Battlefield 3 Online: Perfected by DICE, ruined by you

The last thing I hear as, infuriatingly, my dogtags are taken and my killstreak is ended: "Look at that guy there. No, him. Nah, he's not on my side. Check it out, though, he's going to stab that soldier in the back. Yeah, that means you get his dogtags".

[Hufandpuf]

True story.

[Majin-vegeta]

I agree,last night no matter how much i tried i could not win a single match do to most of my team being dumbasses just using the mortar or sniping i lost 10 games in a row so i just quit.

[Yi-Long]

... you have too many people who are rushing to get their weapons 'upgraded' by just going for their own goals and kills.

It's a flaw in the design.

Personally, although I can see the appeal behind the system where you unlock cooler and better stuff the more you play the game, but I prefer it when everyone just starts out 'equal' in terms of material. That way, it remains a skill-based game, and you don't get blown away by those people who boosted to level 50 and have all the good stuff, like heat-seaking missiles and whatever.

Battlefield 1943 did it right. Perfect balance, just 5-flag Conquest mode (which is all I want), and there people DO work as teams.

[2pacalypsenow]

sniping helps more than you think i have saved many peoples lives by tagging enemies and defended planted bombs using a sniper

[Pl4sm4]

so true .. when i started at bf3 i couldn't get an attack heli kill because i did not have flares .. good thing the game rewards u for just using it . but still .. i prefer everyone having the same weapons/equipment and focus on the team objective

[RedSky]

It all comes down to game design. The reason why this is a problem is because of the way the rewards system is designed. Some gaming execs have gone it stuck in their head that since CoD is doing so well, EVERY multiplayer FPS needs an unlockable weapons/items/perks system. Since this gears the game around individual success, not team success, it messes up games like BF3.

Same thing with the CoD series itself and camping. The game's risk/reward is such that camping works really well for racking up points. You minimise your chance of being killed before you unlock your kill streaks, and once your kill streaks are out, that's what gets you so many points/kills. People whinge about it being the player base's fault for playing dirty, but it's the game structure that encourages it. People are just so used to modern day gaming FPS conventions they struggle to imagine an alternative.

[Washington-Capitals]

Its quite ironic people are now blaming the community for ruining BF3 online, yet for a game like Call of Duty, its always the games fault. Has anyone ever realized the main problems that people complain about in COD are a result from the players?

As an example
Ghost/Assassin should be used by people who rush and want to infiltrate the enemy spawn, but noob campers use it and sit in a corner.

Yes there are issues with the game like no dedicated servers, but people can look past that, its the way people play games that can ruin it.

[da_2pacalypse]

The consequences of not having a matchmaking system (and instead having a server browser), is that once a server goes dead, it stays dead for a while! I love the game, but once a lobby is lopsided it stays that way for a few games at least.

and @Washington-Capitals The problem with cod is that the game itself is not balanced. BF3 is balanced, but team work can make or break the game for somebody. if your team isn't working to win, you'll lose and you won't be happy.

[mugoldeneagle03]

They got to either streamline voice chat or create a way to band squads together who are actually trying to win instead of fuck around for an entire map.

I get why they don't have it set up like that, you could just spam the squad spawn but sometimes even a 4 man squad can't do anything, let alone you playing by yourself.

That'd be my christmas wish

[SilentNegotiator]

Whose fault?

Poor balance, selfish motivations/perks, lack of tight level matching.....basically, a lot of the same issues as you-know-who.

Take down that DICE shrine and see a shrink. DICE has absolutely not "perfected" online multiplayer. Don't give me that "you're playing it wrong nonsense" when people are playing it the way that rewards them, as designed by DICE.

[Pushagree]

Most online games start out perfect, then the noobs use exploits to ruin the game. Tactical insertion, rocket launching, camping, etc...

[ChrisW]

Luckily PC servers can restrict things like: no use of certain rockets, auto-boot for multiple TKing with in a certain time, and best of all restricting the # of snipers.

[lorianguy]

...and I forgot to press the tape recorder....

If anyone gets that they are legendary.

[iamnsuperman]

"Battlefield 3 is a brilliant playground of war, but one that relies on players working together to realise its true potential. Come on guys, shape up."

You can't tell someone how to play a game. The problem is that tactical multiplayer is basically dead because running gun hoe, rambo style is what the majority want to do. It sad to say but it doesn't work right now.

[Baka-akaB]

yeah you basically gotta give the idea up , find smaller scale games such as MAG , or stick to playing with a Clan .

[Jinxstar]

All I ever really find in any BF game is when I join a team there are at least 2 but usually 3 snipers and me... Medic usually but... Either way the game is still better then COD but just too heavy on sniping sometimes. I feel there should be a limited number of slots in any game for any class and choices rotate each match... Best way ever to balance a game but people would hate it.

[Motorola]

It's hard to find a full team that's GOOD. But the game is fun if everyone (including the enemy) are decent.

[DasBunker]

it would be easier to use teamwork and ps3 if the voice chat worked and people used their mic... really hope the PS4 comes with a mic

[roguewarrior]

Since the PS3 is compatible with ANY Blutooth 2.0 headset. You can get a good Headset for $10 and a great one for $20-30 online. As long as Online multi stays free for PS4, I'm fine with shelling out for a Headset.

[IAmCornHolio]

The xbox bf3 scene is just as bad. Matchmaking needs to be fixed to put mic users together on servers with other mic users.

I think if the xp bonus was bigger for defending points...

Also... noobs... you have a tank... when you drive it up to the line scrimmage, and then get out of the tank, the other side takes the tank, and uses it against us, and we loose the round. If you are in a tank and accross enemy lines, STAY IN THE FRIGGING TANK UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD.

[Drabent]

Yep, can you believe how many ppl on ps3 still don't have mics lol its sad.

[SnakeCQC]

i like trying to fly a plane and then getting blown up because everyone has a rocket launcher /s

[HappyWithOneBubble]

At least you know how to fly. Every time I get in a plane I crash.

[SnakeCQC]

my advice find empty casbian border servers jump in a plane and just practising take off then manoeuvring etc

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Never thought of that. Thanks for advice.

[FlashBack]

Change the control scheme to what suits you, I like Southpaw, try that one.

[PhantomT1412]

The real "on the fly" learning :p

[SnotyTheRocket]

What platform do you play on? Maybe we could try that empty Caspian boarder idea, or just play on the ground, where I'm damn good a conquest. (I really need to try other game modes)

[SnakeCQC]

on pc i traded in my ps3 copy because the planes were always taken and i never got a chance to use them lol i think my origin id is outwar6010 aswell

[SnotyTheRocket]

Well, what's your PSN? I play on PS3 because I like it and I can't use an Xbox controller worth a damn. If you ever buy it back on PS3 (tomorrow is boxing day, good time to) PM, I see your bubbles are gone.

[SageHonor]

If any of you guys are on PSN my ID is Bollin16

I'm always playing with friends and a clan so i don't have this problem that much.

[jizzyjones]

While I agree, I also still much prefer Bad 2's maps, kit's, weapons and shear ease of controlling flying vehicles, tac lights belong on cod no bf, mortars are rubbish and its all just too serious, the destruction is better.....or is it? I used to love taking down buildings just for fun, I dont think ive done that once on BF3, I also loved the NAM DLC. I played Bad2 form Beta right up until BF3, I wish I never sold it.

[Grimhammer00]

You guys act like team play is the only issue!
The games a mess for Christ sakes!
-clipping through walls with ones body.
-destruction is toned down too much!!!!
Try c4ing the radio tower! Maybe on PC...forget that the trailer clearly shows it being toppled!
-respawn with c4 previously placed. Still clack the clacker for kill
-amazing audio that cuts out when inside some interiors.
-single plyr mess....not talking about the expeience. Talking about white screen glitches, path forcing & horrible AI that never moves from their spot.
Don't act like it don't matter....they spents man hrs and money, motion capture & voice actors.....it matters!
-gun balance is not good.....mp7 pt blank should not empty clip only to have usas12 douche turn and shoot my face off! He had no boosted health either.

But above all else is the fairly simple issue of fixing the mics! Come on! This game is team based....go ask Zipper to fix it for you! I bet it annoys them too!
Lol

[KaBaW]

I think the Famas is overpowered, lol. I was playing yesterday for quite some hours..
Almost everyone that I played with, that was assault, was using the famas.
And, it's quite whack that two shots from it while suppressed will kill me.
Yet, shooting them first with multiple rounds from an AEK doesn't kill them.

[Drabent]

Yea bro its not just input lag, sometimes they die from 20% of the clip, sometime it takes 50%>< but the input lag is just unacceptable. I lose half CQBs because of it.....FIX IT DICE!

[Composer]

This article is only the tip of the iceberg. The fall of COD has contributed to the apparent fall of BF3, like this article says, but it's so much more than "ramboing" COD players who don't realize they aren't playing TDM anymore. DICE dev's often said how they "wished they could go back to BC2 and change it, because there is so much more to be added to that game. So, instead of that, we'll implement it in BF3."

Well, look what happened. First, they justified their removal of complete destruction by commenting on the games in BC2 where the entire area was leveled, and attackers on Rush had no cover. Now, I realize that we can't want a 10 story building to be completely and dynamically destructible, even with Frostbite 2 on a PC; but in my 330 multiplayer hours on BC2, this happened maybe 5 times. Dynamic destruction was the spearhead of BC1-2, and they've taken that away.

Second, there are too many things in BF3 that repel the use of teamwork. This list is long. From the flashing icons on the minimap in BC2 which notified people that you would like a ride, or ammo, or health, to the WHOLE weapon system in BF3. Battlefield never needed the addictive system of "getting to the next level for new sights and attachments." That system went away when you went away from COD. People no longer play for the fun of the game, or for the want of mastering a weapon and being able to wreck with it. Now it's always for the next cool sight, which will make this gun SO much easier to use. (Cuz face it, nobody enjoys a gun now until they get a foregrip).

Back in Bad Company, you could use ANY gun, I repeat, ANY gun and, given enough practice, destroy the opposition with it. Every gun felt incredibly different, from recoil to fire rate. I remember my first firing of the PP2000. It's rate of fire was intoxicating. You remember the annoying kid who destroyed you with a Gold Star 7 PP2000 right? BF3's guns, in my opinion, all feel the same, with miniscule differences in fire rate. A few are outright different, (G3A3 anyone?) but the rest....

Where'd the fun go? When the did the laughs I shared for hours with friends on BC2 go? What?!? No more C4 on UAV's?!?! Oh, but you may say, you can still suicide bomb people with C4-laden vehicles. Even then, they'll still die, but you won't get the kill. Apparently they suicided, instead of you going through the trouble to kamikaze them and still getting kill points. Yesterday I went 14-2 in a game, and had a "meh" feeling throughout. It wasn't fun anymore.

I'll still play this game. I just won't come close to touching the 330 hours I had on BC2 alone. The fall of Call of Duty brought BF3 down with it, with DICE accommodating the wants of the COD fans. Strategies that us BF players found to be amazing fun are considered cheap the the COD players. Bad Company 3 can't come soon enough, and until then, I urge you to slip in the BC2 disc again, just for comparison. Thanks for reading.

[consolez_FTW]

well said my friend! this is exactly what Im thinking. I've played BF3 for I think around 70hours and the game just isn't holding me BC2 was. I spent 400+ hours on BC2 and while BF3 is still a good game, its several steps back from the beast that is BC2. to me BC2 was a perfect balanced multiplayer shooter in every way. Most the time if I died in BC2 it was because of skill and not just plain cheap kills like in BF3.PLus map design of BC2 was phenomenal, though in BF3 chokepoints in almost everymap kill it for me.

Like you said, I wont' come close to putting in hundreds of hours in BF3 either. Alreay its starting to feel soo annoying. Mainly for me Rush mode being infected with every type of camper known to man :( and hardly any good team mates not considering almost everyone wants to be a sniper of mortar camper..If only BC2 still had a decent community to it on PS3. Can't find a full match anymore. Oh well.

/end rant..

[PixL]

Well said. My reasons are a bit different and most fun is taken away by bugs. But I sadly believe my almost 900 hours in BFBC2 won't happen again and BF3 can't even touch that.

Aside from bugs... Minimap in hardcore SqDM is the worst joke of all. Completely takes away fun and need for skill.

[eak3]

Maybe you should take advantage of that 30 dollar trade in that Gamestop is offering, while the rest of us enjoy the shit out of this game.

[Drabent]

I totally agree~

[WetN00dle69]

The game was great when it got released. But due to the consistent bitching, moaning and crying. What was once great is now broken. Compare BF3 when it first got released to the game now and you will see that the game is now pure and utter trash. Tanks take a crap load of Rockets to destroy it. And Helicopters can with stand more than 1 rocket to disable it. I mean seriously there is no Helicopter in the world that can take more than one rocket to disable it. Ground troops have very little chance against Air and Land vehicle assaults. What Dice needs to do is remove ground troops completely since they have no chance against tanks and helicopters! If not then they should take everything that is great from BC2(This game is perfect in every SINGLE way possible!) when it comes to damage and the likes and add it to BF3.

[Pl4sm4]

So true ... i rpg an enemy attack heli (also a transport heli) and it only messed it up not even disabling it

another time i shot a transport heli with a t90 and it only disabled it . it should bloody kill the damn thing .... i understand that dice always go for the balance of guns and vehicles , but still .. a t90 shot to any heli should instantly pulverize it

PS: WTF is up that i cant shoot the mines anymore ? ... i have to either grenade or rocket them or walk up to them and eat them ? ... nomnomnom mines !!!

[SpecialK]

Personally I dont have issues taking down helicopters, even after the patch. Before the patch though I never touched the helicopter since they were so easy to take down.

And since when have tanks been an issue? On some maps I dont bother wit them either. Tons of people are engineers so sometimes you see 4 people all on one tank from all angles, its gone in seconds.

Personally I find it too easy to run in front of them and throw a mine under them since they're always distracted with rockets.

So far the balances have been good, tanks are meant to be more powerful than foot troops and to be honest theres so much cover lying around its not hard for one person to best one unless the driver is any good.

The only problem I have with the game is the lack of teamwork. But that was always going to be the case, you put a bunch of random people together only half with mics and thats how it goes.

Just join an online clan if you want a tactical team

[rattletop]

agreed. i rpg'd a tank 4 times but couldn't disable it at all. same with helis. most of them have IR flares+ heat seekers and play as engineer. they easily avoid locking using flares and when they do get hit they fly away and land to repair it comfortably.

[andreasx]

i guess you don't know that you can unlock something for the tanks that is called "reactive aarmor" wich makes you invulnerable for a brief period! :P

[rattletop]

@andreasx i know about reactive armor. but the enemy didn't equip it. he had autoloader+zoom optics+ coax lmg.

[Kinggger]

tanks go down with 2 rockets to the back just so you know.
And while it's difficult to do, rpgs and smaws take out flying vehicles in one rocket most of the time.
I just hate playing with the assault class and not being able to do anything to vehicles especially with stupid teammates who dont do anything about and since falling in love with the L85 (the IW from socom, anyone?) I have this problem switching to other classes haha. DO YERR JERBS, ENGINEERS!

[BeardedPriest]

This game is just a little buggy and a little unbalanced is all... The Engineers have too many RPGs. Tell me its not dumb how some people pull out the SMAW and use it as a primary weapon... These idiots spawn and hit the D-Pad, WTF? All the Assault Medics Rifles, M16 & AK etc. They are all exactly the same aside from fire rate and recoil. The same range, accuracy and power on everything makes the game boring. Oh and these maps are not so memorable.

[Kinggger]

Way off. i think i can name each gun or just about if it was covered on screen and got to shoot it around for a little for the assault rifles. I admit it would be hard for the carbines

[BeardedPriest]

You can tell them apart? Really, GET OUTTA TOWN. No shit Sherlock. But if you look at a weapons damage chart you'll see that all the assault rifles do they same damage and have the same range. Whats with all the disagrees you RPG loving fags... The game would be more balanced if everyone carried 3 RPGs and Tanks and Heli's kicked a lot more ass but were destroyed by 2-3 Rockets instead of 4 to 5. I have 3.02 kill Death ratio and almost 100 hundred hours in. Add me on psn and check the leaderboards if you don't believe me. PSN ID: T-BAG_Commando.
I know a lot more about this game than you crying pussies do.

[andreasx]

so basically you're saying that it is illegal to use the rocket launcher on infantry? let the engineers do what the hell they want whith it

[7sEvEn]

a-ten-hut privates! 1st you noob pansies need to figure out how to spot! spot! spot! that will greatly help your team, quit being selfish because more likely the guy your chasing to get will turn around and pawn you. 2nd grow your BF3 friends list because that's what makes the experience that much better. 3rd (hardcore mode only) don't spawn on a teammate who has a 10+ kill-streak going because more and likely you will blow his cover.

[urwifeminder]

Needs rank restricted servers one team had all eagles as rank no one on our team was above 15 its just a slaughter not to metion how some guys still spawn camp spawn you stabbed or shot with in 2 seconds,i feel so sorry for new players its like heres a tooth pick now fight this dinosaur .

[Pledius]

level up system needs to go... everyone should be 'materialistically' balanced. Now everyone can use everything so now it's all player teamwork, and individual skills.

[SnipeySnake]

Or they could have a mode where its like that.

[SillyBastid]

Im a battlefield fanatic, always liked it over COD... but I absolutely love the addition of gun specific rewards. It gets me to try every gun out, and the ones I like I will unlock more and more add ons for this gun which will only make me better at it.

Who is to say you can't still play a team oriented attack by trying different guns and different classes?

Black ops was my least favorite COD because of the fact that you could pretty much purchase any attachment to the guns

[Pledius]

hmm true. I also liked unlocking different attachments and getting better guns too especially going for IRNV before.

but that's exactly what made it worst in longrun. getting excited for leveling our stuff is good and all but for overall player experience it's bad because unless you're "high" level you can't enjoy those guns until you get them. and this is when you see the problem which almost forces people to RUSH for it. and that causes problem. unless people are all high level and clan vs clan you'll almost certainty never see teamwork

[Gamerita]

maybe people are just trying to squeeze some fun out of the game ? each has his own style in gameplay,some like sniping,some like shot guns...etc if we were all the same the world would be a boring place.

[SnipeySnake]

Sorry for ruining it....even though I never bought it.

[SuperBeast811]

Hey EA/DICE wanted to get the COD crowd and thats excatly what they got for better or worse LOL have fun.....

[SwampCroc]

JayBizzle311... PSN... I'm looking for people to play with.. I usually play solo not many friends have BF3 or PS3.

[supersonicjerry]

Yeah I know I can't find anybody that plays the game and has a mic to use. All my friends and friends I know in person all play COD they're afraid to try something new so they stick to COD all day. I need more BF3 friends with Mics some people on my friends list play BF3 but don't use their mic.

[SwampCroc]

yeah I have a pair of headphones with a mic.. I just don't always like to talk because I feel it can be distracting at times... like chatter.. but I mean I'll talk about like game stuff, enemy locations.. etc..

[SillyBastid]

this guy obviously needs to make better online friends...

BF3 was more difficult early on without knowing any of my squad members. Once I found a few people online who had mics, and played as squad members the way it was meant to be played, it got much better. I added them, now we play together when we are online and win most of our matches. Winning isnt everything... its the only thing.

[Chippydip]

This was horribly written.

[Inzo]

This is where the Killzone community is brilliant even in an open lobby no is really just running around trying to see how many guys they kill before they get taken down every one is trying to be tactically better than the opposition and it is also where MAG has no equal, if you dont work together you have no chance of victory.

[phantomexe]

"what the" killzone is fun and rewarding but people not running around aimlessly. I don't think so. BF3 is the best team based mutiplayer i've ever played and i've play everthing i could get my hands on for the consuls. In fact i'm not that great at BF3 but as a noob i don't complain because i can't come away with a 20 to 1 death ratio. Geting better tho

[fistacuff56]

stopped read at "my killstreak ended" because that shit really matters in a Battlefield game, fucking facepalm

[phantomexe]

I'm preety sure a sniper is a huge help and playing the Recon i'm not about to run around at point blank range with a single shot sniper rifle. BF3 muti is almost perfect and if you perfer ramboing your mutiplayer go play MW3.

[Flare149]

To be frank (and it's something I believe reviewers have unconsciously ignored), I think the problem is the game itself. I love Battlefield, especially when my teammates are working together, but DICE needs to work on finding a way to better encourage cohesion. I believe I read that Brink had a system that led to better teamwork, so maybe that's something to look into? Developers, if they truly love their game, should want a fair review rather than a fluff piece, and so I think reviewers constantly praising the multiplayer as perfect isn't doing the studio any favors. They definitely need to educate the player more about different roles, and if they're going to insist on having the current weapon unlock system it needs to be more user friendly and less tedious to go through. The people on this site may be gamers, but a 13 year old kid who gets the game for Christmas and merely wants their M4 leveled completely isn't going to be reading up on all this online. Instead the game needs to allow users to enjoy the classes they may like while simultaneously showing them why it's important to help their squad.

I apologize that that got so wordy at the end, obviously it would take a more brain storming to determine a way to improve squad cohesion

[Monokhs]

i liked how in bc2 you unlock everything by level 20 so alot of people have the same equipment early on (if i remember correctly). i even got all gold stars for all the weapons some even multiple times and like two platinum stars. after i unlocked everything i thought it would get boring but damn i kept on coming back to it mainly because it was so freaken fun to blow shit up. sadly i had to trade it because bf3 came out and many people left the game.

[Oschino1907]

BFBC2 is on my list of games I am never trading in...

[rbluetank]

i wish they fix the lock on for the rpg. sometime it takes to long to lock on and alot of times it does not lock onto the jets/helicopters. i hope they fix the rockets as well. the rockets just fizzle out more times then not. why do we have only three rockets and the jets/helicopter have infinite flares with fast redeploy.

[tigertron]

I haven't played BF3, but I have played alot of FPS games including BFBC2 and I can tell you that the majority of players in a public match are mainly out to get a good K/D. Team work only really applies in clan matches because most of the time you'll be in a match with lone wolves.

Now I love BFBC2, but I have to admit that there are too many snipers on that game and if you're on a team of snipers you'll lose because they're not willing to leave their camping spots and get involved in the game.

[Beastradamus]

This article deserves a collective AMEN!!!

[TopDudeMan]

Well, that's the joys of updates, they can always rebalance the game and fix stuff that's ruining it.

[BABY-JEDI]

I'm really disappointed in myself, that I haven't had the time to play & ruin other peoples experiences of BF3 online LoL. Ive got it but way too busy on Dark Souls, but never the less I'm sure I will be that newbie letting the team down LoL
Merry X-mas. ; )

[Guwapo77]

I thought Rainbow Six 2: Vegas had the perfect setup. Sadly Mondern Warfare had to come along as rain on my parade.

[mastershredder]

This ranking up and getting better weapons to where you have a huge advatage over other players is what is killing these games. Warhawk for instance features rank up for those who really care about seeing their virtual rank climb, but everyone new to the game or old has access to the same weapons etc. The rest is all SKILL. Skill is the only advantage, just as it should be. Does that mean anything anymore?

[gamejackin]

BF3 is fine if u don't know how to play don't blame it on the game. It plays a he'll of slot better than COD in the sense that it offers more and is more of combat sim and not arcady.

[SwampCroc]

I also kind of figured in the beginning people are going to find the stuff they like to use... but you can use some weapons on any of the classes.

I also think if people just played the class the way they are supposed to be played.. like medics doing their job, when a person dies... scan the area, kill someone if you see them and then revive your buddy... throw out health things... ammo guys throw out ammo... repair guys do repairs and provide rpgs and/or mines...

most people get too stubborn and just choose what works for them... but like I find my perfect setup for each of the 4 classes.. Assault, Recon, Engineer, Support.... I set each one up with the gear and stuff I want... and I play the class the way it should be played.. depending on maps and on-the-fly tactics.

[SpecialK]

Honestly if your having issues with teamwork look for some clans online. Theres loads of them and they play a mix of all the popular shooters and other games. Its a great way to play with people who also want to use mics and be tactical.

It'll change the way you play the game

[SpecialK]

Heres one that took me mere seconds on google to find. Theres many more too and most of them are casual and with enough members that theres always people online.

http://forums.electronicart...

[SSultan]

They waited too long to do BF3. Great game, no doubt... However this is the COD era. It is the sad truth. Very few play BF3 the way it was ment to be played and I can bet money some of those that bash COD play BF3 like it is COD. Like I said though... Great game, wrong time. Merry Christmas everyone.

[rbluetank]

i hope someone makes a video on how bad the stinger missile are in this game.... why don't the assault class with the 3 stinger missile donot have ammo resupply? when you fire off your three missle; the jet/helicopter match you with infinte flares. the ratio to your missile and their flares is fvck up! there is no delay time between flare to missile being fired..

whats is the point of using the stinger if the lock on is raggy and the missile fizzes out. the stinger is useless when firing on Jets. all the jet has to do is flank left and the missile fizzles out. the jet do not even have to hit afterburner. there is alot of good things in this game and alot of bad things.

[Kemicalbeliefs]

Then lock on and let them think you're firing one, let them shoot flares part way through the lock tone, then re lock on and boom. Especially if they're up close, a flare means nothing if the missiles already on its way.
I do get frustrated sometimes when someone has some good skills in a helicopter but then it's up to you get better and beat them. That's how games work. Play against worthy opponents and you'll find that you get better too.
Run around killing everything easily at rank 1 or 10....where's the challenge?

[rbluetank]

let me get this straight! i am on foot aiming up and they are traveling at least 20 times faster then me in the air. it takes more then 5 seconds to lock on. they can be long gone before i reach lock on... when they shoot off there flares your lock on is lost before you even fired your missle. when you relock on, they are already to flare your missile again. they have infinte flares while you got 5 missiles. they can shoot off flares as fast as i lock on. it is not about better players then me. it about a broken gameplay. now lets add in trees,building, walls and enemies in my line of sight as i do what you are talking about. i tried what you are talking about and it does not work... here a added bonus, the fact that they can get out of kill range. you do not have "1 minute" to try to track a jet/ helicopter until they fire off their flares. i talking about the ps3 version. i do not know how the computer version is working...

helicopter dodges stingers

http://youtu.be/nFFriT3eAbA

[Gigglefist]

This is why it's essential to play with friends with voice chat. Play with randoms, you'll probably lose.

[Blaine]

Blue dots will never change...

[sovietsoldier]

remember they changed a lot of core things from bf2 and that i feel is where we took a left turn. add to the fact the game in current form is missing key functions like voip, this makes team work almost impossible on a regular basis.

[SteveSmith]

Like this article, when I suck at an online game, it's always the fault of my team.

[leogets]

Bfbc2. Was an amazing game.bf3 is like that but better. Cant see what ya all moanin about. Leave the game as it is dice. Dont give the public n e more voices.

[jjb1981]

I lost 8 games in a row as I watched my weenie-ass noob teammates camp and snipe. Finally 2 of my friends with mics were able to join and squad up. Then we were unstoppable with 6 ace squad ribbons. I would have played more but sometimes sleep is a good thing...