650°

Skyward Sword Proves There is a Problem in the Gaming Industry

Opinion article on the recent controversy around Skyward Sword complaints and review scores.

Read Full Story >>
outpostavp.com
FACTUAL evidence4543d ago

Why is this guy crying about call of duty using the same formula and blahr blar blarr??? At least Skyward is in the GOTY runner up sheesh....sdfu damn...lol.

Skip_Bayless4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

If anything, he prooves the point why Zelda should be getting more 8.x scores instead of 9.x scores. It's the same formula on limited hardware and using unconventional controls.

He compares other games like Modern Warfare which is uncalled for because a shooter is gonna be a shooter. You can't really deviate from that on limited hardware. COD gets 8.x scores. Zelda gets 9.x scores.

NEW-AGE4542d ago

A 3Dimensional Pixelated Object

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 4542d ago
Redempteur4543d ago

a beautifull girl to save that will eventually give you part of her powers to defeat evil in the end ?

or

the best magical damage dealer in smash bros brawl ?

Ares84HU4543d ago

Better question is:

Since when is a random persons blog gaming news???

Marquis_de_Sade4543d ago

When that persons blog is listed not under gaming news, but opinion.

Theyellowflash304542d ago

Marquis made you look stupid Ares84HU. Its and opinion not news learn to read the little bubble by the story. And he wouldn't be random if you read his blog.

Ares84HU4542d ago

Made me look stupid??? :D hahahahahahaha that's a bit harsh.

First off, this guy is a nobody from a random site. Shit like this should never be posted on N4G.com....or also known as NEWS FOR GAMERS dot com. AN opinion piece should be from someone known in the industry, a well known dev. or journalist who has an opinion about something in the industry.

Things like this "opinion" piece is draging n4g.com down.

farhad2k84542d ago

I know it's not possible, but if Zelda were to be on a higher end console or even PC, it would have had SO much more internally. The graphics would be better, gameplay would be epic, but we have to play it on a Wii.

I had a Wii once, and sold it after 5 hours. I don't want to bash on the console, so I'll leave it at that.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 4542d ago
jc485734543d ago

the problem is, a 7.5 in gamestop usually means 8.5 in other sites.

badz1494543d ago

it's gamespot. Gamestop would give a 10 for any game so people will buy it from them!

this is a complain over a 7.5/10? and people were bashing Sony fanboys for crying over 4/10 for Uncharted 3!

p/s: Cliff B not satisfied with a 8/10 is on a whole new level though!

jc485734543d ago

my bad. I meant to say Gamespot. Thanks for correcting.

Wenis4543d ago

Read the piece, its not about the numerical score but rather the baseless, hypocritical complaints

RedDead4543d ago

Cliff B was satisfied with it. It was blown out of proportion and twisted to make it sound like he was complaining.

RIPSKATEDESTROY4543d ago

gamespot has only given 8 games a 10 throughout their review history, gamespot is one of the few sites that still is relevant, all the others are changing but gamespot is still the most honest ones. and thats my review, oh sorry i meant opinion.

Voxelman4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

Uncharted fanboys got bashed for complaining about Eurogamer's "h8/10" review not the stupid 4/10 that no one really cared about because it was late review.

@ RIPSKATEDESTROY Gamespot lost all credability in the Kane & Lynch review scandal.

+ Show (2) more repliesLast reply 4543d ago
lastdual4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

The real problem is that if you're going to knock a game for not changing its formula enough, you should BE CONSISTENT and apply the same standard to every game your publication reviews.

When one game gets a lower score for "lack of innovation" while other games get a free pass for the same issue, it stinks of an obvious double-standard.

Drake1174543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

We could say the same for publications that gave zelda a 10/10 when they would severely knock other titles scores down for using the same outdated formula for 13 years. unless thats what you are implying with your comment but it seems the other way around.

Shackdaddy8364543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

First off, the people complaining are just Nintendo haters. For some reason it has all the sudden become "cool" on the internet to hate Nintendo. The game is VERY good and a couple of trolls shouldn't stop you from buying it. The gamespot reviewer isn't a Nintendo hater. He's just a douche. He has rated a lot of good games badly in the past.

Second, metacritic user reviews are probably the LAST place you should go to see what games are good. It's a place where a game gets either a 10 or a 0 and people rate based on what the current score is and how they feel like it's their responsibility to "lower/raise the average based on fairness".

one2thr4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

Wait what?..... Last time i checked no other gaming platform has any "beef" with nintendo (currently), in fact I used playing Zelda way back, but now Im just a PS3/PC guy now..... And if it means anything I have and play The Minnish cap on my phone...... That damn cloud board is confusing

Bigpappy4543d ago

This is not news. The writer is complaining about a review score from one site. He has a proble with 7.5 but would not have a problem with 8, while admiting he has only a few hours of play.

This is pointless fanboy crying. Look at any great game, and you could find a review much lower than 7.5.

Celeras4543d ago

Doesn't mean his point isn't spot on. The same site critiquing Skyward Sword for lack of innovation on the "old Zelda formula" gave Modern Warfare 3 an 8.5. Think about how absurd that is.

TheFirstClassic4543d ago

Yeah five cod games in the past four years compared to five (3D) zelda games in in the past thirteen years. Zelda has had more changes than cod also.

humbleopinion4543d ago

And they are absolutely right in that regards:
In the past 5 years, we've seen the COD formula enhanced and evolved much more than the Zelda formula.
Think about it: in 2006 we had COD3 and now in 2011 we have Modern Warfare 3 - That's the same timeframe between Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword.
Now try heading back to COD3 and see how vast of an improvement MW3 is: How much the visual stlye evolved, how much the gameplay was tweaked, how many more modes and enhancements were added.

Sure, some if not most of this new stuff can be attributed to the first Modern Warfare, but we did also see many improvements since then like the spec-ops mode (not to mention that in recent years COD formula tends to be much more criticized in the media than the 25 years old formulatic Zelda - just check out the many reviews). You can't blame COD series for having incremental improvements between each yearly title when the end result is a much bigger improvement overall in the course of 5 years compared to Zelda.

Also, between 2006 and 2011 pumped out 7(!) games based on the Zelda franchise. Sure, some of them were spinoffs and remakes but nonetheless Zelda games are being pushed in our faces not less than COD games - we have the simple option not to buy both franchises if we don't like this.

theonlylolking4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

MW3 is better than all of the zelda games combined. 7.5 is not a bad rating so this guy is obviously a fanboy if he complains for a game that has that high of a rating.

lumley6664543d ago Show
DNAbro4543d ago

@humbleopinion

uhh no, the CoD formula has not been changed since CoD4. There was a huge leap from CoD3 to 4, but don't try to say there was a huge innovation from any of the game beyond that.

Drake1174543d ago

The amount of Zelda games that have come out since ocarina of time compared to the amount of call of duty games that have come out is completely irrelevant in regards to peoples complaints with zelda being un-innovative and outdated. People aren't saying omg they keep coming out with zelda games and they are exactly the same every year. People are complaining that, other than art style and graphics, zelda really hasn't really brought anything new to the table in the 13 years since ocarina. The story is almost exactly the same as every zelda game before it, you still have to stop every 2 mins and read long drawn out cutscenes that feel like they are from the year 2000 or earlier, the gameplay mechanics (other than using the wii to slash things), doing things for people, solving the same types of puzzles, collecting the exact same items in the exact same dungeons literally makes me feel like im playing a gamecube or n64 title.

chadboban4543d ago

@drake117
Well you are fully entitled to your opinion, but to say every Zelda involves "solving the same types of puzzles, collecting the exact same items in the exact same dungeons" is pretty ignorant. Although I will say that Zelda's 3D camera control definitely feels stuck in the past, make the damn camera completely controllable Nintendo!

Drake1174542d ago

@chadboban
Oh please. Right now in Skyward sword im running around the faron woods(yep the same exact name as the woods from the last zelda game). I just got the slingshot(the first item that i got in every zelda b4 it) Im about to go into the sky temple even though it has nothing to do with the sky and is essentially the grass temple. I will kill spiders dangling from webs, i will prob have to hit some crystal or eyeball with an item i get which will open some door and ill have a certain amount of time to go through the door b4 it closes. Oh and guess what the place i go to after that is the eldin volcano(yet again same name and place as last zelda) oh and there ill be going through the fire temple. Sorry but ignorant my a**.

humbleopinion4542d ago

@DNAbro:
There was nothing revolutionary since COD4, but there were a lot of incremental gameplay improvements: killstream system, spec ops mode, etc. You can't make a revolution EVERY year.

And with each incremental innovation it still heads forward slowly but surely, and this puts it overall way ahead of Zelda when you compare the differences between 2006 COD/Zelda and 2011 COD/Zelda. Where's my co-op Zelda experience for example?

+ Show (6) more repliesLast reply 4542d ago
BinaryMind4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

Yeah, the article really had me going until he started whining about that one 7.5 review. Utterly pointless. Wake me up when the world makes a game that every single person in the universe loves to death because then reviews will be useless.

Knuxxx4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

@ humble opinion

I think your opinion on tLoZ is outdated or you need to look into those games alone. if you've only played OoT and TP then yeah you'd be right. HOWEVER since there's more than just those two, lets re-adjust your statement, shall we?

"Now try heading back to COD3 and see how vast of an improvement MW3 is: How much the visual stlye evolved, how much the gameplay was tweaked, how many more modes and enhancements were added. Sure, some if not most of this new stuff can be attributed to the first Modern Warfare, but we did also see many improvements since then like the spec-ops mode (not to mention that in recent years COD formula tends to be much more criticized in the media than the 25 years old formulatic Zelda - just check out the many reviews). You can't blame COD series for having incremental improvements between each yearly title when the end result is a much bigger improvement overall in the course of 5 years compared to Zelda. " - True, your statement holds water. And since you say yourself a majority of improvements are from the first MW, I'm not going to beat a dead horse. You were good up until you said that last bit. Not true.

LoZ is an action adventure series, specifcally, a dungeon-crawler, so expect the usual "do x to open Y door" but where nintendo it REALLY good is about changing how its players play and challenging them with a new theme of play with each release. Lets go down the list, shall we?

-Ocarina of Time (1998) - the theme of that is using the ocarina to manipulate the surroundings and go back and forth between two time periods
-Majora's Mask (2000) - (probably the least innovative of the series) expands on the manipulation of time via the ocarina, but on a larger scale. Also uses masks as well
-Wind Waker (2003) introduces the use of a boat and the manipulation of the wind to navigate around the overworld, and instead of the horse everyone was so accustom to they introduced a boat.
-Twilight Princess (2006) - You switch back and forth between the realm of twilight and normal world, to get around you would switch between playing in a wolf form of your normal human form
-Skyward Sword (2011) introduced fully integrated motion controls and even though I have not played it, if the many many zelda spinoffs are something to go by, I am willing to bet it's just as good and challenging as the previous titles

So really, WHICH series made more improvements?

chadboban4542d ago

@drake117
There is no Eldin Volcano in Twilight Princess, it's Eldin Province, although you are right about Faron Woods. Betcha the next location has the same name and place as twilight princess as well. Amirite? (it doesn't)

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 4542d ago
svoulis4543d ago (Edited 4543d ago )

Doesn't make him a douche, it makes his opinion not agreed upon with others.

Guess what, in the end he is the one who gets paid to play the game (not you whiny fanboys). He is the one who can say whatever he wants on that site cause he works for.

People need to grow up and just do what we did back before all these websites mattered.

BUY THE GAME IF YOU F#$KIN LIKE IT.

STOP TAKING OPINIONS SO LITERAL!! They are no more than opinions. His opinion is justified by his complaints and that's all that matters to him. He thinks it's too much like Twilight Princess, and games before it. He also thinks the controls take him out of the element when they screw up. Both easily justifiable from an opinion standpoint. Do yourselves a favor; Be a Zelda fan, and play Zelda games. Just because you would give it a 10 doesn't mean everyone else will.

-_-

Please do me a favor fanboys if you Disagree with what I am saying. Tell me why and stop being butthurt.

Death_Grin484543d ago

The problem is not the score, but how he was playing the game. He didn't know how to play the game right, and it's that one thing that made his whole review lose its credibility.

This guy is not a douche, but he is very ignorant.

memots4543d ago

Same could have been said about almost every Lair review. I played the game how it was meant to be played and understood the control and it worked.

4543d ago
Knuxxx4543d ago

It's not that motion controls are complicated, it's that they're not advanced enough for them to be truly immersive. The most basic example I can give you is the DBZ tenkaich series on wii. They tried, but the fighting with wiimote motions was too laggy or unresponsive. True there is some amount of learning curve but overall, the hardware just can't emulate what and how we want it to be

Show all comments (127)
80°

Zelda Replay: Majora's Mask

VGChartz's Evan Norris: "Is Ocarina of Time as legendary as I remembered it? For the most part, yes. In spite of a handful of missteps — a few obtuse puzzles, some tedious backtracking, and a clunky stealth sequence — I don't believe the last 23 years have been unkind to it. Ocarina remains a brilliant example of the medium, a landmark game that shaped the future of its own franchise and 3D gaming in general. After more than two decades it retains its inventive dungeon design, challenging puzzles, dynamic combat, wistful storyline, unforgettable music, and empowering open-air freedom. I feel confident calling it one of the greatest games of the fifth generation, even if I'm no longer prepared to list it among the five best games ever made."

Read Full Story >>
vgchartz.com
Crows901d 5h ago

Pure unadulterated fun. They don't make them like this anymore...especially not the triple A industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic13h ago

Back when video rental was a thing, I rented out Majoria's Mask, I never finished it though. I did buy the 3DS version before the eshop shutdown, so maybe one day I'll finally play through the whole thing, it's amazing how well these games hold up though. I briefly played Ocarina of Time for a while and it was really fun.

80°

Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

280°

Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10115d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref15d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde15d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197215d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville15d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218314d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos14d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 14d ago
isarai15d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref15d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan15d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00714d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197215d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

15d ago Replies(3)
Einhander197215d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

15d ago
15d ago
Zeref15d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde15d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197215d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197215d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref15d ago (Edited 15d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier15d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto15d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218314d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto14d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 14d ago
Hofstaderman15d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts15d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts14d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic14d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

Show all comments (43)