Assassin's Creed level designer 'sick' of people thinking they 'wanna do an Uncharted'.

TheGamingLiberty.com:

Assassin's Creed: Revelations Level Designer Falko Poiker -

"Well I worked on the Villa attack (in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood). I actually worked on everything in the Villa but my concentration was the attack. Well I kinda’ got sick of people saying “We wanna’ do it like Uncharted”. That’s the difference here -- our game is not Uncharted, so let’s not obsess about another game. They were clearly thinking Uncharted was a better game and I think that’s a really bad attitude to take. You know I have a theory that the team behind Uncharted are thinking “Let’s make Uncharted more like Assassin’s Creed!” -- at least that’s what I’m hoping is happening."

[LOGICWINS]

Don't worry about those people who "wanna do it like Uncharted". They're just followers. Just keep doing what your doing: Making a non-linear game that actually has a DEEP story.

[NukaCola]

Your comment sounds more lke an attack against Uncharted than support for Assassin's Creed.

Two different games, both amazing stories.

[_DarkCharizard_]

Assassin's creed brotherhood had a rather forgettable story so I hope they do well in that aspect this time..

The last 2 AC games to me are better than UC1. But UC2 is just a class apart and UC3 looks to be following in its footsteps ;)

[lorianguy]

I think you made the first ever un-disagreeable comment based on logic. You'll still get disagrees though because this is N4G.

[MostJadedGamer]

Uncharted deserves to be atacked NukaCola. That kinda of restricitive, linear gameplay should have been done with years agao. It long ago stopped being fun.

[DarkTower805]

I love both franchises (shocker how its possible huh) but each offer different things. The complaint I have with Assains Creed though is every game feels the same. Same settings, same missions and dragged out storyline. This is why I'm just mildy excited for ACR.

Uncharted is linear yes, but it should be. That is the way it keeps the storyline pacing at a good beat. The story in AC is good, but the progression is very slow.

For the devs, I hope each stays true to itself. They are both great unique franchises that offer experiences not found elsewhere.

[LOGICWINS]

"Your comment sounds more lke an attack against Uncharted"

How was I attacking Uncharted? Everything I said was true.

Is it linear? YUP

Is its story lacking in depth compared to other games? YUP

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Once again LOGICFAILS.

Now, first off I'm going to say a I agree with logic to some degree. Uncharted is a linear game and the story isn't that deep (especially UC1), BUT (I'm about use one of LOGIC'S INFAMOUS tactics against him) isn't whether or not if a story is deep a matter of an opinion?

A deep story for you might not be a deep story for some one else. For instance I think that UC2's story is great and had depth, while I think that AC's stories aren't all that great. On the flip side, you think that UC's stories aren't that "DEEP" compared to other games and that AC "actually has a 'DEEP' story.

So in the end everything you said is NOT TRUE.

Is uncharted linear? YUP.

Is uncharted's story lacking in depth? Well, that's a matter of an OPINION, YUP.

[LOGICWINS]

"Once again LOGICFAILS."

*yawns* getting old. At least try to be original.

"Is uncharted's story lacking in depth?"

Thats like saying its a matter of opinion whether or not Bad Boys 2 has a deeper story than the Godfather.

At some point we have to label some opinions as stupid. Hitler had opinions as well...that doesn't mean that they weren't stupid.

@Outside of the Box- As far as your trolling problem, it seems our issues aren't too different. I was going to try to email the mods about it...but there really isn't a point. If they don't like what you have to say, they'll debubble you...even if you make perfect sense and offend no one.

EDIT: An opinion is an opinion your right...but wouldn't you say that that a person should have evidence to support their opinion?

The historical relevance of AC CLEARLY overshadows anything in the Uncharted franchise. AC mixes history, science, religion, faith etc. UC has some history to it, but its more of a popcorn action movie. Thats just my perspective.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

"Thats like saying its a matter of opinion whether or not Bad Boys 2 has a deeper story than the Godfather."

So? It's still an opinion isn't? If someone were to say Bad Boys 2 had a deeper story that is their opinion. I someone says they think that UC2 had a deeper story than all of the AC games that's their opinion. If people think that Gorge Bush is a better president than Obama that's their opinion. An opinion is an opinion.

[Iroquois_Pliskin]

@logicfails

So, if uncharted was as bad as you pointed it out, it wouldn't have earned the most awards in gaming history. Assassins creed and uncharted are both great franchises, stop hating.

@Kaveti6616 below me:

Easy, play the game.

[solidjun5]

"The historical relevance of AC CLEARLY overshadows anything in the Uncharted franchise. AC mixes history, science, religion, faith etc. UC has some history to it, but its more of a popcorn action movie. Thats just my perspective. "

Okay...fair enough. That's your opinion and I'll give that to you. However, earlier you said:

"How was I attacking Uncharted? Everything I said was true." This indicates that you're saying this as a fact. No, it's your opinion. I can easily say Super Mario Bro. is the greatest movie ever and that would equally be valid (I'm not saying that of course), cause it's an opinion. So don't come in trying force feed an opinion into a FACT.

Now you usually come in and start screaming on the internet saying "Why do YOU care. That's their OPINION." (I'm paraphrasing here) Here you're somewhat doing the opposite of what you're notoriously known for (Besides the crying). Bit hypocritical if you ask me.

How is Outside_the_box trolling? he has a point. Just because you can bring evidence to assert that AC is clearly superior in storytelling is no different than him (or anyone else) to do the same for UC. Your LOGIC (ironic) is clearly flawed.
Still the same commentor under your old name (Deadreckoning666)

[nveenio]

Uncharted 2 won more awards for story than you can count on your little, stubby fingers. We can explain that in one of two ways:

1) Uncharted 2 factually has a fantastic story.
2) That Uncharted 2's story is great is simply a matter of opinion.

It doesn't matter which option you choose. Your argument loses either way. That is because we've solved the problem with logic...and logic always wins. I figured you'd know that, but whatever

Finally, Assassin's Creed IS a linear game, it's just set in an open world. I liken it to inFamous. InFamous is a linear game--even with all the choices, you still wander down a set path. Side missions are of no consequence. It's linear.

An example of a non-linear game would be something like Fallout 3. Certain side quests held the potential to permanently change the landscape of the game...and they were just side quests.

The lesson here is that open world != non-linear.

[fluffydelusions]

You say it like Uncharted has no story. Do you think it won all those GOTY awards on graphics alone?

[kaveti6616]

I'll never understand why Uncharted 2 got so many awards.

[LOGICWINS]

@kaveti6616- You can't say anything remotely negative about Uncharted on this site without getting buried with disagrees lol. In fact thats how I lost two bubbles.

http://n4g.com/news/869071/...

I didn't even say UC3 MP sucks...all I said was that it wasn't for me and I'm grateful that I played the beta because I realized that I wasn't buying the game Day 1. Pure B.S

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@logic

Funny, I find it that I can't say the truth without being called trolling.

http://n4g.com/news/868446/...

If you click show for Dante's comment (I don't even know why he called trolling) you'll see that my comment was bubbled down for trolling while I was only stating the truth. Go figure.

[Biggest]

You'd understand why Uncharted 2 got so many awards if you would read what the awards are. They say exactly what they are. You many disagree, and since you're you I know you do, but you can not say you don't understand.

[kaveti6616]

I played the game.

That was enough for me to conclude that while it was a great single player game, it was over-recognized.

[vickers500]

@fluffy

It didn't win those awards for its story, it won it for the graphics (which includes cinematics) AND the gameplay. Anybody who thinks that Uncharted story is "deep" or "one of the best this gen" (I've seriously seen people say this), hasn't played very many games. It's not bad by any means, it's just nothing to be taken seriously.

The game did not deserve all the 10's it got. It definitely deserved all the 9's, but it sure as hell didn't deserve as many perfect scores as it received.

[Kur0]

Too bad AC has some shit gameplay. I could play that game with my eyes closed.

[dgonza40]

yeah, it's too easy.. just countering.
but i play it for the story :p

[rezzah]

^
The story is what matters overall.

[consolez_FTW]

wait wait..

you're comparing two totally different types of 3rd person games just to troll UC? lol trolls

UC is a TPS with some platform/puzzle stuff and great story!

AC is open 3rd person with parkour, puzzle, tiny rpg elements and assassinations.complicated but good story too.

LOGIC it's about time u changed ur name to LOGICFAILS already.

[jetlian]

you read the article you would know why its these 2 games Change your name to FTL

[Thatguy-310]

I'll take uncharted over assassins any day !! Assasins is just boring to ME and I easily get lost on what's happening...didn't even finish part 2. As for uncharted, well everyone knows how action centric is so its hard to not keep up with the story. On top of that the characters have more life to them and are more likable. But that's just my opinion

[Psychotica]

I am just the opposite. I never even finished Uncharted 2 because it's so linear.

[supremacy]

AC to me is like splinter cell meets prince of persia meets theif, meets tenchu, i like the series. However it does get quite boring after a while. And you are right the uncharted games do have a more life like approach to them.

Heck uncharted is my favorite franchise this gen, love the locales, the environment and the ambiance all that brings.

I suppose metal gear solid was a balance game that splits action and stealth with a memorable cast of characters and thats what I feel this series is missing.

And although it can be annoying to compare one game to another, I think is ok as long said games are different in their own ways. Many games get compared to another its just how big the industry has become.

[Silly gameAr]

Kind of pathetic how people are saying Uncharted is linear just for the sake of trolling the series. Most games made are linear. Why try to make linear games a bad thing when it comes to Uncharted?

[Biggest]

How are linear games hard to finish? Shouldn't it be easier?

[Psychotica]

@Biggest - Who said they were hard to finish?

[MostJadedGamer]

Most people don't care about Uncharted's linear, restrictive set pieces. Linear gameplay stopped being fun many years ago. Its something they should be done away with like 2D gameplay.

[NiKK_419]

That's the stupidest thing I've heard in a while. If the developer can do it, 2D games can be GREAT still. Same goes with linear games, like Uncharted. When it comes to story, linear is usually better anyway.

Edit: Wow, I just read your other comments above and below... I'm glad you have no say in what a game should be.

[Biggest]

Most people don't care. It's just the people handing out the awards that think it's the best thing since sliced bread. Does that make you sad two years later? Aww!

Edit: To MostJadedGamer below...

I'M AN ASSASSIN!!! LOOK AT ME 'SASSINATE PEOPLE!!! LOOK!!! I ASSASSINATE YOUZ!!!

Who needs stealth anyway?

[jetlian]

Guardian heroes hit xbla and its one of the best 2d games ive ever played and 3d for that matter. I like linear games to be honest.

I don't like wasting time just doing time extending missions. That said both games are fun. AC is my up close and personal and UC is my balls to the wall.

I think AC has the better story and world though. UC has the better characters

Edit Snipes : AC is at 29 million sold and UC is at 8.5 million! who's looking at who

[HeavenlySnipes]

although its laughable that ND would look up to you (lmao) don't be mad that everyone would rather play UC than AC. Keep making your game with broken fighting mechanics (counterkill FTW) and nonexistant stealth elements in main story missions (Why not call it Murderers Creed? Its not like I'm ever forced to kill people in stealth...)

[jack_burt0n]

Yeah be better listening to people who say stop milking it, put some real stealth in the game and get rid of the stupid accents, if you want to take yourself seriously subtitle the whole efffing game.

[Tanir]

lol its true the game has no stealth for being an assassin game.

that and well one wasnt that good, 2 was great, brother hood felt exactly the same as part 2, so i got bored with it and quit it half way through,

revalations looks good though. just wish he was actually an assassin

[JellyJelly]

I agree with you fully.

A more challenging approach to stealth and replacing the ridicolous "Ezio like-e de meat-a-bolla" accents with italian and subtitles would make it more immersive. At least an option to have the native language would be nice.

[Nate-Dog]

The option to have native language is available in AC (although I think you have to have finished the game at least once to use it). But trust me, you don't want to do it for ACII / ACB, it's actually shocking how bad the voice acting for Ezio is in Italian, it's the last type of voice you'd expect especially compared to the English VA.

[spunnups]

Agreed, the stealth, especially in AC2, was a JOKE. The story was boring also, IMO. AC2 was one of the few blockbuster games that I couldn't bring myself to finish.

[MostJadedGamer]

Stealth is boring, and I am very glad AC is becoming less, and less, and less focused on stealth with every game.

[jut420]

Seriously? Stealth is one of the best elements in games IMO. Stealth games provide so much replay value because you can always replay in different ways. I honestly think it makes the most diverse types of games because usually you can take out the enemies if you're not feeling too stealthy. There's gunplay, melee combat and the usually difficult task of not being caught. These types of games usually get my heart racing.

[Gambit07]

I've never heard of this. Never associated AC with Uncharted. Some people...

[MysticStrummer]

This is more about an AC dev being upset that UC gets more attention and accolades than AC.

[JsonHenry]

Real stealth would be nice.

[Pro_TactX]

Stealth is not the point of Assassin's Creed. Public execution is the point.

Attacking in broad daylight in a crowded area tells your enemies that you can get them anywhere. The idea is to make your enemies afraid.

[JsonHenry]

Yeah, you're right. I guess I just want a really good "Thief" game and thought maybe these guys could pull it off.

[hot111]

Why would anyone turn open world game(Assasins Creed) into linear script fest(Uncharted)?
There is a place for both games,to be clear

It would be like turning GTA into rail shooter.

[Tanir]

linear script fest?

if you know anything you would know that uncharted is about making you feel like your part of a movie, your actions are intergrated into these crazy dynamic scenes instead of just making you watch a cutscene.

AC doesnt put you in those situations, you just run in the middle of a crowd of people, run everywhere where everyone can see you and kill someone in plain site.

doesnt sound very assassin like, sounds more like Hitmans Creed. But AC does what it does well, it may need to be more immersive but its not a bad game.

though your comparison just proved you were a troll so i dont know why im feeding you

[hot111]

Scripting has nothing to do with cutscenes.And you perfectly described Uncharted,scripted like crazy but the scripting is good and the game just flows.

AC on the other hand is nothing like that,it gives you choice,you can attack like a headless chicken or you can plan your attacks carefully. Or you can ignore everything and walk around the world and torment people.

[kaveti6616]

"if you know anything you would know that uncharted is about making you feel like your part of a movie, your actions are intergrated into these crazy dynamic scenes instead of just making you watch a cutscene."

So, script fest.

Uncharted is a fine game for people who don't really like being in control.

[Silly gameAr]

Just because you have more "choice" doesn't always make for a funner gaming experience.

If calling Uncharted linear is the best you can come up with to try to bash the game, then Naughty Dog did their jobs well. Now, go call out 98% of the other games made for being linear.

@aquamala

You people and your pre-orders. This is a sad gen of gamers when you celebrate sales and pre-orders more then the game itself.

[Nate-Dog]

Actually Assassins Creed is fairly linear, especially the first 2 games, and ACB was only a little less linear due to the side-missions you can do (and I use the term "missions" lightly there since buying and selling items and landmarks and stores, and doing things like taking down Borgia towers and sending assassins away to gain money isn't my idea of a side-quest or mission), and if you avoid those things the play time of the game itself and the main story is very small and you'll realise how linear it is.

Not that I'm particularly attacking it for that, but I find it astounding so many people treat AC as if it is an RPG or something while Uncharted is linear. UC is probably a fair amount more linear (I haven't played the games) but AC is linear too.

[aquamala]

there are more preorders for AC Revelations than Uncharted 3, I think they are doing something right.

[Thatguy-310]

Yea and that's being multiplatform...but at the end of the day Uncharted's quality is more than the assasin games

[aquamala]

^^^. Not true, AC revelations on 360 alone has more preorders than uncharted 3

[princeofthabay]

I don't think so, uncharted is number 8 on the top 100 on amazon while ac:r in 32.

[Eiffel]

Because naturally Amazon is the only place in the world where you can pre-order anything and everything.

[princeofthabay]

Oh I'm sorry did I say it was the only place,can you point me to where i said it? He pulled a bold statement that ac has more pre orders out of nowhere and i give a factual source that says otherwise. So if you don't have a better source than amazon, then amazon is the only way of determining who has more pre orders.

[Eiffel]

You used one source, which only proves based on Amazons numbers, that isn't a strong claim. Which is why I sarcastically stated. There are bigger sources with records of current pre-orders, from online retailers. I won't use VGchartz specifically as it's creditability is questionable.

[princeofthabay]

Then you have no better source. So as of right now Amazon is the best source of pre order numbers.

[Eiffel]

As I said before, VGchartz is out there, but I know people here will cry foul. So it's creditability is questionable. Amazon is one source, being so doesn't make it the best, it really proves nothing solid if you're using pre-orders based on one seller. All it really proves is that it's one of the highest pre-orders from that site alone.

[aquamala]

amazon's top 100 is never the total number of sales, it's what's "hot" in the last hour or 24 hours.

[aquamala]

Here

http://www.vgchartz.com/pre...

Preorders
AC:R on 360. 400k
Uncharted 3 300k
AC:R on ps3. 200k

[4tehlolz]

Lmao vgchartz?

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Considering the utter lack of places to look things like this up, I'd say VG is the best place to get your numbers, if you're looking for an overall.
Using one retailer like amazon on the other hand is freakin stupid idea. If you had Gamestop, or GAME's numbers, that would be ideal IMO.

[SSKILLZ]

People need to chill there all good games with there unique characteristics and the two are awesome and offer different story's no need to get butt hurt or dis the other game.

[rello91]

Im not gonna lie an uncharted style assasins creed would be kinda cool

[KentBlake]

Well, Uncharted and AC are my favorite franchises this generation. I don't see why people want them to be similar. The only similarities are: third person, and climbing things. The rest is completely different.

And I love all games on both series, and have pre-ordered both UC3 and AC:R. Can't wait to play'em!

[Yukicore]

Uncharted? How the fuck? It is nowhere near it and i love it, because these games still have good variety that doesn't try to copy each other, and they shouldn't one is a game with historic story, and in the other you search for historic objects.

[InTheLab]

Instead of doing like Uncharted, they need to do it like Arkham City and completely copy the combat. The combat is terrible in AC...and how about some corner cover? A year between games to innovate? Probably not....

[Tyre]

You all seem to know how to make games better than the developers themselves, what a display of ignorance. U can't even come up with something original if u tried urself. All u people do is criticise...what bunch of over-critical spoiled people in here. Take a good hard look in the mirror or try to make a new game urself, that will teach u to have some appreciation for the great work developers deliver each year. Nothing is self-evident in this world, but i guess u all think games sprout out of the ground.

[Inzo]

First Iv heard of this.

[tdinc]

AC series is old and washed...nothing new. same storyline milking a franchise for $$$ is typical these days.....
gamers need fresh new ideas.....

[SAE]

i never even thinked about comparing it to uncharted , these people are just fanboys , they just need to make the gameplay harder , that's it...

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I think people seem to misinterpret the term story depth quite a bit. If the story makes you ask questions, and think about character roles, it has depth.

Uncharted 1 didn't have that, it was straightforward, Uncharted 2 had it. I was always questioning Flynn's character for example.
U3? Who knows.

Ass Creed 1 had it. There were always questions, that's how it was designed.
Ass Creed 2 and brotherhood both had it as well.
AS for Revelations, well it does have it due to the nature of continuing stories, but most should be answered this time around.

Personally I'm looking forward to both. Uncharted has an amazing story writer with witty dialogue, and Ass Creed has a huge story to immerse yourself in.