PlayStation 4 is "Essentially a PC" in Terms of Tech

GR - "Tucked away behind a registration wall, Digital Foundry's Richard Leadbetter has heard from what he claims to be a reputable source that the upcoming Sony console—the PlayStation 4—is "essentially a PC" in terms of its technological make-up."

[reynod]

Its a PC with no BC.

People say console gaming is supposed to be cheap. Its funny people fail to calculate all the games they purchased this gen may not work next gen. Imo that alone is a loss worth thousands of USDs. Even if console gamers disregard the fast that every game bought on PC is eachper.

Imo current Mid range PC owners might not even have to upgrade to match or exceed the performance of upcoming consoles.

All of a sudden console gaming looks expensive. I guess ill be laughing at the people buying HD remakes just to get some BC back.

edit: If it really is based on X86 it just means emulating PS4 will be all the more easier on a PC. Hence this may not be a good move. Good for me though, id personally buy the software play it on a PC.

@below

Well with dumping Cell and going X86, getting BC will be a nightmare unless they decide to include the PS3 hardware in the box, which defeats the point of making the system cost effective.

I personally play my old games on the PC too. I still play alot of CS, Warcraft 3 (Dota), id kill a kitten if i was told those games would no longer work on my next build. Great to be a PC gamer 1000's of games on my catalog and growing everyday. Its cool starting another gen with all my lib, oh wait we dont have gens lol.

[fluffydelusions]

No one knows if it will or won't have BC yet. No point in really talking about that yet. That said, that is the good thing about PC in that you don't have to really worry about BC. I'm still playing games from over a decade ago no problem. Also, Steam deals ah gotta love them. Can't get anything like them on console sadly. I mean where else can you get Fallout NV + all DLC for $7?

[T900]

"Its a PC with no BC."

Let me correct that a bit

Its a PC with:

No BC
Limited functionality
Locked down
Expensive accessories
Limited upgrade path
Royalties on every game bought
Has its controls in the hands of the maker.

List goes on.

[sikbeta]

PS4 better has loads of games on launch day if there is no BC for it, the fact that I'll not be able to play GT5 annoys me the most, GT6 on launch day!

Honestly, if they don't have a great launch lineup, I'll not buy a damn!

[ApplEaglElephant]

Whether its close to PC or not, console will be WAY more efficient. Thats just the nature of it.

Devs will be able to make games way more efficient to the hardware cause everyone has the same. Even if it gets out speced by PC, it will easily outperform still.

Sorry to break it to ya, but BC is still very possible with addition to few hardware. and from way Sony is going with VIta, i would say it would happen.

anyway, it will have amazing exclusives that will destroy Xbox and PC anyways, and thats what matters the most.

[firelogic]

@sikbeta, hey genius, how about playing that copy of GT5 on the machine it was made for? You know, that PS3 thing you have sitting by your TV. If playing GT5 is THAT important to you, don't buy a PS4. It's as simple as that.

[SilentNegotiator]

@T900

Uh, I think he meant that the CPU, GPU are more akin to what you find in a PC, and less like the cell.

No need to go on an elitist rage because hardware was compared to being typical hardware.

@Sikbeta
Oh stop trolling. You wouldn't buy a playstation product if it dispensed money and horny sexy people.

[Boody-Bandit]

Here we go again. The next Playstation hasn't even officially been announced and people are speculating it's impending doom. If you have a plethora of PS3 titles then you obviously have a PS3 console.

There is no need for backwards compatibility any more. We don't live in an age where displays only have 1 or 2 video inputs. Most displays today have several and that was the single biggest concern from previous generations. Having to disconnect one console to connect another because of limited inputs on your display.

That is no longer the case so there is no reason why anyone should use this as a strike against a console for any reason. Besides the biggest reason, The damn system hasn't officially been announced and NOBODY knows it's TRUE specs yet.

[jthamind]

yeah, it's essentially a PC that will be outdated when it hits the market. in addition to everything T900 pointed out.

[DigitalxPiracy]

@T900

So what you're saying is that it's like a PC but not really? :) I'm done with consoles.

[AngryTypingGuy]

In other words, the PS4 will feature cross-game chat.

[Muerte2494]

I highly doubt that Sony is abandoning the Cell for this simple reason. Even til this day is still one of the fastest processors out there. If you also look at the Piledriver from amd and Ivybridge from Intel, their essentially setting themselves up to be like the Cell. It's much more cost effective then outsorcing it.

Regarding the statement about the ps4 being more like a PC. I would like to go and correct them a bit. PS3 still has a GPU and CPU. Sony just partially achieved what Intel was trying to do with the Larabee. Why abandon something thousands of developer have spent time optimizing coding for it.

Sorry for it being so long but that's my two cents.

@AngryTypingGuy, it had nothing to do with the Cell or RSX, it came down to just not having enough RAM.

[MaxXAttaxX]

There are some games(such as PS3 games) that no matter how hard you try or how much you pay for tech, you won't be able to play on PC.

People have friends on PSN. There's an existing community.

You people believe that simply gaming on PC automatically means better graphics/performace. The average PC owner doesn't even have a "high end" PC.
Where as all console owners get an equal experience.

The people who care the most about how "outdated" console hardware is/will be are PC fanboys.

[ChiVoLok0]

It's probably a combination of a PC and a Playstation so maybe they should call it PC4 instead os PS4? Jk that would sound dumb

[Oner]

@ Brutallyhonest ~ "Here we go again. The next Playstation hasn't even officially been announced and people are speculating it's impending doom."

Nothing different from what has been said in the media (and N4G) since 06/07 or so....(quoted for absolute and complete TRUTH).

+Agree
+WellSaid

Period.

Edit: Oh, almost forgot (gotta save them "bubbles" ya know lol)...there is nothing more to say than that to prove *some* others wrong here (like a few below) because they can't even admit the truth when proven WRONG with complete confirm-able proof.

;P

[BattleAxe]

I was a PS2 owner, I currently own a 60 GB PS3 that I bought in Sept 2007, I also own a 120 GB Slim PS3 that I upgraded to a 500 GB HDD, and I own a PSP 2000. Currently I own around 22 or 23 full games that I've downloaded from the PSN. I can say for certain, that if SONY doesn't bring full Backwards Compatibility to the PS4, then I won't be buying any next generation console. If BC isn't a feature on the PS4, then I would probably just buy another PS3 if the two that I own ever decide to up and quit on me.

I've also been the proud owner of a Dell Studio XPS 9000 for the past 2 1/2 years. Over the past 2 years, I have become a major fan of STEAM, so I wouldn't have any problem whatsoever just sticking with my PC for all my gaming needs. I have to say however, that there is a chance that I would pick up a PS VITA, but only if they add HDMI Out.

[AngryTypingGuy]

What, you "people" disagree with me? How much you wanna bet that the PS4 has cross-game chat? ;-D

Sarcasm folks, sarcasm.

[F7U12]

@T900

And for all those reasons you listed and more are why I will never go back to consoles for my gaming needs. The cost for games at the moment on consoles is just to damn high!

http://i.imgur.com/XkhI8.jp...

I don't even want to think about my fellow gamers that have to pay just so that they can game online...poor bastards!

<3 Steam

[RufustheKing]

Playstation will be doomed for the fisrt 3 years if they make the same mistakes as they did with the PS3. affordable price, Good launch titles.

also throw in a mic into the box as well. one thing PS suffered from more than anything was MP with no one talking or planning attacks.

[Army_of_Darkness]

I have a solution although its a little crazy, but how about just keeping your ps3?!?! Maybe Sony is letting us know this ahead of time so we don't end up trading or selling our consoles?? Just saying... I can't help but notice how pc fanboys are the ones mainly complaining about this, like as if they were gonna buy one in the first place. They just scared that consoles are gonna eventually be almost, if not as powerful as PCs soon. Lol! Btw, games on consoles are actually pretty cheap, if your willing to wait 6-12 months later after a new released game. From $60 to $20/$30 in a price drop less than a year isn't to shabby if you ask me.

[Jobesy]

@ Reynod, "People say console gaming is supposed to be cheap. Its funny people fail to calculate all the games they purchased this gen may not work next gen. Imo that alone is a loss worth thousands of USDs. Even if console gamers disregard the fast that every game bought on PC is eachper."

1. Hmmm, you can't Gamefly/Blockbuster/Redbox PC games...just saying. Gaming is only expensive if you want it to be. I've played EVERY single game this gen that I've wanted to for a very minimal amount of money. See, us console gamers aren't forced to purchase games at retail in order to play them. If we do choose to buy them we can easily sell them for 75% of it's value within a couple months.

2. I wasn't aware that when a new console releases all the games I currently have will stop working! Damn, who knew discs had expiration dates on them!

[Gamer1982]

Like a PC first and foremost will solve PS3 game development issues. Remember 360 getting exclusives and games early as it was almost a pc? So therefore easier to port/develop for? This is a good move for Sony.

[Dee_91]

for someone that knows nothing about anything some of you sure have a lot to say.

[Ariadeno]

You're wrong about the ps4 easily being emulated. The first Xbox is based on x86 too, but a working xbox emulator has yet to come.

[reynod]

I didnt say easily emulated. I did say Easier. Check CXBX its an emulator for the original Xbox. Sure it doesnt run many games however it is there.

There wasnt much incentive to Emulate the Xbox 1 to begin with because most of its games were out on the PC anyways. Cell was simply too complicated to emulate. In comparison an X86 CPU will be much easier.

[Baka-akaB]

there were plenty incentive and exclusive actually . They just couldnt do it for a long long while , and still can't do it properly

[hellvaguy]

"but a working xbox emulator has yet to come"

Um hate to break it to you but 90-95% of the xbox games are already compatible on the 360, so there wouldnt be much profit in making an emulator.

http://support.xbox.com/en-...

[Ariadeno]

Hellvaguy

Dear friend we're talking about an emulator on pc, not an xbox emulator on 360.

[Ariadeno]

Yeah, the emulator is there but you forgot that the best you can get out of it is a roughly 6 frames per second even on a high end pc. Okay youre saying easier, but the ps2 had a more complex architecture than xbox too. The ps2 emulator wound up having much much better results than the xbox emulator despite the complex architecture. Besides that, the xbox had windows as its OS and did use the directx library which is also not that difficult to emulate. I agree that x86 is easier than any other arch to emulate on a pc, but even if it is slightly easier we won't see a PS4 emulator. It isn't just simply the architecture. A lot of reverse engineering needs to be done.

[Baka-akaB]

I dont even see that many people claim that console gaming is cheaper actually . Hell almost never .

People argue only about the initial cost of the machines . And despite constant posts telling otherwise , the initial cost of a good gaming pc is higher .

Now of course you'd wanna factor later in the cost of the game , always higher on consoles , not to mention dlcs .

But pc fanatics are every bit as bad as consoles fanboy when it comes to fudging numbers . They love to pretend they'd buy a a flat 300 dollar rate machine to play everything in high settings , whatever the year , or they'd out of the blue factor in the cost of tvs when it comes to consoles ... as if you didnt buy screens for pc neither .

You make a good point about old games , but even then , you kinda forget that BC has been a part of consoles gaming for years now , be it fully or partially . Or that at some point the old machines gets incredibly cheaper .

It wasnt that long ago that the ps2 and dreamcast got well emulated , and depending on games there were (and still are) a few bugs and kinks to iron out or requiring some high end specs at first . Meanwhile new and used ps2 have been available still in masses for dirt cheap .

[petereater]

pc is cheaper in the long run even if you pay $1000 for new hardware the direct download titles are usually $40 instead of the console average $60 price tag

that $20 adds way up in the long run

[OpenGL]

Well console gaming definitely is not cheaper in the long run, but as a PC gamer I can understand why some prefer it as there is a certain amount of convenience to console gaming, and some titles you simply cannot get on the PC.

[Colwyn]

Jumps for joy.

[n4f]

why they have to compare it to pc, i thought pc was suppose to be dying!/s
does that mean that it will be dead on arrival?!1
any way i love my asus no complain about that but why do sony have to compare and put so much in there products. ps3 was suppose to be 4dimention where the eff is that.

[ChrisW]

I guess comparing it to a PC is better than saying it's a multimedia-entertainment-Blu-R ay player.

[sikbeta]

It's because of the nature of the CPU, the chips used in consoles are closed or something like that while PCs no way, that's why the comparison and they don't have any problem with the console being a multimedia device, in fact that's one of the selling points :P

[BubloZX]

where in hell did sony state the ps3 would be 4 dimensional?

[Laika]

not all pc games play so easily. I have multiple old games on steam that I can't get to work. I eventually gave up on them. also people seem to forget that just because a new Gen starts that doesn't mean you have to ditch your old system. lastly i hate when people say pc games are so cheap. just about every big must have AAA title has been 60

ps i heart dota :)

[TitanUp]

its because of sales,daily deals,weekend deals,mac monday,holiday sales all from digital services

steam right now,jurasic park 66% 10.19

ass creed rev 24.99$

gamersgate crysis complete pack 23.96

greenmangaming borderlands 4.99

impulse wheelman 2.49 and there is a few more good services out there with more sales and some weekend deals are going to be showing up.

[Highlife]

"People say console gaming is supposed to be cheap. Its funny people fail to calculate all the games they purchased this gen may not work next gen. Imo that alone is a loss worth thousands of USDs."

No one says that you have to ditch your ps3!

[HappyGaming]

If you have thousands of games for your 360 or PS3 it means you have a flipping 360 or PS3 who is stopping you from playing those games on your console if you cant play them on the next gen console?

[xflo360]

No offence but you come across as bein a complete nob.

[gypsygib]

@ reynod

If you have a bunch of PS3 games, I'm assuming you have a PS3 too....just keep that and problem solved.

I still have my PS1 and PS2 (and their boxes) because I'm not giving away my system that I paid 300-400 dollars for to EB Games for $40. I rather just keep it, and if they're worth so little I rather just treat it like a collectors item.

Who knows, in 20 years you may be able to sell the entire Playstation family on EBay to a collector for $1000.

I don't know why people place so much importance on BC when they'll spend 90%+ of their time playing new beautiful PS4 games.

[ProjectVulcan]

Yep, i believe it is better to keep the original machine in the case of PS3 it will difficult to emulate or expensive to include PS3's chipset in a new machine. I personally don't need or want it, if i already have a PS3.

It isn't such a big deal, it never used to be until a few generations ago. In reality i doubt it is now just because of the amount of people that still bought a PS3 knowing it couldn't play PS2 games.

[specialguest]

I also don't get why BC is being blown out of propotion and made into this huge issue. Every past consoles that used cartridge except Atari 2600-7800 did not have BC and no one ever complained. Like what many have already stated, if they truely need to play their last gen games again, just play it on the original console they own.

[Arksine]

It sounds to me like Leadbetter has heard that Sony will be using an AMD APU for their next console, and from that he is extrapolating that it will be "essentially a PC."

It sounds very much like the AMD part could be true, and if that is the case I do think it will include their fusion technology. That said, I don't think it would be one if their standard off the shelf x86 processors. It would be a fusion product tweaked for a console environment.

If Sony wanted to with off the shelf x86, it would make more sense to go with Intel. They are the ones getting ready to deploy 22nm technology, and their x86 architecture is currently the best performance wise.

If these rumors are true, AMD must have shown Sony something behind closed doors that really blew their socks off. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to just abandon the Cell, and it wouldn't make sense to choose AMD over Intel.

[ProjectVulcan]

An AMD APU essentially means that it can never be the absolute cutting edge of videogame technology and performance.

Using one single die, one chip, with a CPU and a GPU integrated together means you will get memory bus bandwidth and latency advantages.

But it isn't nearly enough to compensate for the fact neither chip can be massive and thus at the cutting edge of performance because they are sharing space.

They will only ever be at least 1 whole generation behind the fastest graphics processors around in terms of top end performance.

It is clear AMD's CPUs are inferior to Intel's, but of course their graphics technology is far more advanced. Sony probably shopped around for designs and an AMD APU would have been attractive for the cost and simplicity of design.

Choosing that means you reject the cost and complexity of multiple chips. You give up performance but really i think maximum outright speed is no longer a goal for consoles. Especially after seeing Wii's success.

All this generation developers have complained about the rising cost of their trade. Sony would be very smart if they delivered a very simple but powerful platform and fantastic set of devtools.

Being attractive to developers is always a great thing and ensures your machine always gets the talent it deserves working with it.

[Silly gameAr]

When did BC become so important that it would make or break a system. Aren't new systems supposed to have their own games?

[ThatArtGuy]

It's because it's Sony. No one talks BC when it comes to other consoles.

[SkyGamer]

For a long time it didn't matter. We were fine with the Atari, Nintendo and Sega eras. Then came in playstation and they were the ones that touted bc as such an important feature. MS tried to keep up but with different chipsets, it was impossible to have 100%. Nintendo did with Wii but essentially Wii is an enhanced Gamecube with same architecture.

[aznrunner1881]

what is a BC?

[Hassassin]

beloved companion

[ElementX]

backwards compatibility

[GraveLord]

All the games I purchased for my PS3 will still work next gen. Why? I'm keeping my PS3.

About you playing your old games on PC......Windows Vista says hi. You know that wasn't very compatible with old games.

[caboose32]

Good Old Games says HI.

A website used exclusively for selling OLD pc games compatible with new systems.

[raytraceme]

Sony owns the cell plant why the f would they not use the cell??? Also amd bulldozer is a fail that i accidently purchased. AMD has shitty processors so why use them for both?

[Nes_Daze]

Obviously you're a pc gamer, I have no interest in playing on a piece of hardware that practically has no online community. Only reason I'd stick to building a complicated rig and slouching over my computer desk would be a very good mmo, which I haven't found yet..

[annus]

You know you're a console gamer when you think PC has no online community. WoW still has over 10million active subscribers, that's not just people who bought the game, they are still paying the ~$12 a month to play it. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe any console has even close to that many people still playing any game, infact I doubt there is any game that still even has 2 million active players. PC community obviously is non existent.

[360ICE]

It's a PC with games :P
No, but can we stop talking trash about each others platforms? Are you trying to convince others their choice is irrational? Let me be the first to say, it doesn't work that way. Personally I wouldn't play games with a mouse and keyboard if I was payed to do it - and I have all the understanding in the world for people who would rather burn a controller than use it to play video games. People's choice of platform is about the little things. That game you played as a kid is on that platform, it's nice having split-screen or it's nice being able to keep work and play on one machine. It's not about rationality, and neither should it be so let's all live happily alongside each other.

[wicko]

You realize the PS2 shipped with PSX hardware, and PS3 shipped with PS2 hardware? It is far from a given that PS4 won't play PS3 games.

[stuna1]

Just for argument sake there is no b/c for ps3 game the ps4! That does not change the fact for those of us gamers, myself included who have spent countless dollars on gaming will still possess a ps3 when the ps4 does come out!

In this day and age, one would be hard pressed to find a one console individual. Just saying!

[JsonHenry]

I've read reports from actual tech sites and most of which seem to agree they are going with and AMD Fusion GPU/CPU style setup in their next console.

If so that could be really be really big for multiplats next gen as the PS4 will be easier to code for by a large margin than the current generation PS3.

[THESONYPS3]

PS4, sounds dreamy, doesn't it?

[THESONYPS3]

Dont worry we have everything under controll ;)

[MysticStrummer]

What?!? An article about a console or it's games is being trolled by PC fans? Shocking. How about this idea... wait until the thing actually exists before you start running it down. Maybe you can use the time in between now and then to play all those amazing PC games we keep hearing about. You know... the games that should be keeping you busy right now but aren't...?

[hellvaguy]

If you buy digital copies, you dont have to worry about bc.

[gaden_malak]

I didn't know my PS3 would disappear the moment I got a PS4.

Oh wait it doesn't. If I want to play a PS3 game I will play it on a PS3.

The point of a console is to play current-gen games, not old ones.

[Tsar4ever01]

"PlayStation 4 is "Essentially a PC" in Terms of Tech" Hmm, I remember ways back when K. Kutaragi promo-ed the PS3 "Essentially a super computer" ways back......

Another AMD/ATI built in the PS4 thingy again. Man, all this time I was "tech dreaming" the specs for the ps4 like,

CPU: POWER7, MULTI-Core PPE 32nms
GPU: NVIDIA GTX-460, 1GB GDDR5 VRAM
MEMORY: 4GB GDDR3

Then months after that, New article comes to N4G, "Sony buy Toshiba Cell plant, will be using cell for the PS4",

Damn, had to re dream spec this over again....

CPU: CELL BE2, DUAL CORE PPE, 16SPE 32mns, 3.8Ghz
GPU: NVIDIA GTX-5??, 1GB GDDR5 VRAM or POWERVR 6, 7 or 8 GPU
MEMORY: 4GB GDDR3

Turns out that the "PowerVR GPU for next PS" articles were not for the ps4, but the GPU for the PSvita.

Few months after that. New post shows up on N4G. "Game devs demands MORE SYSTEM MEMORY on next gen consoles" Crytek devs want to see at least 8GB, Epic, Bethesda & Dice also want LOTS MORE RAM. J. Carmack want to see more CORES in next gen consoles.

Ok, now again,
CPU: CELL2, QUAD CORE PPE, 28SPE, 3.8Ghz, 32nm
GPU: NVIDIA GTX-560, 1.5GB GDDR5 or KEPLER GTX-760/GK-104 w 2GB GDDR5 VRAM
MEMORY: 8GB GDDR3

Now, "Rumor SONY's dropping the CELL, AMD/ATI will be making GPU for PS4"

!!!!???? Doh!!!

Now do I have to start tech dreaming an AMD fusion
APU/Radeon specs now?

[Hayabusa 117]

And the moral of the story is...don't rely on N4G for your info (although some of those rumours might actually be true ;))

[andibandit]

@Reynod

I used to be a PC gamer, but i got tired of all the aimbot wallhacker stuff.

I also tired of having to search forums to figure out why X game crashed during Y sequence on my pc.

I also got tired of when getting beat, thinking maybe it's because the opponent has a faster PC, hence i must start thinking about upgrading.

i also tired of:
Updates for windows, updates for antivirus, update for flash, updates for internet explorer, updates for uTorrent, updates for java, update for messenger, defragging, find drivers, clean registry, uninstall some freaking toolbar i didnt want......list is endless.

nowadays i just come home, turn on one of the consoles, sit in my sofa, light a cigarette, kick back and relax.
And when there is an update for one of the consoles, i get a little bit excited.

[Akin0]

Cell is already emulated on x86 architecture. You can download a cell emulator and write programs on your linux pc to run on the cell emulator. No doubt Sony already has an RSX emulator. So this go around BC is not a technical decision its a business one.

As I said below IBM screwed over Sony by reusing the Cell core in Xenon, so no surprise Sony is going with AMD. Without Cell there is no Xenon and no Xbox360.

[zero_cool]

Science is unique in that its methods demand not only that the ideas proposed be tested and replicated, but everything science comes up with is also inherently falsifiable. In other words, unlike religion and politics, science has no ego, and everything it suggests accepts the possibility of being proven wrong eventually. It holds on to nothing and evolves constantly.”

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[Hayabusa 117]

FFS! I'm tired of people moaning about BC. Why would you need it? If you want to hold to your old games and still play them, then keep your PS3/360. And I'm perfetly happy leaving old games behind to play new ones. Sure, I still play old games I enjoy, but if I can't play them any more, too bad, I'll miss 'em, but I'll also move on and play something else. It's part of life FFS.

Ever heard of a game called Otogi on the Xbox? One of my favourite games of all time. It isn't BC on the 360 because it isn't well known. If I want to play it, I'll stick it in my original XBox and turn it on. Simple.

And console gamers don't waste 1000 USD on games, because they played them when they came out and enjoyed them. At the end of the day, if people want to play a old game for the rest of eternity they can, they don't need new hardware that's BC to do that :P

[2pacalypsenow]

I have a Gaming PC with SLI GTX580's and i still enjoy console gaming more

[fluffydelusions]

Good if true...that means easier for devs to work with

[DA_SHREDDER]

Not only easier to work with, but also open source, like how the ps3 already implements certain aspects from Steam. The ps3 uses open source code already, so this is really no surprise.

Edit: I see fluffy, but you get what I'm saying, Steam already works on ps3 through the software, so I would imagine the ps4 will beable to do more than what the ps3 is already doing.

[fluffydelusions]

Using opensource code and being opensource is completely different. OSX/iOS uses opensource code but is far from OSS...same with PS3.

[AmaZinG]

i think Sony is going the right way because Xbox got alot of support because it was easy and similiar to a pc to develop...

[Titanz]

Anything that makes life easier for 3rd party developers, should always be considered.

[arnyftw]

Yes this is good news, devs can just make the game on one console or PC and then port it over to everything easily. This would also mean that if the nextbox and ps4 have similar CPU and GPU, games will be exactly the same and have the same bugs etc. Actually if the specs are very similar both the consoles will have exactly the same version of games.

[bubwright]

didnt they say this about PS3 before that come out?

[Megaman_nerd]

Sony said the PS3 would have PC functionalities (because of the Linux OS) but what Digital Foundry is saying is that the PS4 set-up from a hardware perspective will be a exactly as a PC. Essentially a proprietary PC.

Remember that the PS3 has Cell that runs on a PPE with 8 Spe's. Not very PC like.

[THC CELL]

maybe this will go ahead with ps4 http://www.gtplanet.net/for...

[Knight_Cid]

who cares.

The pc will never get the exclusives dedicated systems have

[Baka-akaB]

And that is a reason enough to shut up the fanatics .

Of course the most ludicrous of them will flaunt emulation that always takes years to come , or that , as a coincidence they dont care about the game missed .

Wich could be true , but hardly relevant to the fact that some games are only on consoles

[KeiserSosay4788]

Wrong. PC has more exclusives than both consoles combined. The PC platform also has a wider variety of genres.

[Baka-akaB]

Missed the point , consoles have exclusives . As long as every game arent on one single platform , and as long as people care about them , console survive .

[DeletedAcc]

That sounds great! Hope its true!! CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT GEN!!!

[rexbolt]

dident sony already say the ps3 wont be much more powerful then the ps3?

[waltyftm]

No.

[arnyftw]

Yes the ps3 isnt much more powerful that the ps3 lol. Im not sure they said that, those were just rumors about the next Xbox, maybe there were also some rumors like that for ps4 idk.

[mike1up]

lol

[Knight_Cid]

if we look at total games released ( console, handheld, mobile, pc , ect)

I would say only 5 ( probably less) percent are exclusive to the pc

[givemeshelter]

http://www.gamespot.com/for...

These are just SOME of the PC exclusive games in JUST 2011.
Obviously YOU are a CONSOLE ONLY GAMER and have no idea what you are talking about.

[Knight_Cid]

So ?

When you include all the wii,360, ps3, ds,ios, psp games that are not on pc each year thats well over 90 titles.........

plus alot of games in your link arent exclusive liek The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings, diablo didnt come out in 2011, ect

so that link is way off

[annus]

@Knight_cid

Gotta love console gamers. At first it's PC has no exclusives, then when they are proven wrong they compare every single console+handheld to make up for it (and IOS? lets compare every flash/html game then....).

[givemeshelter]

@Knight_CD

You do know that list was just 2011?
If I pull up lists for PC exclusives games since 2005 until now, it will outnumber all those games you just mentioned 3-1 during the same time period.
Every year the PC gets exclusive games 2-1 over consoles in numbers.
They are just not ADVERTISED as much as console exclusives.
The PC can have as many as 150 exclusive titles alone in one given year. The PS3 + Xbox360 together might have 50 if lucky including Arcade titles.
And if you include IOS games...then you might as well include Flash games on the PC as well...

There are more small indie games made for the PC than the Xbox360+PS3+Wii combined in any given calender year.

[KeiserSosay4788]

UGH! 5 percent?!?! Where in the hell did you come up with that number? That statement is an insult to console gamers. I agree with givemeshelter. You honestly have NO IDEA what you are talking about.

[Virtual_Reality]

5%?

You don't know nothing about PC Gaming, you should avoid this type of field because it makes you more ignorant.

[supremacy]

Well If this is true, then its a good move considering it wouldnt take them years to turn a profit on their new platform. Besides, all they really need to do is keep the same format but an upgrade instead. Bigger discs, faster drives ect.

I am sure Sony is working on BC, if not things ill be like they are with the vita. Games are going digital, I am sure that by a year into the ps4s lifecycle a good portion of ps3 games will be available from the ps store.

Heck I downloaded gta4 (for $20,if that isnt cheap then I dont know what is)a couple nights ago. So it doesnt matter to me if I can or cant play my physical copies(besides there are growing list of greatest hits titles which means affortable), so as long as I get digital copies of my uncharteds, infamous ect, ill be fine. And yes I want more HD collection with trophies, playing those games in their natural state isnt ideal on HD screens, plus trophies adds some form of replay value to those games.

By next gen the whole entire PlayStation business will be profitable from every angle thanks to kaz and his vision for going simple with its designs.

Vita and its O.S marks the beginning of change for PlayStation, cross chat? Sure, cross play? Fine, multitasking? Bring it, easier development cycles? Why not, a more socially entergrated platform, While still maintaining a technical edge over certain rivals? Say no more...

[portal_2]

I hate Leadbetter, but I love articles like this. I'm sure there won't be an announcement at e3 or TGS but I damn hope there will be :)

[swishersweets20031]

I could care less if it has BC or not. Maybe for some but not for me. I still got ps2 and play on that, so i wouldnt have a problem turning on ps3 and doing the same. For some they ditch the old get the new and have at it ya know.
Probably the thing to do is launch the system, have one that cost so so that doesnt, have a limited one that does and have it cost a little bit more.

[svoulis]

I think what Sony should do this time around is offer different variations of the next Playstation. They should have a PS4 with a cell CPU in it, as well as the new tech so that you can play your old games as well. This will give anyone complaining about BC the choice to buy a console with it for some extra money.

Personally, I could care less. I am sure Sony will still be supporting the PS3 for some time after the launch of the PS4, just as they did with the PS2. It doesn't take much effort to turn on your PS3 instead of your PS4..

[frostypants]

You *could* care less? So, you do care?

[mamotte]

Processor, RAM, GPU, Hard drive, fans... almost every console I know from the last two gens are essentially a pc in terms of tech.

[rattletop]

good. that means devs will make proper pc ports, IF they decide to make pc ports.

[josephayal]

Looks like the PS4 outperforms a $10,000 gaming pc

[Hassassin]

you sure u don't wanna get you eyes checked?

[coolasj]

I like how the article says more information should be revealed this E3 when Sony has already said they won't introduce anything this year.

[g4n]

Ummmm, the PS3 is a (very old) PC, lolBox is an even older PC.

[wicko]

That's not even close to what they're talking about. The cell processor isn't anything like a typical PC processor.

[DFresh]

LOL.
PC is (3) or more generations ahead of consoles.
PS4 will be amazing and once again be the more powerful console next generation no doubt about that but to compete against PC your out of your f***ing mind if you think that's true.

[cervantes99]

The PC may be "generations ahead", but I can't play Uncharted, God of War, Halo 3, 4, Reach or Heavy Rain on any PC and that is what matters to me period!

Sure the PC may have some exclusives, but consoles have the ones I actually care about.

[DFresh]

I never said the consoles weren't good or didn't have great games.

This article was referring to PS4 having the power of a PC which is completely false.

Anyone with a brain in computer and hardware specs would know that this article is completely wrong.

By the time the consoles hit the market their already outdated in hardware specs by 5-6 years on even the lowest end of PC computers (Processing/Hardware).

Hell I have both a PC/PS3.
(Don't need an Xbox when 99% of their exclusives are also on PC with better performance, visuals, feature customization and mods.)

I'm telling you dude once you have the taste of PC it's hard to go back to consoles.

PC = Filet Mignon! (Best steak that you can get.)

Consoles = Flank Steak.

Best Option:
PC + Playstation = Best Combo!
(Any other platform you can get as emulators on PC.)

[solar]

you have games you want/can play and PC gamers have the games they want/can play. DFresh said nothing about games in his post. learn to read.

[OmniSlashPT]

Best Graphics 2008: Metal Gear Solid 4
Best Graphics 2009: Uncharted 2
Best Graphics 2010: God of War III
Best Graphics 2011: Uncharted 3

Sorry, what were you saying? PC Gamers dream in having games such as Uncharted, GoW, Heavy Rain and Killzone in the PC's. Sure games like Crysis 2 and BF3 aren't the same in the consoles like they are in the PC, but they're not 3 generations ahead, they're not even one ahead.

Besides, people buy consoles and gear up their PC to play games. Having dull games like BF3 and Crysis 2 just to show up graphics it's not having good games.

[thawind]

Sweet!!!

[spacedelete]

"@sikbeta, hey genius, how about playing that copy of GT5 on the machine it was made for? You know, that PS3 thing you have sitting by your TV. If playing GT5 is THAT important to you, don't buy a PS4. It's as simple as that."

and how about you shut your pie hole. if he wants backwards compatibility then let him who are you to tell people what they should do. trollbag.

unlike you people don't like having 20 consoles laying around and why have 2 consoles when 1 can do both ?

[gypsygib]

A PC dedicated entirely to gaming would require less hardware power to produce similar results because devs can optimize it.

I hope they allow you to upgrade the RAM like in a mac, which is a very closed hardware system too.

[Kennytaur]

More like the Nintendo 64!

[MySwordIsHeavenly]

What do you mean "like in a Mac"?

PC's do that, too. Why did you say "like in a Mac"?

[ThatArtGuy]

He's meaning because Macs are closed architecture like consoles.

[Kennytaur]

Ehm... all consoles are essentially personal computers....

[petereater]

some games are more or would only be fun on console like god of war i would never play on pc

on the other hand pc can get wicked high resolutions and maxed out shadows, textures, etc that you will never see in any console new or old

[Jason143]

metro is a good example of why console sucks compared to pc. Direct x 11 with full settings destroy 360s port

[madjedi]

Wow 7 yr old hardware is toasted by newer more powerful hardware, right when pc guys want talk about something besides graphics wake me up.

Typical pc idiot. The graphics are better on pc, but other than bf3 is the gameplay any better. If so by all means explain how.

[Jason143]

what kenny said

[RyuDrinksTheDew]

Richard usually pushes aside lame rumors, so this could be legit.

we shall see.

[Bonerboy]

Wow! Sony finally sees reason and stops trying to "reinvent the wheel" by producing a complicated architecture.

[tigertron]

How about we stop jumping to conclusions before Sony has even announced the damn thing?

We don't know anything at this point. Its all speculation. Lets just wait until E3 when Sony will probably announce it.

[DOOMZ]

As it should have been all along...

[Brixxer600]

I am a huge supporter of console gaming and prefer to a PC but i will seriously consider switching to PC gaming at the birth of the "Next Gen" consoles . Consoles can only be expanded so much whereas a PC can be upgraded again and again , also the cost of PC games are less than their console counterparts.

[capcock]

If the next xbox and the ps4 are "wannabe pcs" like the ps3/360 just more powerful they are going to fail hard. They need something 100% new that we haven't seen before, no motion controls garbage!

[madjedi]

What the hell else would they be, more powerful versions of this gen with some features expanded and improved.

That is the only thing they can do, is use newer and more powerful/efficient hardware with each successive generation.

Sorry i don't thinking playing a console game using brain waves, is going to happen anytime soon.

It's not going to transform suddenly and be more than meets the eye, what are you expecting.

[Neko_Mega]

I like how theirs alot of people saying things with no idea what they are talking about, PC has more PC only titles. Just look at all the MMO's an all it has and PC doesn't play alll of the old PC games. Some PC games need a file that the new Windows don't support (I have alot of PC games like that).

[bunfighterii]

Upcoming E3 reveal? Tech demo maybe?

[StoneAgeWarfare]

I was gonna buy a PS4 any way :D

[Dualshockers_Carlos]

The PC gamers out in force! Take cover!

[raytraceme]

AMD Bulldozer is a hot b* and definitely should not be in the ps4. Sony owns the cell plant so why not reuse the cell?

Most next gen engines now are optimized for it like fb2 ue4 and cryengine 3 so why not maintain compatibility?

[hiredhelp]

Ok this very intresting "essentially a pc"
I think if there is any fact to the cpu side theres more things to be uncoverd witch i think i know but not going to say incase my hopes get shot.

But x86 processor AMD im sure but yet why 32bit.... XP 32bit could only read 4gb memory max is this a indication of a certain OS' by sony maybe possible memory upgrades been done b4 amiga n64...
Already have self upgradable HDD's.

So im going to asume AMD (NOT ATI) are going to handle cpu and graphics with tablets phones now going quad core thats definatly on the table.. Pc in terms of tech yes as powerfull as a medium to high end PC... NO But that said if any of this is to be true im very excited to see what this ps4 can do with blu-ray too i think its a great idea.

[Malice-Flare]

AMD is ATi (just to be technical)... :)

[hiredhelp]

ATi is no more im affraid all AMD now.
But yes they once were.

[ElementX]

Wasn't the PS3 labeled a computer entertainment device on the Playstation site?

[BitbyDeath]

PS3 is "essentially a PC" in terms of tech as well.

[caboose32]

I think all systems are....

[BitbyDeath]

Yea, that was my point ^_^

[caboose32]

One minute they hate us pc gamers, the next they want to be just like us.

Make up your minds.

[DJDeez]

PC/PS4 will still be the best combo out there...

[nepdyse]

Haven't consoles always been dumbed/stripped down PC's? Dislike all you want doesn't change the fact that its the F^@%#!G truth.

[kingPoS]

Remember back in 2010 when sony came up with 'that' patent.
Draw your own conclusions people!

[etownthree]

But but but...
The power of the CELL!!!!!

Lmao.... I still remember those days.

:-)

[D3vilzRightHand]

hahah i actually agree for the first time to some one that try to flame : )

This is the first time in my history i agree to something like this... but you had it coming ppl

You cant deny that EVERY ONE said back in the days:

THE POWER OF THE CELL IS TEH FUTURE !

[GarandShooter]

If EVERY ONE said it that would include you, right? Now I'm LMFAO at you having to eat your words!

Hey, tell me, what spices and condiments make crow taste better?

[BitbyDeath]

And who would have thought that Gohan was stronger all this time...

[SnakeCQC]

wonders if it has other os?

[D3vilzRightHand]

I only need to by one of the new ATI Gforce 650ti OC cards coming out later this year and then i have a ps4

Lets see...
I now have a 4.0 ghz quad core with Watercooler
and 12gb ram

I have a 560ti OC - Saving money for the beast 650ti OC
or even the monster 690ti OC coming out in november/December if i remember correctly now.

1080p 27 inch led monitor
G15 keyboard
G15 Mouse
1x Ps3 controller plugged into my pc
1x Xbox 360 controller plugged into my pc
2TB HD
1x 1tb SSD HD

So yea, i have a ps4 right now - or as soon as I get my hands on the new 600ti cards.

But as ppl have said above.
The best is still PS4 or Xbox 720 and a PC. Best of both worlds

But i think i stay with my PC.

AND OH! For the ppl that is wondering what my comp cost me to BUILD! It cost the same amount of cash that the ps3 did on release date (more or less) Maybe 50$ more.

An advice to the ppl thinking of a new computer:
DONT BY A FULL COMPUTER - BUILD YOUR OWN - YOU SAVE BIG MONEY!

[nepdyse]

Lolwut "ATI GEFORCE"????

[Skynetone]

pc gamers trolling next gen consoles,

you have a midrange pc at best running on a 27 inch monitor, lol

[D3vilzRightHand]

@GarandShooter

Actually if you try to hate that was a really lame excuse to it or even try at it.

I actually DIDN`T say it - How about that?

I don`t say anything about any technolegy is "teh future" because the "FUTURE" in technoligy will always be behind closed doors.

Technoligy can be the top of the line for its time - but its NEVER and will NEVER BE - the future. Because if it WERE the future - THen why would a ps4 even be released ?

[GarandShooter]

No hate, it was a stupid generalization on your part, getting your giggles at others' expense. I simply took what you wrote literally, applied you're reasoning to it, and let you take a second look at it. Understand?

Saying the cell is the future wouldn't necessarily mean the exact one in the PS3, but perhaps parallel processing, SPEs, etc.

If 500 thousand years ago someone said the wheel they chipped out of stone was the future of land transportation, they would have been right for a very long time, without foreseeing spokes, ball and tapered roller bearings, canvas tires, rubber tires, run flats, etc.

It could be someones honest opinion of the course they thought computing would take, or could just be a fanboy making an ass out of themselves. No need for you to join the latter.

[cliffyboy21]

im not jumping to conclusions about the b/c yet. im sure sony thought about that and how ppl will be mad if it doesnt, besides that im worried about a price increase to games, what features it will have and soo on. im betting the ps4 will more likely to be b/c rather than the new xbox seeing how their not going to be playing games on dvd no more.

[Malice-Flare]

well, the problem with the CELL was developers were unfriendly with it. i would think this could have been easily solved by just adding more Out-of-Order PPEs so that 3rd Party devs can program any way they want...

but, if this rumor is true, that wasn't cost-effective. i only hope they don't skimp out on the memory and GPU. i would like at least for it to run 1080p smoothly at 60fps and be able to multi-task (play user soundtracks, voice-chat, high-end browsing)...

besides, PC-like or not, it will have Sony games...

[Rageanitus]

If it was not like a PC then what is it ;)

[hiredhelp]

A console with benifits...

[Holeran]

I honestly was looking forward to what a 64 spu cell processor with 4 gigs of ram could do. Too bad.

[Khan613]

Let's look at past experience with the PS2 and PS3:

1. Sony usually release a product with POTENTIAL
2. They also support optional keyboard, mouse, network connectivity and hard drives. (think back to the PS2)
3. You could also run an alternative linux based OS.

They tried to call it a PC, and market it as one.

...then with each revision, or firmware update, they strip down functionality, remove features, and remove support for 3rd party products - and adjust the license agreement so we as consumers lose the right to demand the return of those features -

...and you end up with little more than an ordinary games console.

All this after Sony have your $$$

Funny how they keep trying to market it as a PC.

[Zephol]

is a unlimited accesiry. cant wait to see

[ichimaru]

I consider current consoles to be pc's with a more focused functions in gaming. especially when you consider that most have youtube, browsers, email and such

[Adolph Fitler]

Actually we do know Tigertron, as Sony stated a year or more ago that they would be working closely with developers on PS4 & all future consoles.
They stated they want to make PS4 developer friendly, unlike PS3.

I personally don't care if PS4 is b/c like many are screaming for (but would then whine when the price was jacked up du to the inclusion of some form of Cell), I am not saying I wouldn't love it if PS4 was fully b/c with all 3 past machines, it would be awesome & I personally would pay the extra for it, but lets be real, b/c is now a thing of the past thanks to a) whiners & whingers that moaned & complained about price of hardware in past instances...cough PS3...cough....fanboy bad press online epidemic exclusively targeting PS3 about anything & everything they could target, & price was 1st & foremost issue that was a joke of a tirade Sony suffered after there previous 2 gens of total, undisputed domination.

So with b/c a obvious ommission from my future console, now I'm hearing Sony are dropping one of 2 of there most expensive PS endeavors in the Cell architecture that was touted as the 2nd coming of christ, & the fact you could keep adding 1 onto the other to enhance it's power to super, super, duper, computer capabilities.
So O.K., now being of low, but reasonably higher up on the low side of the intelligence level, I have minimal problem with the fact that Sony are dropping the Cell, probably for the sole reason of developer friendlyness.....I'm cool with Sony favoring chipsets that will help developers make awesome games, quicker, cheaper & all round better.....if thats how it will work, & we don't end up with developers just doing quick, shoddy, pc ports, as well as quick, rushed, cheap, half baked games in general. Will our new, non-unique, pc-esque, 360-like, consoles be shovelware bins. This gens high dev. costs have ensured more developers put the effort in & make great games, or pretty damn good at least.......the ammount of crappy games has been at the all time lowest I have experienced in my 37yrs. The only console on the market that has copped more crap or shovelware than good games is the Wii.....the easiest, cheapest console of the 3 to develop for. I mean, Nintendo only won back so much 3rd party developer support, due to developers knowing they could throw the lowest of the low games onto this gloriafied Gamecube. Wanna make a Wii game, yep, lets just port RE4 & implement nunchuk support, how about we chuck all past PS2 NFS games onto Wii with nunchuk support, & the list goes on.

I hope Sony do keep Blu Ray, as going wholly d/loable will limit there market considerably.....So they NEED hardcopy software for at least the next gen. They should just offer the fastest reading blu-ray drive possible, that way they can do the whole PSVita thing, by offering both hardcopy games & digitally distributed that is offered with cost differences in place that replicate the huge savings developers & Sony inhouse make by not having to manufacture & distribute disks, covers & instructions & such.
At present, why would I buy a digital game for $5Au less than a physical copy.

Give us the blu-ray drive & the biggest, baddest, specs that are possible both for Sony & consumers financially. People will always complain, especially when in concerns Sony, as it just became pop-culture to diss & hate on Sony starting from that E3 Killzone 2, Riiiidge Racer, Giant enemy crab crap, way back when.

[ironmonkey]

pc is better i understand that but 99.9 of those people still dont even know how to download/install a video driver. thats where consoles come into play. you can have the best shit on a pc but whats even worth playing on it? i got mw3 on pc and bf3, 80k online versus 400k daily on consoles. i think im gonna go for consoles. graphics on pc will make me say ooo aww but consoles will have the gameplay and fun factor. no carpo for me thanks.

[fullmetal297]

Every console is a PC. They have a CPU, RAM, GPU, and a Hard Drive. There is no difference in terms of hardware.

[nik666uk]

It will have a built in fanny magnet

[susanto1228]

Great that means that the PS4 will be oudated in 18 months :)

[Metfanant]

Interesting to me that they would dump the Cell moving into the next generation for a few reasons

1. The Cell is the one area of strength that the PS3 really does have over its competition

2. With a whole generation of development behind them, developers have gotten passed the learning curve of using the SPE's in parallel with the GPU...

3. The loss leading development cost is gone at this point...Moving forward you're just adding cores and SPE's...the initial development cost is eaten this generation...makes it cheaper next

I guess the real reason for making a switch would be working SO closely with AMD/ATI allows for the CPU and GPU that are paired incredibly close to each other and should work exceptionally well...

[legend911]

Apparently true, going with AMD is a good choice, price and performance. Hopefully they do the same with the CPU.

[Canary]

Everyone arguing that backwards compatibility is absolute needs to swallow some razors because there's simply no cure for that kind of stupidity.

[theeg]

the closer they make both consoles to pc-type architecture the better.

all video games, even ps3 exclusives and xbox exclusives and wii exclusives and ios exclusives and vita exclusives are made on PC, so it stands to reason that the best possible traslation of a port from pc to console (which every game you have ever played is) will be the better for trasitioning to an architecture like the platform it was made on, the PC!

[pandehz]

Wow a lot of hurt Sony and PC fanboys uptop :D :D

Wheres the Xbox gang?

[Rageanitus]

at a hardware perspective the console is essentially a PC with lower specs..... from a gaming perspective I find that you cannot find that many complex games in a console vs a PC...

Simply put it a PC can do much more in terms of gaming mechnics... that is why you see auto aim in FPS's alot of developers that have to dumb down or consolize a game mechanic just so that the casual market can play

[Tacklebait]

Why would I need backwards compatibility when my games are perfectly compatible with my ps3. Ug if bc takes away from other features and innovation... Drop it. I could care less about it. Most my unplayed older games get traded in anyways.

[tubers]

After reading the article I just hope that means PC ports become way better.

[jdklaffke]

When....when will we get over the "novelty" of new hardware? It is made with the intent and purpose of shinier, not better, games.

[mechlord]

Am gna cry if ps4 dont come with ps3 bc.

And to the people saying just go and buy a $99 ps3, the point is not to have a ps, a ps2, a ps3 and a ps4 all on the same room......thats just nerdy.

[danthebios]

Still can it play ridge racer..riiiidgggge raaacer

[Somebody]

CD Projekt made The Witcher 1 and 2 on the PC first since that's there where they started with. Something familiar and safe. Now they are moving on to the X Box 360 since it's quite similar to the PC. A more efficient and cautious way of getting to know new technology (PC to Console migration). Instead of jumping to a totally foreign tech like the CELL cpu on the PS3, only to constantly bitch how small the RAM is, like what some of the developers did a couple of years back. Maybe later they'll move on to make a PS3 version. They never said they WON'T make a PS3 version, did they?

So, I guess that would be the logic behind this rumour of the PS4 going ATI- making it easier for new PC developers to make PS3 versions of their games. Can't let Micorsoft hog all the budding developers, can they? Microsoft already caught CD Projekt in its net. Besides, ATI and Intel have been in an arms race that led to some of the most power efficient and cool (temperature wise) desktop cpus in the world so it would be easier to get one of those bad boys in the PS3 instead spending billions in trying to shrink and cool down the CELL.

Then again, it's still a rumour.

On another note, I still don't get it. Why would the console gamers kept saying playing on the PC is not as exciting as playing the console version? They kept saying about better gameplay on the console which I assume to be due to the controllers and control scheme. If that's the case, then wouldn't that also make PC versions just as exciting as the console versions since 99% of PC versions have X Box 360 controller support and the games automatically change the gameplay to suit the controllers?

So they hate the PC version since it feels different compared to the console version. Connect the controller and now the PC version plays exactly like the console version. BUT, they still hate it. So what is it really? The couch feels different than the office chair?

I'm not a graphic whore with an ultra specced PC. In fact my PC is a pretty decent combo of mid priced and low priced components. Even so, it can still play BF3 on Ultra as long as I lay off on some of the Anti Aliasing or higher shadow resolution. At the same time, I'm quite happy playing Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning. Not a SLI-GPU/ten core CPU hogging game but it's still fun to play.

This year I'm looking forward for Arma 3 and Torchlight 2. One is a PC eating behemoth and the other is hardware loving angel. So, yeah I'm one of those average PC gamers who appreciate both graphic(realistic DX11 effecs, amazing DX9, artistic, cartoony, gritty...any type of graphic) and gameplay.

What? Do you expect me to play Street Fighter X Tekken with a keyboard?

[Bladesfist]

Wow another PC vs Consoles argument. Pick whatever suits your needs. I am a programmer and hobyist game developer so I game and create on PC.

[Tzuno]

PC is ahead every day so it's normal to consoles to follow.

[chewmystink]

Until PC gaming becomes me grabbing a controller and relaxing on a sofa and with push of one button to turn on / launch a game and start playing then PC gaming can GTFO.

Yes I do have a gaming rig so don't even go there.

[PS3pwnz]

I LIKE CONSOLES BECAUSE THEY WORK!!!
Computers have always disappointed me when they get a virus or slow down as the registry clogs.
My PS3= 5 years old, still working like a charm. That's what I want from the PS4. Something that is reliable and that I do NOT need to upgrade every 6 months.

[Akin0]

you have no idea what you're talking about

[PS3pwnz]

I was actually referring to someone else's comment about how computers are superior to consoles. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[OmegaSaiyanX]

De ja vu? Lol

[EffectO]

Article says PS4=PC not because it has cpu,gpu but because it has x86 architecture inside,just like the first Xbox :)

That certainly opens some interesting possibilities,PS4 games released on PC?--playstation suite on PC perhaps

Gaming market has changed drastically in the last 5 years,better to keep up with times

[solidworm]

Day 1 then

[SkullBlade169]

Let's hope they don't use a Bulldozer or they may just end up getting Bulldozed by the Wii U...

[Mister_G]

Basically a PC? That's not a bad thing.

Although Sony like to have something "special" in their consoles, the Reality Synthersizer, Cell and Blu-ray. So if it uses stock parts what would make it special?

[Frankfurt]

So it's like the XBox 360, then?

[Rayko]

Next gen I will buy a WII U only. It comes out the earliest, it will have about the same specs as the new Xbox (20% less powerful) and it will have third-party support and best exklusives. Also I bet it will have the most unique and fun gameplay.

[Akin0]

The Cell is already emulated on x86 architecture. RSX on the other hand may be a problem, unless Sony owns the architecture and not nVidia. No surprise Sony is ditching IBM as they screwed Sony over by reusing the Cell core for Xenon enabling Xbox 360 to launch a year earlier.

Starting with an integrated cpu / gpu off the bat should save huge $$$, and don't be surprised if it is backward compatible.

[C0MPUT3R]

PC architecture guarantees flawless 3rd party development.
.
NO more bitching from devs about its too complicated etc.
.
Vita is using quad core tech which turned out great.
.
Now SONY just put 4GB of RAM in that bitch, and murder the competition.

[Picnic]

In other words, it's going to be more like the Xbox brand. So there won't be quite as much difference between the graphical quality of the early and the later games. Which might make for better launch games but is not necessarily as interesting as having custom made architecture when you think about it. There IS something more exotic sounding about the 'Cell' as opposed to 'medium standard PC'.

[Whitefox789]

I'll say one thing and one thing only next gen consoles NEED more RAM!

[zero_cool]

I'm still confident sony is working with ibm,rambus & nvidia.

http://www.youtube.com/user...

http://www.youtube.com/user...

http://www.youtube.com/user...

http://www.ibm.com/us/en/

http://www.nvidia.com/page/...

http://www.rambus.com/us/

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[SITH]

Not quite - AMD was far ahead of Intel during the amd64 era with the Sledgehammer. The problem is that they then fell far behind, taking forever to iterate. They also don't have hyperthreading.

ATI has actually always been neck-in-neck with Nvidia, and often far ahead. NVidia has come out with basically dust-busters several times - really large cards that need enormous and very loud fans to get their performance in the shouting distance of ATI's latest release. For the past 3-5 years ATI and NVidia have been leapfrogging each other every couple 6-12 months in terms of who has the best hardware.

"Sony and Microsoft think that the game industry is like the computer industry; more powerful hardware = more powerful games."

Wrong. They are just putting out the hardware. It's up to the game vendors to take advantage of the capabilities of the hardware. Sony and MS have no control over the quality of the games being made. All they can do is set the parameters for what is possible.