multiplats
- Real accessible power limited by poorly designed memory bottleneck
- using 100% of capacity. Framerate issues in games? What?
- bluray slower load times. Textures no better than competition
- PSN less features, less downloads, unfulfilled promises (HOME)
- AA nonexistant on most multiplats. Resolution no better.

Ok. So i know that i'll probably lose bubbles, get ignored and smacktalked in this thread, but ......all of the above is TRUE!

ROTFL u are funny and, all of that list IS or it Will be :)

-120 FPS yeah i'll do some game to proove that and what about this ? u don't even notice when game is running at 50fps or 120fps or 1000fps. And finally who said it ? Neither Sony, nor Fans ... + FOR PS3 ?
7 Controllers - Wow you missed. U can Actualy connect 7 Controlers ^^ Dumbass totALY + FOR ps3
-Dual HDMI- u got a point. But there is a SPDIF for superb sound... - for sony
-- Trounce the Competition on day 1: PS3 is after 360 for about a year. And yes PS3 sold more than 360 without any competition for a year period 1/2+ FOR PS3 (wii)
- only using 30% of capacity - Yeah devs od Uncharted said that ;) + for ps3
- BD 2x is't as fast as DVD 16x but is waay faster than a DVD 2x and for more I don't think that even one game on x360 run DVD player at 16x speed maybe 12x or 8x somethimes a little more but not 16x... Uncharted doesn't have any loading screens because game uses streaming technology (bad for Core x360 owners they can't use this) overall + for sony
-PSN equal to live- Live has 5years to reach this moment PSN only a year or something like that. On both systems u have a lag sometimes xbox have now better features but PSN is free for gaming online. If Sony release HOME LIVe will be worse. now is equal in feature will be worse (if MS do nothing to improve greatly LIVE).
-cell power equals better resolution and anti aliasing- there are more games in 1080p on ps3 than on x360, futhermore antyaliasing isn't so needed when u are playin' in 1080p (see Ninja gaiden Sigma) and futhemore there is no diffrence in quality of AA 2x is 2x :) + for resolutions for ps3, - for antyaliasing (because every game on x360 must have at least 2xaa)

yeah ignore is an option for u but I can actualy laugh on u ^^hahahahahahahaha (dumb ;) and your wisdom (hahah xD)

o one more i forgot:
Textures no better than competition - yeah see uncharted repeat this if u can .. :)

[rofldings]

There are plenty of games are run 60fps or 1080p native. Also, the PS3 DOES support up to 7 bluetooth devices - that includes 7 controllers. The rest of your comments and trumped by games like Uncharted, R&C, etc. And I use PSN to play games online on dedicated servers, that's ALL I want, and it delivers.

Btw, HDMI cables cost as little as $3 + shipping.

[karlostomy]

I love the desperate replies. and the numerous disagrees. keep it up- you get full marks for trying!

Guys, i know you are upset, but come on MAN UP!

Stop defending! It's sad and desperate! If the ps3 reaches it's potential by 2011 that's GREAT! But who will care? It'll be OLD by then.

99% of comparative reviews stipulate that games run better or look better on the 360 than the ps3.
Just read all of the articles here: http://n4g.com/News-96643.a...

But i bet you won't. You will keep praying and waiting and spouting reactionary drivel.

Touche

For those of you Sony leghumpers who have some backbone why not check this exhaustive supply of SONY lies, lies and bullsh!T
http://wikihost.org/wikis/u...

Happy new year 2008.

[Dacapn]

PS3 games are just gonna be straight up ridiculous once the devs get a handle around the hardware. A lot of the early PS3 games didn't even use the cell's architecture and they turned out at least comparable to the 360 counterparts. The games that do use the cell are usually leaps and bounds beyond what we've seen on the 360. Uncharted and Ratchet & Clank are prime examples.

The sheer amount of things going on in both those games is just crazy. For Ratchet, the ability to have hundreds of things exploding and moving while maintaining 60 fps and near pixar visual quality is mindboggling. Uncharted is in a league of it's own too. In that game they did something that is rarely seen in games. The environments were alive. If you've played Uncharted, you know what I mean. Walking through the rainforest, it looks like the environment is breathing. When wind blows you see it affect every piece of greenery in the area. On top of that, the game hits framerates above 30. Nuts.

When I look at Gears of War, the environments looked nice, but they were all static. There wasn't anything there to make me believe it was a grungy cave. It just looked like nice textures.

With Mass Effect, the game looks good from afar, but the framerate is probably the worst this gen. At points it's like playing a slideshow. If you can have awesome visuals AND hit a decent framerate, that's impressive.

When I look at the early PS2 games and then God of War 2, it'd be hard to convince me that they were made on the same system. If we're getting games like Uncharted, imagine what devs are gonna be cranking out later down the line.

Here's an interesting link that list's the games that use the PS3's SPEs and the ones that don't.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Edit: To korlostomy

-it does 60fps and can possibly do 120fps(360 might too), it's just there aren't any tvs that display 120fps
-PS3 can do native 1080p whereas the 360 does upscaled 1080p
-It does support 7 controllers. All Pro Football 2K8 has 7 player capabilities
-It's true blu ray reads slower, but the the PS3's blu ray drive still reads faster than the 360's DVD drive. And with HDD as a standard devs can cache info onto the harddrive to reduce load times(DMC4 has ZERO load times on PS3 version if you cache. Feature not available on 360 version)

No need to go down your entire list since you just spewed out crap of the top of your brain.

[GITPWNED]

People are still buying into the myth that PS3 has "untapped" power?? Why, because it's so damn difficult to develop for? How does that make it any more powerful than 360? I'm confused. Just look at the games. 360 games look and run better. Maybe when these WaitStation PS3rd games come out in five more years, all that "untapped" power will finally make most PS3 games half as great as their 360 counterpart. O-U-C-H

[karlostomy]

I think it's called 'Denial'

*b u b b l e s*

[travelguy2k]

I also o remember when i died, why did it die? because government enforced smog control, and guess what, no car makers could make a car powerful that met these constraints. Guess what... we now have 2.0 liter hondas with 240 horsepower the same horsepower as a 5.0 mustang. I realize there is a difference with torque and all that, i am just trying to make an illustration to the gaming industry, when something is new it takes time before they really harness the potential. We all know that the computing area develops 100 times faster than the auto industry so we defiantly wont have top wait that long before we see some real power and results from the PS3.

The Xbox 360 is using tried and true technology, its not new and so its easier to program for. We cannot expect the same growth out of 360 games as we can from the PS3, as the programers learn the systems and create the tools to make these games (unreal engine 3 ect...), we will have greater games being developed even faster and hopfully have less delays once these toolsets are widespread.

[ChickeyCantor]

So what if the PS3 hasn't showed its real power, Games like lair looked good but to many it was disappointing meaning that it doesn't matter what you sh/t on screen it should be fun.

And yes there are people who liked it, but my point is no matter how much you take out off a system; if tha gameplay sucks, its not worth all that power.

I'm waiting for LBP and to be honest,what this game showed already, IMO i don't think it needs to get better then that.....

its almost like people are convincing them selves that its important that their console can push 1 more pixel then the other.

And Square is going to tap most out of it anyway....thats just plain obvious

[Daz]

So true, fanboys take note.

Bubble for you.

[Si-Pie]

Yep very true and great point. Here have a bubble.

[ChickeyCantor]

*sidar uses recoil*
A direct hit! foes get bubbles

[Dogswithguns]

.... all of my friends got PS3s for this Christmas. 2008 it is.

[The Dark Knight]

well i just bought a ps3, so now i have a ps3 360 and wii. so can i please have some bubbles im not a fanboy anymore:)

[Si-Pie]

here i will give you a bubble.

[The Dark Knight]

YAY!

[rofldings]

pics or it didn't happen

[travelguy2k]

Just so i can get this straight...The only reason you were bashing the PS3 was because you didn't have one?

For me the people that should or have the right to be a "fanboy" are the people that own all 2 systems, you are the only one that can truly know all their strengths and or faults. So in my opinion, you NOW have the right to be a fanboy, as you no longer have a biased opinion due to not owning all the systems.

Again...not to nitpick...lol ;)

[Si-Pie]

I think we will see alot more from the PS3 and am sure games will just get better and better. I still dont think we have seen the best from the 360 either and I know people say how the 360 is a PC and its been maxed out but if your saying that then why did we see better and better games on the original xbox towards the end of its life? The xbox was much closer to a PC than the 360 is.Developers are very talented people and tend to have the skills to find new ways of using a system and squeezing more and more out of it. Lets face it though none of the consoles will ever match up to a PC for graphics etc and Yes I know PCs do cost alot more and tend not to get alot of the games. But back to the article I really think the PS3 is a great machine and when we see all these great games coming out i.e MGS4, Little Big Planet etc then I will pick one up and have it along side my wii and 360.

[felidae]

I'm proud to own a PS3.

Best Next-Gen machine out there.

xbox 360??? .. wtf?

[Spike47]

attention to karlestomy or whatever.

he's too brainwashed by MS too realize that the ps3 has sold the same amount of consoles as the 360 with no games out in it's first year.

Plus, he's jealous that in 2008 exclusive ps3 titles are not on the 360 simply because they can't fit on the 360.

Yes some games that are on the 360 and ps3 hhave looked bad on the ps3 but only because the devs wanted them to look bad. The HL2 dev was talking trash about the ps3 and peter moore moved to EA and that's when madden came out with bad framerates on the ps3.
But who cares uncharted and ratchet alreeady prove that the ps3 can do more.

I can't wait for destiny to take a crap on you're chest.

[prowiew]

I got a feeling that ps3 has more power than 360. But the problem is that it has no good games right now. My ps3 is collecting dust at this moment. Also, Im starting to hate the unreal engine. Every game is looking the same, and the engine is already showing its age. Thats why games like cod4, uncharted, are looking better. I know there are good looking unreal engine games; Its that every developer is using it, and every game is starting to look the same.

[moujahed]

I was satisfied when I got a PS1, was more satisfied when I got my PS2 that lasted so many years. Now Im even more satisfied now that I have a PS3. Simple.

[ban fans]

I agree with your points about the unreal engine showing its age and that PS3 has more power than 360. But, there are great games on the PS3 right now. You named two in your statement; uncharted and COD4, but let's not forget The darkness, Virtua Fighter, Oblivian, Guitar Hero III, Rock Band, Resistance, Tom Clancy:Vegas, Ratchet and Clank, and some great sports titles like Skake, Madden, and NHL 08 just to start the list. If these and the host of others aren't enough to keep us as gamers busy, I think you spend way too much time playing games. I've got ten PS3 games and have only completed about half of them, and half of those I will go back and play just because they are so much fun.

The future looks bright on the game front and the library we have to choose from right now is pretty good too. I think we are getting a little jaded as gamers, expecting the world on a platter.

[tordavis]

It's MTV Cribs, with Maddens Raiders!

tordavis: "Madden you're so successful. Tell us about your crib."
Maddens Raiders: "Look at my crib! Look at my HDTV! I gots moneh and PS3. I'm gonna show it off to the world on N4G! I'm a Sony superstar!"
tordavis: "No really, tell us about your crib."
Maddens Raiders: "I can rap too. 'Look at all the stuff I own. Don't you wanna be like me?/I have no friends so I post all my house pics on N4G!'"

[Rice]

Patriots FTW, and Miami Dolphins.

[mikeslemonade]

360 is already using 90% with PGR4. Paying $400 or $500 for a PS3 is a good investment because you will see better games every year for the next 6 years atleast. This is where unconventional strong hardware has the advantage. The conventional is easy to develop for but the potential isn't as great.

[sleepbox]

As a Ghostbuster would say: "I'm ready to believe you" Sony but you've yet to prove yourself as of yet.

I want ALL games with 120 frames per second as promised by Sony. Then perhaps I shall sink for the purchase.

[prowiew]

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[prowiew]

I understand your points. And I was exagerating on the lack of games front. I do know the future is bright for ps3 games. Maybe even better than 360. My problem is that as an owner of both consoles, I had bought every multiplatform game for 360 (just because 3 best friend have the 360).

[SSCOOLCHEA]

SMOKE A BLUNT AND PLAY WITH MOST POWERFUL SYSTEM EVER CREATED
07 WAS HEAVEN FOR ME AS A PS3 FANBOY CANT WAIT FOR 08 PLAY B3YOND

[Rice]

ya man

[iiprotocolii]

Wow... you either seriously don't know how to read, or you're some sort of special education student. What proof is there that the PS3 is not using 100% of its capabilities? Ummm... developers are stating it. I mean, are you going to sit there and argue with Epic, Bathesda, Insomniac, and everyone other developer vouching for this?

I'm no fanboy. I own all systems known to man... but you can't sit there and argue the fact that in the past year, PS3 games have improved and, in fact - with it's one-year life span, has developed bigger games than the 360 graphically and systematically has in two. You cannot sit there, as a gamer, and tell me that games like Uncharted, Ratchet, Unreal III, Heavenly Sword, Folklore, and Grand Turismo (which is downloadable) are worthless when, in one year, PS3 has already achieved, gaming wise, what 360 has in two. In two years, the 360 has put out Gears, Mass Effect, Halo 3, and Bioshock. In it's two years, the 360 has only accomplished to make four awesome games that it took PS3 to do in less. Seriously, there is no argument there.

As per Xbox Live; I love it. I seriously do. But to pay for a service that's perpetually down and playing on non-dedicated servers really seems cheesy. It's like paying a baker when the bread is free. Why would I pay for something when I'm not using them to access online play? I pay nothing on the PSN and enjoy playing COD4 just as much - if even more since I'm saving a buck - as on the 360. The 360 has great content, don't get me wrong. But the PSN will eventually catch up to it. It's still an infant, but in the coming years, it will mature into a monster.

Btw, for all you morons who are seriously debating the fact that PS3 has better architecture than 360, google. Speak to developers and find out. I hate it when people try to argue against the devs as if they know better. Google is your best friend search the comparisons and find out for yourselves.

[light]

I read almost all comments here. Some makes sense and some doesn't. But, GITPWNED is the stupidest person here with stupid comments. You really need to go to school boy.

[mintaro]

this year is gonna be thuper thuper awesomness

[OJ_juice]

If you look at the list of developers for all 3 nintendo, sony, and microsoft. Sony has more 1st party developers then both microsoft and nintendo combined. So by the end of this gen. sony will dish up more exclusive games then the 360.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

I love taking bubbles from stupid people ^^

[LiquifiedArt]

I cant stand Microsoft Destroying the console industry and making Cash Slaves out of pubecent kids who dont understand they are being roped into slavery for the Big Co.

But on a serious note, People dont really seem to understand the Archietecture Sony has always followed. the CPU (CELL) in the ps3 is a very Specific type of processing Unit that Exceeds at mathimatical calculations (perfect for Audio/visual) this means gaming. Whenever someone specializes in one area, it will outperform the others by a large margin.

A good Way to look at this is a GPU. It is Specific to do Vector Calculations on Floating point and/or Whole numbers. This is what makes a GPU Lightning fast compared to teh lame CPU. Think of the Cell as 2/3rds GPU and 1/3 CPU.now factor in the Speed and teh NUMBER of Processors.

I think you'll find PS3 games will look cleaner, shaper, better. Have mroe robust physics systems, more lighting techniques used at once. More animations, and more particle effects..

Some might think "Big deal more physics and animations".
umm you seem to not be looking at the bigger picture if i can do 1000 character animations real-time and well as calculate all there physics components as well as do lighting. What does that give me? Games where u Fight ARMIES instead of 2 enemies. Look at Heavenly Sword. 1000 enemies and it was awesome. Look at Ninja Gaiden its an xbox designed game at the heart of it, and althought its a great game. You only ever fight 3-5(max) enemies at once. If your in a Special Mission then they boost up the number to 10.

10 vs. 1000 You be the judge.

"Play B3yond."

[ban fans]

is like trying to nail jello to the wall, no matter how hard you try to pound the point home, it just slips away.

Just like my points about programming vs hardware design in 17.2 and 19. Hardware that is harder to progam for will take longer for developers to learn and open the potential of the system up. People tried to say the same holds true for all systems, but that isn't so. Different hardware is easier to crack than others thus making better looking games easier to achieve right out of the box. PS3 will take time to achieve full potential.

I'm not sure how people can fight this point, but they try. "Just look at the games" Thank you for making my point. Right now 360 may look better in multiplatform games and maybe even in general, but as soon as the developers get the hang of the programming, PS3 will have games that look far better than what the 360 can produce.
Example - Gametrailers.com says Uncharted is the best looking game on any system after comparing it to Mass Effect. They are just starting to crack the surface.

[OldGamer]

Stop arguing over dumb crap and just buy the system you like and play the games you like.

That's it. No arguing. No forum bashing. It really is THAT simple.

You think the PS3 is crap? Don't buy it.
You think X-Box is crap? Don't buy it.
You think Wii is crap? Don't buy it.

Play what YOU want and f**k what everyone else thinks. That's what life is all about, isn't it? Enjoy it.

I own a PS3. No X-Box or Wii and I have my reasons. I don't bash any consoles or the people who support them. But I'm mature enough to not have to defend myself on a website either.

Life's a game. It doesn't matter whether you win or lose, but how much fun you had playing.