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Futuremark Studios, who benchmarked DirectX 12, shares new details about the upcoming API.
DX12- Will be good application for PC, and XB1
PC will use this 100%, and XB1 will use i don't how much, and Cloud just bring it because promises can be broken!
Do you live here !
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about the topic :
it looks promising on " paper " but nothing outside
BTW I'm not a fanboy to any company .. so be cool
I think that without a doubt cloud processing will be a huge part of the future... the problem is that our current infrastructure won't allow it to be used to its true potential. When everyone has google fiber and our internet speeds catch up to the technology it will be amazing. Unfortunately it will be years before this happens
People who act like it is a joke are just as stupid as people who act like it is the second coming
@ Farmassy
If it will take years before cloud processing will yield any substantial results, then why even mention it (not you personal, I'm referring to Microsoft and the people who think "its the second coming".) Its highly likely our infrastructure won't be up to par during the Xbox One's lifespan. If that's the case then all this cloud talk is moot, just straws fanboys grasp on, nothing more than wishful thinking.
Point is... Cloud processing may not be a joke in the way it works, but in regards to the Xbox One (and how it can actually utilize it during its life cycle versus how the fanboys think/wish it will utilize it), it may very well be a joke. So the non-believers seem to be more reasonable than the believers.
I get that you're not trying to be a fanboy or anything, but you do realize that this article is about a tech demo right? So it's a bit more than just on paper..
“In their demo, they showed two major improvements over DirectX 11 – a 50% improvement in CPU utilization, and better distribution of work among threads.”
...and it's still more than a year off, so it has the potential to get even better.
Put 'whatever you want in 'quotation' to make it sound exciting' and end quote.
The time will arrive (debatable when that may be) when cloud compute will offer tangible benefits to gaming.
I imagine, many Xbox gamers (Only stating Xbox gamers bc Microsoft is the primary company behind computes 'push') will see the day it's development efforts reach a sound degree of fruition. I'm pretty confident about that.
Online only games (a la Titanfall variety) clearly target multi-player fans. Many MP hardcore gamers are already 'content' to own and endorse MP only games as proven by the sales of Titanfall.
What I'm uncertain about, is what's going to happen when the first wave of games that force Online Single player because they 'Depend on the cloud'.
IF indeed single player games do start requiring an internet connection to play, I'm personally left with a sense Microsoft may compound all the 'damage' they have slowly chipped away at mending. It's going to be really interesting to see what transgresses over the next 5-10 years with this subject
Dx 12 for XBox:
-1/3 CPU consumption for rendering submission in one game
-100s of thousands of DrawBundle executions are possible per 60fps frame
That is part of a tech presentation. None of this stuff means anything to me, except that Dx 12 is expected to benefit the One.
Proof will be in the pudding of course.
(source: http://www.slideshare.net/D...
So a guy with Direct X experience expects positive gains, yet the arm chair developers of n4g think otherwise. I'll take the professionals word over you guys any day of the week.
Lol gotta love ps4 fans, they have nothing to look forward to in 2014 but downplaying XBOX games and features. Every XBOX article you guys are the first and most frequent commenters. If only you gave sony half of the attention you give XBOX, Destiny wouldn't be THE system seller for ps4, a game a can just as easily play on XB1.
Do you even realise that you are constantly doing the same things you are criticising others for? You're just as bad if not worse. You're just playing for the other team.
Edit: "Lol gotta love ps4 fans, they have nothing to look forward to in 2014 but downplaying XBOX games and features."
4 minutes later ...
Truefan in a Driveclub article defending Forza and downplaying Driveclub.
too bad titanfall wasnt THE system seller for the xbox ONe. So whats your point? Seriously you need to give this a rest. You have not experience anything with direct x12 and cloud personally for the x1 and you sitting behind a computer yapping away. FOrza 5 uses cloud but let me tell you, its not impressive at all. Cloud have potential but at this point with the infrastructure that we have. it will not work. This is common sense. Why cant you accept that? are you that insecured that you feel obligate to defend anything people say about the xbox one?
@ truefan1
Did you miss the part where they wrote "However, he thinks its too early to deliver a final verdict of its benefits since its still more than a year from launch". Or the part where he said "its too early to know the exact performance gain...". Did you read the part in the article where they referenced the Xbox One in regards to DX12? Oh wait, you couldn't have because they didn't mention it. That's probably because the guy with direct x experience, that you are referring to, is the president of a company that makes benchmark tools for PC and is more than likely referring to DX12 benefits to PC gaming.
Anyone else sick and tired of seeing "gotta love ps4 fans" in every single overly defensive Xbox One post? Seriously, try making a valid point or two instead of turning things into ps4 vs zone argument
It is ok to doubt something, but this is happening none the less... Very innovative indeed...
As a gaming fan, these possibilities sound really intriguing. As with most things, I'll reserve judgment until I actually see it.
As someone who reads enough on this site, dreading the PS fanboy comments stating that this can't be real.
You're right........they have Driveclub and The Last of Us Remastered for that.
I'm with you on being positive about the Xbone. The games we have are great (F5, DR3, TF) and we have SO and MCC in 2014 with H5, FH2, CD3, Fable, GOW and more on the way. DX12/ESRAM/Cloud are just a cherry on top.
But why do you have to end with trolling PS4 owners? While there isn't anything I currently want to play don't tell me UC5 or a nextgen God of War doesn't make you think about buying a PS4.
Just because this site is full of a bunch of Sony Ponies that can't help but troll every X box article doesn't mean you should stoop to their level.
truefan1. I will take what the consensus of the vast majority of unbiased professional devs and techs have said so far over a few PR statements by devs influenced by MS. The over whelming unbiased consensus among them is that DX12 wont help X1 very much at all, It may help future consoles but not so much the current ones. A person can find individual articles seeming to support almost anything no matter how inaccurate or misleading. Do the research using unbiased sources on how DX12 and the cloud will specifically effect X1 now and within the next few years and it becomes clear improvements for X1 are minimal. So many times people take what is said of DX12 and cloud in general and what it can do in the future and try to apply it to X1 as if it can be done now or very soon.... or even in the X1's lifecycle. Such conclusions and applications can be misleading and overhyped when pertaining specifically to X1.
@XiSasukeUchiha I was trying to read your comment, but like so many others on this site, your comment looks like broken English. Just take your time making sure the grammar is correct. I like reading comments, just help others to understand them ok.
U know they will have a tech demo tommorrow right that is the purpose of all these articles
http://i.gyazo.com/269d1ae9...
@ Rashid and naruto
I copied it for the xbox one reddit...its been up for awhile...there saying most likely a cloud demo....but I think they'll also show dx 12
Here's hoping for the best
Interesting. I never knew that. I have a strong feeling they will talk about DX12 and the new SDK update that was recently released.
@lawboy
I saw this on reddit yesterday too. I'm looking forward to it. Hope they reveal some cool stuff and show nice demos.
OT: I hope halo5, scalebound,crackdown,gears of war and upcoming titles use this api in some way or the other.
Its bla bla bla, if its Microsoft and anything to do with them, its crap.
directx12 is a new API. Why are Nivida, Amd and intel excited about it? And why don't we see the same response for opengl.
directx12 full features will be coming to xb1. Of course Phil Spencer is lying.
Ice team says a lot, but doesn't do any press conferences, to show were the PS4 will improve.
fox@ Really what you going to say when crackdown comes out and the cloud is doing destruction usually done by the GPU.
Try getting the PS4 to do that? xb1 is the true next gen system and will be fairly evident to everyone eventually.
First of all, they don't have to. They aren't the ones playing catch up and they're not the ones with a hardware deficiency. Secondly, there's been plenty of talk of api improvement for Sony.
Right fox... When you are the one with the gimped hardware, you have to try everything and say anything to TRY and catch up.
I barely see Team ice talking about PS4 API. I see Microsoft talking about the cloud weekly.
DirectX 12 should be renamed to DirectX Hope
AMD, Intel and Nvidia are in the graphics market if they don't make any noise they won't sell their brand new iterations of graphics cards/On die gpus.
Valve have been banging on about OpenGL for quite some time saying that it's much quicker.
http://www.extremetech.com/...
Everybody seems to have high hopes on PC with DirectX12 When in reality DirectX11's Native full compliance support is somewhat laughable (ie:- not shoehorned in with a patch)
6 games are native DirectX11 on the PC platform as of writing this
Crysis 3
Daylight
Titanfall
Tropico 5
War Of The Vikings
Watch_Dogs
I think for a 5 year old API to have a catalogue of 6 games that are fully compliant is ridiculous.
There's a reason Crysis 3 looks better than Crysis 2 (post DX11 patch)
Crysis 3 Native DX11
Crysis 2 shoehorned patch DX11
Please don't retort with a DirectX11 list of games from wikipedia. Like I said 99% of those titles of are patched... not built from the ground up with the API in question.
It would also be nice if DX12 were to add new vertex, pixel and shader models.
feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I had this response from a PC elitist the other day.
"The Witcher 2 & Skyrim are both DirectX 9 and we all know how much better they look on PC. Point is PC Gamers could not give a rats ass if a game is using DirectX 9, 10, 11 or 12 or even OpenGL as long it looks amazing and runs at a smooth framerate"
Then why come here and state the pinnacle of graphics
when in reality, due to that logic, you should've kept your DirectX9 or 10 fully compliant card and still have an amazing experience as long as it runs smooth.
As opposed to entering PS4 and Xbox One threads and constantly reiterating the same shit whilst giving you a superiority warm and fuzzy feeling inside.
I'm the last person you need to tell about PC... I used to build Enthusiast Rigs. I were wasting money, developer support was dropping.
because it will benefit pc gaming, but the xbox api already does most things, so theres no big improvement.
theres a few articles confirming this but you just read what you want to stay away from reality
"ice team says a lot"
Definitely not as much as Microsoft does about the holy grail that is the cloud and dx12.
I'm not saying it won't have any benefits to x1, it's just that Microsoft are totally over selling it.
Another thing, trolling the ps4 reduces the credibility of your so called argument. Not that it had any credibility to begin with. This article has nothing to do with ice team nor the ps4.
i guess you didn't read the article either. read r2ob's comment above. but i guess you can't help it that you got diarrhea of the mouth.
Because that makes the game so unplayable and automatically terrible!!!!!! /s
Yeah because if I had the choice, I would always choose the version that looks worse /s
No one said it was automatically terrible, but how can you blame someone for wanting a game with 4x the pixels being rendered?
It absolutely does not make any game terrible, being 720p.
But, why would anyone with a 1080p Tele not hope for as high as a resolution as possible. I realize not nearly everyone has a 1080p capable TV, though I hesitate to guess (speculation I realize) well over half of gamers likely do. A great game is a great game any day of the week at any resolution. But, greater native resolution does make any great game an even better game for a lot of people
I'll hold judgement until I see something tangible. I don't currently see a problem with the XBone. It plays games at a lower resolution than the PS4, big deal. If you buy for power, then get the PS4 (I won't even get into the PC aspect). If you want to play Sunset Overdrive or Forza, then get XB1. If you want to play Uncharted, get the PS4. It's as simple as that.
Too bad this site is full of "gamers" that care more about graphics and raw hardware than games.
So true, you still playing the hell out of that Contra on your NES ?
Since you dont buy in to all this new Gen BS like the rest of us morons.
N4g in a nutshell. Its disgusting seeing these so called gamers reducing games and all the work that the devs put in their games to just graphics. Graphics this, resolution that is all they talk about instead of asking devs for trully next gen experiences. They're ok with this industry becoming stagnant as long as they can play last gen games with prettier graphics.
Contra is probably more fun and more well received for its time than inFamous SS and Watch Dogs, but no I don't play it. I play Mario Kart 8 on Wii U and waiting anxiously for Zelda.
Yes, I bought into the new gen BS and I am a moron for it as well. The new gen so far is nothing but a joke. The majority of games for the Xbox One and PS4 are cross gen and available on PC. Then we have the Definitive Edition games, TLoU in the pipeline, for full 60 bucks no less.
As of now, the only reason these next gen consoles exist is nothing more than graphics. Last I checked the last gen consoles have MORE features than the PS4 and Xbox 360.
Valid tangent zero-gamer!
But I'll point out, it's also terribly depressing to look to at the music industry (pretty much from front to back) and realize the most successful & famous 'artists' are such because of image above all else.
No different in hollywood either. There is an unfortunate 'harmony' to be found in those parallels.
Much as I wish it wasn't so with graphics and the forementioned
What resolutions do Forza, Dead Rising and Titanfall run at on the PS4? I sure Master Chief will run much smoother with the PS4s GDDR5.
Both systems have some interesting exclusives coming. Buy the system that has the most that YOU prefer. If you mainly like multiplats then buy a PS4.
directx11 is really a high level/medium level API directx12 is really low level,so games are going to look awesome when it comes out for xb1
directx11 only uses 1 core with very little work been done on the other cores evenly. Its the directx11 API causing the issue.
Sony fans claiming directx12, no benefit to xb1. Well clearly you don't know how directx has effected PC gaming and console gaming for years.
fox@ the xb1 is a PC it uses a x86 architecture 8 cores, it uses the same API used for games on the PC. Plus the OS is windows 8 (likely can be upgraded to windows 9, when it arrives) minor improvements, you'll end up being wrong, and you'll see how wrong you are in 2015
Wrong, again. People are saying that it will offer more for PC, which is true. Not that is won't improve the xb1. Xb1 improvements will be minor.
You don't know how much DX12 will affect XO as you don't work on the API nor on the team that built the XO architecture.
Maybe it's better to wait and see the differences for yourself?
can you show me benchmarks showcasing these so called "minor improvements"? Though so...
@SonofGod and Elite3Nick
Well, seeing how DX12 is basically trying to adapt the "to the metal" aspect of the XBox One and every other console.. And that X1 is basically using a modified DX11 that is essentially what DX12 is. Consoles have had this low level API since forever ago. They are merely adapting it to PC. Sure, from development they will increase performance, but just like past updates to improve console performance, it is going to be minor. The console hardware can't be improved but the software can, and software only goes so far.
They will probably improve the heavy OS to increase performance as well. Microsoft makes many mistakes with software and expects people to wait for updates.
Direct X 12 is primarily for the PC to improve performance and code at a lower level nearer to the metal like consoles do now.
Xbone already codes to the metal so you can't get any lower than that.
They might be minor improvements for Xbone but nothing substantial like there will be for the PC.
I'm a PC gamer so you can't label me a PS fanboy.
Direct X 12 does not have the ability to change the Xbone hardware you are stuck with the inferior hardware for the next several years.
I love how people throw the "code to the metal" thing around without knowing what it means. Code to the metal means that developers can code almost the the capacity of the hardware based on the tools/software they have.
If you have better tools and those tool use better the hardware you will get better performance. People need to stop repeating thing they hear in the internet without knowing what they mean.
I do agree it will be more beneficial to PC though
@tuglu_pati - actually coding to the metal means they have direct access to the gpu and memory bypassing any usual cross-hardware API limitations
@tuglu_pati It has nothing to do with the capacity of the hardware.
It just means you are able to code straight to the GPU or CPU (the metal) or as close as they can without any software getting in the way. It's just low level programming.
PCs have always had MS bloatware, Windows and Direct X decreasing performance of the hardware and this is what Direct X 12 is trying to rectify.
@above
And how do you think they get that direct access to the gpu and memory from? From tools and software. Hardware mean nothing without software
The fact that consoles can be code to the metal doesnt mean newer tools will not have big imapct on them and theres where the problem with this saying lies, people use it as if you are already coding to the metal then you wont see any more improvements and that is not the case. Its been used out of context.
@tuglu
"people use it as if you are already coding to the metal then you wont see any more improvements and that is not the case. Its been used out of context" No one I repeat NO ONE is saying it wont have improvements, people are saying it wont have much improvements because the xbones api is already performing nearly as well as it can with the hardware it has, PC on the other hand (which is what the companies such as nvidia are actually talking about when they mention big gains) will see a good boost.
@tuglu_pati - completely agree
Just because people hear that the API is already close to the metal, they assume things are as fast as can be....its simply not the case, better software and better use of the hardware (better thread/resource management) can and do improve performance. All we can do now is watch and see how big the performance gain will be.
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@tuglu_pati
regardless of whether they've maxed out the console:
"I love how people throw the "code to the metal" thing around without knowing what it means. Code to the metal means that developers can code almost the the capacity of the hardware based on the tools/software they have. "
You are throwing the 'code to the metal' thing around without knowing what means is my point. The whole point of coding to the metal is to say 'thanks for your tools and software, but I know what I'm doing with the low level stuff, and I'll take it from here, thanks'.
Though people using tools created by those close to the metal experts will still benefit if an engine or tool was coded 'to the metal'.
What everyone is saying is that since XBox One is a console, it would already be coded to the metal, so it wouldn't see as much improvement. I haven't read enough about the XBox One SDK, but it's possible they're wrong and the current SDK makes it difficult or impossible to get access to the console's guts - though that'd be unusual for a console. But maybe MS had planned for the DX12 update to be that part of the SDK, in which case it would help.
In any case, DX12 will make a difference, at least to the ease of coding if nothing else, but it's not going to nullify the power difference of the ps4.
Sony will send out the Naughty Dog out to tell us Cloud and DX12 will add nothing to games. The fact is nobody know how's much either with help or add to the Xbox One without MS showing us, which rumors are saying they will tomorrow.
Personally I'm satisfied with the Xbox One. Newer games are typically 900p or above. The UI is getting major updates that add to the total game experience nearly every 3 weeks. The 1st 2nd party and timed exclusive games and content look great. 2014 will go out with a bang with Sunset Overdrive and Halo Master Chief Collection. No the Xbox One is not as powerful as PS4 hardwarewise but it excels it in other areas such as software, apps, feedback response, and online community. My opinion...
again, no one has said that DX12 wouldn't do anything for the xbox (not even Naughty Dog said that, you're just taking what they've said out of context).
the reality is that DX12 will benefit PC *MORE* than it will benefit xbox *BECAUSE* what DX12 does for PC is bring its games development process closer to what's being done on console.
DX12 will improve the xbone, there's no question about that, but it's not going to be the secret sauce you all have been hoping for since the beginning.
I'd rather they take their time with this and offer Xbox users something worthwhile than rush it and everyone laughing with PC overweight hunckbacks explaining they got 100 cpu's that will still be better but lack the evidence with games.
By the way no one is qualified on here to explain Direct X12 being worthwhile on Xbox One or not at all. Common sense can only guess it will provide something.
the second coming is continously hailed as the second coming yet remains second!!!
cloud = dedicated server
dedicated server = not new
You're right.. They aren't new and all the cloud really is is a bunch of them..
But... What is done with those servers is what's new.. Its not simply hosting your one and done game.
Exactly! Unlike traditional servers, cloud servers can adjust themselves on the fly to host ANY game. This means that there will no longer be server shutdowns because there will no longer be servers wasting resources. And the versatility of the servers are staggering, as evidenced by Halo: Master Chief Collection running every multiplayer for their respective games, all within the same lobby.
I have an X1 and am fine with it the way it is , if you can make it better , GREAT!.....but just DO IT ALREADY!.....don't keep telling me your gona make a chocolate cake for me , put a piece on a plate and HAND it to me already.....
MS should just quit hiding behind all this *crap talks its getting old.
First it was DX11.2 Tiled Resource, but it failed (Ryse 900p 15fps, Dead Rising 3 720p 30fps, Killer Instinct 720p 30fps)
Next they came up with CLOUD, failed also (Titan Fall 792p 60fps)
Now its DX12 and 10% power from dropping Kinect lol!! (Sunset Overdrive 900p confirmed!)
But Sony isn't talking much but showing off what the the PS4 is capable of :
Uncharted 4 1080p 60fps
The Order 1080p 30fps
BloodBorn 1080p 30fps
Drive Club 1080p 30fps
Things will be much easier for the Fans if MS stop teasing them with all this false *Crap that isn't achievable.
PS4 is the Standard!
I'd just have to point out that you know literally nothing about what you're going on about.
THe Order is not 1080p.
It's another resolution between 900p and 1080p.
900p=1600×900=1440000 pixels
Order's resolution 800p=1920x800= 1520000 pixels
1080p=1900x1080= 2052000 pixels
Ryse 900p 15fps
Dead Rising 3 720p 30fps
Killer Instinct 720p 30fps
Titan Fall 792p 60fps
Sunset Overdrive 900p confirmed
What resolution and FPS does the PS4 run these at???
Uncharted 4 1080p 60fps
The Order 1080p 30fps
BloodBorn 1080p 30fps
Drive Club 1080p 30fps
Which I'd more important to you? The game or the specs? When UC4 comes out (in 2015) if it is a great game, I might buy a PS4. But I'm not buying it to play Boring Rehashed Generic Shooter 52 just because it's 1080p and 60fps.
Why does everyone keep saying that it's MS hyping DX12 and cloud? It's right the in plain english that Futuremark made these comments, and most articles I see are other companies commenting, not MS. If it has anything positive whatsoever to say you cockroaches are all over it.
Not to mention people are scouring the internet for crap to feed the fanboy war.
Every comment or tweet anyone makes gets an article about it.. Its not coming from Microsoft.
The thing is tho , the majority of the articles are talking about the performance pcs will get a boost on, even this article right here the guy says he doesn't have a clue how much it will help if it helps at all.
Okay! i just looked at a couple of videos of the dx12 and cloud tech, i'm not impressed with neither one of them! i was hoping to see what the graphics of dx12 and the cloud tech can do, and just like i said about dx12, it has some improvement in graphics, but not a huge jump whatsoever. A powerful PC can run dx12 like a charm, so it benefits it so well. The cloud stuff to, please!
it's just too early for that technology! everybody doesn't have a strong internet.
It runs better when you blowing things up and it gets a boost of an extra 2fps,
but it's only on a server from what i seen. Until everybody has a strong internet,
this cloud technology is more like a cloud of smoke.
The "cloud" are dedicated servers that calculate and compute tasks then transfer them to the game. We still don't know how this will influence real world bandwidths and internet speeds. Take away those servers and you still have a weaker console. Smoke and mirrors. MS needs to stop masquerading around with gimmicks.
If they can physically prove that that DX12 and "the cloud" can benefit Xbox One greatly then everyone that owns a xbox one should be all for it. (That Crackdown demonstration was a little bit sketchy, who knows what type of pc it was compared to).
Yea and if Santa Clause existed the world might be a happier place to live in. Another article about WHAT MIGHT be, them again it seems all MS has been doing for the last 9 months is talk. Prob cuz its easier then doing it.
Except nobody within Microsoft is even interviewed its actually some random middleware developer. How about actually reading if your going to talk so much at least look like you know what your talking about.
Metaphorically speaking people prefer fast food over home cooked goodness. In time we will see this tech in use but the critics lack patient and since it isn't running full steam right now it doesn't work. It's a myth or a lie. Way too many professionals are talking good things about this tech to just brush it aside and I believe them over all the naysayers any day.
Too bad reading isn't fundamental nowadays. A simple glance at the headline will show you that MSFT wasn't interviewed but then again that is asking too much from some people.
Why doesn't N4G link directly to the articles, instead of linking first to this seedy forum for Sony fanboys? Just wondering, not trying to start a flame war or anything...
Ad revenue. Most link exchange websites use this method to retain a high number of visitors. Although I must say the sheer volume of uninformed opinions does stagger me.
I like the amount of creativity MS put into the recent refinements & additions within DirectX. I liked even the new features of 11.1 and 11.2 . "Tiled textures" impressed me the most.
Great to hear about improved collision detection. About time.
You all do understand that Futuremark made these comments not MSFT right?
Futuremark Studios, who benchmarked DirectX 12, shares new details about the upcoming API. (Futuremark Games Studio, Xbox One)
This tidbit above I literally ripped from the headline. Ignorant people with no knowledge of MSFT tech only skepticism and hate are the quickest to comment here. The tech obviously works I mean look at all of the Devs and tech companies giving it shout outs. I have yet to read one negative aspect about DX12 from the professional...only arm chair Devs who don't have the access or resources to see what Amd, Intel etc are seeing.
This new tech will benefit all gamers so why hate? Be patient and wait until all the information is out before prejudging. MSFT put together a great machine with awesome software to complement it...how many of you can say the same? I'm could careless about catching the competition. They have more powerful hardware but the Xb1 has it's advantages too. This new tech being one of them. I'm excited to be able to watch the transformation of the XB1 just like I did with the 360. I found an old update disc from MFST awhile back when updates came in the mail on a disc. Look how far we have come from that? History tell us the Xbox will improve and I'm glad I got court side seats for this.
This was made with early cloud-compute tech developed for Crackdown 3 and showed off at Build 2014.
http://channel9.msdn.com/Bl...
Just a joke right? Nothing to it right?
Meanwhile PS3 is pushing PSNow wich is pretty much the same thing as onlive, running a game remotely on a server and sending you the graphics as a video stream and sending your inputs back. That's essentially running a whole damned game in the cloud instead of a few compute calls. Onlive has been doing that since 2009 on 5Mbps connections and quite well on 10+. So was Gaikai which Sony is developing into PSNow. So are a lot of server side games including MMO's that talk to a local client.
But nah, there's nothing to this cloud thing. It's nonsense.
Right.
i think dx12 is 2 early to jump to conclusions. it shows promise but on actual game applications it will take some time before it becomes implemented fully into game engines. lets give devs time to analyze it first.
LOL ,Sony fanbois dominated on another MS article and making stuff up. Sounds like a broken record now.
Pity that people forget that the name of xbox was originally called the "Direct Xbox". Xbox one actually was supposed to come out later this year with "Direct x12" as it's proper version of direct x.
"Futuremark is a company that provides popular PC and mobile benchmarks which includes 3DMark and PCMark. Their tools have also been used in measuring DirectX 12's performance and how the new API will reduce CPU overload by 50%."
Pretty much spot on with that comment, the only people who do seem to care are the fan boys and elitists. We hear the same thing every generation now and it's getting really tiring to be honest.
if graphics are the only thing that matter to you, then you get a PC.
If there are other things that matter, like cost and total user experience, then I'm afraid the PC doesn't stack up so well.
I say this as a long-time PC gamer
Yet for all the PC's so called power, they will never come close to the simplicity and ease of use of consoles, developers can also make far more use of the power they have simply because a consoles specs are known, they are not having to program for different devices and there is no front end like windows hogging resources.
Consoles are simply more convenient.
@uth11
"I say this as a long-time PC gamer"
I love when you ps4 fanboys say things like this. You do realize people can look at your comment history right? It's ps4 ps4 ps4 ps4 while bashing everything pc and xbox.
"If there are other things that matter, like cost and total user experience, then I'm afraid the PC doesn't stack up so well."
That couldn't be further from the truth and any "long-time PC gamer" would know this.
Article says - PS4 & Xbox One Won't Be Able To Match The Raw Power of A Decent Gaming PC Anytime Soon.
Which = truth
amiga-man says - Yet for all the PC's so called power, they will never come close to the simplicity and ease of use of consoles
Which = nothing to do with the article.
sorane
@uth11
"I say this as a long-time PC gamer"
I love when you ps4 fanboys say things like this. You do realize people can look at your comment history right? It's ps4 ps4 ps4 ps4 while bashing everything pc and xbox.
Sorane, I too was a long time PC gamer, I stopped when the PS3 came along because I got tired of the continual maintenance, I enjoyed PC gaming and there are certain games that are more suited to PC's than consoles, but I wouldn't go back.
And if you look at my comment history you will see nothing but PS3 and PS4 comments, do you seriously think that means I never gamed on a PC?
DoctorJones: amiga-man says - Yet for all the PC's so called power, they will never come close to the simplicity and ease of use of consoles
Which = nothing to do with the article.
Of course it does, your just too blind to see it.
Its obvious that this guy did not see Uncharted 4's E3 trailer.
Now dont get me wrong when it comes to power both next gem consoles were outdated the very day they were designed, however I prefer what my eyes can see rather hanging onto numbers, and i cant see a single game on PC as of now that can hold a candle against UC4.
Here we go PS fanboys disinformation and denial. Seem odd that they Dont care when professionals use common sense, but hang on to every word of PR and devs hyping their game up. Use 1080p on ps4 you'll have an instant hit in a PS fanboys eyes.y'all do realize this is he's profession, so one game using tricks to look good and not rendering as much us not the same as a game rendering way more but looks slightly below the other. They benchmarks stress systems for overall power. Just like how a corridor shooter can look better than a open world game, its where you use that power. But console gamers are new to this they try not to see the whole picture
@uth11
Long-term PC cheaper. User experience is subjective but I would say the quality put into making a better experience it leagues ahead on PC.I could press two buttons in I have game guides to the game I'm playing. I trade trophy for money. More dedicated servers, mods, stronger game community that support games they love. Not locked down by a single voice chat, custom games mugen and RPG maker, free mp, custom maps on server, etc... I could go on forever. I have even list why steam UI is leagues better than the ones on consoles besides the two button to get strategy guide.
Are you sure your a PC gamer? Are you doing it right? Are you talking about brain dead I don't want to think pick up and play?
Has he seen Uncharted 4 yet? I have yet to see anything that looks that good on PC hardware.. and I'm not talking about a demo but a real game like UC4.
This price/performance myth of consoles is seriously still alive?!
PS4 - $400
1 game/month ($60) for 6 years (console generation length) - $4320
Online fee for 6 years - $300
Total - $5020
PC - $1316
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/c...
1 game.month ($50) for 6 years - $3600
Online fee for 6 years - $0
Total - $4916
AND look what you get with the PC!
6 times the raw GPU power
3 times the raw CPU power
7 times the memory bandwidth
4 times the storage
3 times the RAM
Seriously, the PS4 measures 1.84 TFLOPS GPU, 176GB/s memory bandwith, 1.6Ghz 8 core mobile processor, 8 GB 256bit GDDR5 RAM, 500GB HD compared to what?
PC measures 10.6 TFLOPS GPU, 657GB/s memory bandwidth, 3.5GHZ 8 core desktop processor, 22GB RAM (6GB 512bit GDDR5, 16GB DDR3), 2TB HD
Sorry, no contest.
Look, I have said nothing but good things about The Order 1886 and Uncharted 4 (check my comment history), but some of you are going overboard and need to put things in perspective.
First of all, yes, Uncharted 4 looks astounding and has probably the best character model we have seen in a game up to this point. BUT that doesn't mean that Uncharted 4 as a whole is going to be better than every other game. There will likely be games that release the same year that look better than Uncharted 4 in ways.
The Witcher 3, for example, might not have quite as detailed character models but the overall quality of the visuals is undeniable and the game has massive scale and freedom that most games can't begin to match.
I also thought that Star Wars Battlefront footage we saw had environments that looked as good, probably better, than the environment shown in Uncharted 4. https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Question: were the Uncharted games the very best graphics that I experienced last generation? The answer is, no. High end PC games still looked better than the Uncharted games, despite the Uncharted games having great art direction and solid technical attributes.
The same will be true this generation. Uncharted 4 will likely be one of the best looking console games this generation and one of the better looking games across all platforms, but I have no doubt that some PC games will surpass it.
Furthermore, just because a console has one or two graphically exceptional games doesn't negate the fact that the PC still produces the best graphics in the overwhelming majority of games. Multiplatform games comprise the vast majority of games and those will continue to look and play better on the PC.
@blackmagic
So in those 6 years you wont upgrade any part? cos if you buy a 700 series today by the end of 6 years youll be around a 1200-1300 gtx series from nvidia, ram would have changed, the os too.
But nothing of that seems to change your final price it seems.
Pc is not cheap itll will never be, but you get more for the price, so its all good.
And 50$/60$ a game is only for brand new, no one gets all his/her games brand new so thats a terrible math you got there.
@mikeslemonade
Cyberpunk 2077 blows The Order out of the water.
http://youtu.be/P99qJGrPNLs
Edit: sorry, you wanted to see 5 games
Here's
Reset
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Routine
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
The Forest
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Star Citizen
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
@pricey
You can file that "poorly optimized" myth under the same category as the "price/performance" myth that console gamers garner. Last I checked, console games don't run so great out of the gate either.
@cemelc
First, I chose 'brand new' because that was the least friendly choice for my point. The price of PC games rolls off faster than on console so in this discussion you would suddenly find the playing field tilting even further to the advantage of the PC if old or used games are considered.
Rest assured that 6 years from now the PC build I posted would still run anything that a ps4 can run and significantly better at that. This build was constructed to debunk and it perfectly illustrates the fallacy of the console price/performance myth.
To respond to your comment directly, I would personally build something different for myself and I would keep my present 16 gigs of DDR3 1600 RAM, 750 watt power supply, case, hard drive, optical drive and keep running windows 7. I would sell my motherboard, cpu and video cards and plan another upgrade in about 3 years. Doing this, I would have a lesser PC today (in the neighbourhood of twice the capability of a PS4) but in three years I would have a significantly better pc than the PC build I posted and it would cost even less overall.
Console (fanboy) gamers only understand 'build from scratch' though. When you talk costs you suddenly aren't allowed to carry components from your present PC to your future PC, you aren't allowed to sell your old hardware and you certainly aren't allowed to carry your present operating system into your new build. Nope, you have to throw everything out and start from scratch in order to be "fair".
Ill play wherever most of the goty's are....... right now and for the whole last console gen timespan they've been on console.
@blackmagic
Your whole point is that pc is cheaper and upgrading your pc for whatever reason is not adding in any way to the original price? yeah right, you just mention it, so your point is counter by itself.
Did i mention building from scratch? nope, just videocard and ram.
Games are as cheap as you want them to be, your logic is asuming that i would pay more just cos is console. Console do have offers just like steam.
And new games in steam like watch dog will be 50$ till more or less 3 month from release, and b4 there will be a deal somewhere for 40 or whatever, does do happen for console too you know...
Is not cheaper, will not be cheaper.
@blackmagic
So what you're saying is, PC gamers are actually the "peasants" since (by your own explanation) it's cheaper to game on PC. :)
I don't care either way, I game on all platforms that have exclusives I like, such as PC, PS4, Wii-U, 3DS, etc.
@ blackmagic
Cyberpunk 2077's trailer is completely CGI you dummy.
The Order 1886 actually showed gameplay.
And the Forest or Star Citizen don't look all that impressive, sorry.
____
Besides, all multiplatform games look the same anyway.
Leave it to the PC fanboys to start shit. No console gamer for the past 3 decades has cared about what your PC can do.
@cemelc
Let me try to spell this out for you.
First point: The build I posted is a complete build which, 6 years from now, will still play games at a higher fidelity than the ps4. It obviously won't be able to do the latest greatest graphics but it will still be several times more powerful than the ps4 and since, like this past generation, games will again be held back so they can still run on consoles, it will still run these games and much better than the ps4 for that matter.
Second point (completely seperate point):
My pc will be 3 years old this fall so my upgrade would be
same cpu - $144
same motherboard - $60
Graphics - Dual 270X's - $310
http://www.ncixus.com/produ...
keep my existing 16 GB DDR3 1600 - $0
keep my existing 2TB HD - $0
keep my existing 750W power supply - $0
keep my existing case - $0
keep my existing optical drive - $0
load my copy of Windows 7 - $0
Sell my current AMD 965 processor, Asus motherboard and dual 7850's - $150
Cost of upgrade today: about $350
3 years from now I sell my cpu, motherboard, videocards and ram - $150
Buy new versions - $600
plus a new hard drive - $100
and new O/S - $100
cost of future upgrade - $650
Possible replacement of power supply or optical drive, factor in $100
Total cost:
Upgrade - $350
future upgrade - $650
potential to replace failed component - $100
Total: $1100
End result, a better pc than you can build today for $1300
point 3
watchdogs
ps4 - $60
pc - $43
http://www.amazon.com/Watch...
Assassin's Creed
ps4 - $43
PC - $22
http://www.amazon.com/Assas...
Battlefield 4
ps4 - $43
PC - $20
http://www.amazon.com/Battl...
need for speed
ps4 - $51
pc - $40
http://www.amazon.com/Need-...
lego marvel super heroes
ps4 - $38
pc - $20
http://www.amazon.com/LEGO-...
injustice
ps4 - $40
pc - $30
http://www.amazon.com/Injus...
thief
ps4 - $40
pc - $15
http://www.amazon.com/Thief...
Do I really need to go on?
Black magic theres a few things wrong with your comparison. 1 not all pc games 50 dollars. 2 that 300 dollars you mentioned adds atleast 2 games a month!!
If you have vita/ps3 its 4/6 games per month. Lastly pc specs decrease over time consoles improve.
Edit: as for prices after launch pc does drop faster but thats because it has no resales. Drm is higher on pc too
No $400 PC can come close to Ps4 and Xbone, especially when you consider the ~$100 just for Windows.
Hell, the same can probably be said about PS3 and Xb360; good luck building a $150 PC (post-windows cost) that can pull that off.
@blackmagic
Same, tired, old, false 'PC games are cheaper' argument I see..
Two words.. resale value.. you have none.
Even factoring in your game prices at $60/console and $50/PC, what happens when you buy a game you don't like? On PC, you eat that full cost. On console, you have the choice to resell the game or trade it in. And if you're talking only a week or two after launch (it wouldn't take anywhere near that long to figure out that you don't like a game), you could easily get $30 back, if not ~$50, depending on the game.
Your online fees also depend on not being a poor consumer and on the games you play. You have $50/yr for PS+, but it was only $30/yr on black friday and it can be found for $40/yr throughout the year (and this price for PS+ also includes a lot of free games that you don't factor in). The online fees could be a lot more than $0 on PC if you're into MMOs or similar games where you pay by the month.
Back to games, a smart console game buyer usually waits until the games are $30, or $20, or less.. and by that time you could beat the game, resell it, and recoup most of your money, since prices fall much slower after the initial drop from Day 1 buys. Obviously console games would choose to keep some of the games, but the resale difference easily makes console games cheaper in the end. To that 'smart buyer' point, obviously smart PC games would wait too, but again, a $20-30 buy for PC is a $20-30 cost.. while a $20-30 buy for console could be only a $5 cost, depending on your turnaround time.
PC gaming is more expensive, period. Yes, a higher end PC has the potential for better graphics and framerates, etc. But the fact remains that the hardware is more expensive, the software is more expensive when resale value is taken into consideration, and you also miss out on a lot of the best games of the year as others have pointed out above, for example Red Dead Redemption, Uncharted, The Last Of Us, you had to wait for the GTAs, etc.
The last big PC 'exclusive' to win a lot of GotY awards was Half-Life 2 in 2004, which was only a timed exclusive that came out on Xbox a year later (2005) and seventh gen consoles soon in 2007. You don't have RDR after over 4 years and you won't have the Uncharteds, etc. until you have a strong enough PC to emulate them (illegal and much more cost).
@blackmagic
Lol i dont know why youre angry about me pointing something out.
Youre spending money for your pc, i didnt talk about performance, nor anything else.
The first time you built your rig it cost you money, after that any change in hardware will cost you money, so whatever the price of that machine was the first day you add the plus from the new parts get it? its easy.
Pc is not a console it doesnt have a fix price, its a rent that is constantly asking you for money if you want to keep up.
I dont undertand your logic about games, should i buy them right now? nope, should i get them when they are reaaally cheap? i could, it is my choice after all.
Im not forced to follow your logic, i could get any of those games a year from now for all i care and then what? your whole argument falls apart.
Pc is more expensive dude just let it go, enjoy what you have, since you can keep up with the expenses that most of us cant.
FYI - PS4 $360, New, free shipping right now
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pla...
@blackmagic
"point 3
watchdogs
ps4 - $60
pc - $43"
PS4 version is $50 and when you realize it's not the greatest thing since sliced bread (81/78/78 meta), you can easily quick-sell it for $35-40
(or upwards of $50, which is what recently sold games are fetching)
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.h...
So maybe a $10 loss compared to $43 on PC.
Do I really need to go on? Resale value. Few if any of the games you mentioned are masterpieces that people would want to hold onto forever. Many will be traded in/resold, costs will be recouped and your PC game will, in the end, be more expensive.. significantly so if there is a relatively short flip time on the console game.
Consoles never held back uncharted 2, little big planet, the last of us, forza, gran turismo, infamous mario, metroid etc because they were exclusive and the point I was making is that you cant play them on pc. When was the last time a pc exclusive won goty.............
As a former pc gamer I understood what I would lose by switching to console but that switch was made easier and were outweighed by the benefits of consoles. By all means enjoy your platform but that wall of text and half truths doesn't change the facts which is I cant play the games I've enjoyed the most on pc
All the people talking about Uncharted 4. Do you mean the pre-rendered cut scene E3 trailer that doesn't look remotely like it is in-game? Console gamers need to stop blindly accepting every trailer they see as in-game. It is usually fairly easy to tell the difference between in-game and pre-rendered based on the camera angles and general feel of it. The video shown of Uncharted 4 is plain as day pre-rendered.
Crysis 3 still looks better overall anyway.
Yeah all this talk about power and yadda yadda on the PC was pointless seeing as for how many years of me owning a GTX 680 nothing ever looked like Uncharted 4 or the Order.
It's not just the hardware that drives revolutionary graphics, it's the teams behind the software to complement the hardware.
Which will NEVER EVER EVER happen for the PC as long as it's an open platform where people can either have a $100 gpu or a $3000 one.
I love PC gaming.
It has lots of great games to play big titles and small and I like the fact multi platforms are usually the best versions and more customisable. I have one PC whose main components of it bar the GPU and SSD are over 5 years old (yes, really) and it still manages to beat out even the new consoles like PS4 on every multiformat game.
There is no point trying to run down PC gaming if you don't know how good it really is. Consoles are pretty good too for their own reasons and exclusives.
I personally find PC gaming to be really cheap as I buy my games in bargain sales and the hardware gets replaced by offsetting the cost of new by selling the old equipment.
Heart my PC.
"if graphics are the only thing that matter to you, then you get a PC."
"I say this as a long-time PC gamer"
And that right there is how you spot a liar.
Exactly. I don't game on PC. I hate that keyboard crap, controllers are way better. And now that the PS4 controller has that touchpad I don't need a mouse.
Useless segment due to the fact that both MS/sony are pc makers. Consoles are category driven, and are tailored to a price sector. The compensation is to give great gaming machines, at affordable prices (which will always be with yester-year tech). Can both companies make a console that truly blur the lines, yes, but it won't be in the 400 to 600 range...
@andibandit they do! But I did enjoy Halo Wars if anyone wanna play games they was meant to be played hit me up on Steam- Goku Ruk
But you console guys seem to care when it comes to PS4 VS xbox one. I find it hilarious how when the PC is mentioned console fanboys all of a sudden don't care about graphics and hardware but when it's just consoles that's all they brag about. "my console has better graphics than yours"
because consoles are consoles perhaps and pcs are pcs perhaps ? Maybe it seems so simple to me because I may be a super genius .........or more likely you arent seeing something so obvious because it doenst help your stupid point?
Well perhaps thats because console gamers that compare graphics obviously have no interest whatsoever in pc gaming.
its like formula 3 cars comparing their bhp, then a formula 1 car comes along and blows em out of the water.. very similar but a totally different league.
this whole argument is kinda pointless. For me a gaming pc would cost an absolute fortune as I have nothing, id have to start from Scratch. So buying a ps4 made most sense for me. I could spend more for an average pc which would play the same games but a little bit prettier, but then id be missing out on the ps4 exclusives which I want so in my view, im spending less and getting more.
@2pac
Don't tell that to all the sony fans who keep bringng it up. I don't understand why people act like its the strongest thing to game on.
Im mainly a PC gamer, yet I dont give a $h1t about PC superiority over consoles in raw power.
Its all about exclusives, also not to mention poor optimization on PC for many latest games (e.g Watch Dogs, AC4).
Look how underpowered was Wii compared not to only PC but also PS3, yet sales wise it was a winner.
What about the poor optimization on consoles. You act as if we are struggling to beat consoles at Watchdogs. I can play it at 1080 45fps / High.
"amiga-man says - Yet for all the PC's so called power, they will never come close to the simplicity and ease of use of consoles"
lol this site is funny at times...
I swear, you know when fanboys feel small, they resort that type of comments.
Obviously you guys do care because you have flooded into this article, heating it up, all so you can downplay and bash the PC and talk up consoles.
Apart from console gamers, that take every opportunity to show PC gamers how "close" or "better" their versions are.
When they are clearly wrong 100% of the time.
Lol.
That's cool and all, but I'm not into playing History Channel games and lame ass games no one has ever heard of.
That's because you're demonstrating 'sheep' mentality. You'd rather be sales pitched what's good rather than discover it yourself.
@AD705: Consoles are set platforms. PCs are not. Therefore, having a PC vs console debate is almost impossible because people rarely properly grasp the fact that "PC" doesn't say anything about the hardware specs. It's a moving target and thus open to complete subjectivity. When people say "[Game X] looks better on PC" I immediately write off their opinion and quit listening, because they are grossly oversimplifying reality.
"Anytime soon"? As if to imply that the One and PS4 will get more powerful in the future? Furthermore, both are as powerful as a "decent" gaming PC today. They will lose ground over time.
FailingBolt strikes again. Easily the most consistently stupid site to show up on N4G. Somewhere, HipHopGamer is wondering how his goofy arse got booted but they didn't.
You're wrong there, the small section of PC owners who actually own a PC more powerful than the next gen consoles care!(and the ones who don't but pretend they do too) They're the most vocal, telling everyone they NEED to play games with ultra graphics settings in order to have any fun!!
I know a PC elitist who swears PC > Console regardless of game, extras, and configuration. He's also a big WoW player and any game who doesn't match what WoW does in $ and player base is automatically second-rate.
What I like best about consoles; buy the system, buy the game, done. No "I gotta spend $ on another graphics card that's outdated in 6 months," or spend countless hours wondering why certain drivers don't work with certain hardware/games. The only thing I give PC credit for is free online, and multiplayer games "can" last as long as the community is able to host servers.
and the arguement is never really about raw power. of coarse the raw power of most pcs is higher, we can all look at specs. How that translates to games is different. Pcs have 10s times more power than last gen consoles but dont look 10x better. graphics to power isnt linear and optimization makes a huge difference. Plus the reason for choosing consoles isnt that they would be higher speced than every pc.
You guys realize if you didn't buy consoles those exclusive would still exist but you wound not be forced to buy 3 different platform to buy em all and you would be on a better platform overall.
And i'm one of them that don't care! as long as a game looks good,
that's all it matters. The fanboys (ugh, fanboys), the elitists (ugh, elitists)
are the only ones that cares. I'll grab a 2 large pizzas & boneless bbq
chicken and watch them go at each other about who has best games
and hardware.
The PC gaming community consist of people that play the sims, Facebook games, WOW, and crap like that, most of them don't care about PC power, and most people don't have high end gaming rigs, they get whatever you buy in the store and are happy with that.
PC will always have a power advantage, but gaming innovation happens because of consoles, when do devs push there games to the next level,when do they make new engines, and try to put more into there games, when new consoles come out that's when
Lol, did you even stop to think what you wrote before you posted. 0 innovation comes from consoles. They are too expensive to develop for Devs to take risks. That's why all we're seeing is the same stale formula's and re-releases. PC with its Indy scene gets the lions share of innovation. There's no two ways about it.
I've got a gaming rig and yet when it comes to actual gaming, I almost always prefer console gaming instead. PC is good for certain games but the vast majority are much more enjoyable from the comfort of my couch with just a controller and not a keyboard and mouse.
That being said, does it really matter? Today's consoles are more then sufficient at pumping out some pretty damn good looking games. Play to what you enjoy. I enjoy RTS and MMOs on PC, everything else though on console!
Yet people care about resolution and frame rate more these days...
If no body cares about Power then we shouldn't be seeing articles everyday about 720p vs 900p vs 1080p vs 4k.
People do care, they just want to believe they have the better graphical version over someone else and the fact most kids cant afford a gaming rig they pretend they don't exist. Its common childish behaviour. Ignore the best only to think your the best.
@2pacalypsenow
Yeah I have seen your post history you only seem to care when it is PS4 vs. Xbone. All you stupid fanboys need to be sterilized.
@2pacalypsenow
The only thing that is in it's own world is you and all the other stupid ass fanboys.
It will also be a while until PC catches up with the quality of console exclusive AAA titles.
I don't constantly upgrade my PC anyway. It was a decent gaming pc in 2012 and the PS4 is better than that anyway.
I wonder how many people actually have top of the line pcs to play these games at absolute maximum settings. I'd rather support the indy games on steam these days than spend my money constantly upgrading my GPU.
This is just false, I'm sorry. If those are seriously in game graphics in UC4, then they can easily keep up with a DECENT gaming PC. I'd say a PS4 is high mid range, and an xbox one is low midrange.
These consoles aren't built to compete with high-end PC's. If you can build a PC for $400 dollars that will run games as well as a PS4 or Xbox One then go do that.
The comparisons between a $400 machine and a $1000 gaming PC need to stop.
Who needs to compete with high-end hardware PC? Most of the video game industry develops for consoles, it's completely unnecessary to compete with the niche high-end PC gaming market.
Valve and Blizzard cater to the low-end gaming rigs all the time. The requirements for Star Citizen aren't high-end either.
Yes they won't be able to.........
But who needs to match them when you have uncharted 4 when it surpasses all current game graphics even on those 2000$ rigs
I can't wait for the butthurt responses to your comment.
I think pre The Order/Uncharted you would get more.
PCs and consoles are both worth having IMO.
oh and....
"PS4 & Xbox One Won't Be Able To Match The Raw Power of A Decent Gaming PC Anytime Soon"
No kidding!?
Luckily most PC gamers have either 1 or both consoles...
Like me so it's win, win and win.
I have no need to snipe with slight hints of jealousy.
Yes, a trailer surpasses every game out there.
And even when uncharted is released there will most likely be a pc game that looks better, hell a heavily modded watch dogs or gta will most likely look better.
Yes a trailer that was all INGAME footage, you need to also remember that this game still won't release to 2015 which gives tons of time for polish so most likley it will look even better come release.
@xReDeMpTiOnx
An in-engine cutscene is not the same as it looking like that while you're actually playing. They use higher fidelity models and assets specific to cutscenes because they have much more control over what's rendered in a cutscene.
PC are constantly evolving machines, while consoles are just updated every generation which is 5-7 years and 8 years at max, so this article is irrelevant.
"so this article is irrelevant"
So why did you approved it then? Sasuke strikes again. LOL and smh
Approve
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XiSasukeUchiha (1) | 46m ago
PS4 & Xbox One Won't Be Able To Match The Raw Power of A Decent Gaming PC, EVER: Futuremark
Fixed the headline, still don't care and love my consoles.
Also what ppl tend to forget is devs are the ones who bring out the beast in these games. PC obviously triumphs consoles in all around performance but the question is will devs ever use all that power? No is the answer. Just because a pc has more overall power, does not mean devs will take full advantage of it. Only one really pushing it is crytek but thats the best your going to get.
The power of PCs IS being used. To run games at much higher resolutions, with better textures, higher quality effects, new effects, high quality anti-aliasing and 60+fps requires a lot of hardware performance.
A lot of multiplats last generation were almost a generation ahead of the console versions. Games like Far Cry 3, The Witcher 2 and Tomb Raider, while they were available on both PC and consoles, looked amazing on PC and can even compete with some of the better looking current gen console games.
and what's the minimum cost of a decent gaming Pc? I keep forgetting!!!
will it have all the hit games like uncharted, halo, gears, god of war
nobody gives a damn about geeks, everyone mostly has a desktop anyway and can upgrade their Pc as and when they wish yet still enjoy their console of choice
You can build a pc around around 600-800 bucks with more poweful hardware and does much more than buying 3 new consoles that will cost well over 1000 dollars. Paying monthly for online fees just to play online and pay more for every game.
im not going to discuss the cost of plus or the extra costs of pc but " pay more for every game" hasnt really been true for a while. AAA games cost 60$ on all platforms.
I made the mistake of getting Watch Dogs for my PC, without listing specs, (Trust me, my PC is above mid range) it is a steaming, unoptimized pile of poo. I have to have it set to mid range and it still runs like garbage.
That's one game, you can't use that as the rule. Some games are badly optimized, such as WatchDogs, but the vast majority are optimized well. Otherwise I could say 'Enslaved run like crap on my ps3, console games are so unoptimized!'.
And yet the games I want to play are mostly available on consoles, not PC's...yeah..so there's that. If a gaming PC doesn't even have the games I want to play, all that power's pretty much gone to waste, hasn't it now?
Mind you, that's just me. I was a PC gamer for nearly three decades and eventually just tired of it. If you like gaming on your PC and love the games out for it, more power to you. I just stare at this thing 8 hours a day, every day and the last thing I want to do is spend what precious little game time I have still staring at my PC's screen.
Lol what games? You guys are talking about UC4 and The Order as if its already out. Consoles are getting a miserable 2 or so AAA games every year. So much waiting around. What do you guys even play while you're forever waiting?
What, you need a list? Last of Us, the entire Uncharted series, Little Big Planet, Journey, Infamous (1,2 and SS), Gears of War 2, God of War 3, Gran Turismo, Forza, Demon's Souls, Heavenly Sword, Heavy Rain, the Killzone series, Metal Gear Solid, MLB, Puppeteer, Ratchet and Clank series, Resistance, holy crap...anything to do with Mario, Donkey Kong or Zelda over the years...the list of console exclusives literally goes on an on, with no sign of slowing as great developers forego PC in general due to the huge piracy problem.
Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with PC gaming. If that's your hobby, fantastic. But to dismiss the excellent and classic games available only on consoles is just ignorant. If you're so stubborn that you can't even fathom playing a console only game, all I feel for you is pity as a fellow gamer. Waiting around for decent console games to play? I don't think I've waited around for games to play in the last 20 years of gaming on consoles. I don't know what fantasy world you're living in. Maybe too much World of Warcraft has rotted your brain. Or is it Farmville you're addicted to on the PC?
The problem with PC is that we get half assed ports like Dead Rising 3 clocking in at 30FPS. I understand that it is hard to program for that many different configs but don't lock people in to make the Xbox look good.
Certainly glad I made PC my main platform this gen I am amazed at the difference and love the tech , but will always go back for some Forza no console multi plats this gen though.
Lol I'm pretty much the same. The only thing PC doesn't have is a killer car modding game. If I buy any of these wimpy machines it'll be an X1 just for Forza 6.
But I still want to play Sunset Overdrive. End of Story.
Power doesn't mean everything.
Exactly. For me it's Uncharted 4. When I think of all the fantastic, console only games I would have missed last gen if I stuck with the PC...it just isn't worth it if the games you want to play aren't there. All that power doesn't mean anything if it doesn't have the games you want.
Who said you can only own one gaming device?
I, for one, have a Ps3, Ps4, Vita, and a very powerful PC.
Are you guys from africa or something?
I hear Robert Mugabe has a kick ass pc and every console ever made. He's terrible at Sim City apparently.
Find a prebuilt pc guarenteed to run all games for the next 10 years for $400. You can't
I love when people say that. Lets say this generation last 7 years thats about 400 more dollars because of live services so thats about 800$ Plus the ridiculus game prices and money saved through steam and you have more than enough money to build a good gaming rig to smash consoles.
Gamefly,used games, you dont need to pay for live services if you don't want to.
In that 7 years you would have had to buy an original pc that was more expensive and upgrade at least once for a few hundred dollars. yes this cost of games is just a silly argument because there are deals everywhere. What about a game pc using 2-4 times the electricity. Also with consoles you pay a lot less initially, upgrade less often, dont worry about how well a game will run, have one set os built for games, a single network built for games, a controller and other accessories made for games and guaranteed to work, and designed to work in your living room. The only thing pc has that i care about is strategy games (which i play on my laptop like total war) and mods.
I can probably make one for ~$800 that plays all games in 10 years, but it doesn't just play games, it's also a personal computer (that's what PC stands for), which means it's not just for games.
And yet Uncharted 4 which was all in engine running on a PS4,The Order 1886, InFamous Second Son, and Ryse look better than anything on PC and coming to PC.
amen, bro.
And to everyone which disagree.... Dat truth hurt :D
There's Star Citizen which looks crazy, but I don't even think a $1000 PC would be able to handle that game well.
im sure 1000$ pc should but they have said from the beginning that they are going for very high speced pcs.
You mean UC4 amazing char surrounded by blurr, and when it went to the scene with the skeleton s it looked average. Amazing char model I give you that. The order is not in 1080p and is a corridor shooter less demanding, I could use the same about UC but this game seem more closed in. Infamous dead city and focus on particle effects of char powers not overall( particle effects means more than neon glow compare explosion to crysis and others) and basic game mechanics . Ryse not 1080p benefit from it, basic mechanics that Dont stress as much as some PC gamesgames
Gameplay mechanics I'm talking about. Destructibility, rendering complex senerios in open world environment, driving, interaction, complex physics simulation, explosion and other gfx effects is demanding on a system.
You still Dont know if UC is going to be 1080p . If they use the excuse we having in 1920x800 because we want better gfx will y'all jump on them like y'all did ryse.
ah so its just consoles that every game isnt open world and populated by 1m people. Also the effects in infamous and the destruction is actually pretty good.
In about 4 years it'll be just like last gen (and every gen before) where PC overtakes console performace significantly. Remember 2011-2013 games on console vs pc?
Consoles exclusives usually dominate PC games for the first half of the gen, then the second half is always pc-biased
Cool story. Shame most of those games aren't out until god knows when. Have fun waiting for your 2 x AAA games once a year.
And in other news.... PC won't Play Sunset Overdrive or Uncharted:4 .
News at 11
And PC's will never match the install base, sales numbers, and notoriety of console gaming. Game. Set. Match. And no one reply with "more people have PC's" because more people have consoles that can actually run games.
And PCs never reach the game quality of the consoles...i dont mean graphical quality only but over all quality ...com on PC fans admit it you cry every time for every AAA exclusive game which is released for a console ..and please gods and demons to be released on a PC ...also admit that a PC library is filled with crap titles and anyone who is exclusive pc gamer has lost the best games in history
Actually, the information you gave is factually wrong. as of 2012 pc game sales surpassed console game sales across all platforms.
In an interview with intel, its said that PC's in circulation capable of running most games is roughly 300million, while enthusiast level machines are numbered at roughly 100million. every day 27million unique users log into league of legends, a game not available on steam, thats more players than there are PS4's xbox1's and wiius in circulation, combined.
And a decent gaming pc isnt going to cost anywhere near the price of a console....
What you should have said was show me a pc game that uses 512 mb of ram while looking as good as the last of us!
People hate on PCs yet Sony and MS were trying to show you how close a next gen console is to a PC in graphics and infrastructure.
aside from that, I have a 1440p monitor which my rig can run most games at 60hz and some at 120hz... Most games on consoles either have to lower res and/or framerate to achieve opitimal performance at only 1080p...
Console gamers didn't create the idea of the PC Master race. PC gaming did that. We were happy not spending $1000 to play new games when PC gamers starting hating. Now we are the majority. You know what my $1300+ Gaming computer is doing right now? Being used to look at wiki's for what ever PS4 game I'm playing at the moment.
Cool.
But remember, you decided to spend that money on the computer.
So you either blame the PC community which is mainly online and very fallible or you blame your own gullibility.
Me, I thought about the long term effect spending that amount of money on a machine and I'm happy with the money I spent. I have a very powerful PC for games which I want to play and I have a powerful PC for general use, to which I use more than gaming infact.
For your statement to be true I would have to regret purchasing my PC, which is incorrect. The console experience is better. No fanboyism in my post, just replies from butthurt PC enthusiasts.
That's okay as long as we get great games like The Last of Us, Uncharted, inFAMOUS, Metal Gear Solid etc. Because we know that greatness awaits.
PC gaming was supposed to be dead a few years ago and then Steam came along and it's pretty vibrant now.
I still think if you're a gamer then you basically have all three platforms (Xbox, Playstation, PC) eventually.
And you know what they don't need to match the pc because i for one am satisfied with graphics from the order and uncharted 4.
So PS4 & Xbox One can't match a decent gaming PC?
Hmmm...
Somehow I think I can live with that ;)
The most versatile platform is the pc and that simply makes it the best. And its not abt pushing graphics, when it comes to pc its abt seeing and experiencing them without crappy draw distances, without those crappy physx, without pop ins, without those crappy crappy textures, without those terrible dropping to crawl framerates, and emulators playing console games mostly by raw power etc. Basically the way its meant to be played. When it comes to pc, it gives me greater graphics, greater framerates, greater controls, greater resolutions, greater experience but above all it gives me options.
Funny how these guys are saying this, yet that Uncharted 4 trailer looks better than anything, that came before it. Yes I know that Modders can make a game on PC look just as good, but they don't count. Developers will never make a PC multiplatform game look different than its console's versions. It just a new paint job, and a boost in framerate, like Watchdogs for example. Not even the current gen version of Watchdogs look all that better than last gen version. Even the PC exclusive games don't look beyond greater than the console exclusives .
There hasn't been a PC game that had a huge leap in graphics beyond consoles since Doom 3 and Crysis 1. Year after year there are upgrades to AMD and Nvidia Graphic Cards with better specs than the last, yet no developer truly take full advantage of them to the point of using all the power. Well PS4 and X1 are technical not upgradable PCs, but developers are pushing these PC consoles far enough to have great results like Uncharted 4! So yeah these things are like mid range PCs, but that's all you need to achieve CGI like graphics. Isn't that what we all want? What is power if you don't take full advantage of it? Why do developers leave it just to the Modders to take full advantage of PC graphics?
For the people that disagree with me answer the question. What is power if you don't take full advantage of it? And has any developer use all the power of lets say a 6970 AMD Card or 690(what I have now) Nividia card? Uncharted 4 is a result of a developer using all the power of something as low as 570 card for example, without choosing a new card every year. Yes last gen PCs can achieve Uncharted 4 graphics if taken full advantage of them. This is what PC gamers need to understand, instead of hearing stupid arguments about PC is better than next gen consoles. I have a high end PC, but I am a console gamer at heart. I am tired of when every game release on PC, one graphic card brand version of the game, is more optimized than the other. Take Tomb Raider for example, AMD was better at launch for it, than Nvidia which ran into some issues. Remember that Lara hair physics that slow down PCs? All that by the way was more optimized for both PS4 and X1, plus those versions look better than the PC version. I will be getting Witcher 3 for PS4, so I don't run into that mess of which graphic card is better optimize for it.
im not so sure any pcs can achieve those graphics pc specs wise look like they could do alot of things with graphics but what they cant do that the last gen ps3 and this gen ps4 have is be made by people that make movies so no matter how much of a 'gulf' that pc specs have over ps4 the fact that ps4 is created by japanese people who make movies still isnt going to let pc just hop past these graphics people are taking advantage of pc specs in full but are missing that movie maker element in pc hardare
Saying mods don't count is bullshit, and probably why you got so many disagrees. They absolutely count. I'm willing to bet they would really start to matter if console games starting offering mod support. They count because they exist. They improve game play as well as graphics. Plus they have been part of gaming longer than Playstation has existed. To answer the only reasonable question you asked "Why do developers leave it just to the modders to take full advantage of PC graphics?" Because they are developing for a wide range of hardware. Not all hardware can run for example Skyrim with mods alone using up 3 gigs of VRAM. But I've yet to see a console game touch that game graphically, which is from 2011 mind you. I've played inFamous, and seen the trailers for The Order and UC4. None of them are using 4k textures on everything, at 1440p/60fps. Nor could they. I love gaming on both my ps4 and my pc, but the argument which is has the better looking games/better performing games is too easy to win for pc (talk to me when your playing games at 60fps minimum, in 1440p+ resolutions minimum). Now to be clear, when I say pc, I mean my pc. I can't speak for all pc's, I know pc is a general term. But that's also the beauty of pc's, they are all about what you want to build and nothing else. Your not limited to this hardware or that, it's all about what you want to spend, and not what some company thinks you need for the next 7+ years. I personally like to decide for myself what will be sufficient.
How much does a "decent" PC cost?
Considerably more than a PS4 or XB1. Possibly even more than both together. And requiring far more consumer upkeep. And being far less efficient. And lacking all the exclusive franchises people buy consoles for.
Really, I don't think most console gamers- if any- care at all. This is the type of thing that PC elitists use to make themselves feel better. Plenty of that going on above.
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... $29.99
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... $54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... $72.99
http://www.newegg.com/Produ... $119.99
Subtotal: $487.94 That's a PS4 1 game and PSN+ dafuq you talking about?
can anyone of the dedicated PC gamers only ..love any of their games??? i will answer ..NO ...Consoles are for the exclusives titles which are made specifically for each console and i dont know any of them to have been copied exactly on a PC (smwhere or smthing always lacking)..and these are GEm games which all love and (all want to play ) All fan pc gamers cry every time for a console game to be released on a PC with the crap games which PC library is filled..i own a PC but i dont PLAY games on it end of story
When I buy a game on console, over my gaming rig, I know that it is gaurenteed to work (more or less...). I am DONE paying to upgrade my PC. DONE!
hmmm spend $400 once for good enough or $1000 now + hundreds in RAM/GPU/CPU updates for slightly better >.>
Look at all the next-gen consoles elitists. Anyone who argues the benefits of an XBO/PS4 over PC shouldn't even own a next-gen console.
#1 - Exclusives. XBO/PS4 are brand new and have almost no exclusives compared to PS3/360.
#2 - Price. If you think $400 for a console is cheap, you can get a 360 or PS3 for $200. Much less used. No reason to get a XBO/PS4 when most new games are cross-gen.
#3 - No upgrades. You guys HATE upgrading. PC users? They're slaves to having to upgrade. That's all XBO/PS4 are right now: upgrades to the 360/PS3. Don't pay more just to play games with prettier graphics!
#4 - Graphics. Next-gen elitists are the first to call PC users elitists for having 4K, 144hz monitors, and surround-gaming. Don't be like them! 1080p isn't that big of an upgrade over 640p!
#5 - Framerate. 60fps is too smooth! Stay with 360/PS3 and get more cinematic 30fps games!
#6 - Optimization. Next-gen elitists are always bragging about the potential of console optimization. 360/PS3 are at the peak of their optimization! The XBO/PS4 are new and unoptimized. Put your money where your mouth is and get a PS3/360!
#7 - Games. They're way cheaper on PS3/360. GTAV is going to be released for $60!!! A quick Google search shows GTAV for 360 for only $33!!!
Don't be a next-gen elitist! Get a PS3 or 360!
My cpu specs are
Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
16GB RAM
Intel Core i5 3750k 3,4 Ghz Quad Core
Asus Nvidia GTX 760 2GB.
Is my PC more powerful than PS4/X1?
Thats the way it should be but it's not because no one will make the most out of PC for fear of sales & alienating people.
Consoles have already caught up with PC's running at "Ultra" settings even though the parts inside are twice if not 3x as powerful in PC's.
Games used to be made specifically for the computer they wanted them to be made for & exactly how they wanted them to be. Now everyone is just greedy & its all about putting 'just enough' effort in to pass it off & stick it on everything so you can get as much money as possible.
We wont ever get back to the way things were simply because are education system & media teaches us you have to be ruthless & greedy in order to win life because it's all a competition.
idk, i might have done something wrong. But I built a pc in march for around 1000 dollars(not including monitor, m/kb). My ps4 runs stuff better than my pc...I have tried wolfenstein and watch dogs on both, ps4 blows it out of the water
I just built a custom NZXT 630 Phantom rig last November that wipes the floor with the Xboxone And PS4 but, I'm still enjoying my consoles while not letting my PC collect dust. I guess the argument is war for some and to others like myself who don't care about the argument.
When it is PC vs consoles graphics do not matter?
But when it is PS4 VS xbox one VS wiiu graphics matter?
Every argument from a console fanboy is just plain idiotic.
graphics matter in exclusives vs anything pc which pc nerds are scared to ever compare side by side actual gameplay even last gen ps3 exclusives vs any pc game and any pc game now pc nerds are a joke
Ps4 Might not be a power house to a pc but seeing uncharted 4 live its comparable to like having a $1000 doller pc cos it looks that good
Problem with console makers atm is they want profit on each system sold and profit on each game sold from day one. If they really want to get back to winning performance they need to make a loss on the systems, but today they just too greedy.
Even though it is true, that consoles are not as powerfull and open for other applications as pcs, in terms of gaming it doesn't even matter. Why? Because most AAA games by now are mainly created for consoles, because the majority of potential buyers do not own a gaming pc, but a console.
You can have the best gaming pc in the world, play 4k or higher, 120 fps, 3D and so on, doesn't matter, as long as gaming console exists you can spend thousands of dollars for a gaming pc, but most big games won't even use a notch of the power, because consoles dominiate the market and why invest resources into developement just to make the minority happy, while the majority will not even whitness this. Games will be held back as long as consoles are dominant due to their hardware restrictions. Therefore there is no need for an average gamer to have this advantage in terms of raw computing power when it comes to gaming and for the hardcore pc gamers it is just a waste of money since the games are held back, except you are absolutely into extreme high end graphics.
True, thank god for the benefits of having fixed hardware to exploit their full potential and for amazing developers huh?
No worries PC-Gamers, my Souls Games (Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2) will Keep me busy till Bloodborne Comes for my Ps4. Then I will have my collection completed. All on Playstation, where the series was born. Ouh, wait... Xenoblade Chronicles for my Wii U...
Look at the wording.
RAW.
No Console can ever match the raw power.
But PS4/x1 will continue to push sweet looking highend games.
More so with the PS4.
More stuff on PS4 needs to be on GPGPU, and Cpu needs to be used efficiently.
Everybody knows this, even us console gamers,
but we're perfectly happy with that, since it's less cost both on the bills & on the purchase, especially for what we get in the end.
OK this statement makes no sense. The hardware in these consoles won't ever change, so the "raw power" will not change either. So if they can't match the "raw power" of a decent gaming pc now, it won't ever match it.
Could care less about PC gaming abut i will say ive yet to see any PC game touch ryse
well the exclusives are the main selling point of a console, i think they are quite powerful as they are, if anyone want maximum AA and 4k well you can throw money on PC.
A PC more powerful than a console. In other breaking news water is wet. I will take my PS4 over anything. The PS4 has so many exclusive games that so happen to be my favorite. Plus show all these games on PC that look so much better than Killzone, Infamous, The Order, Uncharted, Drive Club, Bloodborne, Deep Down, and so on. You can't!
Well duh! Doesn't stop me from buying consoles though, power gap will always be there(°! ° )
And yet, it takes those powerful PCs to make all these console games we play and enjoy so much(°! °)
Saying the obvious and so???
Without consoles no AAA games.
Consoles + handheld ones hold more than 68% of market share of video games while being much less than the pc base.
Watchdog pc 400k
Watchdog console 3600k
and more than half of it on less than 13 millions consoles base (ps4.xbone)
So guess where the Devs will put most of their lead support???
Now that you got the picture, i'll add that power without tight control is useless. and the ratio power/efficiency is the console pie and the pc does not even come close.
Ps : maybe with mantle and Dx12 pc should gain more power/efficiency ratio, but being versatile by nature, it will always need some additional abstract layers. Hence more waste of power.
I have ps4 and xbox one.....maybe it's time to give PC a shot......any good suggestions on where to get a powerful PC for say $1000 to $1200?
What I enjoy about consoles is the fact that I can sit back and relax and play,
PC Gaming is fun too mainly for its mods, I will own a PS4 soon and a high end gaming PC sometime in the future, so I don't care, I love my consoles!
In other news, a $16k corolla won't have the performance of a $90k Porsche any time soon either....
No shit pc's can be more powerful....
All I can think of while reading this is fat 40 year old virgins living in mothers basement :/
Oh here we go again, show me anything matching the uncharted 4 footage on pc and then i may listen to that argument.
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There are so much out there games with ENB mods have blown my mind also look up Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous Alpha
As a software developer, I can safely say that developing games against the same hardware (consoles) for the next 6-7 years would make you a better developer overall. You'd have to learn to take advantage of every single CPU cycle and GPU resources, and optimize your code, compared to the "loose" programming techniques that are used for PC games nowadays.
Numbers on paper doesnt change for consoles so if they doesnt match up now they wont ever.
At the speed electronics evolve any amount of real world performance a console may gain through optimizations are probably not going to be enough to topple the pc version counterpart on a decent rig.
The most powerful pc's are multiple times more powerful already.
current consoles wont age quite as gracefully as the previous ones, but Ill be totally fine with the ps4 for a handful of years because the fact still remains that there is still power to harness and ways to improve. Also Driveclub looks sick as fudge.
I'm sure that everyone will or should agree with what i'm about to post.
@PS4 & Xbox One Won't Be Able To Match The Raw Power of A Decent Gaming PC Anytime Soon
To the person who wrote this and obviously believes that this article states something more than what most people already know;
No shit!
Uhmm... strange uhmm ?!?!?..
expecially from a company that have the "worst" benchmark in history.
this company remember me "crytek".. graphics graphics graphics.. is but.. i never saw this incredible graphics... "newer".
So much denial, blind loyalty, and ignorance in here.
Seriously?..."you pay thousands and thousands a month to upgrade!!!" "PC can't hold candle to PS4!!" "you can't lay back on a couch with a controller...HUNCHED OVER LOL" etc...
Every time I read the fanboy drivel on n4g, I literally need to search out "humanity restored" videos on youtube.
Here is the thing guys I'm a die hard ps fan boy but guys pc has and will always be steps ahead of ps4 and millions steps ahead of xbo lol sorry. But anyway the pc is stronger and can be cheaper or more expensive depends on the user. Pc games have gone from being mostly 50 to most games being 60.
I don't understand why pc even puts out physical discuss anymore due to the fact that most to all retailers are carrying less and less games for pc when steam is the place to buy pc.
Sorry last thing was off topic but consoles are just a better experience in the over all look at things. (my opinion) I hate sitting at a desk to play games it's uncomfortable my back hurts after awhile of sitting there. When I get to sit on my couch and turn on the ps4 thats the best part my day.
I understand that steam big picture is out there but it's not the same as just having a console like ps4 to play on. Maybe the steam boxes can change this.
PC fan boys are like Elliot Rodger "look at me i am beautiful i am pc masterrace"
eh eh eh.
Ever read the comments in an article comparing ps4 graphics to Xb1 graphics on a multiplat? It's way worse. You won't ever see a worse pit of shit than one of those comment sections.
When uncharted 4 was shown at E3 the world caught fire.....from all the pc elitists being burnt.