PS3 Virtua Tennis 3 in 1080p

The "holy grail of full HD" is confirmed for Sega's PS3 tennis title. At its press event in Tokyo yesterday, Sega revealed, or rather boasted, that Virtua Tennis 3 runs in 1080p on the PS3. Displaying the game on slick HD sets with 1080p placards next to them, it looked absolutely glorious in high-res.

This makes Virtua Tennis 3 the second PS3 title confirmed to run in 1080p, next to Gran Turismo HD, and demonstrates that third party publishers are able to achieve what's been dubbed the holy grail of full HD on PS3. Sony has touted the PS3's ability to render 1080p images as a large benefit over the Xbox 360, which is incapable of generating them at such a resolution.

[Marty8370]

Awesome

[bilal]

is on his way to tell us that there is no difference between 720p and 1080p. and xbox360 can do that (yet not a single game ever supported 1080p and no game is announced to support it)
also then he would tell u that resolution and graphics are not that important.

also there were some posts yesterday that said that ps3 may only be able to support tetris in 1080p, those people should put a shotgun in their a$$ and pull the trigger, so this kind of crap dont get to this site.

[calderra]

I can pick this one up. There are currently two games in 1080p, Gran Turismo HD and Virtua Tennis 3.

GT:HD- was basically the high laughing point of Sony's whole e3 '05, because it's only GTA4 running in 1080p, which probably took about 2 seconds of programming. "Max res = 1080p". Hey look, I just did it myself!

Virtua Tennis 3- When have Tennis games ever pushed a console's power? Two players, a flat court, and a ball. Man, that's crazy powerful!

If the PS3 were capable of outputting games in 1080p with no serious performance problems, ALL games in development would be doing 1080p. The lack of titles going for "the holy grail" is proof that it really does cause a hit to performance. Sony devs, feel free to prove me wrong here.

Just to restate:
-GT:HD WAS A NON-PLAYABLE DEMO THAT WAS ALMOST LAUGHED OUT OF E3!
-Virtua Tennis 3 IS A TENNIS GAME!

If Xbox 360 were the one outputting 1080p, all the Sony fans would be ripping it to shreds because of these titles. Sony fans, you need to see that this isn't about "M$ zombeez!!".

When Devil May Cry and Metal Gear Solid are running 1080p in 120fps like Kutaragi promised (remember?), then people will leave Sony alone. When ONLY two games are the only ones doing 1080p though, and they're not even particularly strong games, expect to take flak.

[UrbanJabroni]

I understand that Sony (or associated developers) obviously isn't going to release images of what their games look like on "regular" televisions, but I for one find this to be the most important aspect of the console.

I understand that the standard forum argument tends to be "Who the hell buys a next generation system to play on a regular television", but the fact is that 90%+ of all consumers have regular televisions...

As many 360 owners know, these games don't look quite as stellar on standard definition televisions...so I think the _real_ key for Sony is not how they display 1080p, but how the games look on a Walmart $300 television. If there is substantial quality loss, then those are the screens consumers will judge the sytem by (and vice versa).

[Captain Tuttle]

I think developers are starting to learn this, like Capcom with Dead Rising.

[Marty8370]

U hav the options of either SD or HD, 4/3 or 16/9 or not.Resistance is doin the same.

[shotty]

Same with Dead Rising eh. Sure the games support all the resolutions but the lower res TVs look horrible. I have an HDTV so no problem here, Dead rising looks beautiful but devs need to think about standard tvs aswell.

[ASTAROTH]

Looks amazing on an SDTV, the problem is you berely can read the text. When Othis send you a message of the things going on in the mall, you need glasses or to have a good imagination. I hope this problem doesnt happen with VT3 cause developers have to realize not everybody have HDTV!!!

[ElementX]

The only reason this will display in 1080p is because it doesn't have a lot of complex animations and few moving characters on screen.

[TheMART]

exactly

Furthermore, who will be able to watch anything in 1080p?

99,9% of all users will have a 720p HDTV at home

[kmis87]

But in a couple of years who knows how many people will have 1080p tvs? 3 years ago, nobody I knew had hd tvs. Right now my family's only got a 720p tv, but next summer I'm saving up to buy a 1080p bigscreen(this summer I saved up to buy a wii and a ps3 lol).

[kmis87]

Sorry, I don't know why it did that.

[TheMART]

Let's compare it with the past then.

How long did we have PAL and NTSC? for 3 years and then upgrade? No.

HD LCD's are flying off the shelves right now. That is 720p native screens. Do you really think those people will upgrade to 1080p native screens in 3 years? No.

Why would one save to buy a 1080p native one when they have a 720p one? For real, how much does the improvement actually gets? Between PAL/NTSC and HDTV 720p the improvement is big, but above that marginally.

And what about TV footage, all in 720p native. And the price? The 1080p models are around 4000 dollars, the 720p are between 700 and 1100 for a good one. Even if 1080p models get cheaper, the 720p will be cheaper also. 1080p gets 2000 dollar, 720p will cost 350 to 600. What you'd think people do.

Right you're living in a dream. Even almost all PS3 games are and will be in 720p. Things don't change that fast in 3 years.

CD's were there for longer before DVD came. DVD has been here for a longer life cycle then 3 years, widescreen TV's needed a long time also before they sold to masses. 1080p will be for nerds and a very, very small percentage of people the coming 5 years

But in a couple of years who knows how many people will have 1080p tvs? 3 years ago, nobody I knew had hd tvs. Right now my family's only got a 720p tv, but next summer I'm saving up to buy a 1080p bigscreen(this summer I saved up to buy a wii and a ps3 lol).

[lalaland]

Funny how you've gone from "PS3 will never support 1080p in games!" to "We only need 720p!". :-)

But ofcourse you are somewhat misinformed yet again.

Most LCDs today support 1080i signals AND have a native panel resolution higher than 720p namely the resolution of 1366x768. So that is 768 lines -- not 720 lines as in 720p. Now 1080i will, according to experts from EBU (European Broadcasting Union -- the guys who more or less decides the TV-standard for Europe), optically/visually in a scene with loads of action approximate to a 760-780 line resolution (slow moving scenes will have a higher optical resolution).

To match the native resolution of flatpanels 720p software has to be upscaled, which anybody with a bit of Photoshop knowledge can tell you is not a good thing.

That is why most if not all people will find the resolution of 1080i scenes look superior on their 768 line LCD compared to 720p scenes, both because they don't have to be upscaled, but also because the optical resolution matches the native resolution of the panel. And even moreso for 25-30 fps software like movies (24fps) and (a bit disappointingly) most initial games for the next-gen consoles, since 1080i then in practice is just about the same as 1080p.

So 1080i or even 1080p is vastly superior for almost all owners of LCDs today and in the coming years where 1080p flatscreens will become the norm, it will be even more superior.

[bilal]

no game on 360 can do that.
oh and by the way i forgot u The Mart (one of the internies hired by microsoft for bullshit*ing ps3)
and this 99.9% is incorrect make it 110% and may be u would be offered a real job (like say game analyst ) by microsoft!

[ApocalypseShadow]

that with time and effort,the system will start proving its worth.maybe even achieving those TARGET RENDERS of e305.course heavenly sword was already looking that way in 05.but on topic.if you have a hdtv that supports 1080p,more games will be coming your way.present proof.future proof.

[Marty8370]

HDTV's are already out that do 1080P and they hav come down in price.So they are affordable.

[TheMART]

What do you call affordable?

4000 dollars?

People will rather buy a 720p one for 700 dollars.

Just like they prefer a HD-DVD standalone for 500 dollar instead of a BR standalone for double the money

[Boink]

it's not going to be mainstream for the next 2-3 years at least.

[kmis87]

2-3 years from now is still less than halfway through the console's lifecycle though.

[TheMART]

Assassin's Creed -- 720p (running on PC PS3 emulation software)

Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway -- 720p (running on an Xbox 360)

The Club -- 720p (running on an Xbox 360)

The Eye of Judgment -- 720p

Fatal Inertia -- 720p

Formula One '06 -- 720p (plans for full 60fps but not necessarily any resolution bump-up)

Full Auto 2: Battlelines -- 720p (the team is weighing higher options but defining factor is a 60fps framerate above all else)

Genji 2 -- 720p

Gran Turismo HD -- 1080p

Haze -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Heavenly Sword -- 720p

Heavy Rain -- 720p

Indiana Jones -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Madden 07 -- 1080i

Marvel: Ultimate Alliance -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Mobile Suit Gundam -- 1080i

MotorStorm -- 720p (plans for improvement to 60fps)

My SingStar -- 720p

NBA Live 07 -- 720p (conceptual tech demo, not actual game)

Resistance: Fall of Man -- 720p (aiming for 1080 in either form, but the team is weighing the trade-off in system power consumption)

Sonic the Hedgehog -- 720p

Star Wars: Force Unleashed -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p (tech demo, running on an Xbox 360)

Tiger Woods 07 -- 720p (conceptual tech demo, not actual game)

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas -- Not running on PS3 -- 720p demo running on an Xbox 360

Tony Hawk's Project 8 -- Not running on PS3 -- demo running on an Xbox 360

Untold Legends -- 720p

Virtua Tennis 3 -- 720p (planning for 1080i)

WarDevil (Enigma) -- 1080i

Warhawk -- 720p

So Jin, we can add a tennis game with 2 people running on screen to 1080p great.

What will the last 1080p game be uh Tetris in 1080p with 24 frames per seconde in 4096 colours I guess

[zypher]

dude, this is all irrelevant to the point. Microsoft (and no one else) claimed that 1080 was virtually useless because it wouldn't be fully realized until next-gen. here you have two PS3 games proving them wrong. no matter the circumstances that these games are running at 1080p the fact remains that they are, and that is something that the 360 simply will not be able to do. and since the 360 can't do 1080p, Microsoft wants to go on some crusade saying how it isn't important to gaming, when in fact it is. just because they are Microsoft doesn't mean that you should listen to everything they say. this very article should be proof and case-in-point of that.

[NextGen24Gamer]

Excellent point. Simplistic games can use the 1080p resolution. 2 charactors on screen swing a racket is a good example of simplistic games. Not too much going on and we will see what the final frame rate will be. What many people don't understand is that its a gimmick. But i guarentee everyone if you...

Play the ps3 version of virtua tennis on 1080p on a 1080p television and then you play the 360's 1080i version developed by a different set of devs, on the same 1080p television, you will see that there is little to no difference in the final versions. 1080i games upscaled on a 1080p TV is identical to the human eye. Its the same amount of lines being displayed. Its just one is interlaced but when de interlaced on a 1080p tv...its then being shown in full 1080p. How do I know this? I have a 1080p tv and when I play games on my 360 that are native 1080i...it looks excellent. Now, keep in mind...Less than 5% of consumers have an HD tv. How many of those people are gamers is unknown. And how many of those people have 1080p tv's is obviously a very small amount. So for anyone to brag about 1080p is silly. Its not going to be a factor for the next 4 ot 6 years. So keep in mind its not the signal that matters as much as it is the TV. Folks...if you buy a 1080p tv. You will be getting the best picture possible whether you have a signal in native 1080p or 1080i. Proof of that is the HD dvd players picture quality far superior right now to Blu ray. Its all in the TV folks. From brand to brand to 720p to 1080i to 1080p. Its the Televsions that most don't own that matters.

[zypher]

what resolution is the 360 version at?

[achira]

TopGamer, i remember ign claiming that the ps3 version powns the xbox360 version. with 1080p it will own it even more !!! cant wait to see all details on the womans, loool !

[JIN KAZAMA 187]

MS officially said it themselves, "1080p is virutally impossible to achieve" Well, we see 2 games that are already doing it, Resistance is aiming for it, might happen, might not, but they are aiming towards it. GT4, Yes ITS SMUGGED up, but tis still 1080P!! Its a place holder for GT5. The point is, games are comming out for the PS3 which are in 1080P, which all the 360 fanboys and even MS said was virtually impossible!!

[NextGen24Gamer]

What happened buddy? 3 bubbles? They caught you with the multi accounts? I knew you were behind all my posts getting spammed that one night. As much as you flame and say bogus things....I voted you to talk. everyone deserves a second chance. Stop being a fanboy and evolve into a gamer buddy. Its better that way. You get to enjoy the best of every console.

[ALLGAMER]

all those times the 360 fanboys said it couldnt be done, and that sony lied, is comming back and smacking them in the face.

TheMart, you can post all these lists you want, but the fact is, the 1080p are being done, and you ahve to start somewhere.
First it was that, Sony lied, they cant do it, too much hit on the hardware, NOW its, well, its only 2 games.
What are you guys gonna say if Insomniac pulls it off with resistance, then what? But even if resistance isnt in 1080p, the fact remains, that devs are doing it, and its just a matter of time before it becomes more common.

[Dark Samurai]

will be 1080p too, and that game has more than 2 people on screen.

[babypheonix]

I wanna know framerate if this game is 60fps PS3 will be king again.

[CAPS LOCK]

and there are already 2 1080p games, imagin in like 2-4 years there will be more than 100.

[kingboy]

it`s funny how they hate it and preach how it`s useless and impossible just because it`s coming from a ps3.Soon u shall learn

[CAPS LOCK]

if the 360 had 1080p games then the x box fans would get very happy and say whats the difference betwenn 360 and ps3? remeber how much they dissed the ps3 when force feedback was removed? now that they dont have 1080p games its not a big deal, the fanboys are too much! the ps3 will have good games and i think 600gs is worth it, in terms of what ur getting.

[HaHa]

i know this may not be what the subject is about but i need help, TV's that have HDMI slots sometimes say DVI or HDCP what does it mean and which is better and what is the diffrence??

[lalaland]

HDMI and DVI are basicly the same -- a pure digital signal cable (where Component is analogue). The difference being that HDMI has the audio included in the cable (one less cable) where DVI has not. HDMI is the cable of the future for AV equipment.

The difference in visual quality between HDMI/DVI and Component is theoretically big, but most often neglible if at all existent. Not because of the cabling, but because of the imageprocessors in the TVs of today, which often degrade the signal more than the cabling. Both HDMI, DVI and Component are theoretically capable of all HD-resolutions (720p, 1080i, 1080p), but the TV-sets differ in which formats they can receive through which connections. TV-sets accepting a full Component 1080p signal are a rarity, because of the added analogue to digital conversion and therefore being more demanding on the TVs imageprocessors.

HDCP is the copyprotection required by among others the content owners (moviestudios) and is only possible on a digital connection. It makes it possible to keep the signal encrypted all the way from the source (broadcaster/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray disc) to the screen, making it very very difficult to copy. Moviestudios has the option to use the ICT (Image Constraint Token) to downsample the image, if it cannot be transmitted using HDCP. However, most if not all contentholders recognize that few people have HDCP capable TV-sets and some of the supposedly HDCP capable equipment doesn't fully support the specification giving owners of early equipment all sorts of difficulties (no picture, missing sound and that sort). Therefore they've unofficially decided not to enable ICT before 2013 or 2010 at the earliest.

So to sum it up: HDMI is great to have for the cabling and to be futuresafe, but far from necessary today -- Component will do just fine.

On the other hand, if you've got that gorgeous brandnew 1080p flatscreen, go for HDMI.

[HaHa]

you rock :) i just worried that dvi is an old version of hdmi or something or that it wouldn't work as fine with the 60gig ps3

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Lets not forget this are 1st gen titles, give the devs time to use PS3's power correctly and we will get more games in 1080p. I expect in the 3rd or 4th gen that the majority will be in 1080p.

TheMart is pathetic. Firts he's claiming that PS3 can only run games like Teris in 1080p and now that it was proven otherwise, he's saying nobody needs it, cause most people doesn't have 1080p HDTV's LOL
I tell him RFOM has realisticaly destructable environments, he says he doesn't need that, he's happy with bulletholes LOL
He's so full of hate, he can't just accept anything that could be better than his beloved console has to offer. Even if PS3 would drop photorealistic graphics, he would say he doesn't need that, he's happy with half photorealistic graphics.

[Bunnyslippers]

Virtua Tennis 3
Army of Two (?)
Wardevil
Lair
GT HD
Resistance

[wallace1000]

1080p is great if you have around C$5000 to spend on a massive tv. For those of us who think 45 inchs for a tv is big enough, it is time to listen to the experts. cnet - Sharp's new 1080p 45 inch LCD TV isn't big enough to take advantage of 1080p. cnet in regards to the difference between 1080i/720p and 1080p "But I defy you to distinguish the two on a smaller set like the Sharp 45-inch LCD from 10 feet away." My question to the people arguing that 1080p is the holy grail is - are you going to be owning a 50+ inch 1080p tv in the next few years and if not then why bother arguing about it? It just turns a post into a "my ps3 graphics will be better than your xbox 360 graphics" and vice versa.

[HyperBear]

Sony ppl, how dumb are we?, I mean we've have got to listen to everything TheMart says. He knows it all, hes been there, done that, hes everywhere you think he is. And as a bonus, he doesnt even have a 360. Why, cause hes to busy b!tching at ppl on here, and how do i know he doesnt have a 360, 1. Numerous amount of times ive asked him what his gamertag is, and in his replys he wouldnt tell me. 2. another thing is that, he liked PS3 up until E3, then hated it cause he couldnt afford it. So not only does he know everything in the world of gaming, criticizes my jounalism(everyone does, but not as much as he does), doesnt own a 360, and hates PS3 becaus ehe cant afford it. Man if don't get more gamer than that. LOL. Oh srry TheMart, what site do you work for? myspace?, ooo, very interesting. Get a Life Kid.

[THAMMER1]

Sweet. In the next few years the new games will look better and better. 720p/i and 1080p/i are not that big of a difference in the first place. I own a projector or a beamer and the difference really is not that noticeable. Really some games look better in 720 over 1080. So I think as long as developers play it smart we should all be in for some awesome looking games.

[Raist]

Ok guys, who am I quoting ?
"And I don't want to say I've said it all along... But mark my words: there will be no 1080p games.
And if there are, very, very few. Like Tetris 1080p 24 FPS in 4096 colours. The hardware just isn't capable enough of doing so Sony just uses it as a marketing trick. In the end it's just 720p"

Hahaha. Now turned into "well huh, who cares, nobody has a full HD TV, costs 4000 bucks"
Then in 1-2 years, when full HD TVs may cost like half that price or even less, i wonder what TheMart would say :|

I may be wrong, but i don't think VT3 looks like a tetris game in 24FPS and 4096 colors.
Time to open your eyes man.

[DJ]

Sony said "The PS3 is significantly more powerful than the 360." Microsoft said "no way, you're lying."

Sony said "The PS3 can do 1080p for games." And Microsoft responded with "no way, that's impossible. Your system isn't significantly more powerful than our's, so there's no way it can do 1080p."

And thus Microsoft defenders claimed that what Microsoft said was true. And every time Sony's statements became supported and factual, Microsoft defenders have tried to shoot them down. It's a long process that's been going on for over a year, and it's going to continue forever.

As soon as GT:HD was announced as running in 1080p, thus overruling Microsoft statements that since the 360 couldn't do it that it was impossible, Microsoft defenders said "oh, well that's just a PS2 port. It doesn't count."

Then WarDevil came along and they said "That's just cutscenes. It doesn't count."

And now Virtua Tennis is doing 1080p during full-on gameplay and they say "Well, there's not that much going on. It doesn't count."

See a hilarious pattern? You can even see some people claiming that there's no difference between 1080i and 1080p (which is horribly wrong, as any video tech person can tell you). And others even go so far as to say "Well, there's not that much difference between 720 and 1080. Some things look better in 720, and some things look better in 1080." If that didn't make sense to you, you're ahead of the game. To say that video feeds look better at half the resolution of 1080p (i.e. 720p) is simply flawed logic.

The next logical step that they'll choose once 1080p starts showing up in more and more PS3 titles (MGS4 and Resistance are aiming for it), they'll simply state "The 360 is capable of those kinds of graphics. You just have better development teams. It says nothing about hardware."

Yes it sounds stupid, but you will see this more often. I've already seen it a few times over the past two months, and it's the next in a series of copouts. This will force some of them to see the light and actually become reasonable, while others are obviously stubborn to the end and will say "Well, it doesn't matter if the PS3 is twice as powerful. Games are what matters." Notice that this statement fails to acknowledge that system power is directly used to create games.

The most we can do is refute misinformation and fud spread by stubborn defenders by showing what PS3 titles are actually doing. And the people who have enough sense will look past the rhetoric and see that PS3 really does offer more power, functionality, and value than its competitors.

[clayton]

The 360 actually has higher bandwidth than the ps3 does between the gpu and cpu.

[Dragonopolis]

For years we PC gamers have been waiting for affordable 1600x1200 gaming and we are just starting to see it.

Why? because any true hardcore PC gamer will tell you that there is a significant difference in picture quality when you jump from 1280x1024 to 1600x1200. That said, most PC games still have not achieved playable WUXGA (1900x1200). The fact that a $500-$600 machine can play any game at 1080p (1900x1080 resolution) is truly remarkable. Lets hope Lair and Resistance get the graphic boots as well.

I just bought a new Mitsubishi 57" DLP 1080p for $2500

If anybody is paying $4000 for 1080p your paying to
much. This TV upconverts any signal to 1080p. My HD satellite, my buddy's xbox 360, heck even my old DVD player never looked better.

[beans]

So if a game is displayed in 1080p does that mean it has better graphics or just better clarity? Couldn't you display a game like Pac Man in 1080p and if so would that mean it has better graphics then Heavenly Sword in 720p?

[lalaland]

720p, 1080i and 1080p are just the resolution. You know, making everything looking sharper. It's the same as the difference between a .8MP and a 2MP camera (litterally).

While much of the deciding factor for how a game looks visually is the content. Like comparing a photo of a beautiful forest sunset and a flat grey wall. Most would think of the forest as being the better looking photo, but it would be a subjective oppinion.

But one thing is certain -- uping the resolution would make both look better; Make it possible to see every crack and bump on the wall or see every leave in the forest.

And in this case it is important to notice, that for now Virtua Tennis 3 for X360 is only a 720p resolution game, while it is a 1080p resolution game for the PS3. And not only that, they've managed to include more graphical subtleties (according to a few gamejournalists) on the PS3 version, making it altogether look a lot better on the PS3.

[Dragonopolis]

Better graphics is used as general term to describe all aspects of output to the screen. We could get into detail like better clarity, better Anti-Alaising, better lighting, better physics, better "resolution" sometimes called graphic resolution. High resolutions allow more detail to be displayed much more accurately than in lower resolutions. Since Pacman doesn't have much detail in the game the high resolution won't change the way the games looks. However, when a monitor or TV has a higher native resolution than the actual game or video/tv is outputing at, the results are a smaller picture because the game/video/tv output doesn't fill the entire amount of pixels on the High resolution monitor.

You could zoom the picture to fill the screen (a lot of older TV sets did this) but in doing so you would increase the overall size of the pixel thus getting a very blocky pixelized picture. Better to upscale the image. This would allow "Pacman" to be displayed as it was intend on a Higher resolution monitor without the blocky zooming effects. This could be percieved as "better graphics" since Pacman wasn't ment to be displayed at the higher resolution. Also when you do zoom a high resolution image (or increase physical screen size) you will notice less pixelated or blocky image). This is why a lot of people on the net say that the benefits of 1080i and 1080p are only noticed when screens reach sizes larger than 55" but that issue is still hotly debated and subject to personal opinion.

Now this new clarity for Pacman is the "only benefit" that can be achieved unless someone actually rewrote Pacman to take advantage of all the Pixels and horsepower modern GPUs/CPUs/and tv/monitors provide now. There wasn't a lot of detail built into the game Pacman because it was designed during an era where tvs and computers of today were science fiction. However, if you take a modern game like Fear and increase the resolution and/or AA or whatever, it will graphically improve because there is more detail in the game compared to Pacman which has less detail.

This is still not as good as a game that is written specifically for a Native resolution. If a game developer built a game specifically for 1080p(1900x1080) they would have to also provide a lower resolution version since there is more information on the screen than can be displayed on a lower resolution tv/monitor. Sure there are descalers but the results from descaling is not as good as upscaling and is less desireable. This is why you still see two screen resolutions built into games for Xbox 360. Descaling 720p games to 480p/i didn't always produce the desire results on an Xbox 360 and it was much better to produce two native versions of the game.

PC game developers have way to many screen resolutions to worry about so some will pick a "middle resolution" and play it safe. Other game developers will design game engines that will scale the amount of information displayed to the screen based on what GPU/cpu is available.

Game Consoles typically don't have to worry about resolutions too much. They typically have only 3 resolutions to worry about 1080i/p, 720p, and 480i/p
(there are more these are just common). Typically consoles won't need to worry to much about upscaling/descaling. They would just provide the resolutions that are their target area but at most you'll probably only three. 1080i/p and 720p are pretty much stardard worldwide. However, when trying to support SD a developer might have to worry about PAL/NTSC compatibility as SD resolution had different standards depending on where you live.

Anyway I've blab long enough! Clarity is just one of many aspects that can improve the overall "Graphics" and resolution is just one way to achieve this.

I for one am impressed that the PS3 can achieve any playable game at 1080p at its price. Add to the fact that there will be "launch" titles with 1080p capability strengthens Sony claims that the PS3 is "truly" next-gen.

[beans]

Thanks for the answers guys!

[Solid Snake]

Man you MS fanboys are just becoming more desperate for bad stuff to say, when good news apears for the PS3, funny how it's always the MS fanboys!

[specialguest]

it's just sad how you fanboys can turn a good feature and make it seem like it's a bad thing to have.

sure 1080p will not make a game better if it's not a good game to begin with, but tell me what's so bad about supreme HD res anyway?

hate the game, but don't hate the HD res.

[Silverwolf]

Here's a quote: "Unusually, the two next-gen versions are being created by different developers. Sumo Digital (which is also making the upcoming PSP version) is working on the 360 game, while Sega's internal AM2 version is working on the PS3 version. Checking out the two side-by-side, we didn't notice too many differences. The PS3 game seemed sharper in certain areas like character faces, but that could have had as much to do with the televisions being used as it did anything else"

Big difference 1080P made huh!Besides is this true 1080P textures or just 1080P up-scaling?

[Solid Snake]

That doesn't change the fact that PS3 does 1080p and Xbox 180, oh sorry 360 only does 720p lololololoolololololloolooolol !

[FeralPhoenix]

Im glad to see this game is 1080P, whether or not it will make a difference to the majority who don't have 1080P HDTV is irrevelant, Sony preached this as being only true HD, so I hope we will see more 1080P games, hell why not all of them? If so maybe I might buy a PS3 sooner rather than later, as I've been planning.

[kewlkat007]

Like it was stated "The benefits of 1080p are noticeable in television sets 60 inches and up" Plzz there really won't be no difference. You sonyfanboys getting all excited, when most have SDTV's, its kinda funny really.

Another tidbit everyone can babble about which cleary makes no difference what so ever. We will see what the dev choose though..over the long run. Eventhough I could afford a 1080p set but I really did not see a difference on my 32 incher HDTV. 720p will surfice unless I buy a 70incher which I highly doubt..

Again you don't need 1080p to enjoy a great developed game in 720p. Go ahead and convince yourselves you do, as always.

OK babble on orgasm some more..

"I pity the Fool"

[big_tim]

Did anyone else notice that they were using real units not dev kit. The controller was wired, but the actual unit was being played. That is good news that there won't be any other delays.

[NextGen24Gamer]

The 360 version of VT3 will be in 1080 i. If anyone has played an 1080i game on a 1080p television....Its de interlaced and actually displayed in 1080p if its 1080i native. 720p is upscalled to 1080p on a 1080p television.

[DJ]

"Deinterlacing is the process of converting interlaced video (a sequence of fields) into a non-interlaced form (a sequence of frames). This is a fundamentally impossible process that must always produce some Image Degradation, since it ideally requires "temporal interpolation" which involves guessing the movement of every object in the image and applying motion correction to every object."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

De-interlacing 1080i video does not equal the quality of 1080p video. This is why people and movie studios make such a big deal out of 1080p. If there truly was no visual difference between de-interlaced 1080i and 1080p, they wouldn't even bother with it in the first place.

1080p also requires twice the bandwidth of 1080i since it's technically twice the resolution (video techs can back me up on this one since interlaced video feeds literally only sends half the frame at a time).

[rexdriver]

There is no question in my mind that a system that has taken longer to develop and is utilising newer technology has the potential to be the superior one. It is thus not surprising at all that PS3 might have a performance edge over the 360 which has been out a year ahead. The questions are how much of a GAMING edge it really is, and whether the mass market is ready to fork out the money to optimise that edge at this point in time. I am still inclined to think that Sony has misread the mass market this time, and in the context of this topic, 1080p isn't relevant to a lot of gamers out there, just like blu-ray isn't too.

[Donkey Slayer]

and that doesn't just apply to VT3.. The Darkness and others as well..

Bring on the goods baby :)

[NextGen24Gamer]

The new 1080p televisions have superior De interlacing of 1080i signals. See, I know this because I own a 1080p Samsung TV. I know its hard for you to accept. But its true. Go to any store that sells televisions and take a look at the new 1080p tv's. Before I purchased it, I witnessed myself. A saw a blu ray player with a 1080p signal running on a 1080p tv. Then the salesman hooked up the HD dvd player running on the "SAME" 1080p tv but with a 1080i signal and the HD dvd player looked much better than the blu ray 1080p player. I asked him why is that. He, the head of the TV department, told me that the newer 1080p tv's have superior de interlacing which essentially converts the 1080i signal and makes it 1080p. I asked him is it upscalling the image. He said "NO". He said it upscales 720p images to 1080p. But it doesn't upscale the 1080i signal. Well, I ended up buying the TV and the HD dvd player. And after reading the manual, the salesman was 100% correct. So yes DJ, in general de interlacing on older TV's would degrade the signal. For example, the first hd tv's had 480p and 720p. If you had your normal signal interlaced...for instance 480i....it looked better when it was de interlaced but it wasn't true 480p. But not the new 1080p tv's. Why does that bother you? Its good news for everyone. Tech is getting better and better.

Here is a quote from your wikipedia link buddy...Lots Of Laughs @ You buddy.

"If done by an embedded electronic device, the quality varies depending on the overall quality of the device. High-quality electronic devices also have high-quality deinterlacers. "

[HyperBear]

I agree. Although 1080p is true HD and it is supposed to be the most amazing thing since sliced bread, its not all that great. I have a 32" LCD HDTV from Samsung and when I hooked up the Blu-Ray player to it, then a HD DVD player, the HD DVD stood out more, but Blu-Ray was still up there. Although Blu-Ray mainly supports 1080p, and the TV only supports 1080i, it still looked pretty sweet, but not that sweet to spend 1300 bucks on. So this is my plan. I have a 360, and when the HD DVD player comes, im gonna get that and "1" HD DVD movie. Then on Nov. 17, im getting PS3, and then just get "1" Blu-Ray movie. Then watch both of them on the same tv, the HD DVD add-on will be played thru the 360 and out into componet plug-ins, while the PS3/Blu-Ray will be using a HDMI cable. Then ill judge what will look better, but my opinion is even with all next-gen hardware and blu-ray and hdmi and everything, i am convinced that the HD DVD will be better than Blu-Ray, simply because that HD DVD is better formatted for 1080i or p tvs, whereas Blu-Ray stands out on primairly 1080p tvs, and what like 10ppl have them. But i still think Blu-Ray for games is pretty neat, cause seeing the movies of blu-ray and just thinking the games that can be played using the blu-ray drive is intense. I think, well everyone thinks that the Blu-Ray disc drive for gaming and movies in the PS3 is what is either gonna kill or succeed Sony's PS3. Either way I think 360 = great HD games and great HD DVD movies. PS3 = Awsome BluRay games, but movies for blu-ray are not worth it.

[Donkey Slayer]

Still a bit miffed that MS rushed their product to launch without next gen connection HDMI which is standard in HD sets as well as leaving out a next gen drive.

[HyperBear]

Microsoft only having the Component cables for HD is the best, cause M$ had no plans to have a HD DVD drive for the 360, therefor no reason for an HDMI connection. Besides, it looks pretty kick @$$ even with the component cables. Only reason why PS3 has HDMI is because of the Blu-Ray drive and that the fact that "some" not all games will be in 1080p. and the only way to get that is by HDMI. nut im sure if they wanted to, M$ could release a HDMI adapter for the 360 and then make the 360 HDMI capable, but it would be completely useles, cause the fact that Xbox 360's highest resolution is 1080i off of component cables, the picture still looks better than the PS3 and HDMI and 1080p. Xbox 360 concentrated solely on games and succeeded. Ps3 is like 50/50, and thats ok with me, but for others, thats the reason why they are not getting it, plus PS3 bad news rep. and everything, Sony is lucky they still have ppl like me that are still interested in PS3.

[Donkey Slayer]

which is true. The rest is just fanbody spewing. You sound like even more biased than TopGamer, which takes work.

At least state facts and not false info, you might appear to be a little more objective.

[Optimus Prime]

i cant believe you guys care this much about 1080p. they are video games, just play them. yes high resolution is nice, enjoy it, quit bragging about it. just play video games.

[DJ]

but not many people have HDTVs in general. Three of my neighbors (that i know of) have 1080p TVs, so it's obviously growing. I mean, you open up a circuit city advertisement and they show off 1080p TVs constantly, and especially in-store. No one really advertises "720p!!!" HDMI is pretty much standard on new models now (thankfully they still have component inputs too). Hell, even my DirecTV boxes have HDMI output.

If you're purchasing a 30" HDTV though, there's no real reason to bother with 1080p. Slight visual improvement, but not all that noticeable. It's when you hit around 35 and 40 inches that you start to see the difference, and as the size gets higher 1080p becomes even more vital.

I'm glad Sony put that functionality right out of the box though, regardless of the resolution that consumers TVs support. They're pretty determined not to leave anyone behind.

[NextGen24Gamer]

They will release a first party adapter/cable HDMI or DVI for the 360. They just realize that very few "Gamers" have TV's with HDMI or DVI support. Most consumers that have HD tv's today, which is only 5% of consumers, utilize the componant connections for their HD tv's. Its all about knowing your base consumers and delivering what they "NEED" at an affordable price. This link explains how easy it is for the 360 to utilize DVI or HDMI.

http://xe360.com/article/Xb...

Here is a quote from the link...

Well, during my monthly run through ebgames to check for any previews to write. I found an interesting item come up to display while searching.

At first glance, I said to myself “what, HDMI is not possible for the Xbox 360.” I also do not claim to be a techno guru with the T.V department but that what they were selling. I was searching around the xbox forums to see if this is old news and an interesting tidbit led to quote from anandtech posted by Nielo TM:

"Originally we assumed the chip below was a TV encoder, but we've since found out that the TV encoder on ATI's Xenos GPU is identical to what is on the ATI Radeon X1000 series of PC graphics cards - meaning the Xbox 360's TV encoder is located on the Xenos GPU itself and makes use of ATI's Xilleon display engine.”

"The display engine also features the hardware that actually drives the display output, and Avivo has a number of enhancements here. Dual 400MHz 10-bit per component DAC's remain, as in previous graphics implementations, however this time the TV-Out display engine has been lifted directly from ATI's consumer electronics Xilleon processor (this engine can be found to be driving the displays of many Sony televisions, for example). The last generation of Radeon products only integrated a single link, 165MHz, TMDS transmitter for DVI output, however Avivo products will feature two integrated dual link transmitters, hence two digital panels can be independently driven to 2048×1536 @ 75 Hz or 2560x1600 resolutions."

To reiterate what the above quotes mean is that the Xbox 360 is capable of producing digitial image/audio output. Hopefully I'm not breaking old news to everyone but it is still going to be a interesting view of a Xbox 360 HDMI Cable. The GameStop Universal Premium HDMI Cable is schedule for release on December, 1st 2006 for 99.99 dollars (not surprising).

[DJ]

Microsoft bases its outlook of what consumers need based on current statistics. Based on that they created a system that didn't really push any technological boundaries and played it safe, both financially and strategically.

Sony on the other hand looks at long-term trends and sees what consumers will probably need in 3~5 years. It's a much riskier strategy that requires a lot of planning (and even some luck), but they do push the visible boundaries. In fact, that seems to be the Playstation motto.

It's understandable why Microsoft chooses to give consumers choice instead of giving them the greatest amount of technology for the lowest possible price. Considering how much money they lost on the first attempt, it wouldn't be good for them to take such huge risks the second time around. Based on their outlook, there aren't very many people that own HDTVs so there's no reason to push towards teh highest resolution possible anyway. There's no telling how fast the HDTV market will grow, how many people will want to take advantage of their HDTVs by buying Hi-def movies, etc.

Sony on the other hand sees the potential growth of HDTVs, as well as the monumental leap in visual clarity that 720p and 1080p bring to the table. So they enable their console to support the highest HD resolution and put in a plethora of unproven, but superior, technology.

Microsoft asked IBM to create a CPU capable of multithreading across multiple cores. Thus, IBM gave them proven technology (3 G5 processors on one chip) and Microsoft was greatly appreciative. They knew that dual-core was already happening in the PC sector and that triple-core would be the sweet spot for them.

Sony invited IBM and Toshiba to help create the most powerful consumer CPU in existence, and spent 5 years and $400 million (as well as the trashing of many different versions) in order to come up with Cell. Only one of the 9 processors on the chip is familiar to anyone. The rest of the processors rely on unproven, but vastly superior tech.

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These story comparisons can go on and on. But I do want to bring up the Xenos GPU. After looking it over many times after the past several months, I can definitely say that it's a very innovative design. Unfortunately what's holding it back is low system bandwidth and not enough CPU power.

Allow me to explain. I'm pretty sure that if the Xenos was put into the PS3 architecture that 1080p would be possible with it as well. But in the 360 console environment, I just don't see it happening. The great thing about it is that it uses Unified Shaders. The bad thing is that there's no information on how powerful those 48 ALUs are since there's no direct comparison to anything that ATI's made, let alone nVidia.

nVidia experimented with Unified Shaders, but trashed the project. They claimed that the ends didn't justify the means (despite being efficient, the shaders just weren't powerful enough). ATI might've overcome this obstacle, but it's doubtful considering that they agreed that nVidia's RSX has more power in interviews after E3 05. They claim that the Xenos is "more elegant and efficient".

The best place to test this technology (which i'm sure has a definite future, but just needs more development) is in consoles due to the closed environment. But the fact that the Xenos is not only tasked with being a GPU, but is the CPU's direct link to RAM and I/O devices is just overkill.

The Xenos has been turned into an octopus of sorts. It serves as the CPUs link to GDDR3 Ram. It serves as a coordinator for I/O devices (usb ports, controllers, etc). It basically does everything. Worse yet, the CPU and GPU are fighting over bandwidth since there's only one memory pool and one road to it. It also uses GDDR3 GPU ram for the CPU and GPU. It’s high-latency memory which ends up starving the CPU (who’s L2 cache only runs at 1.6 Ghz anyway). You can see the problems starting to add up.

This is why ED-RAM was created in the first place. Not as some astounding technologically superior feature, but as a patch. A band-aid to help alleviate the system bandwidth from being affected by frame buffers, on top of other tasks. While its internal bandwidth is 256 GB/s, it’s connection to the CPU is nowhere near as fast.

They only put 10MB of ED-RAM, and even Microsoft has admitted in company slides that 10MB isn't big enough to hold 720p frames with anti-aliasing. Yeah, you can get 'free anti-aliasing', but only if you render at 620p and upscale to 720p (which is exactly what Project Gotham 3 did). Its frames were exactly 9.8Mb and fit in the ED-RAM without tiling (chopping up the frame and pasting it all back together).

This leads to problem #2.
Microsoft’s solution to its low amount of ED-RAM is tiling. Instead of absorbing production costs, they lowered them and passed the burden onto developers. Unfortunately, tiling means that you end up using system bandwidth all over again, and completely negates the reason ED-RAM was created in the first place. Worse yet, it creates artifacts. If you want a quick explanation of why, it’s called post-processing effects. In fact, some developers have openly stated in developers forums that they don’t even bother with the ED-Ram due to these problems.
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With all of this information now available, it’s easy to see why 1080p games may never occur on the 360. And Microsoft of course claims that there’s no reason for 1080p at the moment. But that’s ‘at the moment’; we’re talking about what’s going to happen in the next 3~5 years. Even if they are right, there’s something else to notice. Framerates. I have yet to see a single Xbox 360 title that has broken the 30 frames-per-second barrier. Not saying it’s not possible; I’m just stating the facts. Low system bandwidth of course is the reason why, and as we all know framerate matters a lot, even more-so than resolution. In fact, I’ve seen quite a few 360 games in motion that still have framerate issues (EA football titles are a few of the culprits). I don’t actually worry about this happening in PS3 titles since every playable title shown so far has had perfect framerates that ran without a hitch. And as anyone who’s played Killzone can tell you, framerate directly affects gameplay.

[RuffRyder]

You've managed to find another biased article i see. Why not let the ps3 prove itself before talking BS.
You keep trying to persuade people that the ps3 is so superior to the xbox 360, when there is no proof of that! just STFU.

[achira]

i like tennis ! and with 1080p this game will be the sharpest ! just imagine that you can see every detail !!!

[RuffRyder]

When i see this game being played in 1080p then il believe it.

Besides most of you sony droids just hype 1080p without actually knowing about the differences or even having an HDTV.

[Solid Snake]

This is a great victory for Sony and another downfall for MS, i wonder what evil number MS will try to pull on Sony now, lol it wont matter because no one wants the 360 now, PS3 is on it's way people!

[RuffRyder]

Victory for sony?? hhmm yea sure!

[FeralPhoenix]

Now according to your own post, qoute: "But that’s 'at the moment’; we’re talking about what’s going to happen in the next 3~5 years."....so basicly for the next 3~5 years 1080p won't matter, meaning most games for the PS3 and 360 will be about the same -depending on what developers do with them and then in 3 or 4 yrs or sooner I would not underestimate M$ ability to upgrade the 360 when needed, then in 5yrs, yeah the Sony might have no plans for the PS4 anytime soon, but knowing M$ the next Xbox will be about to launch or well on its way. Again, DJ you can try to spin the truth over and over again to pretend that the PS3 games are "superior" to 360 games, but you can't overcome one problem: We all have EYE's and so far theres no game on the PS3 where we can see the superiority. Fact is that some games look great, some don't, and some look OK.......some of them look fun as hell to play, some don't, and some have OK gameplay.....WOW, just like the 360!.....It's OK, TGS is right around the corner, Sony's been taking alot of hits, I expect them to come out swinging and have a great show, hopefully they will, then we will all get to see who has the MOST impressive games.....no excuse's, I like to say "The proofs in the pudding." I will be the first to praise anything impressive from Sony, I do expect M$ to have their share of impressive games also, they always do, but for those fanboys who think Sony will deliver something spectacular, that is far and beyond the 360, well then the pudding will taste very, very bitter. We shall see....I can't wait!

[Loudninja]

Army Of Two
Gran Turismo HD
Haze
Heavy Rain

Lair
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Partiots
Resistance: Fall Of Man
Ridge Racer 7
Skate
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Virtua Tennis 3
WarDevil:Enigma

So sorry there are more than 2, look them up lol.

[THE TRUTH]

link to Scrivener post is :
http://www.genmay.com/showt...

I think the fact that this game will be 1080p is a great achievment being that this game IS A FIRST GENERATION PS3 GAME!!

TGS will gives us the proof about this game and others and it's only 3 days away!! Looks to be a HUGE week for SONY so let's see what they do at TGS

[RuffRyder]

Do you have a TV capable of 1080p? just wondering!

[clayton]

All us 360 gamers need is a hdmi cable to output in 1080p we already do 1080i. Also, I personally can't tell the difference during movie playback at 1080i vs. 1080p. The 360 is capable of doing that resolution as far as horsepower goes.

[clayton]

1080i and 1080p have identical resolutions. Therefore they will look the same, it's just the way the picture is displayed that is different. Here is a link:

http://reviews.cnet.com/452...

[FeralPhoenix]

I'm just curious if you have a link that confirms all those games are 1080p? I know the last I heard was that RFOM was "targeting" 1080p...and alot of those games I know have been previously listed at 720p.....not thats its important to me because I have to agree with Clayton....I personally can't tell the difference between 1080i and 1080p, I've seen them side by side and I have 20/20 vision, still I believe there is some difference, I personally just can't see it....but I do hear when there's fast action scenes in movies it shows. Well anyway, LoudNinja or anybody else with info. I would appreciate a link of PS3 games in 720p, 1080i and 1080p. Thanks in advance.