1UP: Heated Debate On Home

The 1UP podcast is considered by many the best of its kind on the Internet today, and this week's episode does not disappoint. Shane, the 1UP offices' only fan of Sony, and Garnett get entangled in a fierce explosive argument regarding the console wars; more specifically, the Online infrastructure of the consoles. Live and, coming soon, PlayStation Home.

The calm before the storm starts at the 2hour, 15min and 50second mark on the podcast. Tune in.

[Blademask]

1up is trying to become sort of an MTV-esque media source. There is too much drama, and way too many douchebags involved.

[Meus Renaissance]

Shane: "You know what..FUK YOU for trying to dismiss me as a troll!".

I could sense the debate was heated but I was shocked at how tasty it got with that.

[gamesR4fun]

man these guys are total wankers just cant stand listening to their crapcast They are so biased on some stuff you got to ask if they have any morals at all.
Not only that but I swear these punks have a combined iq that wouldb reach the double digits. IMO people who would sell their mothers soul for a little swag.

To say their respected is a laugh unless your a blind fanboi or on the take

edit no offence Meus just that whole highly respected thing is soo wrong...

[Kleptic]

ha yeah...the summary at the top says "considered by many to be the best of its kind on the internet today?"...should have continued with "if you are an idiot and are unaware of that other sites have podcasts"...

hell even gamespot has a better podcast...at least GS tries to remain neutral for the most part...1up just downplays everything that isn't "their" company...which we are all well aware of who that is...

[marinelife9]

The gist of the podcast is that 1up guys are criticizing Sony for not releasing a product when it isn't completely done. They want Sony to release an incomplete product I guess because they are impatient.

One guy even mentions that Xbox live didn't have much when it was first released (like a lot of microsoft products service packs anyone?) so why can't Sony do the same thing.

Then they try to level the false accusation that you will only be able to play online games with friends through home. Even when the guy tries to explain that you will be able to do both they pretend not to hear and rant about the exclusion anyway.

The kicker is the guy that was the most critical hadn't even played the home beta and he is arguing with someone who has.

[crank]

1up is known for being anti sony. Apparently, some would rather developers HINT HINT release there **** waay too early, eventually ending up dead last because they forgot to future proof and do things right the first time.

I guess, future proofing is just so totally inane these days.

Gotta love the douchebags.

[gamesR4fun]

pod casts 2 long but the sony home bit its in the last 5 10 mins.

pretty lame even pro sony dude sounds more like the bad cop in the bad and badder cop routine well throw in a touch of retardation and you get the picture.

[Lifendz]

I can sorta see both points that led to the whole outburst. Garnet just couldn't get it in his head that Home is not neccessary to play online with friends. Sony has said from the outset that Home will not be a mandatory download. And the other host stated Sony is trying to give C w/o doing A and B which I couldn't disagree with more. The reason we don't have Home yet is because Sony is trying to get A & B-in game XMB-down packed. Once that happens, then I'm sure Home will be unveiled.

I've already started bringing music on my PS3 HDD in anticpation for Home and GTA IV and I'm excited to use my media in my apartment.

[Meus Renaissance]

I think the entire argument here is based on whether or not Home will have a feature where you can join multiplayer games without launching the actual Home virtual world application. Garnett is under the assumption that it will not, and so criticises the idea of Home without that simple feature (he refers to it as the Xbox Live model/experience).

Shane is caught up between asserting that Home will have that model, but that it will also build on the Live model by providing a social 3D environment, and at the same time trying to defend the idea of Home without having such a feature.

But good points are bought up and it will cause you to think twice about Home, whether you were all for it or against it.

[360sucks]

1up is so lame

[crank]

Very nice overview.

Edit: oops, that was to Cerulean, but, uh, yeah, they are lame.

[CeruleanSky]

"The 1UP podcast is considered by many the best of its kind on the Internet today"

LOL!

Best what? Best Xbox fanboy site? Best site doing damage control for Microsoft?

1Up is the site that:

* Handed out a 9/10 to the complete turd of a game PDZ on the 360.

* After the realtime Killzone 2 unveiling tried to tell gamers the game looked worse than crappy old Gears of War - even though the game looks virtually shot for shot identical in detail as the original 2005 trailer that everyone claimed wouldn't be possible until the PS4

* Did their best to salvage the last gen looking sub-HD/640p Halo 3 by trying to claim it had some sort of 'subtle beauty' that apparently only they were skilled enough to appreciate

* Out of the blue invented an inane and bogus 'AI award' that they, guess!, gave to Halo 3 and, guess!, trashed Killzone 2. Even though Killzone 2 was nothing more than a pre-alpha graphics demo. Shortly after that pathetic bit of 1Up Xbox fanboyism someone made a video showing the horrendously bad Halo 3 AI...

* Trashed Killzone Liberation on the PSP - which is universally regarded as one of the best PSP action games. Gotta protect that POS Halo franchise at all costs...

* Functions as a stepping stone for Xbox fanboys to get hired away to Microsoft - 3 to 4 1Up people have been hired away to Microsoft in just the last year or so. 0 people either Nintendo or Sony...

* Out of the blue decided that for the amazing PS3 PSN game Warhawk they would suddenly take into account price for the game in review scores and 'mark down' the PS3 game which they, suprise!, never have before and never have since for 360 games...

Yeah, let's listen to what these pathetic little clowns have to say about Sony's incredible online world that is arriving in the next few months...

[Polluted]

I hate to sound like a fanboy, but that was really well said Cerulean. Bubbles.

[ISay]

i agree with every thing except that gears of war is crapy thats just out of line

[FPS nut]

And the army of multi account fanboy's are idiots. You are by far what is wrong with this site. How many times did fanboys have to log on to agree with that?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Total truth, bubbles for you.

[Bolts]

So true!

[Wii60_FTW]

Shut your f*cking mouth, fanboy. Gears of War is infinitely better than Krapzone will ever be. And that real-time Krapzone 2 demo looked like blurry garbage compared to Gears. Get raped.

[WilliamRLBaker]

we can say the same for nearly every Playstation affiliated source out there, so whats the big deal sky? oh i know its because your a sonyfanboy and in sonyfanboy land only other fanboys can do wrong, and only one system is the best regardless of its crap preformance in every area so far.

and KZ2 looks shot for shot identical to the Fake CGI trailer shown e3 2005? lol what a liar thats a lie and you know it, KZ2 looks nothing like the tailer and its worse looking then Gears and it will play like crap just like KZ1 did.

I like all the sony protection group lies your pulling out your ass there buddy.

[sicknnyc]

Bubbles for you and Points for the comment Destroying 1up. XD

[KillJoi99]

Check out this video. I think You'll really like it. You too PS3 fanboys.

[rofldings]

Check out this video. I think You'll really like it. You too 360 fanboys.

also video #2: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Polluted]

@billbaker: You're right. The same could be said for any Playstation affiliated source. That's kind of irrelevant to the argument Cerulean was trying to make, however, as 1up isn't supposed to be "affiliated" with any console. They're supposed to be objective.

[KillJoi99]

See, you can fix a broken XBOX, you know with that 3 year warrenty we're set. Your problem is you don't have a decent line up.

[rofldings]

"See, you can fix a broken XBOX, you know with that 3 year warrenty we're set."

Yeah, you're all set. Except after 3 years, right? Oh right, your console has a life spam of 3 years. Have fun buying another POS that'll break down due to Microsoft's brilliant engineering team.

Btw, "PS3 has no games" argument is no longer valid.

[Cop_Boy]

that site is full of damn sad xbots

[Maddens Raiders]

Yours.

1UP = FAIL

[AnalFace]

Awwww^

[CeruleanSky]

Trying to compare Home to anything Microsoft has for the 360 is pointless - Microsoft simply doesn't have anything competitive with Home.

Home has been worked on since the early PS2 days and is a gigantic project.

Home consists of:

* A MMORPG engine at its core

* A state of the art set of technologies for rendering and customizing personal avatars - face, clothes, etc

* A video streaming infrastructure for content from both Sony servers and PS3 owners personal systems

* A set of tools to allow developers and third parties to easily take existing game art and other content and incorporate it into their own Home spaces

* A physics engine for manipulating objects inside of Home

* An expanding set of games within the Home world from simple little arcade games, to medium sized games like bowling and pool, all the way up to eventually full scale mini-MMORPGs right inside of Home. Sony has setup Home so that game developers can port existing or create new games that take place right inside of Home.

* A set of technologies for purchasing things right inside of Home.

* A video rental service where you can watch movies and interact with friends right inside of Home

* A way to meet up with other gamers inside of Home and jump into and back out of online games seamlessly

* Special spaces for online clans to have for everyone to meet up at for before and after gaming matches - all decked out in whatever style the clan wants

* And of course personal PS3 owner's spaces where they can stream images and video to other people they invite into their apartments

The best way to think of Home is a 3D world wide web for gaming where the '3d spaces' inside of Home correspond to individual web pages or web sites. You will have your home page that corresponds to your apartment. And Sony is providing developers the tools to easily create their own spaces. So eventually you will have gaming companies that have their own spaces that are decked out in their own company's look and game's themes.

Sony is also talking with sites like gametrailers.com to have their site have a Home space where their images and videos are streamed right on the walls just as one example. Pretty much anything that is a web page can be turned into Home space.

When Microsoft finally manages to bring online gaming up to Sony's high level of quality by adding dedicated servers to all major games for lagfree online play we can start to talk about what it will take for Microsoft to try to compete with Home eventually.

[demolitionX]

i c no pervert other than u! The genuine PERVERT

[LJWooly]

Genuine, why?

Why worship a greedy, manipulative, international corporation like Microsoft? Microsoft and ALL other corporations (yes, that's right, ALL, before you call me a Sony fanboy) are out for nothing but your money, they couldn't care less about their customers, they just care about how much money they're getting from each one.

And by being what's called a 'fanboy' you are marking yourself as easy prey for the corporations. You're the kind of person they aim for, blindly loyal to their company, and gullible.

Don't fall for it. Don't let Microsoft's, Sony's, or Nintendo's viral marketing get to you. Turn it around now, before you become another blind lemming to Microsoft.

Take TheMart, for example, do you really want to be like him? Ignored by over 200 people? That's what you become when you lose the ability to think for yourself and fall victim to viral marketing. Your posts are getting less and less intellegent, so I can only assume that's what's happening.

[WilliamRLBaker]

more crap pulled out right sky?
Lets see
360 has sold 14m+ units and xbox live now has what 8-9 million unique subscribers.
Ps3 has sold 7m+ and they have 3 million unique subscribers (on a free service) lol

Looks to me like Xbox live is kicking the crap and offering over and above what sony can offer:)

and lag free?

http://forums.epicgames.com...

http://www.gamesinfobase.co...

And then there was the launch of warhawk where every one was complaining about lag on and off dedicated servers.....I Cannot find any links because they've burried under all the Warhawk references online but every one remembers it;)

[DJ]

"And then there was the launch of warhawk where every one was complaining about lag on and off dedicated servers."

Actually, the complaint during the first two weeks of Warhawk's launch wasn't lag, it was the fact that login and matchmaking was so inconsistent and long. Luckily all of that was fixed relatively quickly, though Firmware 2.00 ended up solving PSN problems in general.

And the actual number of PSN users is closer to 4 million; they hit 3 million back at TGS.

[ScentlessApprentice7]

"360 has sold 14m+ units..."
"Ps3 has sold 7m+..."

Here you are like every other Bill Gates Butt Buddy touting the fact that xbox has a bigger consumer base than the PS3.

Gee you little troll, did you ever take into consideration the fact that the Xbox 360 was on the market a full year BEFORE the Playstation 3? and did you take into consideration the fact that the PS3 is doing just as well as the 360 in terms of first-year sales, despite all the accusations that ps3 has "no games and is the worst console in history"

If PS3 and xbox 360 were released simultaneously ps3 would own that freaking paper weight both in terms of software and hardware sales. But with idiot fanboys like you, I guess ignorance really is bliss.

[HardcoreGamer]

i play video games all the time, it makes me happy, video games is where i had to go after i broke up with a long relationship, after playin my xbox360 for soo long im dyin for a ps3, but i gotta wait till xmas,

but everything 1up does gives me a headache, i dont go there anymore. but i hear bad press about them against sony all the time,,

for example you can use your own eyes to see 2 oranges, but they try and say, nope,, you can only see one orange, when clearly wiht your eyes there are 2

thats how stupid 1up have become, and shane gets all my respect, he loves all consoles,

[Genuine]

Shane is the biggest sony fanboy in mainstream gaming media. I don't know what podcast you've been listening to.

[360sucks]

once you open that ps3
(reply)Genuine change your name 2 dumbass
thats what you are
now add $50 more for some xboxlag
and some more cash for Wi-Fi
and buy a computer so he can get on Web
ok
what a Genuine you are

[Genuine]

lol that's funny, because I sold my ps3 3 weeks ago, and bought my son a 360 for Christmas with the money.

@Hybrid Theory

The difference between me and you is that I'm telling the truth, and your lying. I have no reason whatsoever to lie about the subject. I'm a grown man, I don't have lie to piss a bunch of misguided kids and foreigners off, it seems I'm doing a pretty good job at that by telling the truth. It's no secret that the ps3 is barely half the game machine the 360 is. I know because up until 3 weeks ago I owned both.

[zapass]

sorry for your kid. when you're a kid, you get whatever your parents think is cool and you put up with the embarrassment for a while.

[Bubble Buddy]

sure sure and i just bought 3 360's and a ps3, then gave sold it. then bought a wii then sold it. it's not hard to lie on the internet is it

[tk]

Up what? 1 who?
Just another bunch of reviewers who are so biased that it is absurd. I don't visit their site... so... whatever. And regarding online.. well, I prefer single player games at the moment. Down here the internet is so slow and unreliable it is not really worth playing online.

[Meus Renaissance]

I agree their website reviews are questionable and most of them are bias to the 360, however I always enjoy listening to their podcasts. They're pretty good. Close to little bias.

This week was a great one.

[DJ]

And yes, all the features of Home will be available in the PS3's XMB; if you don't like 3D online environments, then you're still cool. Being able to launch any game's multiplayer with your friends from XMB/HOME is a VERY tall order, and I hope Sony can pull it off successfully, because just the concept alone is amazing.

Garnett seems pretty stubborn though. He keeps implying that Home is a Second Life ripoff and that the experience is actually inferior to what PC and Xbox Live offers. He's just way too used to Xbox Live, which is why he can't fathom the idea of meeting people in a 3D environment, passing by strangers who are having audio-based conversations, etc. Too bad he can't get it into his head that Home has two layers.

[Account deleted]

i don't know about you guys, but i don't listen to this kind of podcasts, it is a waste of time, i prefer playing games in the meanwhile or googling thru the internet for interesting news
even if there is some interesting ideas, it is too long, i prefer if they write a transcript which they won't because they chitchat a lot,
or a small resume of the main ideas which are biased
so no thanks i will pass

[DarkSniper]

Playstation home is considered to be a one of a kind market exclusive to the PLAYSTATION 3®. No other console can provide the creative and interactive infastructure amongst it's members.

Jealousy will be imminent amongst those who have purchased the green dumpster juice system and Dark Sniper is very mindful of that fact. If Dark Sniper purchased an XBOX 360 and paid yearly fees for an online network just to see it's superior competitor recieve new, refreshing ways to push online technology. Sniper would be jealous as well.

$niper

[AllroundGamer]

1UP is the new Gamespot :D but really i stopped visiting their site when i saw the PGR3 10/10 review...

[HardcoreGamer]

1up was soo good to listen too, but now its a annoying, why is it soooo annoying, that anything mircrosoft or anything Nintendo, they suck their own ABOUT IT, where when a sony news comes in they talk soooo much down about it, that the ps3 is not worht buying at all..

and its obvious to buy your son a cheapest xmas present, duh.. ps3 is high value, unless you dont really mind giving your son just one present..

if i had a son at any age im sure he would love the fact he has a ps3 , web browser, and a blu ray player all at the same time, that wold be an amazing xmas

[Genuine]

I sold my ps3 because compared to 360, ps3 is a sh*tty game machine. If I had wanted, I could have given him my ps3. I wanted him to fun, so I sold the ps3 and bought him a 360.

[zapass]

and the dude has a kid... poor kid... poor country...

[Mr Marbles]

He is dumb because he prefers the 360 to the PS3 for gaming?
After all it has more games, so why would that make him dumb?
Maybe you are dumb for being in love with a console that cost more and delivers less.

[jack who]

i love sony fans............yall dont like 1up anymore?

[Genuine]

Imo, only young kids and old perverts are the people that Home will stay populated with.

@vvv

Don't act like you know me kid.

[Liquid Ocelot]

I guess it'll be the perfect place for you then won't it.

[zapass]

that's xboxlive you're talking about
(it's ok, turning coat too fast can make you dizzy)

[Jdash24]

how about you go spend some time with your kid and stop trolling :)

before the only memories your kid has of you is you on the computer bashing the ps3

[LinuxGuru]

Your statements are unfounded, uncalled for, and extremely biased along with a touch of resentment, laced with a bit of I-Know-what-the-f*ck-I'm-doing -so-I-got-a-360-instead.

It seems you only have the intent to personally attack other members, and debase / degrade people who are supporters of the Sony brand.

People like you are the reason this site is in serious need of cleanup.

That's a shame you sold your PS3.

One day, you will realize your stupid, stupid, stupid mistake.

I feel sorry for your child, having to live with what you think is cool for him.

One day he'll forgive you, don't worry.

Also, there are PLENTY of AMAZING games both ONLINE and OFF, so I don't want to hear your unfounded bullsh*t claims about the PS3 "not delivering."

The PS3 delivers, and it does so very well.

Oh and also I'm quite sure your son would HATE to watch his favorite animated or live action movies in blu-ray...right?

Unfortunately for you candystop, my reasoning comes from my experiences in life, and the decisions I make based upon real research and, sometimes....luck.

Sony fans are only lashing back at 360 owners for all the SH!T we took for the first year of the PS3's existence!!

WHAT THE F*CK IS YOUR EXCUSE FOR TRASH TALKING US FOR THE FIRST YEAR?

HUH?!!!

HOW COME WEEEEEEE CAN BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE TOWN, AND THEN WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING, WE GET PLASTERED AND CALLED FANBOYS?

Back the f*ck off, candystop.

*rolls eyes*

One phrase for all the ignorant, reality-ignoring, selfish, immature, overconfident Microsoft Sony-haters out there:

"Rose-Colored Glasses"

[krik]

@Genuine

Sorry man, but PSN is way different from Xbox Live. It's pretty annoying and intolerable to listen to all those kids playing Halo 3. You hardly see anything like that playing Resistance and Warhawk over PSN.

So, maybe if you actually spend some time at PSN instead of Xbox Live you would know that PSN it's not even close to the same childish Xbox Live demographics.

Now, the perverts may be in both but how can we really tell?

[candystop]

No sir you are the one thats wrong with this site! I don't agree with the level of hate he pushing but why is he in the wrong when tons of Sony fans are calling 360 trash the lag box and knocking it with claims like PGR3 should not of gotten a 10 0ut of 10 on 1up? Stop the BS your wrong and we are right crap already! This entire fan boy feud is just silly but if you guys want to keep on trolling and telling 360 owners that there opinion is less then yours then this will continue! To many times have I seen comments just like yours where you jump on somebody and ignore the real issue of how it began! If you wanted to be fair you should of addressed everybody but I can tell your only reasoning is for Sony and nothing else!

Back on topic: I think it's ashame they are arguing over home and Live and kind of hope that both services learn from each other!

Edit to titan: I should of known better then to comment to an immature kid or man acting like one! All you do is spit negative hate and stupid sh!t seriously! This topic has nothing to do with how much you hate 360 but yet and still you make it out to be that way! You need to learn to be fair and quit being such a twit!

[SJL480]

Ha Ha Ha Ha HA
FEAR AND DENIAL

[Fanboy Slaughter]

Honestly, genuine, you don't deserve to have Brock Samson as your avatar, please remove it immediately before you make him look bad.

[killer_trap]

well i can't argue about it. they tried it and i haven't. i'll hold judgment until i'm in the virtual gaming world that soney promised.

so far they haven't disappointed me so i've got my hopes up.

and i think we've learned by now that the so called experts opinions mean nothing to us.

[Legion]

Sorry, I wasn't going to get into this dog fight. (pointless really... HOME isn't available yet and LIVE is currently the best thing going for multiplayer)

But your statement about Sony having not disappointed you yet... ROTFL.. you must be VERY easy to please.

Every system I have owned has disappointed me at one time or another. Wether it was Sega and their lack of fight to stay in the console business. Or Nintendo for not being able to get their heads out of the proverbial childrens rears. Or Sony for telling us we are going to have the best experience of our lives with their next big game, and never delivering. Or Microsoft trying too hard to out do Sony first and having to come back and fix the system issues they should have fixed before it went to market.

Every console has had issues and every company has problems. It is those that can't see this that are just blind ignorant patsies.

[iceman2929]

calgary flames FTW
thats my boy Darren Mcccccccccccarty ... lol, had to sell his stanly cup rings cuz hes a gambler

[Polluted]

Flames rule!

[jack who]

geewiizzzzzz rofl

[Meus Renaissance]

Can we actually talk about what they said instead of just calling one another fanboys for once?

[LJWooly]

Sony and Microsoft have got everyone hypnotised with their stupid viral marketing crap, that's why every thread on N4G is like this.

Bubbles to you for being smart. N4G could use smart people...

[The Karate Kid]

2008 Predictions Here Folks...........

PS3 will soon be priced at $299.99 (This is where it all begins)

Home will be released and it will include ingame XMB voice chat etc etc

EA finally gets it right! There will be no difference in the versions of madden football, NBA Live or NHL hockey.

$299 PS3 with the arrival of Little Big Planet, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Gran Turismo 5, Tekken 6, White Knight Story, possibly Final Fantasy 13 will push PS3 into the mainstream masses along with Blu-Ray!

[jack who]

good job your live true to your user id +10

[Mr Marbles]

You actually call yourself Kaz? Could you possibly be any more of a tool? In 2008 If PS3 will hit 299, the competition will likely be 199, and that is the mass market price.

Home will be released but it will cost money to do absolutely anything worthwhile in it, they will nikel and dime you to death.

EA will still favor the console with the largest install base in America, that will still be 360. America is where they sell all their stupid sports games.

All those games either have or will have counters on the more popular console.

[Jdash24]

"Home will be released but it will cost money to do absolutely anything worthwhile in it, they will nikel and dime you to death."

-sorry to tell you.....but you've gotten home confused with xbox live..........where they charge you for gamer pictures and themes

"EA will still favor the console with the largest install base in America, that will still be 360. America is where they sell all their stupid sports games."

-If thats true......then EA would favor the wii

"All those games either have or will have counters on the more popular console."

-last i checked all those games (aside from tekken 6) are ps3 exclusive

[Bazookajoe_83]

Didnt listen to the podcast, but does anybody care about 1up anymore? havent they lost all there credability?

[Barreldragon00]

I don't know about any one else but my biggest excitement about home is Clan battles and tournaments there going to be so much easer now that you can see how many people are on each team who is fighting now. you can even go over and talk with the other team while your waiting for you match to start, and not just sitting around waiting for a message thinking that they forgot about you. When i see HOME that is what i think of.

[Account deleted]

a ban should be considered on news coming from fanboys and/or biased sites like 1UP, xboxkings, SDF blablbblabalba .... you get my drift.. those shhhhiiiiitttty news shouldn't be approved

[vloeistof]

tssss so there is just 1 ps3 fan(boy) at 1up big up for him then

[felidae]

1down

[name]

It really does seem like Shane goes through the same debates that alot of PS3 owners do. I have to go through crap like that every single time I purchase a game. I don't remember people buying Xbox's having to go through that kind of garbage. I don't see why SOME 360 owners have to be like that this gen.

[Mr Marbles]

Anybody care to comment on the subject? I cant listen because I am boycotting 1up.

[THUNDERMARE]

Nothing much going on really, Garnett was bashing anything that related to PS3 such as he said that Nathan Drake ran like a French queer and $40 for GT5:prologue is a joke or HOME will be a huge let down and nothing but the total rip off of Second Life while Shane try his best to protect it.
Well that pretty much say what type of people is running 1up.

What I'm not particularly like about Garnett is that he brought up a lot of argument that entirely baseless or highly subjective. Things like HOME that's not even out yet.

[Lex Luthor]

But $40 for prologue is a ripoff, especially when you have to pay another $60 for the full version.
And your trying to tell me Home isn't VERY similar to Second Life? ROFL

[THUNDERMARE]

If you have never play, let alone see, the official release of HOME, I think you should refrain from commenting on it being similar to second life and all.
Beside, $40 for prologue might be a rip off for you but not for 100k other japaneses who bought the game, that's why I said Garnett is very subjective and I dont like that because its a bad journalism.

[Enzo]

Nice summary CeruleanSky!

As I said before, follow the link below then click on "MICROSOFT DEFENSE FORCE" on the top right and see where it takes you :)

http://www.sonydefenseforce...

[Legion]

So you are asking us to goto a Sony fansite and click on a link that THEY made and wonder why it goes to 1up? Duh... because this particular site hates 1up and thinks it is pro XBox.

If I sent you to an XBox fansite and they had a link that was showing "Sony Fanboys" and it linked to say Man Boy Love Association... would that make it a fact? Idiots...

[gamesR4fun]

ROALF

[Legion]

What does that mean...? Rolling On A Long Fart? Running Over A Limp Frog? Ralfing Out A Lunch Feast? You got me on this one... just can't figure it out????

I got it... Routing On A Loosing FlameWar!!!!

[f7ss1]

those guys are clowns, they once did an article in honor of square enix's 20th anniversary and said whether or not every game they've made is worth it to find or not. They said ff8, and mario rpg were not worth it while 10-2 was.

[Mc187]

You sir are the shiznit.
when i heard him callin the other guy a troll i was rofl. but then the other guy said f you and it was so funny. good post

p.s.
fanboys<sigh>

[PimpHandHappy]

because in my circles thats when the debate stops and the ice bags get brought out

jeees these 1UP guys are fan boys i see

[TwissT]

I have never went to 1up never have never will.

[unlimited]

1up sucks only xbox360 fanboys work there..shane should work somewhere else... The onlyproblem i have with the sony is that they need to release the game!! and not delay it..

[PimpHandHappy]

Can i spread some FUK u's around

This goes to all the ppl who wont buy a PS3 because of the fanboys or because they dont like the CORP machine that is Sony. This goes out to the Trolls that get into every postive PS3 thread and tell us all the games suck. This goes out to those who say their gaming machine is just for games. This goes out to those that continue MS viral marketing by the words they use and the words they read. This goes out to those that think sending a system in for 4 weeks isnt bad if its free....

FUK U

and merry christmas

[LinuxGuru]

I agree.

[toughNAME]

PimpHandHappy - 4 Hours ago

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Ignore4 - btw
did anyone that played bio Shock ever see a Big Daddy get stuck in a corner. It happened to me like 3 times and he was a real easy kill

talk about buggy

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FUK U hypocrite

[Lex Luthor]

Ahhh... Sony retards don't like 1up anymore?
Even though they were jumping up and down like retarded monkeys when 1up(SHANE) said DMC4 on ps3 was better than the 360 version.

BTW Shane Bettenhausen is the biggest Sony fanboy, everyone knows this. Even some fellow sony fanboys.

[LinuxGuru]

Have you taken a second to realize that he's alone amidst a bunch of xbox fans?

yeah, sometimes he says strange stuff;

he's friggin cornered! outnumbered!

He's the one that dares to take a stand for sony, and I admire that!

[metalhead]

The fact that this got out will show that 1up is a biased piece of crap site. I know this may sound fanboyish, but COME ON. 1up has done this for a while, cancelling OPM and bad reviews for good games. Unless your a 360 fanboy don't get this crap. Game Informer is the best cause its not biased

[Legion]

The fact that this one got out???? What... you do realize that it was a Podcast that they wanted out??!! You make it sound like a hidden find that will tear down 1up.

[zane_7849]

I think most of the people on 1up are intelligent about videogames, but very ignorant to their own biases. Some folks like for example Mark Macdonald or Kathleen Sanders ALMOST ALWAYS take a negative stance to anything Sony related and always come up rosey on most things Microsoft related.

[chrno6]

yeah I remember Kathleen saying that "Scene it" is going to be the next big thing for MS that will attract a whole lot of casual gamers. What a joke. She's the biggest female xbot I have ever seen.

[DJ]

And yeah, when presented with anything that puts Playstation 3 in a positive light she (along with a few other staff members there) try to come up with side topics because they have trouble admitting an advantages its games/services have. But even worse than that, she has trouble getting her facts straight, regardless of what platform she's talking about.

Jeniffer Tsao just seems like she doesn't belong there. This has been obvious since TGS.

Shane, Bryan, and Matt seem to be the best people to rely upon in the 1UP staff though. I think some of the people on this site need to realize that a lot of bad comments and observations published by _____ journalistic sites/magazines aren't really representative of the entire staff. You need to really look at who wrote what, and then it becomes a lot more obvious which articles to read and which ones to avoid. If you're into multiplatform titles (for example) avoid anything written by Hillary Goldstein at IGN.com.

[toughNAME]

Awesome picture Meus

[Salvadore]

I am seriously too tired to listen to the whole podcast.

[Ri0tSquad]

"starts at the 2hour, 15min and 50second mark on the podcast."

[Bordel_1900]

Anything on 1UP about the PS3 is totaly uninterresting.

[zapass]

you made my day, woahahaha!

[Keyser]

Even though he NEVER has to go into Home he still hates on it. He could play games in Home and meet friends or not but he hates that it even exists. This guy is anit progress and is really a troll. Thats terrible thinking for the game industry.

[Sevir04]

my service is better than yours... ZOMGOODNESS people cant we ALL for once just focus on a topic and leave the fankid BS alone... in the begining this site was a matsre piece but now it's turned into a place where vultures come to eat the carcasses of dead fankids. these trolls from both camps come in from under bridges, rocks and caves just to trash each other. with their double standards. Good Gosh you fankids make me sick ANOTHER THREAD YET AGAIN DELUGED IN FANKID BANTER...

WTF else is NEW?

[Ri0tSquad]

Nothing really got out of hand.

[Bazookajoe_83]

If you listen it throu it´s kinda intresting, i didnt find any bashing...

[Bazookajoe_83]

I didnt really think there was any bashing, they said bioshock and drake was awsome. Mass effect had it´s flaws but were good. They thought Duke would flopp, they said burnout was a little better on ps3 than 360. Everyone was excited about home but some didnt really think people would use it (that it would be kind of to complicated) but it got defeanded by saying it would be nice to go on home if u dont really know what you want to play (see what other people are playing or see them bowling). And thats pretty much what was said, they did talk a little pc gaming to, but not so much.

[HarryEtTubMan]

i DONT RELALY CARE... I just opened my PS3 yesterday and its the best system I've ever pwned in my life... yes I also have a junkbox... Its just not a PS3... the 360 feels more like a toy. UT3 and WARHAWK are SOO good! I didnt even think WArhawek would be that good! ITS AWESOME!!!!! LIKE VERY VERY GOOD AND UNIQUE/DIFFERENT. Its just so hard!!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

PS3/DROIDS crying again, what else is new? you guys ever run out of tissue for those "run like river eyes" of yours. SDF is owned by MS and so is MTV now right?

No one ever blames the real problem with the PS3, "THE PS3". You just like to blame every website, mag and TV station saying they are all owned by MS, but yet Sony is a rich ole company themselves and has a heck of alot of money to spend. But no! it's not Sony's fault for the PS3 "it's MS's fault" or UBI, Capcom, EA, Activision, Sega, id, Epic or Sierra (with alot more EA EA EA EA EA)

Yeah, Sony's PS3 had absolutly nothing wrong with it, MS pays for all it's problems.

[zane_7849]

Thanks "Jason 360" for your obviously unbiased opinion.

[ps3FTW]

1up sucks since most of the users are 360 or wii fanboys.

[aba]

Exactly. If all you whiners really hate 1up that bad then you must really despise all the other sh*t podcasts out there. 1up Yours is by far better than most.

EDIT: Dude the point is that its not an "xbot" podcast as many of these retards believe.

[Mr Marbles]

Just stop with the accusations of bias here. I am no 1up fan but they are not biased! Biased would be if a news outlet reports all the negatives on one party and ignores the negatives of another, and only reports positives of that party. Like CNN does W.Bush, they never say anything positive about the president,only negative, THAT is bias. 1up sh*ts all over the 360 all the time, so they are NOT biased. You kids can't hate on and right off anyone who says anything negative about the PS3. There are many negatives to debate on both sides in this console conflict, you Sony morons only make yourselves the least informed because you don't listen to anyone who has ever said anything negative about Sony! And pretty much everyone has.

[TrooGamer]

ALL FANBOYS SUCK!!!!!

[Legion]

A better reference would be like FOX News to democrats. That news channel (loose use of the word news...) is hysterical. I like watching it just to see the stupid things that come out of the mouths of idiots. Shane being compared to Bill O'Reilly not having a clue most of the time. Kind of like NG4... just a bunch of tools for the most part. But hey... that is why we come to NG4... we LOVE the arguments!!!

[JokerSGS]

This is a dumb argument. People should realize that a lot of those things like trophies should never be released now because no one would really be enticed to try Home. Who wants to try Home if everything that is the backbone of Home is already out? Home is expanding on the big attchment of social networks, but adding the video game aspect.

Another thing is comparing Second Life and Home is a horrible comparison. Home has a lot more involved in the core design where as Second Life just seems like you are doing nothing. Second Life is the core game compared to Home which is just the appetizer to the main course which is actually playing a game. Allowing people to share music, videos and all these other things while being able to voice chat or text, and at anytime jumping into a game or going to the many other activities going on in the "world" is amazing. Although I'm not big on MMO's or interactive experiences that mimic real life, I'm excited to see how Home expands on the idea of connecting with your friends and playing video games.

[mikeslemonade]

This was on of the better 1up yours podcast episodes. I don't care what any of you say out of my 40 something podcasts, 1up yours is the #1 podcast I look forward to listening every week. The reason being is the 1up yours people aren't afraid to put there thoughts into gaming and they also have the knowledge to back it up.

[FirstknighT]

It's funny how sony boys are always pointing fingers on everything else but the ps3. Maybe the ps3 isn't what you thought it was going to be? You ever think of that??? Seriously, stop blaming developers, websites, game magazines, the whole gaming community on the problems of the ps3. I'm tired of hearing "it's owned or paid by microsoft." You guys have to be really delusional if you believe that.

I said it from the beginning...Home is going to be another addition to the growing list of ps3 failures.

[ash_divine]

it's a double-eged sword, hypocrite

[DJ]

You sound just like Jason360, and unfortunately make statements that are just as unimpressive. When attempting to 'argue', you need to actually provide facts (or at least reasons) in order to support your accusations. Simply stating "Well PS3 is a failure, and everything Sony related is a failure" really doesn't convey any maturity or intelligence on your part. Then again, you probably lack both.

[aba]

MY ASS dude, when have you EVER heard xbox owners blame sony for their troubles. Everytime something goes wrong ps3 related, its always microsoft, or the press, the web, the devs. BLAH BLAH BLAH.

EDIT: Plz dude, nobody stricken with RROD was called a "closet sony fanboy". However, when anyone mentions they have issues/problems with their ps3 every droid screams "LIAR" at em.

[macalatus]

@panzerfaust14,

Like before MS admitted the RROD, MS fanboys were claiming that RROD reports were made by Sony fanboys "pretending" to be 360 owners. Oh, any kind of hardware problems that pop out aside from RROD and that owner is almost automatically assumed as a closet Sony fanboy.

Speaking of devs, one of the popular "conspiracy theory" opinions why GTA IV got delayed is that Sony asked Rockstar to purposely delay the game. That opinion came from, you know it, MS fanboys.

And my top favorite: Former die-hard Sega fanboys now die-hard MS fanboys perpetually blame Sony for removing the Dreamcast off the competition. I can go on and on, but I'm not here to bore you.

UPDATE: Maybe not directly called "closet Sony fanboy" but the meaning is all the same. As a matter of fact (pardon me if I'm mistaken) early this year in this very website, people who were reporting RROD were themselves called a liar AND a Sony fanboy. I used to go to other forums outside this site and the same was true. Hell, I'll give you an article of how one reporter got accused of being a Sony fanboy (just for doing her job) after reporting on the issue. Here is the link:
http://forums.maxconsole.ne...

I'll fully agree with you that my side isn't a saint either, with people accusing other people of being liars as well as being an MS fanboy. My whole purpose of this entire post is not start a pissing contest with you but to say that the MS side is guilty as well.

[aiphanes]

So there is a lot of time for Sony to add and tweak HOME...they are already talking about using the sixaxis motion controls for guestures and making you avatar dance...can the Xbox 360 do this? NO...

HOME in its final form will be awesome...hell the PS3 is not awesome after firmware 2.10...look how far the PS3 has come after only 1 year...and this time next year...it will be a totally different machine.

The Xbots are just getting scared...and using lies and bull crap to make people not want the PS3...but Xbots...think about this...all the good games in 2008 are comming to the PS3...people will want to get a PS3 just to get these awesome games comming out.

I know it hurts your Xbot soul...but you gots to get over it...hopfully Gears of War 2 will be out...but we all know its gonna be short like the last one unless they use 2 DVD discs....

Wait until the first 50GB bluray game comes out...probably final fantasy 13...the Xbots are gonna go crazy over that one...

Now i am only calling people Xbots who are just stupid Xbox 360 fanboys who totally hate on the PS3 or Wii...you can be a 360 owner who has some love for all the game machines...and you are not a xbot...hell i have a Xbox 360 and a wii too...and i do not try to hate of the Xbox 360...i just know its limitations...just like the wii...they are both good machines...but after a year with all 3...i came to the realization that the PS3 really is the more power overall machine.

But all this fanboy crap is getting out of hand.

[toughNAME]

Your clearly being paid off by Microsoft to make the compitition look stupid

You are the biggest xbot

[candystop]

wow just wow.

[aba]

You need to kill yourself plz. Wow...

[bootsielon]

And if it's displayed on PS3 kiosks will surely draw crowds and, while not directly selling the PS3, will surely increase sales gradually. It's definitely a point of interest, and if they show movies and music in HOME in every PS3 kiosk, it'll lure some casuals and mediaphiles.

[Meus Renaissance]

Over 100 comments and only a couple actually talking about what was said in the podcast. Maybe that pictured stirred up the fanboy bad blood lol

[power of Green]

Sony fans are fucin crazy. Whats with the fanatics and there maxed out bubbles when you don't even see them post?. Just how many accounts do these people have?.

The hate and envy is so strong they hate "Xbotz". lol

[Ri0tSquad]

POG, are you kidding me? Smh......

[ScentlessApprentice7]

"360 has sold 14m+ units..."
"Ps3 has sold 7m+..."

Here you are like every other Bill Gates Butt Buddy touting the fact that xbox has a bigger consumer base than the PS3.

Gee you little troll, did you ever take into consideration the fact that the Xbox 360 was on the market a full year BEFORE the Playstation 3? and did you take into consideration the fact that the PS3 is doing just as well as the 360 in terms of first-year sales, despite all the accusations that ps3 has "no games and is the worst console in history"

If PS3 and xbox 360 were released simultaneously ps3 would own that freaking paper weight both in terms of software and hardware sales. But with idiot fanboys like you, I guess ignorance really is bliss.

[Dublin_Chewah]

'Troll' and 'Butt Buddies', what is going on here. 4 years down the line and both consoles will be paper weights when newer versions come out. Is it worth abusing each other for the sake of fanboyism!?!

MS and SONY employees need to make a living, just like everyone else, if I was working in a job that made people hate other people then I would reconsider my loyalties and get a new one. What I am trying to say is all fanboys and mindless zombies, gombified twits!?! All of you, SONY, MS and NINTENDO fanboys. You are like the Star trek geeks who know how to speak Klingon, the Star wars fans whom own their own light saber, and best of all I hope someone like Dreamworks is listening to all this bull and makes a satire of all you 'Thoroughbred muppets' (Apologies Kermit and Co.) just like the did with Galaxy Quest.

Never have I listen to such other crap spewing from the mouths of suck gob-lankers!?! I plan on conserving my energy as you all know You will live longer if you don't stress so much.

I am a games fan, in general, I play games as a hobby, just like when I masterbate or drink. I don't think people go on about methods or styles in those areas of their life just to argue with people. Hell, no one enjoys the out comes of my habits more than I do, please people, get a life and enjoy you're hobbies and decisions and don't force them on others! Dictatorship is dead, WW2 is over, there is no room in this world for another Hitler, all you little muppets should get a life, start living you're lives out side of videogames! They should only be used as a release of form of entertainment, not a virtual life to replace you're own.

[KillJoi99]

Live>Home

[zane_7849]

Actually, LIVE = A good, proven pay for use online service that offers many traditional well implemented online features, noted for it's variety and ease of use.

HOME = An upcoming and largely anticipated part of the free PSN network that focused on community and customization by the player in a 3D ever expanding world incorporating some aspects of the LIVE standard in a different 3D dynamic.

It is pretty lame to diss something you have seemingly never tried, and is not available yet.

[ScentlessApprentice7]

Don't waste your time trying to talk some sense into ANY of these idiots.

Xbots haven't even tried the PS3 in general otherwise they wouldn't be posting the same crap over and over again like it not having any good games.

Only people within the gaming industry have tried the Home beta but yet we still see all this biased crap from the MS fanboys like "Home sucks!. It will NEVER match Live. Its the worst service in history"
Pretty pathetic isn't it Zane?

[TripleTags]

Anyone who listens to this show knows that this is totally normal and why the podcast is good because its not a kiss ass fest.

[Strife Lives]

But really,who cares. ive only ever seen one of their podcasts and seeing a bunch of adults b1tching about how to transform in warioland or sumthing was so lame. OMG, their immature. Their opinion doesnt matter. In my opinion though.. Home isnt a great idea.its actually kinda dangerous. Especially to kids. Xbl seems safer. Reason being,microsoft has ur credit card number etc,well most of the times they can trace u if they have to. Home,being free..means any1 with a ps3 can lie about all their details. Im only saying this cuz on Facebook,there was this 40yr old guy adding 16 and 14 yr old kids, and them being arrogant and stupid acceptd his friend requests. So when my little brothers friend told me bout it,and that he wantd school photos of them. I contactd facebook and had that bastards account shut down. These 40 yr old pervs taking advantage of every chance they get to take advantage of little gurls. It pisses me off. As long as Home protects them,I cnt b1tch at Sony

[macalatus]

A fight between two fanboys at 1up really got people mobilized to their respective sides and are now duking it out against the other side. This is one of those articles that really brings out the emotion from both sides.

[Chubear]

If it's not so blatantly obvious to gamers that 1UP/EGM and gamespot have some sort of contractual agreement with MS then that explains the reason why PR groups think the gaming community are a joke and are easily manipulated.

I mean come on look at gamestop not giving any PS3 exclusive title a 9 or higher but are all to ready to dole out 9s and 10s for utter 360 exclusive mediocre turd with the likes of Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords and PD:0... Puzzle-FRIKGEN-Quest: Challenge of the Warlords?!?!?! ARE YOU FRIKGEN KIDDING ME?!

These are better gaming experiences than the likes of Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, R:fom, Warhawk etc? Wow! just wow!

[tomfoolery]

Ps3 f@gs on this Sony infested site fvcking know it.

Sucks to be you dipsh1ts with your overhyped joke movie playing systems.

YOU LOSE SONYTARDS.

To call you less than dumb asses would be a crime.

Hope yer proud of yer Jap butt raped arses and burn in hell this gen..............IN DEAD LAST PLACE,
BWAHAHA!!!!

Your friend Tom.

[Lord Cheese]

this is a genuine inquiry, not a post intended to start a flamewar - what is Home going to give people above and beyond what live gives on the 360?

I'm not saying Home wont be better than what live provides, it could be massively better, but from what i understand, its going to provide:

- Trophy room of some sort = Achievements
- Video store = Xbox live market place
- Chat = Live has it
- Video arcade = xbla
- Custom avatars etc = no equivalent there of course - sort of like an MMO style second-life interface thing instead of a bog-standard menu system - nice touch but will people who just want to play games really care that much?
- Did read somewhere about clan battles - xbl doesnt have this but it has been identified as a future enhancement that i think is under development, not sure if its the same extent to home though.

I might be missing the point, and i apologise if my lack of exposure to the coverage of homes features means i'm not fully conversant with what its intended to do, but is it not just a community engine of sorts for the ps3 that will provide some of the features currently available on the 360?

Please dont misunderstand me here - i want my ps3 to be as functionally rich as my 360 - right now the online gaming experience (in my opinion) doesnt measure up on the ps3, and i really do hope it does catch up in time for games like KZ2 to take advantage of it.

I cant see myself using home that much, if only because i like throwing a disk into my ps3 and firing it up straight away (or mucking about with remote play which is freaking awesome!) and perhaps i'm not really in the demographic sony are after anyway. Proper games are what i'm looking forward to next year really.

[Lex Luthor]

HOME is for people who seriously lack social skills and can't make friends.

[macalatus]

@lord cheese,

You have really good points, but IMO, it would be best if Sony doesn't try to tackle Live head on. I would rather have Home be something UNIQUE instead of just copying it. I'm not saying that Live sucks or anything, but Home should be unique enough to gather interest not found anywhere else.

@lex luthor,

You're one of those people without any friends or lack social skills right? That explains why you're just trolling around.

[TUFFnNYC]

Not everyone knows what exactly HOME has to offer other than whats been reported. Im sure there is plenty more. However, im sure that it wont be a failure. Sony had not once let me down and i know they are working hard on this project. Whats funny is the fact the M$ wants to do the same thing in the future. I could find the link but it will take me days on N4g. If HOME was a 360 product these xbots would switch it up and say, "HAHAHA, you Sony fanboys dont have crap. We got it first. M$ is the best." Alot of haters on this site. HOME is ours so please let us have it without the xbot comments.

[tordavis]

PS3 Fanboy: "$40 for GT Prologue is a good deal!"
Same PS3 Fanboy: "$50 for Live is a ripoff! Microsoft is robbing you blind LOL!"

[allforcalisto]

the idiocy in this thread is ridiculous.

i read the title of this post then i listened to the podcast near enough 5 mins into it i completely forgot about the "heated debate on home" there was hardly a heated debate. If you want heated debate listen to a sarcastic gamer podcast. now they're bias, but they still make me laugh.

back to 1up.
THEY SPOKE ABOUT MANY OTHER THINGS! please stop being such pathetic excuses for human beings.

they all have differing opinions on things. I share many of shane's opinions on games, but the dude who liked mass effect didnt. In fact i think two or so of them slaughtered mass effect.

I've got the game and i enjoy but i agree with the other speakers in that podcast. Bioware overhyped, and the game doesnt deliver as much as past offerings from them; namely kotor. In kotor the characters in your party responded in logical ways and realistic ways; not realistic enough but better than Mass effect. Nothing seems to have much life in it. I love jrpgs so this does annoy me when i play Mass, considering near enough all jrpgs have worlds with interesting npcs who have personas. I mean you could fairly call them cliche, but hell mass effect is just another bundle of cliches. to thos who may not believe i have the game.
I'm 6 and half hours in, and i'm on feros in the colony. I'm looking for the matriach whose daughter i need to also look for. Driving the mako drove me insane when trying to pwn the geth on that highway. In the sewer there's that guy who's insane (dont know why yet) and you have to open three water valves for that woman.

Months i've been saying that the approach naughty dog takes with uncharted makes more sense as the characters really seem alive.

back to the home thing, didnt you realize listening to that podcast that the guy complaining was countered sucessfully. He was kinda being whiny "ooh i wanna get straight into the game"
then eventually i think two of them (including shane) conveyed that, that would be possible and the social aspect of home was optional.

At least in their podcasts, they are not bias at all.
and guys please stop taking all this so personally.

[rushbd]

waste of my bandwidth

[ROCCOZILLA]

sonys online will dominate the futre.HOME will be one of the best thing every,and theres never any lag like the ps2 only skate had lag but thats EA there just a bunch of lazy developers.PLAY B3YOND!

[SSCOOLCHEA]

were sony fanboy , but you know what i dont give a shil because i do love all sony products ...to bad for you because you know they do make the best shil. to bad any of you losers in here who talk shil cant afford it thats why your talking shil. you already know how i feel about 1up . there just like you and me so what they say doesnt mean shil because i have a brain and what i want to buy i will buy and i dont have to let these fukers who are the same age is me tell me what to buy. But now I see when there writing a story its not just a story anymore they say just to see the the sony fanboys get riled up and thats whats news is all about these days . to stir things up....put me in the ignored list i dont give a fuk......merry christmas

[nomad117]

I can't wait for home the first thing im going to do is get a couch big tv invite my PSN buddys over and watch all 5 seasons of
Red Vs Blue really great series
Hey blue how do you like these apples by apples I mean bullets how do you like these pears guess what I mean by pears Deeznutz

[i_like_ff7]

lol that was good and i think bioshock>masseffect.

[creeping judas]

how can HOME be free??

i read CS excellently laid fact sheet @ #8 about what innovations, and infrastructure that is going in to HOME. Im not bashing HOME, I just cant fathom how it can be or remain free with the amount of work going into it?
any guesses?

[LinuxGuru]

because Sony doesn't believe in charging for providing a social pre-game setting.

That's why it's free.

Pretty crazy, no?

A company that dares to provide a feature-rich service for FREE?

*faints*

EDIT**

LordCheese, even after reading your totally useless retort, Home is and will remain a free service.

What does all your Capitalist B.S. have to say to that?

[Lord Cheese]

Are you for real? or just trying to get a rise out of the xbots? Because that is an utterly ridiculous comment.

If you actually believe that sony wouldnt charge people for Home in a second if they thought it would be accepted by the gaming community, then you are hopelessly naive.

Unless sony have decided to shed the shackles of capitalism and become some sort of charity, and it just hasnt been announced, please dont make out that they are some sort of caring sharing organisation. They'd screw consumers just as quickly as microsoft would if it would improve the report to their shareholders.