NPD Fallout: Uncharted Fails to Chart

Missing from the NPD November sales charts is Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, which only managed 117,000 sales. To be fair, Uncharted did have a better first-month than Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (74,500 units), Warhawk (58,600 units) and Lair (46,500 units), but still fell behind Heavenly Sword's debut sales (139,000 units) in September.

[SDFm3rc]

got to start thinking real carefully from now on. They surely can't afford to keep developing and investing heavily in AAA titles only to see them bomb, one after the other. It's just not a good look.

I hate to say this but I'm sure many developers are well aware of this current trend and will start treating the PS3 as a big gamble.

It's a real shame for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

[Snukadaman]

Uncharted in my opinion had plenty of press, just like heavenly sword,lair and even ratchet and clank. The owners of the ps3 are there....but in north america they are not buying games no matter how many people say it is good.

[DrPirate]

PS3 owner buying trends stink.

[Kleptic]

I don't know what the deal is...I was saying in an earlier article how I already own 9 games, and bought the PS3 in march...with several more in on the near horizon...

Only mistake I made was buying Vegas, but at that point I only owned Resistance and Motorstorm, both of which I had played the absolute crap out of...

and that Warhawk thing was debunked a while ago...Sony only released information on the retail version, which didn't fair as well (that was the 58,000 its first month or whatever...the leaderboards had 78,000 within the first few days...combining the PSN download and retail versions, the title did perfectly fine considering its online only...and next weeks expansion should spur some additional sales assuming they do a decent bundle...still pissed they are charging for it though; numerous interviews had Jobe going on about not nickle and diming us to death with it...

[actas123]

I think its time for video games on both platforms to go back to the 49.99 and 39.99 dollars mark.. Paying 60 dollars for a video game no matter what it is is just "not smart" and thats my opinion. I think all gamers should buy less video games, that way publishers will lower prices on new releases..

[Real Gambler]

Years ago, background music was done by one man on a cheap synthetiser. Today, you get an orchestra. Do you feel like going back to those endless 7 note melody again? Not me.

Years ago, you had no graphical artist... The programmer would sit down, draw a 20 pixels (huge, pixels, huge!) something that looked like a two legged human, and made those sprites glide across the screen. Background was blue, or green... Want to go back? Not me.

I'm willing to pay more today, because we are far from the team of 20 programmers working in a basement somewhere. I didn't buy Uncharted. I may eventually, but I had to choose. I bought COD4, Assassin and Eye of Judgment. Needless to say, my PS3 has been running non stop since then. So I don't think Uncharted didn't sell because of the price. There was simply too much too choose from. I'm sure it will sell decently, months after months. Next game on my list is UT3... Yep, didn't buy it yet. May wait until Christmas break since I don't have much play time now. But sure enough, if the big spring games get postponed, I'll have all eyes on Uncharted.

[Xbox is the BEST]

are buying Blu Ray movies

[radzy]

ha ha ha

[TUFFnNYC]

I know that for now PS3 owners are not buying games. But heres my take. I am not rich. So every game that comes out for PS3 i cannot get even though i want to. And PS3 owners have been a little swamped with games these past couple of months. I know i cant afford them all. I plan on getting Uncharted, UT3, Assasins Creed, COD4. Right now all i have is MLB 07, R:FoM and Warhawk. Why? Im a college student supporting myself. But thats just me. As with PS3 owners. You can say that they only use the PS3 for bluray but people used the PS2 for dvd's and now in its 7th year its still selling like McDonalds Snack wraps. The same will happen for the PS3. Mark my words.

[eagle21]

It has more legs than Naomi Campbell and PS3 is outselling 360 software in EU week ending Dec.8. Assassin's Creed sold 1 million copies on PS3, COD4 over 1 million copies on PS3 in 3 weeks worldwide. COD4 and Assassin's also outsold Mass Effect and Halo 3 on 360 in November. Even Mario Galaxy! Sorry if PS3 owners wanted in on those games in bulk too. But with only 2.6 million PS3's in N.A. it's gonna give and take. But when they finish? Uncharted will be their top pick. So what if Uncharted sold 400k (waiting for EU numbers) in less than 1 month? You sound so dumb it's unreal. It sold 50k last week in U.S. By X-mas Uncharted should be 450k in U.S. alone and 800k worldwide. Sony needs no help, that belongs to 360's international agenda (sorry). 7.2 million PS3's sold and counting. Not to mention the ass wooping hd-dvd gets..PS3 is making it happen. You are blind and arrogant.

Also...1up is talking about the top 10 american software. PS3 and Ps2 has great numbers on this list. Why do you think 360 was outsold worldwide? Games like Uncharted and Ratchet that's why....who would've thought?

[Snukadaman]

eagle21...im talking too you...no one insulted you ps3 fans...lets show some respect and not be a friggan child with the name calling...my point is this....if orange box for the xbox 360 can sell 300k in one week..what the hell is going on where ps3's best games cant even hit 300k in 6-7 weeks...i promise you developers look at those numbers...soon some of them will figure out it doesnt pay too make a exclusive game for the ps3 when in fact exclusives sell quite poorly. and please lets not go with the usual excuses of "ohh the ps3 isnt at 14 million like the xbox". at this time last year gears of war happend too sell 1 million copies in less than 3 weeks...on the xbox 360 with 1 million more consoles then the ps3 has now at 4 million.

[R M Spender]

did anyone disagree with his comment. clowns,,,,

[Lucreto]

Well the attach rate is poor but it will improve. If you bought a $600 Playstation you will be a little short on money. We need to wait a year or so for things to improve. We are comparing our current attach rates to a console that came out a year later where people have already gotten over the inital price and are buying games.

That and the 360 has so many AAA games this year it would be higher.

Who is disagreeing with me is it the 360 fanboys or the PS3 fanboys.

[robep3]

HI ALL
What thr figs REALLY SAY IF YOU BOTHER TO LOOK AT LINK GIVEN
UNCHARTED ONLY AVAILABLE 2 WEEKS REPEAT 2 WEEKS OF THE MONTH!!!

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

EXTRACT FROM THIS.

PlayStation 3 may be commonly pinned as a Blu-ray platform, but that doesn't mean those owners aren't interested in actually playing games; the 444,000 copies of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare sold on PS3 last month are a testament to this. In arguably the month's biggest disappointment, Naughty Dog's PS3 debut, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, not only failed to show up in the top ten software sales for November, but only managed 117,000 sales, according to the NPD Group, during the two weeks it was available last month.

ALMOST HALF A MILLION COD, 117,000 UNCHARTED AND WE STILL KICKED
HD-DVD IN THE BUTT PS3 OWNERS HAVE MORE CASH TO SPEND THAN XBOTS!!!

ROB.

[Sarick]

@Real Gamer

What you've said about games costing more to make is true but you've missed something. I the old days games where more of a nitch audience. Today you can't walk down the street and meet someone who hasn't played a video game. Cost are higher but the install base is also many many times larger.

Lets look at PC games they're still selling for roughly $40-$50.
This is where the companies make games and sell the consoles at a loss planning to make money off royalties and add on hardware.

I think your making the mistake that you'll get better games if you throw money at developers.

I've seen how well throwing money around works. If McRonald's hires minimum wage employees then decides to give them $10 an hour using profits from $10 Big McRonalds it doesn't make the product better. It just means less people will buy the burgers and McRonalds is throwing money around irrationality.

Proof of concept the PS3 60g had a slow launch as Sony thought everyone would pay $600 for high quality hardware.

Also don't forget aren't a few of the EA games for the PS3 $60? If your concept of $60 games = higher quality games then... Seriously wtf is up with EA?

[Snukadaman]

everyone who wanted it bought it the first day it was available...what your observation does is show how more anemic ps3 owners purchase games considering they had 2 weeks too pick up the game...and only 177 people decided it was worth 60 bucks....

[travelguy2k]

GREAT!!! since it released so late in the month its really no mare than its first week. In my book a month is 30 days, not 11 or so...

Sorry @ below, saying the same thing, i'll give you a bubble for sayin first though.

[Legend]

Most PS3 owners rent single player adventure titles these days.

[Clinton514]

Is it really so disappointing that a game that was officially released on November 20th sold that much within 10 days?

I don't mind a good smear campaign but when it's so faulty it's more amusing than anything else. It shows big time that Patrick is lacking stripes over there at 1Up.com This isn't the first time he's spun a story so "fabulously".

[ktchong]

"Unofficially", Uncharted was released earlier than the official street date and about one week before Mass Effect. (Mass Effect's broken street date is already taken into consideration.) So both had really been out for more than 3 weeks in November - I'm sure the sales made during the street date was broken was counted into the NPD data as November sales.

Mass Effect managed to hit number 6 on the NPD November chart, and Mass Effect is a Western RPG - a niche genre.

[Clinton514]

but it's also fair to say Uncharted had nowhere near the gaming media coverage that Mass Effect did. The reasons are debatable of course.

ps. Any disagree you see isn't from me. In fact I gave you an agree. ;)

[Danja]

Uncharted was officially released on NOV.19th..Gamestop started selling the game on Nov 16th...most ppl did not buy the game until after or on Nov 19th...so don't even try to spin it around

Uncharted had no hype..well compared to Mass Effect...and the 360 userbase is bigger than the PS3's for now that is..so didn't you expect Mass Effect to sell more..*common sense dude*...actually everyone expected Mass Effect to do bigger numbers than it did...

Uncharted should have long legs this holiday season Sony needs to just push the game like it did RFOM..

[rich13er]

that PS3 owners would be jumping at the chance to pick up a game that has been getting good reviews. I was thinking about maybe picking it up. but with Mass effect, Rockband, AC, Guitar Hero 3 the funds dried up. Maybe thats the problem to many other MUST have games came out a little before it.

[wil4hire]

All of my negative talk about Mass Effect have been the glaring problems with the game. As a game, its a total flop. Nothing you say, or game sales say.. are going to change the fact that:

The animations are terrible
The Loading issues are terrible
The Framerate is amazingly terrible.
There is nothing "EPIC" about the game. Xbots were acting like they are really going to keep doing the same missions over and over again to get the "50" hour gameplay. Yeah.. Right.

These numbers show that all 6 million PS3 owners aren't buying Uncharted. I guess since everyone on this forum loves to ignore the "wait" for the future thing.. well we will just leave it at that.The PS3 is a flop (as of november) Sony should get out of the game business yadda yadda etcetera etcetera. Right? Because there is no way that a trend of the game system jumping 400% in sales are going to keep going.. and we dont like to look towards the future on N4g.. so there it is.

Uncharted is a great game, and has great new technology for games. I didn't say that, all reviewers have. There are no issues that you have to "ignore" while playing to enjoy the "flawed gem" as Mass Effect has been reviewed time and time again.

I dont remember knowing how many people Enjoyed Street-Fighter either. I just remembered I enjoyed it, without NPD numbers.

Now after saying all that.. again. I guess the PS3 is totally doomed, because it wont sell games in the future... man.. I wish I woulda got a 360.. so I could play boring ass FPS over.. and over.. and over again. Oh wait, I play FPS's on my pc-rig, infact. I play the same "AAA" games on my PC rig that are out for the 360. And I played it 4 years ago, when it was fun.(Half-Life2/CS-S)

SPiderman 3 sold a ton of tickets as well.. that must mean its good?

[jcgamer]

Why are you way up here answering to me? I'm "down there"...lol...props for showing your face, but that's about all you're gonna get from me...still talking junk, you ain't no real gamer...saying Mass Effect is a total flop as a game...lol...no need to talk to you anymore...you wouldn't know a real game if it was staring you in your face!

[Danja]

I think 'Wil4hire' recognises a good game when it hits him...he loves 'UNCHARTED'

Uncharted is a better game than Mass Effect even though they can't really be compared *different genres*...Uncharted blows every 360 game to date out the water dude..

so tell me what makes Mass Effect so Great..is it a good game to certain ppl yes..but not everyone who bought the game is satisified with it...everyone who has played Uncharted has nothing but good to say about it..

[tordavis]

Mass Effect IS a great game. Have you played it or are you just on the outside looking in? Drakes is awesome too. Saying it blows every 360 title out of the water is far fetched. Is it as fun as Gears or does it just look better? PS3 fanboys tend to equate graphics with overall gameplay. Just because Drakes looks better than any console game, doesn't mean it's actually better. You are however, entitled to your opinion.

Here's a very open-minded review of Mass Effect. He touches on the flaws and the greatness. Yes, ME is a great game.

http://www.thebitbag.com/in...

Anyways, Sony fanboys seem to think that the world is going to explode PS3's next year with MGS4 and FFXIII. Not a single bit of new gameplay footage has been released for FFXIII yet people are banking on it. Why is that? Anyways, PS3 will do great next year but I doubt it's just going to up and pass 360 and Wii. What we are dealing with here folks is a 3 system market and it's going to stay that way until the next generation. You will see no system failures or console war losers this generation.

[TheXgamerLive]

This is sad numbers as Uncharted is the ps3's best game out.

At this rate the ps3 won't sell a million copies of a game ever.

The xbox 360 was already selling millions by now at this point in it's cycle. Developers aren't going to be crossing over to the ps3 with numbers like this, they'll re running away.

[PS3 Limps on and on]

PS3 is a bomb, lets just face it. F*ck!!

[HarryEtTubMan]

Shut up little kid.

By earaly 2008 and even beofre for some...Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted, Assassins Creed and COD4 will all be million sellers. They are all getting close(with the exceptoin of Uncharted but it will easily go on to sell a million and more.

I hope u know the 400$ PS3 just outsold the 250$ pleasefixme again last week. Thatas hilarious. Your brain cant reason,you're just an immature kiddie that feels the need to pick sides. A 400$ system without any of the Huge games coming in 2008(there are alot)just beat a 250$ one and a 350$ bundled with 2 games. You seriously are annoying,have no clue what u are talking about and NO.. a console that will have sold over 8 million by the end of 2007 is not a "bomb". You are just a "clown" that has to pick sides in a faky imaginary war. Guess what>? I have BOTH consoles and even though I like my PS3 more and know it will do muvh better in the long run and proablly willeven win.... this is the best Xbox ever made and also the best Hardcore gaming machine ever made(PS3 has hardcore games too...just much more innovation and variety.) We don't care what your 14 year old brain thinks. You don't know anything. If the PS3 sold as "hahahaha badly" as it did this year for the next 9 years of like it would sale 80 million cosnoles... guess what? Its gonna sale alot more than only 8 million most of these years. PS3 is gonna sale over 100 million again easy. Do u think the 360 will even break 50-60 million worldwide? SORRY... but its NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Its already getting beat by a 150$ more expensive system and the reall games come in 2008... and yea even more and better in 2009,2010. Sonys Ceo also said 2 days ago that Playsatoin Network will have everything Xbox live does by next year. EVERYTHING. But what XBOx love WONT HAVE is a online browser(internet), Playstation home, 3D virtual hall of fame(making achivements so much more than just words)... Movies and even alot of music and MP3's to compete with iTUNES. Sony is ready to go to war. One price cut and they are already winning. People want Playstation. Even 150$ expensive. If u like the 360 thats ok I do to but don't envy and attack THE BETTER system just becasue... probally in reality your mommy told you...you could only get a Wii or a 360 and not a PS3 until the price drops to 250$. Either way u will still end up with a PS3 in the next couple years as will 85% of all the XBOTS EVERYWHERE. hahaha

lol O well. I bet u 4 of the 5 of those games are million sellers within the next 3-4 months. Also Multiplatfroms Assassins creed and COD4.

[Danja]

it funny you call the PS3 a bomb , when you actually traded in ur PS3 for an actual ticking time bomb... I hope you have fun when you get those 3 RROD...it's only a matter of time...

ahh btw I see you've taken my advice by changing ur avatar...lol...

@Harry

dude you seriously don't need to write a freakin essay in every post ppl aint gonna read it..atleast break it up into paragraphs makes it easier on the eyes...lol

[skagrerrrr]

I wasn't expecting these numbers from Uncharted:Drake's Fortune.

[toughNAME]

it seems like every other commercial I see is for Uncharted

[ruibing]

Yeah I know, I bought one from Best Buy over Thanksgiving and most of my friends with PS3s have it as well. But I guess everyone has their own tastes.

[PS3n360]

Uncharted really is worth buyin a PS3 for. I know a lot 360 gamers are usually the hardcore open minded sort at least I try to be. The 360 has so many awesome games that I love, I just love great games period. Uncharted single player beats any single player action game on 360 for graphics story and gameplay. If it had even mediocre multiplayer it would be my most favourite game ever. It is neck and neck with gears of war for me and that says alot because I am a multiplayer whore and usually dont even play through single player games. If you call yourself a gamer at least try uncharted, whats the worst that could happen?

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Everything flops on the PS3. Do you guys ever buy freaking games or do just buy movies? "I own the Moviestation 3" I bet the worst selling 360 game is on par with the best selling PS3 game.

[Clinton514]

Some childish bandwagoner jumps into this discussion.

[raub]

bye bye bubbles

[zapass]

no, we called it an overhyped boring slide show.

[FPS nut]

bye bye to your bubbles raub

[jcgamer]

Sony Fanboys WERE in fact saying "Mass Eflop" jokes, he ain't lyin'...in fact, where IS Crazzy Man and wil4hire...Where u at! Where u at! Talking all that yin-yang Wu-Tang...lol...bubbles up Jason 360, don't worry...

[tatotiburon]

bubbles for you jason...keep it up.

Anyway i really like Uncharted, its sad to see it flop, sorry four you devs, take my advice: Jump In.

[toughNAME]

but i'm not going to change your bubbles in any way because you said 'Droid'..

..which is pretty much the Sony equivalent to 'xbot' the stupidest word on all the internets

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

I don't know what you guys are so angry for, I could go back to the good ole days when I was a pr!ck in every post. I thought that comment was kinda "light" compaired to what I can do. Putting my 360 fanboy aside for a sec, you guys do need to start buying more games. Do you realy think devs don't notice these numbers? That is the 1st, 2nd and last thing they see, they are not in the buisness of making games for a whoping 60,000 copies sold. Did you guys see the numbers for COD4? now is it realy that suprising to you that devs make the 360 their lead platform? Buy buying the movies your helping the future of Blu-Ray and hurting the future of games. Are you "gamers" or movie buffs?

[Bladestar]

Jason I got your back too... + Bubbles.. tired of Sony fanboys trying to stop people from telling the truth.

[UrbanJabroni]

+ bubbles to Jason

[tordavis]

It's not the n4g PS3 owners that aren't buying games, it's those bastards buying PS3's for Blu-Ray players that aren't buying games.

[Tru2U]

If you don't have anything intelligent to say just take your comments outside and spray paint them on a wall.

Take a look at the comment from PS3n360 and learn from him. Tru gamers play games not consoles!

[Drillin]

Dont worry I got your back also + bubble for you. Sick of seeing these Sony fanboys try and take bubbles away just because they get their feelings hurt by what someone said against their console.

[raub]

guess i should have explained a little better, but i wasn't going to take them, i don t take anyones, infact most of the other people who everyone hates i think are just funny, i was just saying that a lot of people aren t going to like what ya said ;)

[The Dude]

More bubbles for Jason

[Potty Scotty]

Bubbles for my Xbox brothers

[sak500]

Bubbles up for jason and all bubbling up jason

[Cusco]

Ah no worries. It didn't have that much advertisement at the time, now there's many commercials and it's on many people's "to buy" list. Only a matter of time before sales pick up :)

[v1c1ous]

if a semi-decent game like lost planet can get a million sales while the 360 had low numbers, why couldn't a game with such hype like uncharted?

come on ps3 owners, START BUYING THEM GAMES!

[wangdiddy82]

games ever made.. And uncharted and ratchet are two amazing games.. I swear ps3 owners need to start buying more games or devs are going to stop making games for the system..

[wageslave]

Huh? People who own a PS3 dont buy Some of the Best Games Ever Made because, uhm, they wont play on the PS3.

You know that dont you? If you put a Wii or Xbox 360 game in the PS3 it wont work. THAT is why they arent buying those Best Games Ever Made.

Get it? Dont be obtuse pal, we all know what the metacritic scores are for PS3 exclusives, clearly "The Best Games" arent AVAILABLE on the PS3.

Stop being ridiculous.

[paracardium]

I really enjoy this game.. I don't consider this game a flop by any means. Xbots sure like to come over here a spew gossip like old women.

[Bonsai1214]

considering that Uncharted is one of the best titles of the year. i have no doubt that it'll eventually sell 1 million, but it is an incredible oddity that the ps3's attach rate is so low.

it easily trumps almost every other title released this year in terms of enjoyment and technology

[Clinton514]

Wasn't there an article just today(or was it last night) regarding the attach rate? And it looked quite healthy/normal to me.

[The_Engineer]

Ps3 games and counting, Sony and those who dev for it have nothing to worry about.

so what other 360 title is mass effect competing with?? NONE

Uncharted has Heavenly Sword, Ratchet, Warhawk, FIFA08(looks and plays best on the 3),Unreal,COd4,etc.
UNcharteds numbers are @ half a million worldwide and they will go up,, there is no doubt about that.

[wageslave]

"Uncharted is one of the best titles of the year."

Maybe *your* favorite game, or more accuratley one of the best Exclusive titles for PS3 this year.

It is only one of the best if you consider your group of "Best" to include a dozen games.

Here ya go, go and see how Uncharted stacks up against what is "The Best" of the year:

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
1 Orange Box, The 2007 96
2 BioShock 2007 96
3 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2007 94
6 Halo 3 2007 94
7 Rock Band 2007 93
8 Guitar Hero II 2007 92
9 Mass Effect 2007 91
11 Forza Motorsport 2 2007 90
13 Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 2007 89
16 Virtua Fighter 5 2007 89

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
1 Super Mario Galaxy 2007 97
4 Metroid Prime 3: Corruption 2007 90

http://www.metacritic.com/g...
1 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2007 94
2 Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, The 2007 93
3 Rock Band 2007 92
4 Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction 2007 89
5 Uncharted: Drake's Fortune 2007 89

Now, tell us again that Uncharted should be in a Best of 2007 Games list? No, I dont think so.

[Skerj]

Sony dropped the ball in advertising for this game, I only saw a brief gameplay snip in the onyx montage commercials. I know the commercial aired SOMEWHERE but to this day I still haven't seen it on TV.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

I've seen a strictly Uncharted commercial a few times... but i agree the game wasn't advertised enough and it pains me because Uncharted is THE PS3 game I wanted to succeed the most...

[FreedomReign]

Uncharted is all over G4, and Spike TV, has been for well over a month. I've also seen the Uncharted commercials on all the network stations.

Then again, our cable providers are in a perpetual state of monopoly, and they in large part control the commercial programming.

This may explain why Sony is doing so much better in Canada then the States. Virtual deadheat in November.

[Skerj]

Ahh ok, I don't watch G4 anymore nor have I ever really watched SpikeTV. I guess that's why I haven't seen it. I figured it would have played on Adult Swim or Comedy Central by now.

[FPS nut]

What a shame.

[Lex Luthor]

Now we know why it was called Uncharted.

Anyway, dismal sales for the game sony fanboys hyped as a system seller(LMAO)and bashed 360 for to no end. As expected when the game finally came out they were too broke to buy the game.

I could of sworn uncharted was meant to sell consoles, silly me. Especially after all the adverts.

Edit: @ Clit-ton, please don't cry, you only have yourselves to blame.

Another flop to sonys list.

[Clinton514]

Not strong minded enough to read through articles and do a little research.

Flop in a corner and think about that.

Good night.

[toughNAME]

You don't have any right to call anyone a sheep

I mean look at your posts in this thread alone

why are you so vigorously defending Uncharted?

---

It's just a game man, whether it flops or not it has no effect on your life

[razer]

After seeing a Uncharted commercial every 15 minutes on some stations.. It's not like they didn't advertise.. Got the new EGM and it had a 3 page fold-out ad for the game right on the first page.. Halo 3 didn't even do that..

The game is GREAT and it deserves better sales.. Maybe the next one should be multiplatform so these hard working dev's can get a return on their investment? Of course this will get disagree's, but how sad it is for these devs when they have families to feed and not breaking even on their games. You know what happens to studios when they don't make profitable games?? Ask FASA.

Filet B3yond!

[xplosneer]

Big Shame, very great game. Unfortunately it was Uncharted, literally.
But it will probably not go multiplatform, because Naughty Dog is either Sony owned or very close to Sony(and insomniac, which is also close to Sony).

You know what? I call for a mass price reduction in games to $50. I mean Xbox games are on DVD and Wii games are on DVD yet Xbox games are $10 higher. I wish it would go back to PS2 prices cause I would buy a lot more games(By the way, I already own 10 for my PS3, and about 30 for my PS2, but it doesn't make it any difference. Oh, I own Uncharted and R&C too)

[Meus Renaissance]

When it comes to buying games, evidently most PS3 owners are complete twats. They probably play that duck game all day long.

And to the children above hating and mocking this game; shame on you. You're not gamers but just a bunch of fanboys with salt up their anus.

[razer]

Salt up their anus!!

You are right, this game deserves credit and not to be mocked. We have enough "shovelware" we should be celebrating the devs that put the time and effort into making great cinematic games.. Leave the mocking to the "Vampire Rains" and "Medal of Honors" of the industry.

[Covenant]

"Salt in the anus..."

Or sand in their vaginas...to quote from South Park. :)

Seriously, I agree with both of you: Why isn't this selling? After suffering through months of bad ports and half-@ssed efforts, PS3 owners finally get a couple of great, AAA games...and then, they don't sell. WTF?

[sheng long]

I did my part and purchased the game. not much more i can do since i can't really afford to purchase more than 1 copy.

[Lex Luthor]

Didn't Crazzyman say Mass Effect was a flop?
Foot say hello to mouth.

[jcgamer]

YES, he did...where IS Crazzy Man?...*chirps* *crickets*...lol

EDIT: And that disagree is probably him! I knew you would show up! In some form...lol...and if it isn't him, what? Leave some feedback...you scared?

[skagrerrrr]

support gaming, buy those games

[eagle21]

come back after xmas..it's the best game out. Assassins and COD4 were top choice on PS3 that week. Ratchet (Oct. 23) is 500k and Uncharted (Nov. 19 and Dec. 7) is close to 400k worldwide and waiting for EU launch numbers. Warhawk is a download. And all will cross 1 million.

[ktchong]

A lot of games on the NPD November chart are not one month old.

Assassin's Creed. Super Mario Galaxy. Mass Effect. Etc. They all launched in the middle of the months. Most games that hit the charts launch in the middle of the month. But they still hit the charts. Assassin's Creed Xbox 360 version hits the chart INDIVIDUALLY.

[Xbox is the BEST]

Warhawk is at 310K no way in hell is it going to reach 1 million this year. If you have Warhawk pull up the stats

[Covenant]

That's a damn shame...PS3 owners, BUY THIS GAME!

I finally got to play it, and it was one of the better gaming experiences I've had this year. Other than some minor camera issues, it's a quality gaming experience, and should be doing better.

First Ratchet, and now this...can anyone give me a valid reason why it's not selling? Maybe the boost in PS3 sales will help it in December and after Christmas.

If not, well...Naughty Dog could always port it to the 360... :) (A fella can hope, can't he?)

EDIT: Whoever gave me bubble #10: Thanks.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

that was me

RETURN THE LOVE PLEASE!!! :)

[Covenant]

Done. Thanks again.

[Relcom]

So if some people didn't buy this its there loss, simply as that. This game is not graded on sales, its graded on how good it is and it is 90%+ game. Go ahead and let the corporations call it a failure because of sales, but GAMERS should praise this game.

[wageslave]

You're wrong. It's not a "90%+ game". It is a 8.9 / 10 game. no more. No less.

That is the metacritic score. Maybe _you_ like it, but opinions are like arseholes and all that.

The opinion of the industry is 8.9 / 10. Pretty good, but not amoung the best of the year really...

[Rice]

i dont carre about the sales, im still buying this game.

[Covenant]

Isn't that what it's supposed to be about? The GAMES.

One of my favorite games for the original Xbox, Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath, barely sold...but it ranks as one of my favorite games of all-time.

If the game appeals to you, buy it.

[Raptors]

Its actually sad that the game didn't do well. I haven't played it but I saw someone else playing and its beautiful. But this brings up the question, are people buying the ps3 for movies or games?

[mboojigga]

For all the talk that goes on around here you would think some of the PS3 owners or fanboys who claim to own them(I am talking about you 10 yr olds) that woud understand how this concept is supposed to work.

Developers see console sales which of course increase. What they expect from that increase is possible buyers.(common sense so for the slow ones please reread so you can comprehend)

Potential software sales come from these increase console sales. This is working for the 360 since day 1.

But for the PS3 and mainly 3rd party support for the Wii.....this isn't the case.

The reason for the PS3.....who the hell knows who actually bought it for a movie station or a game station or both. No one is buying the games and it has been that way since launch.

2 games confirmed as million sellers and that is R-FOM and Motorstorm. At the beginning of the year it was claim actually up until Fall how Lair, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Strangelhold(whoever the hell though this was smoking crack just because it came with the Blu-Ray special edition Hard Boil) were all going to be system selling games(meaning pushing units. It is very CLEAR this is not the case because for all those consoles sold for November alone was not strictly for games. You know why(here we go people)

It is a movie player first........THEN a game console secondary vs the 360 is a game machine first then a movie player. (keep following me on this now) The sales tell you. How does Sony sale 450,000 consoles but doesn't have but 1 game that reflects the same amount sold(for you slow folks I am not talking about every console sold meant they bought COD 4) Each week/month we keep hearing about the BR selling more than HD-DVD. The PS3 is not being bought by kids. The PS3 is being bought my movie owners who see it as a cheaper DVD player and possibly as a game console later on. I am a gamer first and even I have more BR movies for the PS3 than I do games for it. Uncharted is the best game I own and have played so far on this system. But I own all my multiplayer games on the 360 and only buy the exclusives for the PS3. But that is common sense for just me and me alone. Not worried about following a trend just makes sense to buy my multiplatform games for the 360 becuase of friends that I play with online for the last 5 years, Service, interactivity, and the ability to see what my friends are doing and keep in constant contact. The problem is not enough gamers have bought the PS3 for gaming. The software sales reflect this each and every month. FLIP FLOP FLIP FLOP BR UP......BR games down.

For the Wii.....Gamecube all over again knowing 3rd party games do not sell so well except a very small few but we all know how nintendo games do so well with the great quality that comes with those games.

[theriongod]

How can anyone take you seriously whenever you cannot even check your grammer??? I do not know. Seriously, You make a valid beef, but, check your grammer. You sound like an illeducated trailer park hick.

[BIGBAER]

It is two words: "ill" and "educated."

A hyphenated version would be acceptable in your usage: ill-educated. Combining the two into a single word--without use of a hyphen, is not acceptable however.

Also, "grammer" is spelled g-r-a-m-m-a-r (grammar).

And, don't let your bigotry show by assuming people who live in trailer parks are uneducated. It's a bad and incorrect cliche.

[ruiner4482]

@25.2

Owned...

[gamesblow]

To date uncharted is at 400,000 world wide... IT just hit U.K. last week. That's not a bomb. It'll hit a million... why spin it any other way? So, by the time it's a month old it'll be at 500,000 units sold. So, a half a million in a month. That's not bad at all. More so cause the user bases in each territory are still low.

[FPS nut]

You’re a sad little man, aren't you?

[v1c1ous]

it must sell close to 150k in one of the 3 major areas.

those being 1) USA 2) Japan 3) Europe

sure it may get 100k in all for 300k+, but it doesn't look as good.

its all about aesthetics.

[R M Spender]

PUKE! you dont jack about games dude, games blows blows out his arse!

[hardcorehippiez]

its just been released in the u.k.and if people here are like me they have other commitments coming up to christmas . ill be buying this game next week for sure and im sure it will sell well over the christmas period so a flop? i think not !!!

[JokesOnYou]

sonykids jumped on those flawed sales from vg chartz and called ME a flop, later micro and reveals it sold over a 1 mil in 3 weeks, now we have NPD showing ME in fact sold very well but unfortunately Uncharted so far has bombed miserably. Whats worse even in Sony's own backyard micro has a better attatch rate, sony exclusives dont sell very well anywhere, you could say it was a "fluke" if it only happened with 1 big budget exclusive, but its a noticeable TREND now, yet sonykids are foolish enough to criticize a 360 game with any hint of just decent sales, when will they learn? aaahhh the Cold, Hard, Brutal Hand of Irony keeps SMACKING THE SH!T OUT OF SONYKIDS these days, you poor little kids, you've been taking one helluva beating this whole year I'm starting to feel sorry for you.=

JOY

[jerkstore]

Do you ever get a chance to play any games?

[ParaDise_LosT]

I saw Drakes commercial 5x more than I saw Rock Bands commercial and Halo 3s Belive commercial....

I absolutly have no clue what sony is doing wrong.....
The new Ps3 ADs Rock i like the music, presentation and everything...
But still nobody wants to buy the system or the games.....

In NA atleast :P

[DJ]

The PS3's sales jumped 400% because of the price drop and those kickass commercials, and games like Uncharted have actually been selling very well. One in six PS3 owners in the U.S. purchased Call of Duty 4, so that figure alone says a lot.

[socomnick]

Wow this game floped it deserved a better its a good game. I think Naughty dog should try making a xbox game so they can recuperate their losses.

[Mr_Kuwabara]

As a PS3 owner I feel dissapointed on how low this game has been selling. We'll see if Uncharted recuperates in the charts in the near future.

[eagle21]

WW: Mass Effect: 770k Uncharted: 360k U.S. 232k, 1 day EU 112k and JP: 40k. Waiting for launch week EU numbers. This game has legs and won't stop selling (sold 50k in U.S. last week). Astro: get a life.

[cmrbe]

That a truly great game like uncharted didn't do too well initially but i believe this game as well as RC will do well in the long run just like Resistance. I think Dec we will see 300k plus sales for uncharted.

[BLaZiN PRopHeT]

uncharted launched in UK and it debuted at 23 on the charts

http://www.chart-track.co.u...

[Ju]

...and is the second best selling PS3 title after CoD4, before - surprise - EA's NFS:Pro (which sells overall good in EU), and way ahead of AC.

Why do we even talk about numbers here ? The second best selling 360 game and overall #3 in the US charts is (tata tata) Marvel:Ultimate Alliance. Must be THE top title, then. No ?

[Skater]

The install base for the PS3 is just too low for single player only games to do well. Why did COD4 do well on the PS3? The online is superb and the developers actually took the time to create something worth buying. I'm sure Uncharted is a blast to play and I'll be getting the game for Christmas. Assassin's Creed, a single player game, also did pretty well on PS3 but only because it was hyped to death and was first announced on PS3. Nevertheless, the 360 version sold way more copies, unsurprisingly. I think most PS3 owners just rent exclusive single player games because they don't have much faith in them. Nevertheless, 117k is US sales only, so worldwide it will eventually hit 1M.

[Bladestar]

That's to be expected.. not everyone that owns a PS3 use it to play games... lots of them are just being used as blu-ray players.. others as web servers....

(see pictures) how many of these PS3 will ever use a controller let alone contribute to the attach rate...

Hurry! buy your cheap web servers model before Sony goes bankrupt! Since most of the money they are losing on hardware will not be made back selling software... and trust me.. it does not matter how well Metal Gear, Final Fantasy and Kill Zone 2 sell... 3 games will not help with all the money they are spending on big budget titles like this one, Lair, others and the hardware...

[jerkstore]

Down to 3 bubbles? Let me see what else I can do for all the beautiful arguments and logic you displayed above.

Christ.

[Ju]

Webserver...you are such an idiot. Do you even know what that is ?

Your first picture in your attachment are the dedicated 79 Warhawk servers which happen to be PS3 to host the couple of 100K players. The second is a rack which Sony usually uses at shows and was last seen at the E3 2006 and housed PS3 dev stations to play games...webserver. idiot.

[OOG FunK]

meh uncharted is doing ok....I didnt expect it to kill in sales...im sure eventually it will pass the 1 mill mark just not very fast....

But ah well what can ya do lol

*lol what the hell are people disagreeing with me about?? my opinion? lol

[Bombomb]

PS3's only spike in sales due to the sku smoke and mirror price drops.

a)PS3's user-base [whatever that may be?] a lot of it consists of non gamers looking for a cheap blu-ray thrill, with many having seconds around the house. The fact is we really do not know who is really buying games?

b)I'm sure everyone and their momma on here swear they own like 6+ games...riiight. If it took you that long to even afford a PS3 I doubt you have 6+ games...

c)software sales is what Developers look at early on. not potential and promises. devs have to deliver and see their hardwork come into fruitation. Why spend 20 million on a game for it to sell 550K copies in its life time? That alot of money lost. It becomes a risk rather then reward. Fanboys think like a developer/publisher.

d)This is what Sony gets. I mean they will do better when big 3rd party titles come out but if first party is not selling as well, you cannot pin your hopes on 3 big games that really don't attract everyone or the masses.[FF, KX Ok maybe MGS but what else is there, if a top game like uncharted is not selling sh$t, how can you expect or claim others games will?

Sony SPLIT the market and we are seeing the repercussions. Like Square said you into gaming or movie watching SONY? Get your head out your @ss like your fanboy followers.

Everything that has been a staple for success is gone

-Ken the fathers is long gone
-"Sony recently ditched their advertising agency, TBWA, who they'd partnered with for over 10 years."
-Backwords compatibility on affordable sku's gone..
-Many exclusives gone..
-Humble is gone, in with Arrogance
-Gamers jumping in, yup there gone also
-Hogging all the devs, well thats changed

Atleast we have blu-ray.

[Milkman541]

"Why spend 20 million on a game for it to sell 550K copies in its life time?"

If that game sold for $60 and it sold 550,000 copies...

That is over $30 million in sales...

[P4KY B]

Yes it is

BUT

The retailer gets a slice
Sony gets a slice
The publisher gets a slice
etc.

The devs do not get the whole $30 million. Therefore they make a loss.

[PimpHandHappy]

These first year games will all continue to sell. They wont beat Halo but some will sell a million b4 this time next year

Uncharted is my bet

anyway

I dont know if ppl buying a PS3 are just buying it for a blueray player. Its the holiday season and there was a ton of great games to choose from and along with the price of the PS3 and everything else i dont expect those 400,000 plus PS3's sold to be buying games so soon.

[eagle21]

And outsold 360 WW? But since Uncharted moved 400k (and can't wait to add EU) in less than 1 month: It has a problem? man please. 360 has a serious problem in japan.

[Bombomb]

im sick of fanboys posting crap....your not helping the sony cause.

Your feable little minds cannot look at the big picture, software sales are important, yet your bashing the 360 for doing poor in japan when the ps3 is hardly doing that well in it's own back yard.

Hows the 360 doing in it's backyard...

look at it from a developers/publisher's POV instead a feable weak minded fanboys..

[otherZinc]

another overrated PS game just bombed.

There are no AAA games for the PS3.

[Xbox is the BEST]

the PS#3 has 2 "AAA" games they are called COD4 and Oblivion

[Big Jim]

I can't believe that the worst video game I have ever played, Mass Effect, is outselling Uncharted. Granted, Uncharted is a better rental than a purchase because it has no replay value at all, but it is still infinitely better than that abomination Mass Effect. What has the world come to? Every copy of Mass Effect should be melted down and recycled.

[DJ]

they tend to sell extremely well.

[ukilnme]

@schopenhauer
Just admit it, you are just upset that the 360 is enjoying great software sales. You say Mass Effect is the worst game you ever played? Yeah right, I doubt you played it in the first place.

@DJ
Your BS never stops. Four big titles for the 360 huh? You blind a$$ Sony Fanboys claim everything is big on PS3 yet they don't sell to well. WTF?

[Boldy]

you sound like a writer for sonydefenceforce.com

[eagle21]

Just cause Uncharted didn't get an npd top ten in America, 360 fanboys want to act almighty. Go buy Eternal Sonata (170k) Blue Dragon and PGR4 (140k) cause Uncharted is actually moving units.

[DJ]

Eagle21 is spot-on. Uncharted is selling VERY well, as is Ratchet & Clank. The Warhawk figures are also small because something like 65~70% of users purchased it online (it's downloadable from PSN). It's actually the main reason Warhawk is such a quiet game online; can't exactly download a headset.

[mboojigga]

Even when facts are pointed out, you see the blindness that comes from what we call DENIAL.

[solar]

great game, sucks to see it not doing well. its like Okami, you want it to do great but it falls short. hopefully the wii gets interest on the great Okami and sony can stir up some interest on the great Uncharted.

[bootsielon]

Sold 400,000 when it had achievements, better scores, thrice the hype and twice the installed base.

Anyway, Sony "just" needs to sell half a million or so to break even. Besides, it's new IP. As soon as Sony implements trophies and home, things are poised to change. I still think that Uncharted would have done a lot better had it had an online mode.

[osirisomeomi]

It's disappointing that this has happened. I really think that Sony needs to push these games outside of hardcore gaming circles where the money is.

[ROCCOZILLA]

this game is like playing a movie.the grafics and sound were awsum.this is a must have game.JUMP OUT,PLAY BEYOND!

[atlys]

sony's problem is they have an identity crisis. even square's president has pointed it out, is the ps3 about movies or games? when the ps3 first launched i remember reading a story that said devs needed to sell at least 500,000 copies to recover development costs before they would see any profit. how can any developer expect to do that when they've got to launch their AAA title against special BOGO sales in an ongoing format war that is competing for the same audience? i call it the blu ray effect. what sony needs to do is re-prioritize. the playstation brand is associated with videogames, not movies. for them to market it in such a manner is confusing to the average consumer and irrespective of the gamers that have made the playstation brand what it is today. blu ray has enough steam to handle itself, sony needs to focus more on the ps3 as a game console.

[DJ]

The PS3 is the best Entertainment System; it does everything well. It's not like one feature has to be superior over the other (music, games, photos, internet, movies, etc).

[FirstknighT]

It's official...the ps3 is selling as a bluray player first and gaming console last. I seen it happen many times at Best Buy. Employees tell the customers to buy the ps3 instead of the more expensive bluray players. Sony might have success with their bluray format but bombed big time with gaming software.

[solar]

so, you want to kiss again? this time ill let you lead?

[hardcorehippiez]

i bought my ps3 as a bluray player initially,i had an xbox360 for games . but guess what now i buy games and im sure others will as well esp. more and more who are gettin a ps3 now because their 360 has crapped out on them.and another point just because a game doesnt sell well at release it doesnt mean it wont sell throughout the cycle of the consoles life, so for all the new playstation3's being sold now its another great title for people to buy no matter what way you xbots try to spin it.

[Kururo]

tsk tsk, oh well that just means less people experienced this amazing game.

[ApocalypseShadow]

360 fanboys keep saying why are ps3 big budget games not selling well compared to 360 big budget games.

but here's the thing:did any of you consider that there aren't that many ps3s in america compared to 360?or ps3 systems sold in general worldwide?ps3 is sitting somewhere between 2 and 3 million in america.how do stupid fanboys expect a game like uncharted to sell 4 million in america when there aren't that many ps3s?and even then,not everyone likes this type of game.i do.which i why i bought it.

not everyone knows about the game
can't afford the game
are renting the game
aren't old enough to play the game
or haven't bought the system yet

360 games in america sell well(SHOOTERS),because there are more systems sold in america than any other country.with games that cater to "ONE" audience.this audience love SHOOTERS.

call of duty,gears,halo,etc.,sell to the same gotd@mn people who either love first person shooters,or migrated from PC to play first person shooters without upgrading their PCs.

over 100,000 sold for uncharted is great for the time it has been out,and the amount of ps3s in america.but ask these same haters why
kameo,viva pinata,bullet witch,simpsons,sega rally,top spin,tony hawk wasteland,etc,etc,etc. didn't sell like halo3,gears,call of duty,they won't be able to come up with EXCUSES why thoses games didn't sell in the millions.or in the first month.

but ps3 fans know.360 gamers buy more shooters than any other type of game.how many of those xbox live arcade games sold in the millions like gears and halo?the numbers would be just the same.LOW!!!

for the amount of ps3's sold,uncharted is doing fine.the fact that there is a high attachment rate for 360 means the same gamers are buying the same type of games.and system sales aren't increasing to lower the attachment to where it's supposed to be.secondly,

"HOW MANY GAMES ARE THERE ON 360?"

then ask yourselves,"HOW MANY SOLD OVER A MILLION COPIES?"

and.....because i'm not finished,"WHY DIDN'T EVERY GAME ON 360 SELL ABOUT 13 TO 14 MILLION COPIES?360 fanboys buy games.

HOW COME YOU XBOTS DIDN'T BUY THEM ALL?EVERY GAME?

seems that you FUD spreading fanboys don't buy every game either on 360.you're attachment rates are only up because you buy the same gotd@mn style of game:SHOOTERS.can't wait to see banjo 3 numbers.

mag lev....................

[Figboy]

if maybe, perhaps Gamestop employees would actually *LEARN about what new titles are coming out for the PS3, instead of constantly pimping 360s.

i went into the Gamestop my roommate works at before Uncharted and Eye of Judgment released, and i asked if i could pre-order them.

the guy didn't even know what i was talking about.

"is it a 360 game?" he asked.

i was like, "No, they're Playstation 3 titles. exclusives." he had a blank look on his face, then proceeded to try and get me to subscribe to a stupid magazine and get a Wii.

if people weren't such ignorant fanboys, the gaming industry would be infinitely healthier.

it's unfortunate when truly quality, damn near classic games get overlooked for no reason other than ignorance, and some fanboyism.

from Beyond Good and Evil, to Ico, to Psychonauts and Ratchet and Clank Future and Uncharted, it's disheartening to see these games overlooked because the average gamer would much rather get the latest Madden, or >insert crappy licensed game from Activision or EA here<.

Uncharted is a *FANTASTIC game, that all PS3 owners should pick up. since it just released in Europe and i think, Japan, hopefully sales will be better, and as we go into the Christmas season, maybe new Playstation 3 owners will pick it up. along with Ratchet and Clank Future; two of the best games i've played on my PS3 this year.

*EDIT - Granted, Uncharted *DID release in the US on November 20th, and if these are simply NPD numbers for November, it's no wonder that the sales aren't gigantic, it was out for only 1 1/2 weeks in November. i expect December's numbers to be better for the game.

[KingJames1906]

I have to disagree with you on the Uncharted being out for one and a half weeks on your edit. The game came out before Thanksgiving and there's a reason that the day after Thanksgiving is called "Black Friday" and that's due to it being the busiest shopping day of the year. Most people wait for Black Friday to see what the sales/ specials are and don't buy anything until that day expecting sales/ specials. I didn't see any sales or specials on Uncharted, but I did see plenty of sales/ specials for Call of Duty 4 and Assassin's Creed which is why I believe those games did so well one both systems for November. I have Uncharted and I love the game. But I fault Sony, they should have introduced the price at 49.99, because if your going to introduce your best game at the busiest time of the year, with all the competition between multi console games like; COD4, GH3, Rock Band, and Assassin's Creed. It was just to much and Uncharted got drowned out. I will say this, its a great time to be a gamer. I'm on vacation until Jan 2nd so I have plenty to keep me busy.

[tk]

Uncharted was released in South Africa yesterday - only a few shop had it - actually - only one of the lot that I visited had it - others are expecting it next week Wednesday.

The graphics in this game is better than anything else. Did any of you also just run around in the water just to see the ripple effects? There is some screen tearing issues - but that is only if you are looking for it - wife and kids did not notice it - but I tend to sometimes look at the top of the screen for any hint of tearing.

Anyway - the animation is amazing. The character when left hanging from a ledge will do all kinds of things - looks like he is trying to rest one arm, shifts around, the other character walks around when nothing is happening etc. They must have spend quite a bit of time on the animations for this game.

- Buy this game. Even if you just run a round the water pools to admire the water effects it is worth it.

[DJ]

As soon as I hit the stream in the first jungle segment, I was rolling around in the water. I'm still not sure how they pulled off the water physics, because it looks like actual geometry being moved instead of just fancy shaders.

[JokesOnYou]

It seems they went deep in the sony manual to find reasons and excuses for Uncharted's low sales. It is what is just let it go, if you have the game enjoy it, if you don't and YOU are also on this thread using excuses from the sony manual then shame on you. Go buy the fcking game! 'cause Stuff like: "why didn't kameo,viva pinata,bullet witch,simpsons,sega rally,top spin,tony hawk sell like Halo3?" clearly shows you are on the last page of the Loyal Sonykids Manual looking for excuses under the "Desperation" chapter. ha ha pa pa please get a new updated edition because that one doesn't even pass the laugh test= well Iam lmfao, @ the maglev shadow kid=

JOY

[thepill88]

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[tomfoolery]

Mag is seriously reaching at this point in his Sony-trolling career.
Hey Mag,
why don't you just knock it off along with your other Sony pals,
jump ship to a GAMES console?
You delusional little droid ya.
When will Blew Ray movie watchers........ur......I mean gamers like you ever get a clue?
That must be it!
You're not a gamer.
No........you're nothing but a blind Playstation refugee
on a mission to smoke some Sony pole.
Well,I know you've heard it before but here it is again,
JUMP IN.
Quit PLAYING BEHIND.
Just think what Uncharted Drakes Forehead could have sold on the 360?

You know Naughty Dog is! HAHA lol.

Tom,
Sonyf@g slayer.

[Wii60_FTW]

yet ANOTHER flop? Damn. Fony can't catch a break!

[Odion]

every day everyone on the main site sounds more and more like a commercial or a PR press release.

Stop saying Play Beyond, or Jump In, or This is living, it makes you look like a tool.

Its like fighting with someone that likes Adidas over Nike and saying just do it at the end

[Bolts]

This type of thread is a great indication of your gaming creed. I don't give a damn how well Uncharted is selling because its a great game pure and simple. If it bomb out in sales or moved 500K or not is totally irrelavant because I own both the 360 and PS3. They compliment each other really well and keep each other honest.

The day either the Microsoft or Sony win the console war is the day when real gamers lose. The winner will RAPE and squeeze their fanboys for every nickle and dime.

[Genki]

then you probably SHOULD care about sales. Remember Legacy of Kain? The director of those games ditched it for the most recent installment, and guess where she works now...Naughty Dog, and worked on Uncharted.

LoK has a pretty loyal fanbase, like any quality title would, but it will probably never get the conclusion it deserves and that's probably because of financial reasons.

If your favorite franchises don't sell well, then don't expect the franchise to last long, it's as simple as that.

You don't have to be a fanboy or a troll to genuinely care about sales, but it is indeed too bad that they like to twist it so that they can continue peddling their little agendas.

[Genki]

Sony needs to spend money MARKETING their games.

The same may very well happen to Killzone, as much as we all don't wanna hear that. There hasn't been a single teaser advertisement for this game anywhere. It's on the life support of internet buzz right now, and based on the performance of Uncharted and Ratchet, that's not nearly enough. The enthusiast community certainly doesn't represent the majority here.

Until they ramp up their marketing and advertisements, this trend is here to stay.

We've got more than a bankable install base now with 7 million. Even if 1 million of those were from the Blu-Ray crowd, 6 or even 5 is nothing to scoff at. They need to get the word out to their audience, and as much as I love my system and it's games, Sony is doing a piss-poor job in this regard.

[achira]

uncharted is the best single player game this year. everyone who played it knows it. the presentation of the game is cinema like, graphics are the best, and gameplay is unbeatable. of course it will not sell more than the "big" titles of the 360, because in america there are 3 times more 360 customers. but if you see the wordwide numbers this changes.

[wageslave]

What is wrong with you sony fanboys?

Look, this "everyone who played it knows its the best single player game of the year" statement just smacks of stupid.

The PROFESSIONAL press has already played the game and made their opinion known. Your Statement is like pissing on our leg and telling us its raining.

We *know* that the opinion of the People Who Have Played it have already told you it is NOT "the best" game.

It has 8.9 / 10 at Metacritic. Other single player games have better scores, Bioshock (9.6 / 10) and Mass Effect (9.1 / 10) and Mario Galaxy (9.7 / 10) quickly come to mind as games that ARE REGARDED as better games.

See? See how that works? You're statement is just pure, unadulterated, stupidity. Just flatly wrong. Inaccurate. And, the most obvious testament to your fanboyism.

You're entitled to say "my favorite game" -- but you are just WRONG to say Uncharted is a "best game". Its a good game, but not "best game".

I mean really, you *CANT* really believe that do you? Get a grip man.

[AliC]

I may have missed something but do these numbers take into consideration that Uncharted was only recently released in Europe, where as mass effect was released in America and Europe at the same time.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

NPD = North America sales (and Canada when indicated)

[to407]

Ps3 owners, stop waxing lyrical about how Uncharted it the best game .shut up please. they come on here and they tell us how good it is , then if that is the case go out and buy the game.Most of them dont even have uncharted at home.These ps3 owners just dont buy/play games, do they?. They are only interested in a cheap Blu-ray, Sony did market the ps3 as a Blu-ray player instead of more emphasis on the fact that it's a video game console(hence the sacking of their advertising agency)

[robep3]

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

EXTRACT FROM THIS.

PlayStation 3 may be commonly pinned as a Blu-ray platform, but that doesn't mean those owners aren't interested in actually playing games; the 444,000 copies of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare sold on PS3 last month are a testament to this. In arguably the month's biggest disappointment, Naughty Dog's PS3 debut, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, not only failed to show up in the top ten software sales for November, but only managed 117,000 sales, according to the NPD Group, during the two weeks it was available last month.

[Drillin]

As far as Uncharted well at least the name fits it really went Uncharted on the charts.
I think this shows that Sony's first party developers are not as strong as the PS3 users want to think they are. All of the first party games bomb in sales.Uncharted,Lair,Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank and so on have all had very bad sales. The general game buyers have spoken and they seem to not care to much about Sony first party developers. For the most part only the 3rd party games have sold well and even then they do not come close to the 360 sales.
This is a bad sign for Sony because the PS3 always like to say how it was the first party developers that would make Sony win the console race.

[Frank K]

Hi I'm new Here and I've been reading the comments and the only person that is right is Mag-Lev.If you stop being a fanboy for a second and read what he said and disreguard some of his flamebait comments.Then you will see he was correct.Their are only 2 or 2.5 million PS3's in North America.so if you look at Drake's fortune sale numbers it's around 117K,now thats around 5% of the PS3 userbase here in America.Now look at Mass Effect Sale Number it's around 430k,now look at the 360 userbase it's around 8.5-9 Million here in America thats roughly around 5% of the 360 userbase.So the truth is if the PS3 had around 8.5-9 Million here in north America Drake's Fortune would have sold around the amount as Mass Effect.

[ApocalypseShadow]

that fanboys expect ps3 sales to be the same as 360 one year in.it doesn't make sense.

360 fanboys jump on the next bandwagon FUD every week.

no rumble
1080p,hdmi and larger hard drive not being needed
ps3s overheating after the tokyo game show before launch
ports of 360 games to ps3 consitantly made by the notorious EA.
waiting for games
ps3 being a bluray player when it plays nothing else but bluray ps3 games.
ps3 doesn't have games
ps3 gamers don't buy enough games.

every week,there is NEW FUD.new FUD.all the other crap has been shot down and corrected.so now it's "ps3 gamers don't buy "enough" games.first it was we don't have any.now it's we don't buy enough.but the attach rate continues to climb.

from 1.to 2 to 3 to 3.5.keeps on climbing for a system that doesn't have games.must be buying something.uncharted could be one of them.

i mean,i could spread FUD too.360's attachment rate for games to systems is 6.5.so let me.........think......taps feet.........taps finger on computer desk.......

here is the list of games ALL 360 gamers have in their collection:

1)HALO3.yup.you ALL got this one in america.you waited 2 years for 640p goodness.and now it's a forgotten game.shot the load too soon.sounds like the 360 hardware.

2)CALL OF DUTY 2.all of you started off with this one.don't lie.

3)CALL OF DUTY 4.yes indeedy.360 fanboys got this one.you needed to answer the CALL again because number 2 was the only good launch game next to the low resolution pgr3.

4)GEARS OF WAR.how could you not get this one?it was hyped as the best game ever.best graphics.blood.couldn't be done on ps3.but wait,UT3 looks better and is on ps3.so......gears could be easily on ps3.what do you know.unreal engine 3 works on the low memory ps3.

am i warm?should i continue?........lets.what could be the last game 360 fanboys got to equal 6.5 after 2 years?

hmmmmmm.......number 5 could be dead rising.there's shooting in there.lost planet?there's shooting in there.rainbow 6?could be that too.people shoot in that game.mass effect?rpg shooting,star trek,babylon5,star wars goodness right there.might be that.

we KNOW number 6 is bioshock.don't lie.you were singing the praises of this offline,no multiplayer for a FPS,short game.it replaced the trade-ins of perfect dark,prey,quake4,and any other shooter bought in america for 360.

and the .5?we will give you a choice between assassin's creed,crackdown(because you were duped in buying it just to get a chance to play halo3 early),blue dragon(because you want us to really believe you buy games other than shooters),ace combat(you want us to believe that sony franchises sell better on 360 than ps3).

pick a .5 game.it doesn't matter.it's just .5.a meaningless addition to the 6 shooters every 360 gamer has.

yup.i can spread FUD too.but my FUD might be true.............

mag lev........................... ..

[N4GayFanturds]

Do ya think you could stop spewing yours & stay on topic?

[sleepbox]

MS has realized what gamers want and it's NOT old PS brand-type games...hence why R&C and Uncharted has flopped. I only see FF as a series making a big console sales impact for PS3 and possibly GT but MGS has never been a system seller.

Uncharted, in particular, does NOTHING besides nice graphics to stand out...it's merely a pale mish-mash of pop-and-shoot/prince of persia/tomb raider/pitfall with no true original gameplay elements.

[MK_Red]

Well, all fanboy wars and rants aside, it's sad to see a great game like Uncharted selling less than it should.

[N4GayFanturds]

Why is BluRay is outselling HD-DVD. Why aren't the AAA titles (both reviewed & portrayed) selling millions on PS3? Sales aren't even mediocre for the amt of PS3 owners. It's dismal.

Hmmm.....

And when y'all finally get a game that's equivelant to the 360 version (CoD4) - you STILL don't buy it!

[felidae]

Uncharted = best game ever!

[robep3]

Have a read here you MUPPET

http://www.1up.com/do/newsS...

EXTRACT FROM THIS.

PlayStation 3 may be commonly pinned as a Blu-ray platform, but that doesn't mean those owners aren't interested in actually playing games; the 444,000 copies of Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare sold on PS3 last month are a testament to this. In arguably the month's biggest disappointment, Naughty Dog's PS3 debut, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, not only failed to show up in the top ten software sales for November, but only managed 117,000 sales, according to the NPD Group, during the two weeks it was available last month.

PLEASE NOTE YOU MORON ONLY AVAILABLE FOR 2 WEEKS OF THE MONTH
117,000 NOT BAD FOR 2 WEEKS.

What about the sales for COD4 THE ONE WE DIDN'T BUY ACCORDING TO YOU
ALMOST HALF A MILLION AND WE STILL BOUGHT ENOUGH BLU RAY TO KICK
HD DVD in the NUTZ as well LOL.

Rob

[TrooGamer]

Simple mate:

DragunBallz talks Ballz

[MadM2000]

I think the main reason why some AAA games are failing to sell well is the lack of online multiplayer feature.

The sale numbers of Heavenly sword, Ratchet and Clank and Now Uncharted compared to COD4, Warhawk, Resistance, and MotorStorm clearly show that PS3 owners now DEMAND Online play feature in any game they buy.

That factor will decide how successful games will be from now on. Not the graphics, sound, production values...etc and I'm glad that the online version of Metal Gear will be bundled with the MGS4!

GT5 BIGGEST mistake will be the missing Online feature ( it will come out later as a patch )

Sony has to realize that before its TOO LATE!

DON'T RELEASE ANY AAA GAME WITHOUT ONLINE PLAY! Delay the games if needed...

[TrooGamer]

GT5 has online mate as does Prologue!

Get your facts right. Other than that it does seem to be the case.

Online = sales

Shame really!

[tatotiburon]

Bioshock doesn't have online feautures and sold out...PS3 users demands more movies, xbox users buys a lot of games, great support

[Baba1906]

i dont care how many copies they sell, i just know one thing. its one of the best games this year and its full of surprises you wouldnt have thought. like the gameplay change in the last part. just amazing. i was like yay die you bastards !!!!

[UltramanJ]

Uncharted, a brand new franchise mind you, managed to sell 170,000 units in what, 8-9 days? The title of this thread seems to try and spin this as if Uncharted failed to sell for an entire month.
Uncharted will most likely join Resistance as a million seller in time because it's the type of game that new PS3 owners and current PS3 owners will eventually buy. Hell, it's the type of game xbots would buy if it were on the 360. Well, maybe not since it doesn't have space marines.

[tatotiburon]

agree because xbox users actually buy games, they enjoy their gaming console and support the devs...PS3 doesn't buy games, only movies thats why a great game like uncharted flops

[dzg4ever]

... the game was in stores 10 days in november and they say it is bad result. WOW, more great anti-sony news. Another big disaster for sony and ps3 owners, give me a brake!
Fu(king MS lovers!

[name]

Uncharted is already in the 300,000 range(Nice way to only count american numbers which uncharted was only available for 2 weeks in)

Ratchet has passed 500,000(and it's selling faster than the last ratchet and clank on PS2)

Call of duty 4 is almost at a million as well as Assassin's Creed

Get a f*cking life.

[name]

Also, it's noteworthy that xbox fanatisists are calling Uncharted a "great game" now. Before it was just "dude raider" now it's just omfgz why aren't ps3' owners buying this great game? What do you change your opinions based on what gives you the ability to flame a console you don't own and claim not to care about?

[Sarick]

Sales aren't that horrible, you need to consider the market is currenty flooded with games now and for most players this means money is spread thin across multiple platforms. The prices these days for games limits most people into choosing one game a month. This normally means buy what their most interested in or what's popular first.

It's also seems like the high tech of this gen is attracting the wrong audience. First off you have casual gamers, hardcore gamers and techead gamers.

If you haven't already guessed it the PS3 seems to be more marketed to the techead gamers. Wii is targeting the casual gamers and 360 is targeting casual and hardcore.

So's what does this have to do with this topic? It's simple if you think about it. People who are into specs and features over games are less likely to buy games for entertainment. Techeads are interested in raw specs comparing one console to another buying what has the biggest baddest etc etc etc.

The disappointing issue here is they only buy games casually. DF is outstanding but still considered optional in the eyes of a techead. These are the people that just like to say. "Look I have a bad ass console!" as their buddies look on thinking "Yea, so why didn't yo buy any games".

Consider that action adventure isn't for everyone. I can understand why this game isn't selling to everyone but R&C! Even if you don't like R&C it's worth picking up. Maybe developer need to rethink the $60 game tag and pull back to $39-$49 games.

IMHO PS3 has a low attach rate because a lot of people are interested in features then games when buying a console. This is the wrong audience to target if your trying to make a profit off the game licence royalties.

[mboojigga]

You really have no clue what you are talking about. The price and being a "techhead" has nothing to do with it. The worst game on the 360 sales better than the PS3 game. Hell the best games that are availble on both consoles are sold better on the 360 and this has nothing to do with the fact that the lead platform is the 360. I bet you anything Unreal will not come in #1 in software sales. I say that because no one is buying the games for the system. The excuses I have heard this past year is this.

Wait until Fall and we will see systems moving. Past and nothing has changed.

Wait until Uncharted and Rachet they will move systems. Past and look what we have going on no one is buying those "system movers"

Now here we are with wait until 2008 like that is guranteed to be better than what is happening today.

Let see how Burnout does in the beginning of Jan which will sale more on the 360 even though the PS3 was the lead console. Developers are going to see this continue trend and see that they can't keep taking chances forever. They want to see returns and they see this with the 360.

Bottom line is the 360 is the new PS3.

People are buying the PS3 due to the price drop and new sku not because of the games. Who knows what customer bought it for a game console or the ever growing Blu-ray console.

Not looking good. Look at the software sales for the past year and you keep telling yourself it is because it was bought for "techheads"

Give me a fu*king break.

[Snukadaman]

Just like the july price drop for ps3...there was a spike in sales and after awhile it went back too being terrible. The exact thing will happen after the holidays.

[Fototherapist]

Let's all wait until after Christmas to make any real judgments. I think the holiday buying season is just now getting into full swing, and I noticed that COD4 for PS3 had a price reduction on Amazon and was #3 in video game sales. Give it more time.

[Lord Cheese]

fact is, the only reason i bought uncharted was the hype on this site. I would never have heard of it otherwise. That suggests to me that sony really didnt put much into the marketing of the title. If i'm honest, i've not seen a great deal of coverage of any ps3 games other than heavenly sword (on tv at least). Obviously you tend to see more coverage for multiplatform titles, but m$ seems more active in mass advertising than sony does.

In the end, sales dont make any difference to whether or not i enjoy a game, but to be honest sony would be well advised to push their big titles harder - big sales attract developers, which bring games.

[prowiew]

I didn't buy uncharted because I hated the demo. But I was expecting much better sales of the game. It was touted as the best game for ps3 this year, got great reviews and got a lot of tv commercials. Everyone got to admit is a little disappointing. But hey maybe there were a lot of people like me that didn't like the game and rent the game.

[Dannagar]

Xbox 360 sells to more educated individuals and likely has a demographic of consumers with higher IQ's than Playstation 3 users. Xbox 360 users likely have better paying jobs. Where as your average Playstation 3 users (likely in their teens to early 20's) would be the retard High School drop out that is working at Wal-Mart or Mc Donalds. If I were a gambling man, I'd say that the average Playstation 3 owner still lives at home with their mothers.

[AliC]

Thanks for applying that I am retarded and can only work in Mc Donalds, oh wait I have a good paying job i'm not in my teens and I have lots of qualifications.

[Bonsai1214]

hilarious, considering its "demographic."

[Nuch Vader]

That's a pretty good point. I don't think that most Playstation 3 users realize that they have low IQ's.

[gamehendge]

"Xbox 360 users likely have better paying jobs."

yeah, the people making more money are buying the cheaper console and the people with no money are getting their parents to buy the more expensive console. [eye roll]

So segamer, I guess becoming a Mensa canidate is something you won't have to worry about.

[hardcorehippiez]

your ass ? im 34 and everyone i know with a ps3 is in or around that age have families and other commitments. im not saying that younger doesnt buy them or get them bought for them but thats not represented by your demograph analysis.

[IronAva]

So what are you going to do when Sony becomes #1 (if they ever do)? Jump up and down , set the streets on fire.... Number one , number 2 or 3 does not matter with this group of systems. You want to know why.... because Nintendo Wii does not have the power for big titles. In short that means that even if Sony or Microsoft is number one they still will have the same GAMES! I own all three systems and although I like my PS3 I really love my 360. All the big titles that came out for PS3 I own them. The same goes for 360 as well. People play games not systems. All this fighting about who is the best is lame because Sony or Microsoft does not care as long as they get our money.

[KingJames1906]

I have Uncharted and I LOVED IT! I will say this about the PS3 games I've played (Uncharted and Heavenly Sword.) Their kind of short on game play (7-8 hours.) I bought my Uncharted used on November 23rd (And there were a couple more at the Games Stop I frequent.) So my purchase probably did not register on NPD's chart.

I think PS3's issue is that Sony cannibalizes it's own sales between $25 to $35 Blu-ray movies and $60 PS3 Games. All I hear on this site is that Blu-ray outsold HD-DVD 72-23. Since there are more stand alone HD-DVD players than stand alone Blu-ray players naturally most PS3 users are using it more for a Blu-ray player than a games machine. That's how I use my PS3. And another thing. For all the Sony fanboys out there, please stop using the defense that the 360 came out a full year before the PS3 so the 360 numbers are higher for software sales crap. The Wii came out a week before or after the PS3 (I can't remember.) But my point is that the Wii has already passed the 360 in terms of user base IN LESS THAN ONE YEAR. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo made business decisions and executed on that business strategy. Microsoft rushed the 360 out and suffered a PR nightmare and had to extend their warranties of all 360's sold. Sony priced their console out of the market only to introduce multiple SKU's at a lower price 6 to 8 months later and did not focus on games till later in the year. Nintendo priced their console to be affordable and with innovative controls and they can't keep them stocked as the demand is so high. The console manufactures have no one to blame but themselves if they are successful or not.

[atlys]

thanks for an intelligent post amidst all the fanboy ignorance.

[ROCCOZILLA]

people want more out of a system then just to play games.2 or 3 years ago that was cool,now if you dont play games on blu ray or have a internet browser,or have HOME your just yesterdays news.blu ray movies rule.hey PS3 owners see you on the other side.xbots good riddins.PLAY B3YOND!

[HondaSIRowner]

Either way the game is AAA and it will do well this Christmas waiting under those trees to be opened and enjoyed.

Also if the average PS3 gamer wants FPS games they will be waiting for UT3 HAZE and KZ2.

[Aunty]

Well, it´s a shame that it didnt sell better, but hey it isnt over yet! and it has only been out for a couple of weeks, or actually only 10 days in Europe, its not out in Japan right? and in US? in the end of November right?

Its a great game anyhow, bad for Naughty Dog, good for us. Cause they have given us a fantastic game, GOTY 2007, if it wasnt for the The Orange Box, offcourse.

[kornbeaner]

you guys gotta buy more games. 117,000 doesn't impress anyone. For all the sh!t talking that most of you do about FPS's that all that seems to sell no matter what system its on. 117,000 for Drake and 400,000+ for C.o.D. 4, theres something wrong with that picture. I've played both games and own both games and by far I've enjoyed my time with uncharted a lot more. CoD's single player was Okay at best and their multiplayer is fun but it seems that no matter what game I join there always that one person that thinks he's the second coming of Jesus until he taste the end of my Scorpion. So the fact that people won't STFU kind of ruins the experience (thats the only thing I like about Live, The mute button). So PS3 owner stop being f'n hypocrites
"all there is to play on 360 is FPS" well if thats the case FPS's seem to be the only thing that sell on the PS3. Dont believe me, just look at the numbers CoD4 400,000+ all other PS3 games have debuted at about 100,000. I bet when the UT3 numbers are released it will probabley sell more then Uncharted as well which is just sad.

My Current list of owned PS3 games: CoD 4, Ratchet and Clank, Drake, Warhawk and NHL 2K7 (last Season).

[zonetrooper5]

I really want Mass Effect for my 360 but I do not want to buy Uncharted for my PS3. I played the demo on my PS3 and I was not impressed, gameplay wise I felt it was ok and graphics wise it was good but not the greatest I've ever seen. I got spoiled by Crysis's graphics.

I will probaly get disagrees from many because I didn't think that Uncharted was that impressive. This is my opinion and I would rather get Mass Effect for my 360. I do want Killzone 2 and MGS4 for the PS3 next year and maybe Haze.

[sonyfanonly]

GIVE IT TIME WHEN CHRISTMAS PASSES THEN LETS LOOK AT THE NUMBERS

[2 cents]

Thats the problem with Uncharted, at first is like "this is it" but than by the time you have finished it is like "WOW". Belive me, once you get started with it you just can`t put it down. The story is brilliant, the gameplay is brilliant. You wont go wrong with this one, no1 had.

[Lord Cheese]

cant say i agree to be honest, uncharted, in my opinion, is no more than ok. I found R&C to be far more of a "must play" game - uncharted doesnt make me really want to keep playing. Right now, its sitting on my shelf (i'm about half way through) and other games are far more of a draw. I dont really know why, there is nothing truly wrong with it, but it just doesnt grab me.

[pshizle]

LESS BLU-RAY MORE GAMES

[UnblessedSoul]

People ain't gonna buy it now when christmas is less then 2 weeks away duh

[sak500]

So you guys were hyping it as the gears killer and see how many of you actually bought it. My guess is only 5% of n4g sony fanbois really own the console. Others just are retards who cannot afford it but are loyalist puppies.

[TwissT]

Company sales reps they are so concerned about game sales they think if a game sells good its a great game, thats not true, a good example is Uncharted it got rated 8.9/10 which is a good score but didn't sell well, since it was Naughty Dogs first game on the ps3 and all I have to say is not too shabby. Come on people be a gamer not a company sales rep.

[PS360PCROCKS]

what a joke...such a great game and it's not getting it's due

[Dmack79]

mass effect = UNCHARTED

end of story, bla, bla, bla In the media they are both considered as amazing games even system sellers. But The real reason Uncharted isn't doing so well (if its true) is because of the PS3's install base. We have the most variety in when it comes to PS3 owners. Some like to use it for blu ray more than games and vice versa. Even a lot like to use for schools and computing power.

But rest assured Uncharted's sales will hit a million by early next year.

[Dmack79]

....

[Crazyglues]

Wow this really sucks... Uncharted is such a good game, and should be doing the same numbers as Assassin's Creed. (2.5million) -But to Xbox 360's credit they have done some key things really well. That have lead to a high turn out rate.

Even some games that are not that good somehow still sell a million copies on Xbox 360. So the system has a high turn over rate.

Where consumers are buying the games. I think it's something like every owner has at least 2 to 3 games.

-But for some reason the PS3 owners are not really buying games like that. I think it may be two things. One is the system cost a lot of money, making it less likely you will buy a lot of games. (probably more likely to choose only games that really blow you away, since you feel like you paid so much for the system. So the games really have to be good.) -I mean you can't buy a Porsche and then be told you can only go as fast as an ice cream truck - or what would be the point.

And two, some people did actually buy it for a blu-ray player believe it or not. (crazy I know, but their are actually some people who just wanted a cool and cheap blu-ray player) small percentage I know.

This just makes me sad.... Someone give me bubbles to ease the pain... LoL.

To me I loved uncharted and was hoping it would do huge numbers, but I think third party developers will start thinking of designing more for 360 as they will probably have a better chance of selling their game.

[ps3playbeyon]

uNCHARTED WILL DO JUST FINE...WORLDWIDE IT'LL END UP SELLIN MORE THEAN A MILLION EASILY MAYB BY THE END OF JANUARY NEXT YEAR...IT HAS TO ITS THE BEST GAME 4 THE PS3 SO FAR ..N WHOEVER HAS A PS3 N HASNT BOUGHT THE GAME ITS REALLY MISSIN OUT ..

AND STOP COMPARIN SALES OF THE PS3 N XBOX360 THEY HAVE DOUBLE THE SYSTEMS SOLD THAN THE PS3 SO THERES NO POIN COMPARIN...

[Crazyglues]

yeah uncharted is amazing and I hope it does do at least a million.

And I don't think you where talking to me about comparing system sales, because I was not comparing based off of system sales but attach rate -meaning people who did buy the system, did they also buy games with it and how many one or two. (but I don't think you meant me.)

360 people tend to buy 5 to 6 games, and controllers, and accessories like wireless headsets.

Anyway bubbles for you..., I hope uncharted does sell well because it deserves it, the game is really done well.

[Daz]

Its a shame thats its not selling well for this time of year. I got it and ive played it for 3hours and 2 mins and ive completed 47%.

But this shows that some people are using it for a bluray pleyer mainly not for games.

[BloodySinner]

PS3 owners talk trash but just don't buy games. Pretty weak.

[Lord Cheese]

this isnt a slur against the ps3, but maybe people need to remember that up until quite recently, the ps3 was the cheapest blu-ray player around. That is definately a factor - people may have just bought it for the movies, and actually have no interest in gaming. Thats not necessarily a bad thing, but may well contribute to bad attachment rates and game sales. The 360 doesnt have that - people that buy it are gamers and there is no other reason to buy one - maybe thats why there is a higher attachment rate at the moment...