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'Separable Subsurface Scattering' shows off jaw-dropping character detail in real-time

DSOGaming writes: "Jorge Jimenez, a realtime graphics R&D programmer, has released a mind-blowing video that showcases the latest and final advances on real-time skin rendering (Separable Subsurface Scattering), which enable to quickly render skin in just two post-processing passes. What’s really important here is that everything you are about to see is written from scratch using DirectX 10 and rendered in real-time, from the skin to the film grain."

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facelike4504d ago

I wonder if we'll get a HD version of pimple popping games now.

jaosobno4504d ago (Edited 4504d ago )

Really? You see something incredible like this, a true revolution in display of digital characters in games, and first thing that comes to mind is a pimple popping game?

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ToonarmY4504d ago

He was just trying to be funny an failed

frostypants4504d ago (Edited 4504d ago )

What makes this amazing is the fact that we will be controlling models at this level of detail in REAL TIME GAMEPLAY. I hope it's in the next 5 years, but more realistically it could be 10+ years.

soundslike4504d ago

Eh I don't really want anything this realistic as far as the enemies I'm shooting in the face

makes me not want to shoot them

Convas4504d ago

How can you as a decent human being disagree with Soundslike? I do NOT want to feel like I'm killing actual human beings.

There is coming a point, and it's coming quickly, where we as an industry will have to draw the line on what we will and will not do in our video games.

Virtual murder simulation should not be on the list of things to do. Imagine a game like The Darkness II with this kind of graphics.

"BREAKING NEWS! ULTRA-VIOLENT HYPER-REALISTIC MURDER SIMULATOR CAUSING KIDS TO BECOME DEMONIC SERIAL-KILLING PSYCOPATHS - Story @ 9 only on FOX News"

The media already bastardizes us as lifeless basement dwellers. The last thing we want is for people to see us as a bunch of violent virtual killers.

Games have and still are about fun, about storytelling, about escape or at least distraction from reality. Realistic physics for bullets travelling through a virtual enemies head's is too far in the WRONG direction, especially with this level of graphics.

kaveti66164504d ago

Why would the progress of video game tech be halted just because you don't want things to be too real?

No matter how realistic the graphics look, shooting at a video game character is still just shooting at polygons.

Machioto4504d ago

@clizzz I disagree with your statement because even though the character looks real doesn't mean your going to become a killer,I think there has to something more than the fact that the game character is perceived as being real.

nirwanda4504d ago

So you must also beleave that every war film or horror film should be ban because they you real actors too.

Kakihara4504d ago

But you're playing virtual murder simulators right now, many people would already consider games to be too far gone in that direction. There have been people worrying that violent games are 'too realistic' since the first days of gaming, that's why many games in the nineties were forced to use green blood rather than red even for human characters.

I wouldn't like to see this kind of technology just used for making people's heads explode realistically mainly because I'm sick of games about shooting people in the face. Whenever a game gives me the option of non-violence I take it. Mirror's edge, Metal gear solid 4 and Deus ex are all games that give you the choice of avoiding killing people and they're all games that I've only completed with a pacifist playthrough, not killing a single enemy I wasn't forced to.

See, I'm already uncomfortable playing as some douche who considers human life expendable, I'll play a game that involves killing but given the choice I'll always avoid it. What I won't do is draw some arbitrary line that considers it perfectly cool to enjoy tearing a guy's spine out of his asshole as long as he's only comprised of a certain number of pixels. That's the kind of thinking that gets us ridiculous censorship like green blooded pedestrians in street racing games.

Let the kneejerk Fox news watchers think what they will, I can tell the difference between reality and simulation. When I'm forced to I can understand a fictional character's motivation to kill and go with it, while fully knowing that I would not react the same way in my actual life. If I'm engrossed in a game that asks me to brutally kill an enemy, it doesn't matter how graphically detailed they are or aren't, I'm still vicariously experiencing the act of killing somebody.

If you didn't agree with any of that long rant just look at it this way. If the physics and graphics do get so realistic that any sane human being would feel really uncomfortable killing an NPC, maybe that's what gaming needs to fully mature as a medium. There was a time when movies were all about killing for fun, when Injuns would grab their chests and fall down when shot. It's only when they were able to show the real sick uncomfortable reality of killing a human being that the storylines began to take this into account and deal with the harsh reality of violence.

wolokowoh4504d ago

It's M-rated for a reason. Kids shouldn't be playing it. On top of this I was playing God of War when I was 12 and it didn't affect me in the slightest. Blame parents, blame society, blame culture, blame the place you grew up and the people you were around, but blaming a game, movie, music, book, or anything designed specifically for your entertainment is just nonsense. I've listen to songs about or involving rape, necrophilia, killing people for various reasons, "fucking a dog in the ass", shooting corrupt cops, and slapping a bitch for disrespecting you among many other negative things, and I haven't done any of those things. All art should be enjoyed for what it is and shouldn't inspire any feelings that anyone else wouldn't also feel. I understand different human beings react differently to the same thing but there'd have to already be something seriously wrong with a person if he or she can't tell the difference between morality in entertainment and the different moralities based in reality.

I personally want the guy/thing I just killed to stay there with bullet holes in him as part of an infinitely manipulable open world environment that is always changing in subtle but sometimes noticeable ways but that's just me. This environment should have its own rules/laws that apply to this environment. Making it realistic isn't necessary but it should have its own style whether it emulates realism or goes for a far more stylized approach. It's all art and should embody what the creators or said art want to do with it not what it is misinterpreted as.

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MGRogue20174504d ago

... Why not DirectX 11..? =/

theeg4504d ago

The tech looks cool, but i like seeing amazing actual gameplay like those hawken videos......bad-ass mechs in a futuristic world, consider me sold, thought it was just vaporware but.....

it's actually coming....I'm so excited, the new Hawken Beta signup has started, that game looks amazing,

here is a beta signup link;

http://playhawken.com/?ref=...

camel_toad4504d ago

That is definitely amazing. ps17 and xbox 2046 here i come!

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AMD Could Revolutionize Handheld Gaming In 2024

Shaz from GL writes: "AMD could spur the beginning of a new era in handheld gaming with their upcoming APUs"

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rlow121d ago

To me the most important hardware is the battery. Doesn’t matter how powerful the chips are.

ABizzel121d ago

Eh…. It’s a combination of multiple things.

The battery is hugely important as it allows you to have ideally 4 - 5 hour gaming sessions.

The more powerful the processor the more games developers can share to the handheld, nd of course the better said games perform.

From there display, software, and ergonomics matter, as a good display/software will allow games to be more vivid, run at variable fps 30/40/60 ideally, and good ergonomics means it’s comfortable to play for said 4 - 5 hours. Everything else is gravy at that point.

rlow119d ago

I know we all want more power. But it’s sad that 4-5 hours is considered good now. It really shows how batteries have progressed at a much slower pace than hungry components.

redrum0620d ago

Of course it matters how powerful the chips are for it to be future proof. Don't you want to be able to play new games?

Neonridr20d ago

the Switch proves that you don't need the most cutting edge power out there to be successful.

RaiderNation20d ago

@Neonrdr that doesn't prove anything because only Nintendo could get away with that. Their games aren't the most complex/graphically ambitious and Nintendo fans don't care.

Vits20d ago

@Neonridr

If anything, the Switch proves the exact point "redrum06" was making. Yes, it might be successful, but it's definitely not future-proof. Just look at how many games and franchises completely skip the platform.

redrum0619d ago

I have a Switch, and recently got the Legion Go. I havent touched the Switch ever since, purely because of its inability to play even older games at a decent frame rate. For anyone wanting to play multiplatform games as well, people should skip the Switch.

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Marcus Fenix20d ago

There’s no way you’re getting that 40CU 16-core APU in a handheld. That’s too hot and power hungry for that. The highest end APU they’re suggesting is going to end up in gaming laptops that can cool a 100W chip.

Jingsing20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

I think these articles get things a little out of perspective, Steam Deck has sold around 3 million and Switch has sold 140 million. But if you are browsing certain parts internet you'd think the Steam Deck had sold over 100 million. If articles are going to continue to circulate like this and continue to put the Steam Deck in the same arena then I'm comfortable calling the device a flop.

Neonridr20d ago

Steam Deck, while considerably more popular due to it's lower barrier of entry, is still a niche device with the likes of the ROG Ally and others.

I own one and it's really nice to be able to play some games on the go or in bed, but it'll never fully compete with a system like the Switch.

Skuletor20d ago

Especially when they're not in the same price range, the Switch is considerably cheaper.

gold_drake20d ago

sure but theres still a limit to what u can put in there ha. power consumption would be the biggest hurdle. and cooling.

Demetrius19d ago

I wana try out a pc handheld but I would like to experience a steady framerate etc I don't wana have to keep going into my settings trying to make things smoother in gameplay, that's the only thing that's been keepin me from getting one I've heard others having to go into the settings time from time that'll be annoying

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AMD gaming revenue declined massively year-over-year, CFO says the demand is 'weak'

Poor Xbox sales have affected AMD’S bottom line

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RonsonPL35d ago

Oh wow. How surprising! Nvidia overpriced their RTX cards by +100% and AMD instead of offering real competition, decided to join Nvidia in their greedy approach, while not having the same mindshare as Nvidia (sadly) does. The 7900 launch was a marketing disaster. All the reviews were made while the card was not worth the money at all, they lowered the price a bit later on, but not only not enough but also too late and out of "free marketing" window coming along with the new card generation release. Then the geniuses at AMD axed the high-end SKUs with increased cache etc, cause "nobody will buy expensive cards to play games" while Nvidia laughed at them selling their 2000€ 4090s.
Intel had all the mindshare among PC enthusiasts with their CPUs. All it took was a competetive product and good price (Ryzen 7000 series and especially 7800x3d) and guess what? AMD regained the market share in DYI PCs in no time! The same could've have happened with Radeon 5000, Radeon 6000 and Radeon 7000.
But meh. Why bother. Let's cancell high-end RDNA 4 and use the TSMC wafers for AI and then let the clueless "analysts" make their articles about "gaming demand dwingling".

I'm sure low-end, very overpriced and barely faster if not slower RDNA4 will turn things around. It will have AI and RT! Two things nobody asked for, especially not gamers who'd like to use the PC for what's most exciting about PC gaming (VR, high framerate gaming, hi-res gaming).
8000 series will be slow, overpriced and marketed based on its much improved RT/AI... and it will flop badly.
And there will be no sane conclusions made at AMD about that. There will be just one, insane: Gaming is not worth catering to. Let's go into AI/RT instead, what could go wrong..."

Crows9035d ago

What would you say would be the correct pricing for new cards?

Very insightful post!

RonsonPL35d ago

That's a complicated question. Depends on what you mean. The pricing at the release date or the pricing planned ahead. They couldn't just suddenly end up in a situation where their existing stock of 6000 cards is suddenly unsellable, but if it was properly rolled out, the prices should be where they were while PC gaming industry was healthy. I recognize the arguments about inflation, higher power draw and PCB/BOM costs, more expensive wafers from TSMC etc. but still, PC gaming needs some sanity to exist and be healthy. Past few years were very unhealthy and dangerous to whole PC gaming. AMD should recognize this market is very good for them as they have advantage in software for gaming and other markets while attractive short term, may be just too difficult to compete at. AI is the modern day gold rush and Nvidia and Intel can easily out-spend AMD on R&D. Meanwhile gaming is tricky for newcomers and Nvidia doesn't seem to care that much about gaming anymore. So I would argue that it should be in AMDs interest to even sell some Radeon SKUs at zero profit, just to prevent the PC gaming from collapsing. Cards like 6400 and 6500 should never exist at their prices. This tier was traditionally "office only" and priced at 50$ in early 2000s. Then we have Radeons 7600 which is not really 6-tier card. Those were traditionally quite performant cards based on wider than 128-bit memory bus. Also 8GB is screaming "low end". So I'd say the 7600 should've been available at below 200$ (+taxes etc.) as soon as possible, at least for some cheaper SKUs.For faster cards, the situation is bad for AMD, because people spending like $400+ are usually fairly knowledgable and demanding. While personally I don't see any value in upscallers and RT for 400-700$ cards, the fact is that especially DLSS is a valuable feature for potential buyers. Therefore, even 7800 and 7900 cards should be significantly cheaper than they currently are. People knew what they were paying for when buying Radeon 9700, 9800, X800, 4870 etc. They were getting gaming experience truly unlike console or low-end PC gaming. By all means, let's have expensive AMD cards for even above $1000, but first, AMD needs to show value. Make the product attractive. PS5 consoles can be bought at 400$. If AMD offers just a slightly better upscalled image on the 400$ GPU, or their 900$ GPU cannot even push 3x as many fps compared to cheap consoles, the pricing acts like cancer on PC gaming. And poor old PC gaming can endure only so much.

MrCrimson34d ago

I appreciate your rant sir, but it has very little to do with gpus. It is the fact that the PS5 and Xbox are in end cycle before a refresh.

RonsonPL34d ago

Yes, but also no. AMD let their PC GPU marketshare to shrink by a lot (and accidentally helped the whole market shrink in general due to bad value of PC GPUs over the years) and while their console business may be important here, I'd still argue their profits from GPU division could've been much better if not for mismanagement.

bababooiy34d ago

This is something many have argued over the last few years when it comes to AMD. The days of them selling their cards at a slight discount while having a similar offering are over. Its not just a matter of poor drivers anymore, they are behind on everything.

RNTody34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Great post. I went for a Nvidia RTX 3060Ti which was insane value for money when I look at the fidelity and frame rates I can push in most games including new releases. Can't justify spending 3 times what my card cost at the time to get marginal better returns or the big sell of "ray tracing", which is a nice to have feature but hardly essential given what it costs to maintain.

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KwietStorm_BLM35d ago

Well that's gonna happen when you don't really try. I want to support AMD so badly and give Nvidia some actual competition but they don't very much seem interested in challenging, by their own accord. I been waiting for them to attack the GPU segment the same way they took over CPU, but they just seem so content with handing Nvidia the market year after year, and it's happening again this year with their cancelled high end card.

MrCrimson34d ago

I think you're going to see almost zero interest from AMD or Nvidia on the gaming GPU market. They are all in on AI.

RhinoGamer8835d ago

No Executive bonuses then...right?

enkiduxiv34d ago

What are smoking? Got to layoff your way to those bonuses. Fire 500 employees right before Christmas. That should get you there.

Tapani34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Well, if you are 48% down in Q4 in your Gaming sector as they are, which in absolute money terms is north of 500M USD, then you are not likely to get at least your quarterly STI, but can be applicable for annual STI. The LTI may be something you are still eligible for, such as RSUs or other equity and benefits, especially if they are based on the company total result rather than your unit. All depends on your contract and AMD's reward system.

MrCrimson34d ago

Lisa Su took AMD from bankruptcy to one of the best semiconductor companies on the planet. AMD from 2 dollars a share to 147. She can take whatever she wants.

Tapani34d ago

You are not wrong about what she did for AMD and that is remarkable. However, MNCs' Rewards schemes do not work like "take whatever you want, because you performed well in the past".

darksky35d ago

AMD prcied their cards thinking that they will sell out just like in the mining craze. I suspect reality has hit home when they realized most gamers cannot afford to spend over $500 for a gpu.

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Make your next GPU upgrade AMD as these latest-gen Radeon cards receive a special promotion

AMD has long been the best value option if you're looking for a new GPU. Now even their latest Radeon RX 7000 series is getting cheaper.

Father__Merrin45d ago

Best for the money is the Arc cards

just_looken45d ago

In the past yes but last gen amd has gotten cheaper and there new cards are on the horizon making 6k even cheaper.

The arc cards are no longer made by intel but asus/asrock has some the next line battlemage is coming out prices tbd.

Do to the longer software development its always best to go amd over intel if its not to much more money even though intel is a strong gpu i own 2/4 card versions.