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Ninja Gaiden II dev: Military shooters need to be more realistic

Self-confessed "military nut" and Ninja Gaiden II dev, Tomonobu Itagaki, believes that military shooters err heavily on the side of entertainment and need to focus on realism to make a real breakthrough.

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Hufandpuf4530d ago

ARMA2, any original rainbow six, and original ghost recons.

NukaCola4530d ago

Konami was making 6 Days in Fallujah, but the media bashed it for being to realistic so we got stuck with another COD.

guitarded774530d ago (Edited 4530d ago )

Interesting article... he's not really talking about general gameplay/story, he's talking about physics and speed of sound making the game less of a real experience.

All that said, the entertainment industry has always done this... Star Wars would suck if they had obeyed the laws of physics. Imagine one of the epic space battles with no sound. But he makes a good point with the submarine propellers turning the wrong way, that was just an oversight. And I think we can handle the delayed sound of impact when shelling things long range.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr34530d ago

What's realistic? Physics. Which is why my gun has little affect on someone whose flame thrower is melting my bullets in Gears 3 :P

bobrea4530d ago

While I agree that Arma II is realistic, it's nowhere NEAR as fun as BF3. People should remember that we're still playing video GAMES. So leaning towards entertainment isn't necessarily a bad thing.

NYC_Gamer4530d ago

well,since i'm not into online gaming i'd much rather have the Arma II realism in my single player...

Somebody4530d ago (Edited 4530d ago )

If video games are supposed to be ALL about fun then no wonder people (non-gamers) keep thinking they're only for kids. Books and movies can either be fun and realistic when presenting their stories. A comedy about the civil war would throw realism out the window (add a couple of dinosaurs to be sure)while a historical piece would try as hard as possible to make sure the wagon wheels move correctly to the time period. So why can't video games do the same?

Video games add another dimension to story telling - interactivity. Realism and interactivity go hand in hand. Realism is just a part of the immersion. I do enjoy the realism in Arma 2 but I also enjoy the pseudo-realism in BF3.

If I want to escape my boring life then I have a lot games to choose from. If I want to dive into the boots of a soldier with realistic physics and sounds, I have Arma 2 and a lot of other sims out there.

A lot of gamers complained about realistic sims but none complained when realistic elements slowly appear in their favourite games. Bullet drops have been in the Arma series for years but no one cared. When bullet drop appear in BC2, everyone said it's an innovation.

fr00ty-wizenhymer4530d ago

Don't forget to add the original Operation Flashpoint, Red Orchestra and AA3.

SuperNerd4530d ago

lol yea man we dont need any more games where a guy can spin around like atornado and can shot a sniper rifle with pin point acuuracy .

Fylus4530d ago

Huf, totally agree with ARMA2. I'd still be playing that over any other game if I still had a PC... (It broke down and I haven't had it in me to get it fixed or buy a new one yet :\)

CarlosX3604529d ago (Edited 4529d ago )

Itagaki, I'm sorry, with all due respect. I love your games, but please play Battlefield 3 before making that statement.

P.S. Keep making high quality games, plz.

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WolfLeBlack4530d ago

Frankly I'm starting to get a little fed up with the industries current fascination with realism. Sure, I do enjoy some realistic games, such as Forza or Flashpoint, but the main reason I play games is to get away from real life for a little while and see what the imaginations of the developers can do.

But that's just me.

rezzah4530d ago

Its the fantasy life while still containing realism through gameplay mechanics.

When we run with guns we don't hold in front of our faces, they remain at our chest unless we are pointing while we run.

Simple placements and motions of the head to body and weapons is just off in FPS. Even Mirrors Edge had wrong limb placement, and the devs admitted this. Their reason for doing so was because if they represented the human limbs in its normal state, we 9the gamer) would not see our arm movements as much as we do in ME.

gamingdroid4530d ago

I play Mario Kart, and it's definitely not "realistic", but I enjoy the game play mechanic immensely.

So there is a place for everything....

ChipChipperson4530d ago

I don't understand why some people are getting upset thinking "Oh these are video games, they're not supposed to be realistic!"
Look at how many games in the market that aren't realistic though. Are a few games that are going to adhere more to realism gonna hurt the market, let alone the experience of other gamers? Plus, more realistic FPS games have a fan base and unfortunately they can't get the same experience with games like COD. I would like to see more developers make at least one game to show that fan base some love. Don't get me wrong, I've played games like Operation Flashpoint and ARMA that require patience and can get boring, but they offer challenge to people willing to try it and that's entertaining to some.
Do gamers honestly want the same stuff being shoveled into this already saturated market to continue?

Hufandpuf4530d ago

What the hell are you on about?

zeroreloaded4530d ago

just a rant, ignore him if you like, although it's totally off topic, i agree with him nonetheless.

Captain Qwark 94530d ago

he needs to focus more on making a story that someone can "realistically" understand becuase each NG is barely comprehensible....

on that note, military shooters only need to be realistic when it is their intention to do so. COD is an example where its not necessary, its a pick up and play arcade like shooter, nothing wrong with that. BF is a series meant to walk the line between realism and fun, and a series like Americas army or operation flash point is meant to be realistic....simple as that

i don't have a problem with devs speaking out but instead of focusing on what you think other devs are having problems with you should focus on your own and correcting them, then worry about other devs.....

he can start with.....
adding a good story
making a game in under 5 years
making a game truly hard not just adding rockets ( got it right with NG black, bombed it with NG2 )

he does make some great game-play though, ill give him that

RegorL4530d ago (Edited 4530d ago )

Ninja Gaiden II really!

If delayed sound effects are the only thing you do not find realistic in Battlefield 3... then DICE has done a REALLY good job.
But they missed BF3s jumping in/out of vehicles... in air... with reusable parachute...

But if they make a game that
- looks as realistic as BF3
- sounds as realistic as BF3 - no wait didn't they just promised better?
- behaves as realistic as BF3
- plays as fun as BF3 while keeping full realism (no respawns?)
- on the same hardware

More power to them!

EDIT: took a look at the MW3 sub section

"Citing a piece of Modern Warfare 3 promotional material, he explained that a Russian submarine was shown with two propellers on its back spinning in the same direction, which according to the laws of physics, wouldn’t be able to propel it. Is it just a minor nitpick or legitimate claim? To Itagaki, it’s extremely important."

OK, they turn in the same direction. Why would that be impossible?

If you look at the video you see that they use identical blades, thus both will create trust forward. It might not be the way you would do it in practice, when having two propellers you probably want the other one to turn in the other direction with a mirrored propeller to counter rotational effect - but that might not be a real problem since you can build subs with only one propeller...

I am not convinced that they really know what they are talking about!

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Call of Duty Players Disappointed by $80 B.E.A.S.T. Glove Bundle Deal

Recently, players of Modern Warfare 3 and Warzone were met with a new bundle featuring the B.E.A.S.T. Glove, inspired by King Kong's armament in the Godzilla x Kong movie. However, the $80 price tag attached to this themed accessory left many Call of Duty fans feeling underwhelmed.

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Kaii17d ago

Morons that allow themselves to be milked continuously by this company is the definition of irony.
Spend more $$ and you'll end up In easier lobbies so you win both ways when ya spend that cash

melons16d ago

Controversy in the COD community feels like it happens within an alternate timeline. Activision will take the piss with something, there will be a momentary fuss about it, and then they will forget about it and carry on anyway. Repeat this cycle literally every year for the rest of time.

Gridknac16d ago

They call that a crack head! Thats what this is really about, its an addiction. People who dont smoke cigarettes look and laugh at the addicts that spend $8-$10 a pack, but they cant help themselves, they are addicted. That same analogy applies perfectly to the whole MT industry. Only an addict that was not thinking clearly would spend this kind of money on something so frivolous. A round of multiplayer provides the same high a person gets from scratching a lotto ticket, or putting money on a sports bet. MT in general need to really be regulated because you have a generation of kids becoming adults who grew up only knowing the MT era of gaming. Its normal to them and they will in turn teach their kids the same by just being a gaming parent and getting their kids involved with them in gaming. Thats why no matter how ridiculous the headlines keep getting out of the MT industry, it never seems to fade or go away.

X-2315d ago

I'm so tired of hearing about what they're doing with this game, its never going to change and it's never going to value the consumer over money, furthermore the people who engage so heavily in the microtransactions I guess allegedly are having a blast and can't wait to do it some more this year when the new version of the game drops.

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Cheech And Chong Are Coming To Call Of Duty Because Everything Must Be Consumed

The famous comedy duo is the latest example of pop culture becoming one big grey blob

Christopher31d ago

Certain to have some sort of reference to their online store for CBD/THC chews, which is advertising heavily online the last month or two.

Sciurus_vulgaris31d ago

The randomness of the multiplayer characters is one of reason I quit playing COD after briefly returning in 2022. We got Space Marines, rappers, tree monsters etc. all in a series called “ Modern Warfare”.

OtterX30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I think if there was ever a time for a competitor to rise up and take away some of Call of Duty's thunder, the time would be now. A military shooter that takes itself seriously, not sold out to Fortnitism. Easier said than done, I know... but the time is ripe.

I can't stand this stuff either.

Palitera30d ago

There are tons of MP shooters that make no profit, if you're looking for one of those

fsfsxii30d ago

You guys have been saying this shit since 2009. Fortunately, nobody’s bringing down cod anytime soon, if ever.

crazyCoconuts30d ago

I agree. I really didn't like how the silliness takes away the gritty origins. That and all the crazy effects... dunno. I'm still playing it but I'd love for someone to steal their cheese and cater to grittier players

OtterX30d ago

@fsfsxii It's not so much wanting COD itself to die as it is wanting this silliness to die. Like CrazyCoconuts said, it takes from the grittiness. Many OG COD players want a straightup Military shooter experience, not silly costume time at Carnival.

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Profchaos30d ago

is this what the kids want these days a pair of iconic stoners who were big in the 70s and have kind of held on I enjoyed their movies decades ago but I never recall the movie where cheech infiltrates a enemy base while chong snipes for support guess I must of missed that one

Man I'm getting to old for this

Knightofelemia31d ago (Edited 31d ago )

Cheech just looks so wrong in the picture.

Profchaos30d ago

Why just why. cod up in smoke

anast30d ago

They charge too much for a game that is kitsch.

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MW3 missed its easiest opportunity to give us some of the best Call of Duty maps ever made

From Bootleg to Black Box, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 made a heartbreaking mistake by not remastering the bizarrely forgotten maps from its namesake.

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