EDGE: Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D looks better than the HD version

EDGE magazine claims that the HD version of MGS: Snake Eater (in the collection) doesn't look as good as the 3DS port.

[Optical_Matrix]

The polish is greater on the HD ports being at a higher resolution and with better aliasing. However they probably mean certain things in the 3DS version have been done better because, despite what some people say, MGS 3D is actually a remake, not a port. That said, I tried the demo and I still can't stand using the face buttons for the camera, so I'll wait for the HD Collection to his PS Vita.

[RedDead]

3D...better textures and graphics, HD is just higher res, it's personal preference here. Due you want smooth or looks
Honestly I'd prolly choose the HD version. Sticks etc

Yeah same baka, i'd prefer the smooth to the better ...other stuff, Jaggies can really ruin stuff, plus it's on a tiny screen. BUT...3d version also has MGS4's combat mechanics or something doesn't it? Although it doesn't have an extra stick..

[Baka-akaB]

in this case i prefer smooth , along other mgs titles and the better default controls .

The original was already great looking enough and "only" needing the hd treatment

[Hisiru]

I don't know. I want the HD collection because it has trophies for Metal Gear Solid 2, 3 and probably peace walker (I am in love with the trophy system, I don't care about the HD graphics), but I also want the 3D experience and I already finished Metal Gear Solid 2 and Peace Walker, so it's a hard decision for me.

[Diver]

record video from the HD versions then display it on a DS size screen and it looks mind blowing. now blow up the 3ds version on a 55 inch screen and you'll bite your own eyes out.

[Hisiru]

@Diver
Why would you be stupid enough to do something like that? Why would I play the 3DS version (portable version) on a HDTV and play the console version on a portable?

Doesn't make any sense. The article is comparing both games as they are originaly played.

[morganfell]

I believe you are missing Diver's point. Small screens can be deceptive as regards visual quality.

[Darkfocus]

Having played the demo earlier today I'd have to say it actually looks worse than the ps2 version...it looks nothing like the videos they showed off a while ago and it has framerate problems too... the textures are horrible because it has no anistropic filtering at all they stay a blurry mess until their right at your feet...and jaggies jaggies everywhere...RE revelations is a much better graphical showcase for 3DS...

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I want the version I can play on a big HD screen with a full controller. Worrying about a jagged edge here and there or possibly slightly smoother textures in a last generation game is nitpicking at best.

[badz149]

but I play my MGS collection all in 3D too on my PS3 and 51" plasma! maybe not native, but still in 3D!

[Kevin ButIer]

Who cares... as long as I can play this masterpiece in my hdtv or in the bus... who cares

[hay]

I prefer both. MGS collection is 3D ready, and can be played on PS3. Win-win.

[MaxXAttaxX]

Side by side the HD versions(in HD resolution) it would not look as good.

[Darkfocus]

you can use the circle pad pro for the camera if you've got one.

[nikola987]

They should have added option to aim using gyroscope or with stylus like in DS era.

[SilentNegotiator]

Spend more money to make the system less portable and worry about a SECONDARY battery (supposed 480 hours or not (Probably only in tests conducted with a AAA battery crafted in gold by GOD), it's a second battery to worry about)? No thanks. They should have had a second circle pad just like the psp should have. Capping your system's potential (for STANDARDIZED good controls that don't compromise for those using the lesser controls) with a mistake that was made LAST generation? Not good.

And minor improvements to everything but the most important thing (control) and headache inducing 3D.....or THREE MGS games in HD, with trophies, and with better controls? Hmmm....that's a tough one. Not.

[blumatt]

Yeah, Nintendo really should have learned from the mistake Sony made with the PSP not having a second analog stick. But, alas, they came out with an add-on that itself needs its own power source. Just bad foresight and not learning from the competitor's mistakes (Sony). Oh well though.

[CarlitoBrigante]

I'll go for the PS3 version

5 games for the price of 1 3DS game, yeah great deal! Plus trophies too and the PlayStation controller everybody is used to.

[Colwyn]

LOL.i love the hypocrisy among the people on this site.

i dont even have to see the 3ds version to know that the hd versions of mgs 3 are the superior versions.such blatantly sensational headline from edge wont get mass admonishment but if "the hip hop gamer " had said this, people would be preparing kerosene oil to burn his house down and stone him.

to each his own but edge is rubbish. theyll give high score ratings to rubbish games and mark down scores for high quality hd console releases almost as if its done purposely to insite a mob.

ohh yeah, colleen doesnt mind disagrees because most things spoken of are facts or based in facts but can conjure up anger in fanatics. 3ds is an unfinished system and is seen as a waste of time to me because the vita can do everything better.

[Kingdom Come]

I don't even read your comments anymore, you're the biggest Sony Fanboy on this site. I actually remember you naming the next generation "PS4ever". Regardless of whether EDGE are right or wrong, you're comments are innevitably going to be in denial of anything Playstation Negative. That's what I love about being a multiple console owner, I can agree to the negatives and positives of each console whilst admittedly having one I divide more of my gaming time towards, where as fanboys, as they haven't purchased the other console, they are in denial of it's positive attributes...

"edge is rubbish. theyll give high score ratings to rubbish games and mark down scores for high quality hd console releases almost as if its done purposely to insite a mob."

So, I guess you didn't agree with te 9/10 for Uncharted 3, and as for this months issue (I subscribe to Edge):

Star Wars: The Old Republic - 8
Uncharted: Golden Abyss - 7
The Darkness II - 7
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning - 6
Never Dead - 7
Metal Gear Solid 3D: Snake Eater - 8
Haunt - 5

The majority of those reviews, to me, seem more than fair.

[Baka-akaB]

don't bother ... his ilk shame all decent ps fans with his inanity .

He's the kind of fool that was trolling soulCalibur V "because he'd rather wait for god of War 4" .

You just can't win against that

[Knushwood Butt]

Never Dead??

[Kingdom Come]

@ Knushwood

Hence why I said, "The Majority", and not the entirety. Although, Never Dead's reviews have been extremely mixed, many consider the game to be horrendous, whilst others, despite it's flaws, praise the title for it's originality in certain aspects and it's intriguing concept. Also, the game wasn't subject to hype, or at least a vast amount, making the game less likely to be considered a disappointment or for it to fall short of expectations, like many have considered Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning to do despite many others finding the game to be a fantastic and brilliantlly executed experience... I mean are you really going to call them terrible reviewers for being harsh and for your disagreement with one score?

@ Baka
Precisely, "gamers" (and I use that term loosely for trolls such as them) like Colwyn give a bad name to the industry, they belittle other titles due to their desperation for their exclusives to be the superior title. And on occasions they aren't, they refuse to believe it and persist in their unnecessary and pointless defense of the title, despite them recieving no reward or respect for doing so...

[Abriael]

@kingdom come:

Star Wars: The Old Republic - 8 - too low
Uncharted: Golden Abyss - 7 - WAY too low
The Darkness II - 7 - too low
Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning - 6 - WAY too low
Never Dead - 7 - too high
Metal Gear Solid 3D: Snake Eater - 8 - too high
Haunt - 5 - Didn't try it.

As usual Edge's scores are all over the place, as their editorial content and basically everything they write.

Being a subscriber of that trash isn't honestly something I'd boast about.

[BlindGuardian]

absolutley wrong

the demo on the 3DS is vastly inferior looking to the PS3 HD port

[StraightPath]

last comparison done yes the 3DS version was better..hd version just a port in higher res..

[Knushwood Butt]

For all the people saying this is a remake, could someone point out all the changes please?

[TheDivine]

Only thing i noticed in the demo is 3d, aiming like peace walker (4 dots like a crosshair), Crouch walking, some gyro stuff here and there, inventory mapped to touchscreen, seemed to have some new art and thats about it. I only played the demo but the game seemed to be pretty much the same except for a few new mechanics from peace walker. I was hoping for a real remake where it had some new areas, enemies, new online maps or some other cool additions for fans of the game. Its awesome but if you just played it maybe wait or pass it up. Il get it cause mgs3 in 3d on the go rocks but i might wait till its 15 or 20 bucks.

[ozstar]

First Post is about Vita

[Abriael]

My what a failure Edge.

I had some hands on time at a Nintendo event a few days ago and the game looks good for a Nintendo 3DS game, but really, really bad overall. It was evidently created for a large screen, and it wasn't reworked enough for the small screen of the 3DS, and it really suffer from the low resolution.

Lemme tell you an interesting anecdote. During most of the event I pretty much igored MGS. There isn't much to preview in a remake, and I had The Last Story, Pandora's Tower and Kid Icarus to gets my hands on. Much more juicy titles.

Anyway, at the end I had some time left and I checked it out. I had noticed tat the journalists that tried it before me were making weird faces. I go check out both units that were running it, and they were both still in the very first map where you hate to find the backpack after parachuting. No one managed to find the damn backpack in three hours and a half.

I remembered about it, so I managed to find it, but it took me 15 minutes camming around to find that thing that was three pixels wide and green in between foliage.

I continued into the game and realized that playing it is a pain, because the models of basically everything of notice (enemies, drops and what not) were too small and lacked any kind of definition, so they blended into the jungle too much. in MGS 3D you'll not be the one sneaking. It'll be mostly the enemy sneaking on you, because you can't see them,

And let's not even get into the controls. The choice of controlling the camera with the ABXY buttons is the climax of a failure, probably the worst MGS game ever, control wise.

So no, Edge needs better glasses, and thick ones.

[Colwyn]

thank you for what seems like your honesty sir. most fanatics dont think and are quick to apologize for bad games or bad decisions made by their favourite game company.

[extermin8or]

3DS version is a remake HD version is a remastered port so I'd expect 3DS version to look better.....

[Kamikaze135]

Too bad it runs at a lower resolution, full of jaggies, has an inconsistent framerate, and doesn't control as smoothly on the 3DS. Btw, I'm very disappointed. I wanted to buy this game and have been looking forward to it ever since that awesome trailer shown when it was revealed. I'll probably get it anyway once the price goes down.

[smashcrashbash]

Yeah, they conveniently left out those facts.

[Venoxn4g]

there's a chance that final version will be smoother than demo.. I hope so :)

[Kamikaze135]

There isn't. People have already gotten their copy early and mentioned that the demo reflects the final build, unfortunately.

[ronin4life]

@kamikaze
I haven't heard anything of the sort, nor can I find such things being said.
The only place that I know that actually has a final build and is talking about it is edge. (And after checking MC, Nintendo Power, who gave it a 9.)
@venox
What do you mean by "smoother"? Frame rate or "jaggies"?

[ozstar]

Edge gave it an 8.
Thats all i need to know.

[Pozzle]

Wasn't the 3DS version a complete remake from the ground up? That probably explains why it looks a bit better, then.

[DeleteThisxx]

And the HD collection PLAYS better

[turgore]

EDGE is not a real reviewer. They are saying stuff only for hits.

[Kingdom Come]

That's an absolutely terrible accusation, EDGE are just critical, the majority of their reviews meet the games Metascore if not surpass it. This majority of this sites community only complain about EDGE when they don't give a PS3 exclusive top marks and I think that says more about the sites community rather than EDGE's reviews...

[Baka-akaB]

I do think that Edge is crap for whatever platform reviewed .

Imo they are inconsistant , quite illogical , and overplay they whole "we are some harsh elite" posture ,whenever it suits them , without much reasoning behind it .
I dont think that trashing games left and right , because it's a schtick , is that more honest than overrating them .

But it's true that some only complain because of some ps3 scores .

At least no one should argue that they are vastly superior to IGN . Edge might be posers , but at least their reviews arent full of gamefacts errors

[cheetah]

EDGE hate Sony.

[TopDudeMan]

Fission Mailed

[Hicken]

Sounds dangerous.

Edit: Bubbles up to devilhunterx et al.

[Lex_Dangerously]

Faggot

[devilhunterx]

!

[TheColbertinator]

?

Is someone there?

[Eamon]

I must be seeing things.

[wenaldy]

Just my imagination

[Eamon]

I played both versions. I have to say that indeed the 3DS version looks like it has been upgraded graphically.

If only it had the same level of anti-aliasing as the HD version.

But graphics is not the only difference. MGS3D has the crouch-walk from MGS4 and Peace Walker! No more having to crawl through grass in annoying first person view!

ALSO, it has the same third person shooting mechanics from Peace Walker! No longer having to aim in first person to accurately shoot at an enemy!

If only MGS3D had great anti-aliasing, it would definitely be the better version.

[NBT91]

I cant believe no one has even mentioned the story yet, its what made MGS3 such a great game in the first place.

Glad to hear the gameplay elements from MGS4 and P/W have made their way in. So it is basically a less smooth, but better looking overall version of MGS3?

[Kos-Mos]

Metal Gear Solid 2's story is better. Proof: Most people hate it because you havet o use your brain to understand to philisophy and depth to it; "Selection for Societal Sanity"

[Eamon]

Personally I liked MGS2's story more than MGS3's due to its huge depth in social and philosophical themes.

But MGS3 is still an amazing game. The CQC and enemy AI are really good. Not to mention, the huge emphasis on survival.

[despair]

For me its all about how I want to play the game, Snake Eater is not exactly a game I play in short bursts and I prefer a big screen and relaxing on my couch when playing it. Graphically though I think the 3ds version is pretty damn impressive, though the full price cost is a bit of a let down considering its not really a new game, no matter how much work was put into it.

[frankiebeans]

i said this when the game came out! they put it out quick just to make a quick buck because the name sells itself and they will need to recuperate the loses from the fake mgs game comming out later this year because nobody is going to buy that game compared to if it was a real mgs game. it would be really cool if they made a full fledged remake like they did with halo 1 but we can only dream :(

[Skateboard]

This is the best or the second best game in the Metal Gear Series, if you haven't played it then dammmmmmmmmmmmmm you are missing out on something special.

[mcstorm]

MGS 3 is the only MGS game I missed as I did not get a PS2 last gen so I can wait to get this for my 3DS. TBH I could not care less if the graphics look better on the 3ds version or the HD version as long as it plays well.

I find that is the biggest problem with people now a days they want the best looking games over game play. Where to me its all about game play. I still play games on my SNES, Amiga32, GameCube, Dreamcast and N64 because the games are fun to play because of the game play on them. Look at games like wcw nwo revenge vs WWE 12 yes the WWE 12 looks very nice but the old revenge game is still more fun to play.

Im not saying new games are not fun because that is not true as this gen has seen some of the best games ever made but I just dont get why people go on abut graphics so much as yes they look good but a good looking game dose not mean it is a good game.

[Ghost250]

my deal is why would anybody care. this is the same game we played 7 yrs ago, like the graphics honestly cant get any better than ps2 so why even bring this topic. just seems stupid to me

[Dannycr]

I didn't like the menu one bit. It was confusing. I wasn't able to equip just the Knife to kill the crocs. Spent a good amount of time trying just to do that, got fed up with it and just continued.

The Demo was, most likely, in EASY mode, so pointing and shooting was simple, but I would like to see how that works with more enemies in higher difficulties.

If I had to choose, I would choose the MGS HD Vita version cause it has 3 games and the Vita has 2 sticks, but this one is a good version too. 3D effects are nice, although switching to 1st person view was kind of disorienting (it switches from 3D to 2D when in 1st person view).

I already have the MGS HD collectors edition on my PS3, but I will probably buy both versions (3DS and Vita)

[bunfighterii]

Probably for the same reason that Peace Walker looks better on PSP than in the HD collection. It's made for the small screen. This is a remake.

[gypsygib]

What about controls though?

I can't understand why 3DS didn't launch with dual analogs.

[Ness-Psi]

I must have a perfectly made demo because i didn't notice any frame rate drops or many jaggies or much else, i thought it looked excellent for a handheld game and they managed to squeeze one big arse game on to a little cartridge.

I don't think its fair to put a handheld game against a full console game as it was never gonna be graphically better as the 3DS hardware isn't as powerful, but for what it is it does a mighty fine job.

[ronin4life]

A handheld games graphics are also made for that handhelds dedicated screen, so saying it would look awful "blown up" to a bigger screen size is kind of stupid.
And to be honest, I would assume a great looking game scaled down may actually end up looking worse with a smaller surface and fewer pixels to display it with if it wasn't meant for that size screen naturally.

[R1CAN617]

Ill take the full blown Remake with MGS4 features & 3D.

[Arnagrim]

I'm sure it looks great on the 3DS screen, it's very compact screen compared to the HD collections projecting onto larger, higher resolution screens.
If there's a way to get the display from the 3DS and output it to a TV screen I'd like to see if the statement holds true.

[Braid]

I'm sorry but that's practically impossible. I can relentlessly argue that as I have one irrefutably valid point for you here: the "anti-aliasing" in the HD remake makes hell a lot of difference, probably even more than you can imagine.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw how gorgeous Peace Walker looked on my LED TV, even though I beat that game on PSP long time ago. It looked like another game and that was only due to the implementation of anti-aliasing. As I own a good PC as well, I can't stand jittering graphics and crisp edges anymore. And when you look at it, the lack of AA sticks out like a sore thumb in the 3DS version.

You probably won't notice the lack of AA when the 3D effect is turned on though, but judging by the gameplay videos on Youtube, I can definitely tell you that it's not the worst problem with the 3DS version. Snake Eater 3DS suffers from low resolution as well, as textures look all muddy and washed up when compared to its HD counterpart.

If that's your conception of better, I don't know what else there is to say.

Edit:
Here you go, see for yourself: http://tinyurl.com/87wg8xl

[BubloZX]

I'll get the one with more games and more features. I can care less about graphics on an old game. If I wanted a beautiful looking game I'd get MGS4

[josephayal]

Looks like the NINTENDO 3DS is way more powerful than XBOX 360 and PS3

[BubloZX]

I lol'd at this.

[djslapdash]

MGS 3DS is promising to be a good game.

Having played the demo, the graphics do look impressive. The small screen does however make hard to spot things in the grass. That's why i think the grass moving and the noise it makes has been enchanced compared with the ps2 version.

The music and voice effects are top notch really immersive.

The one bad point of the demo however has to be the controls, they really take a long time to get used to. I had to spend about 5-10 minutes at the very start of the game just to figure out how to move and aim and also how to control the camera.

[DeadManMcCarthy]

err.. maybe because the 3d version has enhanced textures where as mgs hd is just higher res.

[theeg]

the free pc version (if you own the original ps2 game) on PCSX2 Emulator (version .9.9.5) is by far still the best.

my pc version is 1080p at 60 frames with high anti aliasing and zero jaggies

console "hd" is only 720p at variable below 60 with jaggies

1 min after my comment, lol.....some poser already disagreed, it is a FACT!

the pc version, that is free if you own the original looks WAY better than the 720p jaggie ps3 version or the 3ds version

freaking people, so jelly

[Pana]

I wish my eye sight was as poor as theirs. Perhaps they missed the rampant jaggies all 3DS games have especially when you ramp up the 3D slider.

[oldfriend86]

I kind of wish there was more promotion for this game. Most customers at my Gamestop, didn't even know it was coming out.

[Zephol]

The textures are so bad. Is not equal than God of war HD

[Denethor_II]

Stretch it out to 1280x720 and I think you'll have to revise a discrepancy in that title. That's not to say MGS3 doesn't look great because it does, but when you condense it down so small your eyes can be tricked.

[gypsygib]

Sorry, this comparison is like like comparing which ugly girl looks better, I love MGS3 (and MGS in general) but the game's graphics aren't why I play it because it's probably close to 10 years old soon. For a remake this isn't impressive and for a remaster it's decent but not game changing.

I have no respect for Edge, everything they do is some vain pathetic attempt to gain attention and have people talk about them.

Which is why you always see them give some crap game a great score and some great game a crap score every year. Edge has no integrity, they're attention whores.

I just hope mor people give this great game a playthrough or four or five.

[dragunrising]

Having played the demo, I was neither impressed nor disapointed by the graphics. They're functional. At times the jaggies are noticible however for the most part your too busy playing the game to care. The cut scenes were nice. Otherwise, it looks exactly like MGS3 when you turn the 3D effect off. The higher you turn the 3D on, the worse the jaggies. I ended up playing the demo with 3D off for the most part because the jaggies are so much more noticible. Its the same reason I turned off 3D for Resident Evil Revelations. The 3DS has to process and display the same image twice when you have 3D turned on. In some cases, such as Super Street Fighter 4, the difference between 3D and normal view is so great, the 3D effect isn't worth it. The frame rate is 30 fps with 3D on, and 60 fps with 3D off. I appreciate 3D in New Super Mario Land 3D, Pushmo and Mario Kart 7 however I turn it off or play 50/50 in most of my other game.

[Apex13]

is this an actual discussion? SAD

[portal_2]

Funny enough I read the march Edge (having not read an issue before) and couldn't believe ow much they focus on 360 and DS. The PS Vita coverage was pretty dismal too.

[ChickeyCantor]

Oh Edge, you.
Controversial as always.

http://sunaj-home.org/galle...

And with that I made myself laugh. It's been a while

[Rampaged Death]

Day one ! I have my copy pre ordered.