PlayStation 3: Third Party Support

With a $399 price tag and some heavy hitters like Burnout Paradise and Metal Gear Solid 4, now is the time to purchase a PS3.

[DiLeCtioN]

line up man, 2008 is gonna be a killer year

[CeruleanSky]

Yep, I don't think many people still grasp at how large Sony's first party development has grown since last gen.

Last gen you had 125+ million people from around the world buy PS2s for Sony's combination of first party + third party games.

This gen you have the PS3 that has virtually every one of those first party + third party games with the addition of an insane amount of new exclusive first party games.

The PS3 has of course long passed the 360 in Japan. And the PS3 now has passed the 360 across most of Europe other than the UK in just nine months. So by the start of 2008 the 360 is only going to be leading in installed base in just NA, and the UK, and maybe a few random minor countries.

Third party developers are looking at two consoles:

The PS3:

* Selling well in all three major console regions

* Most powerful console by a huge margin: Killzone 2, GT, Uncharted, etc

* Next gen storage - 25/50 gig discs

* Rock solid reliable console

* Open and developer friendly online system - Epic/Unreal, NCsoft games, etc.

vs.

360:

* Dead in two of the three major console regions

* Weak and difficult to use graphics hardware - idiotic too small for 720p 10megs of EDRAM setup forcing developers to waste time writing tile based renderers or just skipping having decent AA in their 360 games

* Gimped storage format that is 1.5 gigs smaller than last gen

* Unprecedented hardware failure rates

* Closed and developer hostile online network - Epic is having to waste a half a year rewriting UT just to work with Microsoft's online network

[mesh1]

HAHA SONY DRIODS ARE DESPERATE AYE SO we shud buy aps3 says a nobady makiong up storys hahahaha i will never buy a ps3 till 2009 maybe

[QuackPot]

@mesh

stay an xbot. YOu're one of the biggest x-DROIDS around. Stick to your own and don't violate the Laws of Nature. Could be the end of the universe.

[cloud360-7th_account]

Naruto is better than DBZ. the jap version is the best. Eng sucks

Watch it here and dont cry

(mind the language)

http://www.veoh.com/videos/...

[tk]

I have a PS3. It is beating the XB360 in two regions. The XB360 is far from dead in the European region. It is actually quite on par with PS3 sales in Europe. I think the PS3 will win in two regions, and it will be a tie in NA... but the XB360 have made great gains this generation.

In Japan it is dead. In NA it is leading. In Europe it is competitive. Don't act like a frustrated drag queen.

[MaximusPrime]

i've downloaded the WMV files off gametrailers. It WORKS on PS3!

There are actually two TV Spots to enjoy. ;)

[DiLeCtioN]

embed it too, thanks.

EDIT: @TheMART. some of the games you mentioned are first party titles. if you noticed games like rachet and clan, when that came out people were going crazy for it. so i think its better to show your product now and get the consumer's attention.

[TheMART]

People were going crazy over Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted...

Is that why Uncharted only moved 117k in sales? And R&C didn't sold a lot also?

EDIT

To Tanod (below)

So why did Sony need to drop the price of the PS3 in Europe within 6 months from 600 to 400 Euro? Because the PS3 didn't sold like they expected.

Why don't PS3 owners buy games then?

PS3 attach rate @ launch: 1.5 game per unit
PS3 attach rate now: 3.6 games per unit

360 attach rate @ launch: 4.5 games per unit
360 attach rate now: 6.6 games per unit

The PS3 isn't doing well at all. Sorry to burst your bubble. Again.

Ucharted outselling a 360 game? Hahaha come on. Halo 3 sold 5 mln. copies in a few months. Gears of War sold over 5 mln. copies. Even Mass Effect outsells Uncharted.

[TANOD]

go play your cartoon HALO 3 or ur BREAK BOX 360.

people buy x360 because of games????????????

Oh really . This is why X360 is the least selling console on a WORLDWIDE basis

PS3 has far better lineup with Resistance, UT3,Motorstorm,NGS,Ratcget and ofcourse the AWESOME UNCHARTED

x360 has no games except HALo 3 --the cartoon game.

Bioshock and Gears are on PC too. UT3 is upgraded version of GEARS LMFAO.

BTW UNCHARTED makes Bioshock /Gears or any game on any console look like OUTDATED TRASH

The AI of UNCHARTED is TRUE NEXT GEN. The GRAPHICS are only matched by CRYSIS

BTW Uncharted is outselling all x360 games on a worldwide basis . Dont take just NA sales into account. TAKE worldwide sales and then see what happens

[CeruleanSky]

PS3 attach rate now: 3.6 games per unit

360 attach rate now: 6.6 games per unit

The 360 has been on the market for roughly twice as long as the PS3.

Thanks for showing that the PS3 has a somewhat larger attach rate than the 360 even with your inane Xbot numbers.

The PS3,Wii,360 all have roughly the same attach rates unless you are using vgchartz fanboy fantasy land numbers.

The problem for the Wii though is that even though it does have roughly the same attach rate as the PS3 and 360, it is 90 percent first party Nintendo published titles.

[TheMART]

I don't get it. When the games mentioned will release in 2008, why is it now the time to buy a PS3?

It would be smarter to wait till those games release (for example MGS4, GT5, KZ2, God of War 3 and Little Big Planet about all release at the end of 2008), there is a big chance the PS3 price has dropped to somewhere between 200 and 300 Euro/Dollar, you get a rumble controller with the package, Home will be there finally and you can get it in white.

Buying it now would be pretty stupid

[MaximusPrime]

buying xbox 360 now is a very risky move.

After all that hype with bad customer service, unreliable machine, noisy fan, RRoD, pay for online service, pay for HDDVD expansion when HDDVD figure are dropping.

PS3 are doing well at the moment. There are more games out than what you think.
If you dont have PS3 WHY BOTHER POSTING?

[Polluted]

So you're picking one up at the end of 2008 then?

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

@Maximus

all the things you mentioned have been public knowledge but yet it hasnt stopped people from going out and buy the system. the reason for that is GAMES. games that are currently out are driving the console sales not games that will be out.

people were saying its stupid for MS to only show this years lineup i mean look at the console sales do people still think it was a bad idea?

[TheMART]

@ Maximus

"buying xbox 360 now is a very risky move. "

Wrong. All 360's that have a MFR date of October and up, have 65nm chipset and the extra heatsink. No problems of overheating. It has the best gaming experience and a 3 year warranty. Buying a 360 for a gamer is the best move now. A PS3 maybe next Christmas. When the promissed games aren't delayed any further to 2009.

"If you dont have PS3 WHY BOTHER POSTING?"

Because this video saying buy it now and mentions the games for 2008 is stupid, as mentioned above. Get rumble, a lower price and the games when you buy it the 2nd half of 2008. Simple as that.

[CeruleanSky]

It is staggering to look back at the performance of the PS2 worldwide since the first Xbox was killed off by Microsoft.

Sony has sold more PS2s worldwide in just the time since the first Xbox stopped being produced than Microsoft managed in the Xbox's entire life.

That is what gets you developer support across the globe in all three major console regions.

No sane developer outside of pc centric US developers are dumb enough to tie their development resources to a console like the 360 that is:

* Selling at roughly the same rate worldwide as the first Xbox marketplace flop

* Made by the company that pulled the plug early on their last console leaving developers scrambling to deal with the mess

* After two years on the market still has unprecedented hardware failure problems

* Actually has 1.5gig LESS storage than last gen

* Is dead in two of the three major regions

[CrazzyMan]

or what?
what the point? IF gamer want a PS3 he will buy a PS3.

OF`COURSE BEST is to wait 80GB bundle with MGS4 in spring 2008 with dualshock3 for 449$. But people have a CHOICE when to buy, IT IS THEIR MONEY.

OVERALL, i hope we agree, that PS3 will DOMINATE in 2008? =)

[Bubble Buddy]

MART: Microsoft Action Response Team

[sak500]

@TheMart: Agreed 100% +bubbles exactly what i wanted to comment. The damn list of games has been shown since E3 2005 and after 3 years most of the games are nowhere to be seen. MGS, GT, FF all are getting delayed and maybe even land up in 2009 so why the hell would anyone pay $500 to play ps2 games or watch BD movies? When they can pick up 360 at lot less and play great line up of games.

[actas123]

What do u mean alot less? the standard and playable Xbox 360 is selling at 350, which is only 50 dollars than PS3. It makes all sense to pay the extra 50 bucks for the solid and superior machine... Well, unless you are a cow or a mule then ya you'll probably get a last gen 360..

[N4Flamers]

If I was a developer I would not be exclusive and I sure as hell would get on a system where I could sell some games 360 but I agree you should buy one when those games come out and I dont know be able to play them. This is just an ad to get people to buy PS3's so if you have one why are you posting.

[mesh1]

sony fans can do all the likke the 360 is kicking sony ass u can type all u wamnt to soothe urself but at the end of the day 360 is owning ps3 hahaha why even replay to this sony kids hahaha they are crying so they get on the net mgs4 old/tekken 5 garabge/ther eno game in 2008 that good coming out for sony ps3

[Lifendz]

if it wasn't for your avatar, and your constant anti-Sony postings, this would be considered a very valid and un-biased post. I agree with you. With all their big IP's coming next year there really is no reason to rush out and buy a PS3 now. Next year will be a different story.

BTW, I'm not so sure you're right about the 360 overheating problem being solved. And having to fork over 50 bucks right out the box to even play with your friends online is still a rip off.

[ravinash]

Its was a good deal then, and with the proce drop an even better deal now.
And I've had hours of fun on it.

[UnblessedSoul]

2008 is Ps3's year then the year after we got final fantasy, it's all over we won

[InMyOpinion]

What is the price you get from "winning"?

[Laexerias]

... The Mart will cry, thats our prize.

(The Mart is Bill Gates)

[CeruleanSky]

The PS2 has reached 125-130 million worldwide with the single greatest library of games ever for a console:

Final Fantasy
Gran Turismo
Metal Gear Solid
Team ICO Games
Ratchet and Clank
Killzone
Jak and Daxster
SOCOM
Sly Cooper
...

As those gamers upgrade to 1080p TVs over the next five years wonder which console they will be buying...

[v1c1ous]

it's called the wii.

EDIT: i love how i got 2 disagrees within seconds.

sonyfans need to wake up and smell the coffee. ps3 will NOT sell 120 million.

ps2 was the only good choice last gen, this gen there's actually variety.

stop being pansies and accept it.

[TANOD]

The casuals are buying Wii until the big games of PS3 hit the scene

Most of the wii owners would be buying a PS3 when it comes down to 250/300

The owners of wii are mostly underaged KIDS and SENIOR CITIZENS who play wii in their spare time

PS3 will sell more than PS2 in its entire lifetime

[Shaka2K6]

xbug 360 has nothing left, no games for 2008.

[TANOD]

UNCHARTED killed all hype for x360 and all its games .

imagine what happens when FF13/MGS4/GT5 lands .

[TheMART]

Ah right... that's how you call:

Alan Wake
Gears of War 2
Too Human
Splinter Cell: Conviction
Lost Odyssey
GTA IV the complete story incl. 2 episodic downloads
Left 4 Dead
Fable 2
Fallout 3 (development on 360)
Huxley (40 gamers online in Resistance? What about 5.000 in a city/area and 100 vs 100 battles?)
Ninja Gaiden 2

Sorry, you failed. Any game the PS3 would have, the 360 at least has one alternative.

[masterg]

@The Mart

"Any game the PS3 would have, the 360 at least has one alternative"

I'm not going to make this long. I'm only going to say "LittleBigPlanet".

Now I'm eagerly waiting for your response :)

[TANOD]

Alan Wake ----what a JOKE ....did u see the gameplay footage of that garbage game

Gears of War 2 ----We have UT3 . uses the same engine as Gears /Gears 2.However it is totally unimpressive VS UNCHARTED ---The real next gen GAME

Too Human ---arent u even ashamed about this game. See its disappointing gameplay footage at GAMETRAILERS

Splinter Cell: Conviction ---lol another EA/Ubisoft crap. available on PC too

Lost Odyssey ----Looks like a PS2 game (IGN)

GTA IV ---PS3 has exclusive content too and comes on a single BD disk unlike 2 disc for x360

Left 4 Dead ---lol what a joke game
Fable 2 --------lol again
Fallout 3 (development on 360) ----also on PS3

Huxley ---Agency/3 other MMos for PS3 . one being GUILD WAR PS3

Ninja Gaiden 2 -----another mega flop game . Will flop in Japan and Eu. Only some XTARDS will buy it in NA

***************************** ****************************** * ***********

NOW TIME FOR SOME PS3 CARNAGE

FF13 ---BIGGEST AND BADDEST GAME OF THIS GENERATION

MGS 4---2nd BIGGEST GAME THIS ERA

GT5---THE BIGGEST RACING GAME OF THIS ERA

GOW3 ---UNRIVALLED

KZ2---THE BADDEST AND THE BIGGEST FPS OF THIS GEN

RESISTANCE 2---UNRIVALLED

MOTORSTORM 2---THE BEST OFFROAD RACING GAME

WKS ---2nd BIGGEST RPG OF THIS ERA

WAR DEVIL ---TOTAL INNOVATION like the AI of UNCHARTED

LA NOIRE ---WOULD REDEFINE GAMING

HEAVY RAIN --FULL FLEDGED AND TRUE NEXT GEN INTERACTIVE GAME

LBP

GETAWAY 3

8 DAYS

AFRIKA -----------------do i go on

HEAVENLY SWORD 2 --THE CONTENDER for GOW3's glory

UNCHARTED 2 ----UNRIVALLED

PS3 has all the games of X360 but better

FF13,MGS4,GT5 are the biggest games of this era

GT5 makes Forza 2/PGR4 look like wii games

[Account deleted]

well listed
well actually i am drunk now so i don't really now but good work

[sak500]

@ 6.4 Turd oops sorry tanod

And you're the biggest blindest bat, sony droid, lemming , fanboi of all.

[jack who]

some heavy hitters like Burnout Paradise

[supermandead666]

Only retard would consider buying the 3FIXME BOX.

[PS3n360]

was the "a" too big a word for you to use? and you call other people retards. I bought a PS3 and have now confirmed it is a waste of money. I seriously dont know what you fanboys are on about, the games on 360 are both better and more plentiful. I would love to see a must have title so I could justify this bluray player. I played uncharted and it is an awsome game but very little replay value there so I sold it. now I have only one game and I dont think i will be ejecting COD4 on the 360 for a few months. All multiplats are gonna be on my 360 and only exclusive PS3 games if they ever get released will make it to my PS3 if i dont sell it on craigslist first.

[ravinash]

Persinally I enjoys PS3s line up more, but first and foremost I'm a gamer. If someone makes a good game, then buy it.

[TwissT]

I love these commercials.

[Xbox is the BEST]

Hopes and Dreams

[rukusa]

...along with more xbots starting to feel a bit more jealous at the PS3 crowd.

in b4 denying it. lol

[rukusa]

Hey of course xbots will think everything promoted by Sony is stupid. Cause hey, otherwise you have to be jealous of what you dont have, amirite?

[Mr Tretton]

Well that's fanboism in a nutshell. Insecurity. People who secretly wish they had the other console as well and can't afford it, so they bash and hope the other fails, because they don't want to be missing out on something they can't afford.

Show me someone who can afford all 3 systems, and I'll show you an unbiased person who is enjoying themselves. Show me an insecure person with one console, I'll show you a fanboi. Then, a person with one console and a good attitude, not a fanboi...and enjoying themselves.

And no, I'm not talking about just 360 owners. The Wii and PS3 fanboism is ridiculous here also. (although in my observation, 360 fanboism is the worst and the most widespread.)

And particularly on this site. Xbot fanboism and attempts at creating flamefests are started on a daily basis here. What is you people's problem? Are you that insecure? Are you the much of a trollish human being? Are you that broke?

Grow up.
And spend your time playing your godsent 360 that you are so loyal to instead of talking about and looking up articles on PS3 to start crap. You are so obviously jealous. And that goes to some of you others with other consoles.

I own only a PS3.

I rarely look at articles on 360 or Wii. I don't need to. And they don't need my comments.

/end rant

[lodossrage]

I hardly ever comment in 360 or hd dvd articles for that same reason. Unless it interest me of course. Like lost oddessey. When it comes to that game I do comment on occasion because it was one of the only games I actually wanted on 360.

It does get tiresome when people that don't even HAVE a console like to attempt to find articles just to try to make the console look bad. There are quite a few of them but I won't mention any names

[Mu5afir]

They are getting better at it.

[sonyfanonly]

YOU CANT ARGUE WITH A XFAG THEY ARE STUPID THEY ONLY REACHED 4TH GRADE IN SCHOOL BEFORE DROPPING OUT TO PLAY GALO ITS SAD REALLY SONY HAS BEEN IN THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY FOR 15 YEARS AND JUST BECAUSE A NEW CHALLENGER STEPS INTO THE RING WITH SONY THE XTARDS SIDES WITH THEM AND ALWAYS BASHES THE PLAYSTATION BRAND ITS PITIFUL AND ITS NOT WORTH SAYING ANYTHING OVER ANYMORE

[Mr Tretton]

Hi, Xbot in disguise (I sure hope you are)

[CrazzyMan]

Sony really should just show user made vids. They are FAR better.

I personally for 2008 will include only MGS4, KZ2, GT5, LBP, FFXIII - and that would be OWNAGE.

But, maybe their ads just appeal to casuals..

[BachelorBrit]

*Sigh* Am I the only one bored of the constant console bashing on the boards?

Anyway 2008 looks to be a great year for Playstation 3 owners, I hear the console "has no games" a lot funny that because there are so many games I want to get for Playstation 3 I can hardly afford them all.

With Grand Theft Auto IV, Metal Gear Solid 4, Silent Hill V (possibly), Killzone 2 next year is going to be awesome. Although seriously when Grand Theft Auto IV finally releases I doubt I will be playing anything else for AGES.

[Maddens Raiders]

I was just taking a break from some marathon WarHawk wig-splitting. I must say dayum, because TANOD - you outdid yourself with #6.4.
I wasn't even going to comment, but that post was just fuccin' Nuclear. I thought my monitor was going to explode or invoke spirits or something.

That was Epic. Rock on.

P.S. - I love my PS3's & all of that *wonderful 3rd party support! 8D

[hardcorehippiez]

was impatient waiting for the ps3 release so said why not ( im a gamer not a fanboy )got 3 games tenchu gears and forza . i liked them yes as it was a step above the ps2 which was a system i loved . initially got the ps3 as a blu ray player because with being in the studio recording a lot i didnt have much time for gaming (never went gold with xbox 360 for same reason).got 3 games at launch with ps3 cod3 resistance and motorstorm. all 3 of these games stood up with anything id already played on the xbox. over the past year i have noticed the quality of games are getting better for both systems but the ps3 is starting to outshine the 360.my xbox now has since rrod on me but to be honest the more im seeing of the ps3 the less i care for the 360.yes i am a sony fan i like their games - and after what was the success of their previous 2 consoles i dont get how people can think this will be any less a success.seems to me that xbots will say anything to bring down ps3. all i can say to maybe 1st time buyers is dont be suckered into buying a system that has a defective rate like xbox has , it has good games but system is truly junk.anyway 3rd party support is getting stronger and from mid 2008 onward i doubt it will even be an issue, but to be honest i think most people bought a sony system to play 1st and 2nd party games on it not gonna list them you being a sony fan like myself will know what is coming .you maddens seem to be one of the few level headed ps3 fans in here and bring up some good valid points so have a bubble as it seems your dropping the past while . happy christmas and happy gaming !!!!

[Xbox is the BEST]

Hopes and Dreams

[rukusa]

Hopes and dreams eh? you mean like MGS4 coming to the 360. Yeah man totally true.

[Zool 08]

Is that all you can say?

You sound dumber than Fart (at least he explains even though without success why he hates sony). Come out with something more original, or are you too stupid to speak?

[HarryEtTubMan]

GUYS I just got my PS3 TODAY!!! and have been playing it all day!! I got Warhawk( WOWHAWK) UT3( freaking Awesome!) Resistance and Motorstorm!!! Lets pwn some noobs on UT3, Warhawk and Resistance... I'm gonna make another PSN ID but for now its.... LloydChristmas1

LloydChristmas1

UT3 is sooo good!

[Xbox is the BEST]

thougth you claimed that you got your PS#3 on Black Friday?

[Shenzilbur]

Wonderful. More PS3s online makes the internet a better place. More people on Warhawk is always a good thing.
PSN ID: TFX-Razor

[TheDynamo]

Look guys, I notice that you like to bust The Mart and Bloodmask's balls all the time, but understand that this so-called "war" is all in fun. Stop taking it all so seriously.

The Sony Playstation 3 is going to have a great 2008. There's no doubt about that. But to assume that Microsoft and Nintendo will just sit back and allow them to gain more Market Share is a joke. You KNOW that they'll do whatever it takes to combat the strong titles from Sony.

In my opinion, The Mart and Bloodmask are the only ones on this site that have passion along with facts to back it up. The bulk of you Sony Fanboys just spew fanatical garbage that doesn't quite add up. ESPECIALLY TANOD. Oh my God. If you Sony Fanboys want him on your team, feel free.

The facts are:
XBOX360 has a 7 million console lead right now.
One of the first heavy hitters for the Playstation 3 is Killzone 2.
Killzone 2 will NOT move consoles. It's not mainstream enough. Sorry.
Haze has been delayed.
Little Big Planet (a real console mover) has been delayed.
Metal Gear Solid will move consoles, but not as many as you fanboys think. A stealth game is not mainstream enough. Sorry again.

At the end of 2008, Sony will still be behind the XBOX360 by 7 million consoles. Just watch. Because the one thing that Sony can't deal with is a MAJOR price drop from Microsoft. That would be a AAA Title KILLER. In addition, Microsoft has a strong list of titles of its own. You don't think Halo Wars will garner buzz just from the name alone? And you don't think that Microsoft is going advertise HEAVILY that the downloadable content for GTA4 is on the XBOX360?

One last thing, if Metal Gear Solid doesn't move TONS of software in that first week. That will be trouble for Sony. That game had better move a million right out the gate.

If not, what will that do for the rest of the so-called Heavy Hitters for 2008?

And what if Gears of War 2 actually DOES unveil for Christmas 2008?

Do you honestly think ANY Sony title can compete? Just a thought.

Good luck guys...

[Shenzilbur]

I don't know mate. I mean I don't have any lovely big sales numbers to bring up because quite frankly I don't care enough to get them. But I do have my own thoughts. I'd say the PS3 will grow in sales just from what i've heard from people. Like I said this isn't official stuff from Sony (but I can easily ask as there is a member of Sony NZ in my house) but i'm just looking at trends.

I've asked a number of people I know have an interest in games in my community about their consoles. Of course when it comes to next-gen the 360 outnumbered the PS3. But the vast majority of people own PS2s. Out of every person I asked who have PS2s every single one (And I mean every) said they have plans or are saving up to get a PS3. In my country they aren't too cheap either (NZ$800 for a 40GB without games) so it seems most people here are slowly saving money for the PS3.

From what i've also seen is there are a number of people over here who know very little about what's coming up but once I shown them Killzone 2 (Killzone is fairly popular over here) they were stunned. Along with the mention of Final Fantasy XIII and MGS4 they became convinced that a PS3 is the way to go.

Like I said this is just random stuff not big numbers but a personal touch to this kind of stuff should be appreciated. I could however check out the *real* Sony sales over on another laptop which would also have Sony XD Cam, Bravia and Blu-Ray sales info on it but I can't really be bothered. So yeah, by next year most people would have saved up or made their decisions over the IPs they are very farmiliar with. This will probably mean the PS3 will overtake the 360 over here, but I don't know.

Off topic: Is it just me or are those bloody comments in capslock annoying or what? Please, capslock is very hard to read just avoid it.

[no_more_heroes]

2009 is my year to buy a ps3.

[Xbox is the BEST]

it reaches $129

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Great, another please buy me attempt.

[SIX]

I really love my PS3.

[eagle21]

ftw!

[Maddens Raiders]

Do you really think 7 million lousy consoles is a lot to Sony? Listen to yourself think before you say stupid things on the internet son. Market share is the answer to your so called "lead". The loss of market share can dramatically effect the course of this "lead". The more you give up, the smaller the number of people influenced in buying the product and obviously the end of those people buying the product there altogether, thus making it sell at a slow rate. So the other company's console sales go at a much faster rate. Of course there's a lead because the 3fixme laucnhed 2 years ago. But it was too early; & you will replace the 360 in '09 and fleece your faithful once again.: Fatal Flaw #1

-- "And what if Gears of War 2 actually DOES unveil for Christmas 2008?

Do you honestly think ANY Sony title can compete? Just a thought." --

Here's a thought - of course there are games than will compete with this game and I for one believe the *only way it can improve is by imitating or trying to one up KILLZONE II. GOW was XBox360's zenith (in graphics) and nothing else has gone there since. It will have to go through a massive overhaul to match the mayhem on screen I've seen and know will be in KZII. It's tired now, familiar; almost pedestrian. There's no way it will match that game, because KILLZONE II has defied the odds and made what most thought was impossible, a reality, and because the 360 does not have the CELLBBE nor a Blu-Ray gaming format. Microsoft was left with egg on their face after KILLZONE II b*tch slapped the crowd and all the doubters at EEE3 '07. In fact, it's makers back HD-DVD, which is losing in some areas of the world by as much as 20:1.: Fatal Flaw #2

You underestimated Sony and your public and effectively killed the XBox (games) and basically wiped out bac-compat. You beLIEve that a console's best cycle is every 4 years. So, guys get ready to shell out more money for more *rrod which sadly I know you'll do in 2009. Fatal Flaw #3

-- "One last thing, if Metal Gear Solid doesn't move TONS of software in that first week. That will be trouble for Sony. That game had better move a million right out the gate." --

What are you a damn company comptroller? Give me a break. Sony knows exactly what they're doing and I guarantee that you don't. You're in a game forum doubting a company that has served *millions of consoles to the people of the world for decades. Do you believe Hideo and Sony (probably with Ken in the shadows) are not orchestrating a great marketing campaign to present to the ad guys? I like what I see from Sony right now. Good things are happening. Stop fooling yourself. Don't fight it, just game and live in peace and drink Coke. Take care.

I'm sorry, your comment=FAIL

[sak500]

@ Maddens "Sony knows exactly what they're doing and I guarantee that you don't"

LOL, if they know what they're doing then why are they running around like headless chicken and doing the following:

Making new skus, dropping price / increasing price, weird ads, BC removed, added rumble, fired chief architect of ps2/ps3, adding BD movies in bundle instead of games, giving ps3 free with bravia, still dependent on resistence and motorstorm from one year back, devs jumping ship, gimped divx support, bad ports, hardly any games getting released on time, not paying for exclusivity etc etc etc.

Hmmm they sure know how to go about winning the console war.

[DJ]

"I'm mad that Sony created a $399 SKU that increased worldwide sales by 400%. How dare Ken Kutaragi retire at the age of 59 after creating the best hardware he's ever design. Oh, and don't even get me started on using a successful Next-gen disc format; I can't believe Sony dared to give their developers more then 8GBs of room to work with. It's all about double and triple compression baby!

Oh, and while I'm here I might as well whine about great features that the 360 doesn't even have, like Divx Certification and motion sensing WITH rumble. -scoff- Motion Sensing. Since when has that been fun to use. And NOOOO, the Wii doesn't count. *hmph*"

[Gladiator7]

PS3 have Awesome Games and Blu-ray Player
the bluray format Dominant right now.

and the games is very awesome..

Metal Gear Solid 4
Gran Turismo 5
Final Fantasy 13 + V13
Tekken 6
LittleBigPlanet
Killzone 2
L.A. Noire
The Agency
Coded Arms: Assault
Eight Days
FIA World Touring Car Championship
The Getaway 3
Ni-Oh
Red Dead Revolver 2
Heavy Rain
Infamous
White Knight Chronicles
Haze

3 games from Rockstar
3 from NamcoBanadi
and more game from SCEA, free online, HOME and more.

remember ps3 is the SONY console.

[vloeistof]

ps3 ftw

[mesh1]

hahaha the ps3 fans have something to be angry about as u can see from these made up plz buy me threads ps3 wil never see my money until 2009/2010 when it dirt cheap 3rd partys support for this game WILL BOMB 2008 fACT

[QuackPot]

Was told so by a Sony Store staffer in NZ.

Yes rumour. Don't know how credible he was but he didn't hesitate to confirm the only SKU for NZ is the 40G with 60G SKU being run out and to wait for 120G SKU 2008.

Hmmmmm? Combined with the imminent flood of AAA games, the two SKU policy(cheap & expensive), improving PSN, growing install base, then things are looking good for the Ps3.

[TunakTunakTun]

Afrika
Buzz! Quiz TV
Coded Arms Assault
Disgaea 3
Eight Days
Eye of Judgement
EyeDentify
Final Fantasy XIII
Final Fantasy Versus XIII
Folklore
Formula One Championship Edition
God of War 3
Gran Turismo 5
Gran Turismo 5 Prolouge
Haze
Heavenly Sword
Heavy Rain
Hot Shots Golf 5
inFAMOUS
Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier
Killzone 2
L.A. Noire
LittleBigPlanet
Metal Gear Online
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Motorstorm
Motorstorm 2
Ninja Gaiden Sigma
Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction
Resistance: Fall of Man
Resistance 2: Rise of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Singstar
SOCOM Confrontation
Tekken 6
The Agency
The Getaway
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune
Unreal Tournament III
Valkyrie of the Battlefield
Wardevil
Warhawk
White Knight Chronicles
Yakuza 3

Calling All Cars!
Dark Mist
Echocrome
Everyday Shooter
flOw
Pain
Super Stardust
Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection Online
Wipeout HD

Blu-Ray
Cell
Free Online Play
HOME
PS Eye
Reliable System
Remote Connection
Sixaxis
Wi-Fi

Only on Playstation 3

P L A Y B 3 Y O N D

[Coke-a-Cola]

I must say it has been a tough year for PS3 and I admit it was the most expensive paperweight I have ever owned . But the tide has shifted and I am glad I hung in there. ........the BLACK BEAUTY is finally coming into its own . No more will I get hot under the collar listening the posturing likes of MART and his contemporaries. This solid feeling of having made the correct choice sits firmly in Place .

It took all my strength not to buy a 360 to play Bioshock. but with all the wonderful games now coming to Sony I will have way to Much action on My Playstation to worry about anything else.

[Matpan]

you all people like to speak out figures...

but the truth, at the end of the day is that nintendo has the biggest c0ck :P

they are cashing in like there´s no tomorrow... they outsold both ps and 360 combined in almost every single region...

You can rant about it, call it not truly next gen, get picky on the controller mechanics or how much it truly has to offer... but it really sells more... MUCH more than it´s competitors...

And you know why? because the know how to make games that have something many of this so called next gen games don´t have: heart and shine of htir own.

Granted, next gen is gorgeous looking and tremendously more complex in gaming mechanics than what gaming was years ago...

But as the new consoles add more complex control schemes and actions in games, nintendo found that there is a different way of achieving this.

And while wii may not blow out your minds just look out for nintendo´s next move. Because all this cash they are making solely by sending out to the world some NEW approach to gaming gives them the edge for the next step.

Nintendo´s next console will surelly combine the refined control mechanincs of the wii (and surely better and new ones) with (for sure) up to date graphics for the time (let´s call it 2011 to give some more room to this next gen). And that´s when we will see nintendo capitalyzing on this so questioned but so good selling move they made.

anyways... It was high time sony got good 3rd party support. And there was no doubt at all in the success of the PS3 as a gaming console given it´s huge predecessorm the PS2.
So yes, sony will do great in the next four years, big news whooo! why did anyone ever doubted this? Sony has invested TOO much money so far. Loosing BIG $$ with price drops and still loosing due to not so high software selling rates /which will revert, but sony did get a good blow for it´s not so good first year)

Only this time Sony will have to share a little bit more of the cake, maybe a little too much more. Because nintendo is gettin BIG again, and MS will surely learn it´s final lesson on this gen... And surely will strike with everything it has with the 720. Not to mention wii and 360 have a lifespan as optimist as the PS3 maybe a little bit shorter, but in time to welcome the next gen with good profits.

[bung tickler]

more money was acctually spent on the 360 than anyother system out there. so if you want to talk about bringing in the cash nintendo is NOT the leader there they simply sold the most systems but they dint sell the most game or most acessories. just think 50% of EA's money was made off just the 360 last year. im not saying one system is better than another buy if you want to talk cash consumers overwhelmingly voted for the 360 with thier wallets and thats what really matters most to 3rd party devs. so unless nintendo can get people to buy games for thier system too you can expect the wii to go the way of the gamecube. no system can live without 3rd party support.

[hok_22]

PS3 GONNA OWN THE YEAR 2008 THE GAMES LIKE MGS4 GT5 GTA4 LBP HAZE FF13 AND VERSUS MAN IM GONNA BE HOOKED TO PS3

MY 360 IS GONNA GET SOME DIRT IN 2008 OH WAIT THERE IS ALAN WAKE AND GEARS OF WAR 2 CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE

[DFresh]

You guys call yourself gamers
and
you still don't know where the future is going it's towards the PS3.
Hate all you want it's the truth.
Can MS really make a game like Killzone 2 or even Heavenly Sword on an Xbox 360? hell no
From 2008 and on Sony rules the gaming world.
They have already won in two wars already the format and hand held war.
Now it comes down to the PS3 winning the console war.
After looking at those victories Sony can concentrate on the console war by 1000% now.
Get ready for the biggest game show down and come back in history and it starts with the PS3 winning in 2008.

[DJ]

nearly identical advertisements early next year for their system. 360 sales aren't all that great, so they're bound to try anything. On top of that, they're notorious for stealing competitors' ideas.

[tplarkin7]

I went to Best Buy yesterday. There were 2 large stacks of PS3s, a few Arcade 360s, 1 Halo 360, no Wiis.

There were no Premium or Elite 360s and a guy was walking around with the second-to-last Halo 360.

[Splitz]

Wow! Maybe they got a PS3 delivery yesterday, who knows.

I know one thing though, 2008 is Sony's year!

[vloeistof]

at above and wen i go to store here there are no ps3 and a lot of 360

[TheMART]

Yeah it seems that retailers have dropped the PS3 from their shelves when it seems it has the same path as the Gamecube had.

You would lie just because you're a PS3 fangirl. Stop trying to twist reality

[FungLip]

Hi, so when there's no PS3 left, the stores dropped it; okay. And when there are lots of PS3, nobody is buying them; right? Your brain is messed up.

[Blademask]

Everyone was hooked on "justifying" the purchase of the ps3. Well now you have:

Uncharted, Ratchet, Cod4, Heavenly Sword, Ut3 to keep your ps3 warm this holiday. Yes the other systems have more games, but that has nothing to do with a sytem thats been out only one year. The 360 will always have 'more' games numerically. Until it starts to slow like the original Xbox. Thats $300.00 of games right there, and I seriously doubt anyone is buying more than that in 1 month for one system.[Unless you are me]

Devs are learning the PS3, and now we have even great EA titles. The team that did Burnout should be responsible for all EA development now. The one thing the list of earlier games showed is that its definitely not the PS3 thats lacking. Its the developers.

Multiplats are back to the way they always were. Identical to the non pause, zoom in 90x user. You know, the guy who isn't even going to buy the game on either console in the first place. DMC/COD4/Burnout are wonderful examples of this new trend.

The gap in power hasn't closed, it was busted open with Uncharted/GT5p. Uncharted more so, since its out. I do believe its the 360's move to show us all that it can make a game that looks Better if not Equal to Uncharted. So far, Mass Effect and Halo don't fit that bill. You can think so, but the reviewers that everyone on th is site holds in such high esteem don't. Uncharted is the best looking game out this year. On top of that, it plays well too. Gears looked fine for when it came out, but look at it now compared to UT3. UT3 stomps all over it, and Uncharted Stomps all over UT3.

So now the competition is actually worthy of battling.

Both Systems have Great Multiplats.
Both Systems have Great Exclusives.
The 360 wins as far as Online Content/Experience goes. But MS needs to make the service free.
Sony wins design. Everything in 1 box. HDD/Wifi/Sdcards/Bluray-Player .
Sony needs to come out with home if it really wants to stir things up. PSN is a joke.

[AnimeRaven]

All three systems will do well in 08. I will say this Sony does have the best line-up for 2008 so far. The Wii has 3-4 big titles. 360 have about 10 really good ones. Almost all the big titles on the PS3 I will own next year. If Gears 2 comes out next year I will have that too. As far a Fable goes it was the best and shortest game I have played. I don't look forward to Fable 2 at all. Will it be worth $60 I don't think so. I feel that same way about Heavenly Sword. Breath taking game but way to short. I personally think Folklore beat that one.

Next year my wife gets her own PS3 so she will leave mine alone. LBP will rule her life for along time lol. But she will get it when HAZE comes out in Jan. Co-op ftw! Depending on how my 6 year old does with the Wii I might upgrade her as well. I recently upgraded her DS to a PSP.

There are games coming out in 2008 that will sell really well.

FFXIII
GT5
MGS4
LBP
KillZone2
Super Smash Brothers (good thing they made it playable with GC controler or that would have sucked)
Halo Wars (for the Halo nuts)

IF RELEASED ( I put them under the IF for the just incase factor )

Motostorm 2
Resistance 2
GOW 3
Gears 2
WKS (omg I so want this more than FFXIII)

And I am sure there there are a few sleeper hits out there as well.

[sephy 9 2 5]

The PS3 has more proven IPs going into 2008. Similar to the 360's 07 line-up. We've seen what happens when you hype up new IPs like Blue Dragon, HS, Jericho, LO, Lair, etc.

[Prototype]

I can already predict whats gonna happen during 2008;

"OMG "x" game didn't sell!!!!! NPD charts says so!!!!! HA HA HA another nail in the coffin for "y" system!!!!! This is why i chose "y" system with "x" games and it sold "z" consoles for the week!!!!"

And about 50+ comments on 360 being more powerful than the PS3 because of Halo 3 or some other game that is over-argued (despite the countless walls of used copies for sale).

Now for the reality:

A lot of the games comming for PS3 do "look" good; however only a handful I'm really gonna buy; the rest is gonna be "rented" just in case they don't live up to the hype.

After the Assassins Creed fiasco I've learned my lesson on buying a game before trying it out; yes charts can show high sales numbers, however my personal opinion - the game was garbage from the beginning and towards the end; didn't deliver what was hyped. This is with ALL games/consoles not just one.

Uncharted was a really good game even on the demo, I was able to complete it and plan on playing it again.

Ratchet and Clank Future is also another game I liked and it was my first time ever playing any of the games.

Call of Duty 4 was by far the best first person shooter I've played since Rainbow Six Vegas, Resistance, and Goldeneye 64.

What would help consumers is have some type of demo or game play videos on that console to give players some sort of feel on what to expect; don't just show the action scenes or movies either to make it "look" good.

And I will say again; until I'm convinced on owning more than one home console I'm sticking to what I've bought back in April 2007, the PS3. So far the system hasn't let me down as a gamer. I'm sure some 360 fanboys are gonna argue and have some lame comment like "hope you like pushed back games" or "wow you must like washed-down ports."

[zonetrooper5]

Please do it fanboys....

[forget_123]

Although i want a ps3 badly but since i still have shix load of games need to complete on my ps2 .. i have to take time to finish them.. = =...

I have read so many of the post in this site for a while already..

All the xbox guys usually saying how great the xbox 360 game library and attach rate..etc...

for me.. when i saw those news.. its just a laugh... because it all look too funny to me.

I am not a fanboy for whatever consol i dont care.

I just play the game i like, that's all.

When i over view the xbox360 game library... what do they have??? all their system seller game is FPS which is what i hated the most, and personally i just feel FPS is the most stupid type of game for me (this is my personal thing , no offense to anyone)

so .. without FPS , there is almost nothing for me to play on xbox360.

attach rate?? i dont care that, in my point of view, why need a lot of game when one or two game is already able to play for long time. ONLY when game are "finished" or not more attractive to me, then i will go for new games. higher attach rate has positive side saying this console selling a lot of games, but have negative saying... this console's game are easily bored .... so u need more game to kill ur time. to use your consol...

at least.. that works for me. If one game like WOW from blizzard killed all my time where the hell i have time to play other games ?? anyone think so ? that's an example , (i stopped wow already :P so time for ps2)

and by looking at the coming year line up.. i totally on the ps3 side because there are simply more amazing games i want over there... xbox ??? i see nothing will move me to go for it .

for system reliability... my ps2 played at least 8 hrs a day for 3 non stop year (believe? lol) then 3 hr a day for another 3 year... nothing ever goes wrong even a tiny bit... thus the quality of consol i have the trust on sony.

xbox 360 overheat problem get solved??? who knows... just too much poor quality report i have seen for xbox 360... go no mood to even try to risk my money on it already...

hd-dvd extra ? i rather save my money for few other things... online fee ??? i prefer pay on something else , online accees i can basically use my computer why should i pay for it when i am not even gaming xbox360 ? no matter how "less" the $$ it is, it's a cheating..

just dont feel this makes me happy gaming .

more and more things just makes me have no interest to buy 360 and all my friend feels the same.

i know some guys gave it a try and ya.. their box360 burned down.. lol ..

well..

just some thoughts of myself after viewing sooooo many posts in this site...

what's wrong people, calm down, who wins the war is not what our "words" can change, their selling numbers not our "words" can change..

just do whatever u want play whatever u like, few years later , history will tell us who's the winner.

Just play the game u want man~

:P time to back to my ps2 game mountain.

[FungLip]

Littlebigplanet will be a freakin killer app that rivals the great Mario.

[Gorgon]

Just bought one. Fresh from unpacking, haven´t even turned it on...

:D

[Sevir04]

enjoy cutting egde Games, beautiful Movies and free online ^^ whenyou get your PSn let me know

PSN: SEVIREDgamer

[Gorgon]

Thanks Sevir.

[Salvadore]

these advertisement are awesome.. especially the song.