John Carmack prefers the trades on the Xbox 360 to those on PS3. Implies they are equal in power.

Revealed through twitter.

[M-Easy]

OMG this again? OLD!

[BattleAxe]

Not only is it old, but over the last 2 weeks, John Carmack has lost all credibility. Frankly, it doesn't matter what he thinks.

[VvKILLAGOOSEvV]

Agreed...most agreed.

[StanLee]

How, how has he lost credibility? Because some ignorant PC fanboys couldn't handle the truth? Because the reality of the gaming industry as a business is evident to everyone except said PC fanboys?

[Motorola]

He lost all credibility because he doesn't wanna lead on PC? Why does what he think matters to PC players? That doesn't mean he loses credibility.. I still think this guy is still a genius. I don't think RAGE looks bad, but why the need for 60FPS? Could look WAY better without that.

[wicko]

Cry more. Rage was awesome, id Tech 5 works great, and Carmack knows his shit.

It really is unbelievable how much people are crying about a stupid bug. Welcome to game development, things don't always go smoothly.

@motorola

Yep. Guy gives us the shooter genre, makes awesome engine technology that has powered many games, continues to innovate with engine technology and people fling their shit at him when he says something they don't like (and something they have far less knowledge about than he does, no less).

This megatexture technology really is fantastic. Of course it has it's issues with pop-in, but stuff like this can be improved. In 5-10 years this feature might even become standard. It does an amazing job of removing tiling textures and the levels in Rage really do the feature justice.

[Motorola]

@wicko No he dissed the PS3 in a manner that doesn't mean ANYTHING to us gamers. And that makes people take jabs at him and his game AND bring up irrelevant news about him not wanting to lead on PCs..

[Sunhammer]

John Carmack released the most technically laughable game in the last couple years and couldn't even make a decent PC version. He has zero credibility left.

[guitarded77]

@BattleAxe
That's just a ridiculous statement... you may not like something Carmack said or did, but to say he's "lost all credibility" is just stupid. Hell, I disagree with some of the things he's said, but Carmack is still brilliant. I also disagree with some of the things Jaffe and Bleszinski have said, but they are still brilliant too.

[Big_Dom]

Carmack has lost all credibility? According to who? You? Fuck off! So what exactly are your qualifications in computer programming and engineering? Worked on the PS3 and 360 dev tools, have we? No. Didn't think so. Honest to Christ, some people on the internet are so full of bollocks it's untrue.

[kaveti6616]

Sunhammer, there are so many things I would say to you if the mods allowed it.

[CRAGE187]

John Carmack making a REVOLUTIONARY engine
is like saying Peter Molyneux makes REVOLUTIONARY games.

[MysticStrummer]

Wow check out the Defenders of Carmack. He lost credibility because he claimed to be making the best looking game on consoles and then ended up making a game that's not the best looking on any platform. So glad I bought Dark Souls.

[malol]

Carmack was Shining a shit
over hyping it on all and parsing PC power and how awesome his work is
when the game came out it got around 80 on metacritic
and no one is talking about it now
like 1 week after release
he mad because he only got shunned because of the problems the game is facing

he is really MAD
well
after all he did talk alot instead of spending that time working on it

[RBLAZE1988]

Haha yea...Not only is RAGE a very simplistic and boring gallery shooter, It is also inexcusably buggy on PC. Carmack and the gang sold out when they joined bethesda (A.K.A. Team Xbox) and started designing casual gameplay mechanics.

[dantesparda]

@ RBlaze
Whats a gallery shooter?

[wicko]

All of you haters have no idea what you're talking about. Sounds like UMAD

One day you will grow up and develop common sense.

[FanboyPunisher]

So you have a bigger brain and can crunch numbers better then him?

No fucking way, you're just a dumb monkey compaired to that genius. The industry will always listen to that man, but a little no buddy...who would listen to you?

N4G people, thats all. Outside of this website your word means nothing. But even here, its a almost 50/50 approval rating.

Dont judge because you have no idea the shit that guy does single handedly, way bigger brain then you, just a simple monkey is what you end up looking like.

Go back to the forest, monkey.

Then come back when you're bloodline evolves to having a higher IQ then 75.

[Ducky]

@malol
When did 80's become bad on metacritic?
The PS3 version of Rage has the same metacritic as GT5 and Killzone3.

... honestly, I'd say Carmack has more credibility than Metacritic. :D
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@Mystic
Carmack had said that Rage was 'arguably' the best looking console game... which isn't too far off from the truth.

Rage's megatexture technology allows for very artistic locations. Sure, if you run up to a fence or a barrel and focus on it, you'll see a blurry texture or two, but as a whole, the art comes together and paints an intriguing world.
Either ways, the point is still arguable. I believe that LPB and TF2 are the best looking games. They might not push the amount of polygons, but their art direction propels them up.

I sincerely hope that this megatexture tech makes its way into more games in the future, because from what I've played of Rage so far, the only real thing motivating me to go further is to see what else the artists came up with.
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Also, what's up with people attacking Carmack?
If you disagree with him, then why not refute his actual points?
Otherwise, he is still a reputable developer. Saying he has lost any credibility is laughable, and I doubt there's anybody in the gaming industry who'd agree with that.

[Brosy]

PS3 fanboys are an embarresment to the industry. Jeez you would think Carmack raped the mothers of half the people in this story. Grow up.

[shinrock]

how is the old? it was posted in less then 24hours time.

[malol]

@FatOldMan
the way he was talking about it made it look like a 100 meta score kinda game

[Ayepecks]

Oh dear goodness, come the hell on. John Carmack, who created some of the earliest 3D engines and has routinely proved himself from generation to generation, has "lost all credibility" because id focused on the consoles and their partners didn't get drivers delivered on time? Cry me a freaking river.

If you ask anyone in the gaming industry if Carmack knows his stuff, they'll all tell you he does. If you look at his engines yourself (hell, go download the source code of some of his slightly older engines), you'll see he knows his stuff. So where is all this bullcrap about Carmack losing all credibility coming from?

[Ser]

Sadly, I have to agree.

[Jacobite]

LOL used to look up to Carmack, but now just cant be assed with him, go with the money fair enough make a good game yes I looked at it on any platform but just give it a rest now.

[frostyhat123]

U mad bro?

[ApplEaglElephant]

that 360 is easy to dev for and thats why he prefer it, but PS3 has more power.

And no. he didnt imply that. he actually said that.

[ArmrdChaos]

People pissing and moaning about how this game is inferior to other shooters yet those other shooters would have never existed if it wasn't for John Carmack.

[RockmanII7]

@malol so? An 80/100 on metacritic means the average review gave the game a 8/10, which is a good review score. Why do people have this mentality that if it isn't 9/10 on every website the game is bad? Also saying he spent too much time talking and not enough working is stupid because he probably talked in his free time.

[itsallgud]

"John Carmack has lost all credibility." R U for real???? John Carmack has only lost credibility with those that got their tails pinched when he was brave enough to come out and tell what the entire industry already know but is afraid to say. Go Carmack!!!

[VvKILLAGOOSEvV]

@StanLee
Because he is the same guy that told other devolopers (including DICE) to stop talking their tech up and just release it, when all he did is say RAGE is the best looking and most technically proficient game to come out on consoles...and look how that turned out. The 1990's are <<<<<<<th ata way.

@below or maybe your holding on to something that isnt there...Quake much? And might I be a fanboy of, considering I own a PC, 360 and PS3...I never said RAGE wasn't any good, he just hyped it up to be perfect.

[starchild]

Are you ignorant? Rage is, easily, one of the best looking games on consoles...and runs at 60fps to boot. Fanboys like you are the ones that hold no credibility. Morally bankrupt, ignorant and biased would be a description fitting most fanboys on this site.

John Carmack has no credibility? Get real, you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

[RememberThe357]

@starchild: Have you played the game on consoles? Not only does the game have near crippling pop-in, part of the time some textures wont even load properly. The game is a mess graphically. It doesn't matter what the engine can do if half the time you can see it.

Maybe you should stop questioning other peoples ignorance.

[mendicant]

Remember,

I'm playing it on 360, I'm on my 3rd playthrough actually, and while there is some minor pop-in the game is gorgeous to look at.

I haven't had any "crippling" issues at all. It's installed on my drive so that may make a difference but to say it's a "mess graphically" is simple not true. It's easily one of the best looking games on either console. The character animations, voice acting and gameplay are all top notch.

You may have played it and not liked it and that's your opinion, but you don't have to lie about it.

[gamingdroid]

Did you try the game on the Xbox 360 after installing it?

It has significantly less pop-ins and textures load a lot faster.

Rage is one of the best looking multi-platform game that runs at 60fps that is capable of running at 720p. That is one crazy feat!

[hiredhelp]

You know what i was gonna give my opinion but whats the point.
The console owners think the pc guys know nothing and buch of cry baby's
Only for thoes old timers who knew ID has every right to state our opinion.
He maybe good but hes made some very bad choices with this game and stated some rediculas statments.

So please carry on having ago at pc players who bit disapointed.
But ok if you get a half cheap port game thats full of bug's who starts bitching then.

[Jazz4108]

I'm sorry uncharted looks and plays like a cartoon. When you can do realy enviroments that are destructable and beautiful then I will give uncharted a nod. Until then crysis 2 on 360.

[Ser]

@starchild

Stop defending Rage so hard, it really doesn't look THAT great. Killzone 3 had better textures for crying out loud.

Go near something within 1 foot of your character and get ready to see some popcorn pop. Rage only looks good at a distance.

[kikizoo]

wow, jazz, jetlian, and others delusional xboys fests :) (i've just see shadow disagrees for facts, and agree for lies "xbox has more memory" LOL)

starchild, don't say "console", but xbox 360...it's probably one of the most beautifull game on xbox, not on ps3 (since the best can't be multiplatform)

[50Terabytespersec]

Very old but in all honesty , Carmack works in the uper-echelon of gaming Where there are no budgets for PC rigs, or budgets to go beyond variety haha,same old FPS FPS PC gaming.
Sadly..No one will appreciate his genious as much as PC gamers.But from my first amazing moments playing Rage (struck by the texture quality) to the Boring repetitiveness of the FPS and World it laid out..
I realize PC gamers can boast More FPS more Textures , but bottom line if you look at the himalaya stage of Uncharted 2 nothing has yet to touch this level of modeling detail and sheer beauty , same can be said with the great battles on Gia and such on GOW3.(Hollywood level Designs).
You can pay to play on your pC rig, but when its time to pay for design and sheer level quality and vast variety in a game.. Consoles have the numbers and sales to back up the the investment and dev time and tech..
PC's games just have Nerds with 1000 dollar rigs and far and few of them can help with to sales in which PC's game levels being built with massive budgets can occur it is likely opposite... I stop playing Rage 2 hours in as it felt so so PC so FPS again so so, same darn stages.. Shame shame on PC games shovel ware games.. your time has come i see right through you ...PC shovel ware ,Beware

[swinesucker]

Well, uhh after my PS3 bit the dust I had to by a new one. That would make my PS3 a 600 dollar investment. Not far behind by beastly 1100 dollar PC.

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

You know, while I vigorously disagree with your general opinion on PC games being shovel ware, It's true, for me anyway, that Rage was underwhelming.

I have buckets of respect for Carmack but for what I expected from this game, the end product what underwhelming. A reputation is not enough to save it, of course this is only my opinion.

It's not the best looking game on consoles, It runs at the 60fps he reassured which is a big positive for it. However it does not come together well.

One person does not make a game though, so to pin the underwhelming nature of this game squarely on Carmack is foolish....

[killerhog]

Big statement for a guy who made a shitty version of rage on his own turf [pc]. Of course he'll prefer the 360 it's easier to develope for considering he also struggled on pc lol. Put up or shut up carmack. Rage is an okay game on all platforms.

[showtimefolks]

and after how rage launched i don't know much i give a damn about what he thinks right now. Yeh go ahead press disagree. Fact is after all the promises and what was delivered it was like 2 different products.

maybe Rage could have run at 30fps and overall better performance. And maybe having a game on 3 disk would mean the story would be longer than 10-12hrs that every other game in the market gives us.

They need to hire some people who know how to do a single player story right. Looks can only take you so far.

Rage after 5plus years od development is not a success because other games have done what rage tried to do on a same scale maybe with a little less on graphics side

Rage will be under 30 by early 2012 because most will forget about it. And also there are better games on the market than rage and some are still coming out.

save your money and wait for a price drop. Also i am not a pc gamer i don't even have a pc that can run any games, this coming from a ps3/xbox360 owner

batman devs: The single player will be 30 plus hrs Guess what 10-12hrs

Rage devs: single player to be 18-20hrs plus and within 1hrs its done

press disagree all you want but prove me wrong, everything i said has merit

[xCaptainAmazing]

the PS3 is an absolute headache for multi-platform engines. Its exclusive titles that have engines specific to every piece of damn tech in that machine look truly magnificent, but it is not the greatest machine for third parties.

There's no opinion in that. The generation is almost over and the story hasn't changed in over 5 years. Just like BF3 360 looks better than the PS3 version. Don't believe me, play both and come back and then respond.

Everything about the PS3 doesn't play nice with games that need to run on multiple platforms. It's an awesome console, but multi-platform titles are its biggest weakness, and a lot of you are just going to have to accept that.

Yes, the machine has weaknesses, and everything Carmack says is true. He's just reiterating things people have been saying for years. Get off of PlayStation's ballsack, man up, and admit the thing has bloody problems.

The 360s biggest weakness is the damn disc size, because a few games are needing to be scaled back as a result, which developers also whine about constantly.

It really disgusts me that people think everyone who has said a shred of something negative about the PS3 is on MS's payroll. What a pile of turd shit. Grow up.

[xXtremeHDGamerXx]

Who give a fuck John Carmack just make doom 4 better than rage.

[NarooN]

Fucking this. The man fucking INVENTS FPS and revolutionizes it, makes one slip-up and suddenly he's the cause of everything wrong in the world?

Everyone's like a bunch of little entitled bitches right about now. To them: fuck off. I'll be waiting on Doom 4 and Quake V.

*goes to play Quake 3*

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

Its true you cant pin the mediocrity of rage on Carmack alone, however he cannot run on reputation forever. Yes he did invent the FPS genre, but it's a different game now with different players.

He owes it to himself to show he can still create something new and fresh, which Rage was not.

[RBLAZE1988]

He didn't make a slip up, him and his whole dev team sold out. That's not a slip up, that is a conscious decision. RAGE could have been something special but there id tech 5 is nothing but megatextures. Everything else is id tech 4 and the way they design the game it makes the world seem boring. Not to mention that none of the lighting is dynamic at all and 99% of the environment is static including the npc's lighting and shadows. They are all pre-baked in just like cod games. Actually I think Cod games might have better lighting techniques compared to RAGE and COD runs on an early version of id tech from 2001 which is Pathetic that RAGE can't do something it's predecessor engines can lol. The blinking lights when you are in the ARK chamber don't even have reflections when Doom 3 back in 2004 had that in spades...Actually the game was an advertisement for dynamic lighting and shadows and it was a superb advertisement at that. Then RAGE comes out and it's one of the most lifelessly designed game I have ever played. It's embarrassing, corner cutting at its worst and I get that they had to for the consoles but why couldn't they have all the dynamic lighting and shadows on PC? The launched the game without V sync or SLI or grpahics options with an automatic setting chooser that led to massive problems on PC's...It's inexcusable and all you die-hard Carmack defenders and fanboys need to learn your history. ID used to be respectable but now I think they have sold out.

[ReflexGamer]

One little slip up? The guy developed an entire game and continued to hype it like it is the best thing ever, that's more than a slip up. The graphics are above average and that's it, and the voice acting sucks compared to uncharted.

[NarooN]

Yeah RAGE probably isn't the best game ever, even I admit that. But everyone is acting like id and Carmack have lost all credibility or something, as if no other dev has hyped a game up to infinity and it wasn't anything special *not gonna name anything*.

RAGE seems like a testing grounds for the tech rather than a serious project. DOOM 3 was hyped up and it turned out to be a corridor shooter and it had its own share of technical problems at launch. Years later to this day, look what modders have done with that engine (id tech 4). Tons of great graphics and gameplay mods, some even made the gameplay like classic Doom/Quake style.

When devs and id themselves spend more time with it, some great games will be produced. I dunno about DooM 4, but if they fuck THAT up, I won't really regard them that highly anymore.

RAGE's main issue is that id decided to make a game that appeals to today's mainstream market, so the game itself is nothing new. Brown, bloom, desert, etc. It's been done. They even made it with consoles in mind. They just went where the money was. Now that they see that that's not enough, perhaps they will fix this shit with Doom 4.

What I find perplexing is how RAGE is bashed for not being anything new, yet those same people will go right out and buy MW3 without even thinking about it. I know the main faults with RAGE are the technical issues, but still, case in point.

[AmaZinG]

But Sony is full of shi* so i believe more in guys who actualy create multi games... And RaGe has some of the best graphics out there.

Crytek said the same. so pretty much

360 > Ps3.

[stvn_k26]

yeah buddy whatever makes you sleep at night!!

[stvn_k26]

and just to make you feel even better, gears of war 3 looks better thatn uncharted 3. (sarcasm)

[rjdofu]

Careful, if you make him too happy, he'll explode.

[saladthieves]

Both consoles are powerful (yes, I'm including the PS3 as well).

People love to think that since their inside designs are different, then it must mean that they are not on comparable on a similar level of processing power. It all comes down to the developers, how well they can know and take advantage of each console.

We all know the PS3 gave headaches to developers because of its lack of ease in development, which in turn led to crappy ports; leading to people concluding that the PS3 just didn't have that much power compared to the 360. This mindset is what's wrong. So saying that Sony's statement of the PS3 being more powerful is full of sh*t basing this on multiplatform games alone is...well that's full of sh*t!

As for Crytek, it's one thing to say that both games will be the best looking games on the consoles, then it's entirely another thing to deliver on half of what you say. Crysis 2 is one of the best looking, but certainly not the best. It even didn't look the same on both platforms.

[pedo_across-the-road]

You do know that activision, bethesda and crytek are the most PRO X box companies ever!

[dangert12]

dunno why people would disagree there on the ms pay roll and befriended

[kikizoo]

Only in your opposite world of blind men, "amazing" trolliar.

not a single multiplatfomr game, or xbox exclusives can compete with uc2, gow3, kz3, etc (don't even think about uc3)

"It wont matter what he says because most on here will claim they know more, even though none have ever made a game."

but we are playing games, and with good tv and eyes, it's easy to see the reality : rage, and others multiplatform games are really good vs xbox exclusives, but not on the same standard than ps3 exclusives, nobody can't deny that (only fanboyz)

"The article was about power"

yeah, cell = 45 pentium 4 teraflops, enough said (same amount, but better memory, and equal gpu, inferior, but not so much)..xbox can't compete with optimised ps3 games.

[qwertyz]

cell is NOT equal to 45 pentium 4 cpus in fact the cell only beats a single core pentium 4 at 1 thing and that is vector based calculations(because of the spes)

you clearly don't know what you're talking about

"cell= 45 pentium teraflops" doesn't make ANY sense it looks like you know nothing about technology you are nothing but a deluisonal coon
most multiplats from several years ago look better than anything on consoles including uncharted 3 lol

by the way modern warfare 2 on pc looks better than your "amazing looking" killzone 3 and it can run maxed out 60fps on a core 2 duo paired with a $40 gpu lol consoles fail and you are an ignorant coon

PC FTW!!!!

[GribbleGrunger]

and yet the exclusive games that can use the PS3 to it's fullest suggest otherwise. but does it really matter? both consoles have great games

[tickticktick]

It wont matter what he says because most on here will claim they know more, even though none have ever made a game.

[WetN00dle69]

AGREED!

[denero1]

sites just love those hits -_-

[C_Menz]

It's twitter..

[denero1]

eck your right -_- i didn't check the link -_- wow a twitter post approved as a article hmmm ok -_-

[C_Menz]

I agree, I have a feeling a few approvers will be getting some temp bans.

[evrfighter]

you missed the train where twitter is pretty much a major source of world news.

espn uses it to keep tabs on athletes and usually end up making a big fuss when someone expresses an opinion they don't like.

though it's my belief that twitter does more harm than good.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Come on guys lets not argue over 5+ year old consoles now.

[majiebeast]

Compare the gfx off
crackdown 2 against infamous 2.
Halo reach vs Killzone 3
God of war 3 against ninja gaiden 2
Ratchet and clank vs nuts and bolts
Uncharted 3 vs gears 3

When you see the list you know Carmacks talking shit. Hell the guy couldnt even get a decent video menu for rage on pc. Megatextures=Textures imported from half life 1. He talks a whole lot and then i look at rage on pc and i know all he does is talk shit.

Would love to shove my copy of rage down carmacks throat so he can taste his own shit.

Maybe ill be able to play rage in december when the modders do what Id shouldve done like fix the game.

[stvn_k26]

well said buddy!!

[elshadi]

that's true
and well said
+1 bubble

[SixZeroFour]

apart from your comparison of games being in the same genre, the art style of each are so different they cannot be compared

for example.
crackdowns art style from the very beginning was to portray a comic book art style (which i think it pulled off well) while infamous was more of a realistic art style (which also was pulled off well)

halo's (the game, which differs from imagery in the novels) art style was a colorful and clean futuristic type, whereas killzone went for a more gritty dirty destroyed type of setting

uncharted is also a very vibrant colorful while also realistic type of art style while gears was pulling off the gritty bloody dark type of art style

what im trying to get at is, when trying to compare graphics (which should never be necessary) you need to take games from the same genre while also trying to go for the same art style...example bf and cod, while everyone is exhausted from the countless articles on the topic, from a comparison standpoint, its one that is actually valid, both are fps' and going for the war/realistic type of art style

[Brownghost]

finally someone who knows the truth and isnt bashing. If only more people like you commented.

[A-Glorious-Dawn]

Art style has a big part to play of course.

But its undeniable that when two games are put side by side, regardless of the art style. graphics can be compared.

Framerate, texture quality, particle effects, polygon count, shaders, animation count, AA.

All quantifiable, not subjective. But you are right, pointing these things out to people is usually fruitless, some just read what they want to read.

[jetlian]

but are they all offering the same thing? nope!! Halo has 4 player splitscreen + online. How many ps3 games allow 4 people to log on a play at the same time?

Gears graphics are great actually an the art style is totally different from UC3. Yet gears supports splitscreen 3d which as far as I know is the only game to do it. And theres little down grading when 3d is added to games on 360. Gears has more players in coop too

crackdown 2 as well as 1 both support MP(coop) which infamous 1/2 does not

Gow and ninja gaiden shouldn't be compared seeing as 1 NG is on both platforms 2 they play in totally different styles. Add fable which does have some hack and slash. But again it supports local and online MP which GOW does not have and its has a full world.

R/C vs N/b ones more linear one open world. And it has a create your own vehicles

Why not a GT vs forza? Well we both know how that would have ended

This site has tried hard to degrade crysis and rage for the same reason both top of the line game engines and top of the line graphics! And both were better on 360. Which is why they are down played.

but but rage has low close textures well so does god of war 3. I seen a guy say he saw clipping on crysis 1 yet look at kratos loin cloth and its doesn't mesh with his body

edit: why the disagree? theres a reason 360 wins most face offs

[Tarantino_Life]

er-- what does 4 player split screen option got to do with how it looks as a single player game? Crackdown 2 has coop but what has that got to do with how it looks like in a single player game? Gears 3 has splitscreen 3D but what has that got to do with how it looks in in the normal single player 2d campaign. You are complaining about God of War 3 graphics? Are you high? Stop talking B******* for the heck of it

[SixZeroFour]

@taratino_life
one can argue that with more being put in the engine and/or features, the graphics sometimes takes a backseat (whether it be for time restraints, or resource limitations) and therefore doesnt look as good as a game that focuses on the graphics and not so much on the engine and/or features

[jetlian]

games have little to no changes in graphics between MP and SP due to dvd. All models carry over all modes.

No i'm not saying gow sucks I said people complain about rage close up textures and crysis clipping yet both are seen in gow.

If you think drake in SP looks the same as MP then your tripping. And the focus of these games is MP not SP. KZ3 has major drops with 3d
on

Edit: don't think it matters you really think RE3 capped the player count to 16 just cause? the graphics before were way less when it was 40-60

The article was about power. So even UC3 splitscreen isn't even full its the 3/4 kind were they have the black box with ND symbol on the side.

[GamersRulz]

He said :
"I can make benchmarks that will show either the PS3 or 360 to be superior, so they are close, but I prefer the trades on the 360"

after playing Rage, I'm not sure you can make benchmarks on anything.

[palaeomerus]

John Carmack vaguely suspecting something based on the merest hunch is worth about ten million of you being absolutely sure of anything. He knows his stuff and you know absolutely jack squat.

That's why HE'S a multi-millionaire and chief tech officer of iD software, a major consultant in the 3d graphics industry who works on AAA games on both consoles and the PC, and gets huge press.

Meanwhile you are a silly, know nothing, ankle biting whiner with a dumb nickname, who is trying to talk crap with no details or means of backing up anything you happen to say in your colossally ignorant little jabs. Nice try though.

[GamersRulz]

Is this the Legendary John Carmack replaying to my comment !!

because if not then the last part of your comment also apply to You.

[Goozex]

He is so 15 mins ago and a word of advice stick to Doom.

[majiebeast]

Yeah he should just stick to corridor shooters cause you fail pretty badly when a team of 200+, cant make a decent looking open-instanced world fps that doesnt have the pipes and other things painted on the walls instead of rendered like any game has done since ages.

@colonel i dont think you can say hes a pc dev after rage on pc hell even ubisofts cheap assasins creed ports are better.

[Mr Tretton]

If id is starting to suck, then isn't Doom4 gonna suck to?

And let's face it, Doom 3 was half good. It was eye candy for the time but got really repetitive half way through

id, at this point, is very overrated.

[Ducky]

iD's fame has been mostly due to their engines.

In that regard, they didn't do too poorly with Rage. Having a game look as good as it does while at 60fps on consoles is quite a technical feat... and the megatexture tech does seem interesting for the future.
(I haven't finished Rage yet but I've loved the art design so far while the gameplay does tend to feel uninspired)

Doom3 was similarly quite advanced from an engine point of view in terms of shadows and lighting.

Thing is, even if iD makes nothing but flops, there still wouldn't be any reputable developer who'd say that they're better than Carmack at coding.
They have a history, and you still gotta give them their share of respect. Kinda like grandpa.

[colonel179]

He is mostly a PC developer. Maybe that is why he prefers the 360, since they have very similar architecture?

[swinesucker]

RAGE was an epic fail and the only way it looks decent on any console is with a full 20 GB install on 360. It is pretty obvious coders at ND and Guerrilla have gone on past what this guy has done, at least on PS3, and, I would simply say that he aimed his sights way too high on consoles. The texture pop in is ridiculous even on 360 which this game obviously was developed for. If you cannot run your game then don't and please shut the hell up as other devs have long surpassed your expertise. Make doom4 and shut up.

[Sevir04]

Nothing new! he prefers the 360 to PS3... HEADLINE and sensationalism at it's finest yet again, and this is about news we already heard months ago!

[narutogameking]

Experienced PC developer prefers Xbox 360? SHOCK!

[ShaunCameron]

Pretty much. The XBox 360 is just like the PC. An open platform, just streamlined.

[Legion]

It is similar to the PC but not for the reasons that you mentioned. It is the architecture and coding/development tools that shows it's PC roots.

[tarbis]

Experienced PC developer can't fix problems for a PC game. MORE SHOCK!

[Silly gameAr]

The flamebait is just rolling in.

[dcortz2027]

You'd have to be mentally insane, or be an Xbox fanboy to even think such a thing. He probably got paid by MS to say this.

[iamgoatman]

Obviously wearing a tinfoil hat for extended periods of time makes your brain swell.

[tarbis]

paid or not. He has no excuse that he can't fix the problems plaguing the PC version

[hadouken007]

Stale article.

[PSX99]

They are equal,anyone saying otherwise is a delusional fanboy. ps3 has a better cpu but 360 has a better gpu and more ram.

[cooperdnizzle]

Yea you don't know what you're talking about. They both have 512Mb of ram. Ps3 just splits it between video ram and graphics ram. Learn you're stuff before posting something way wrong. Ps3 has more power no doubt about that, don't really care what anyone else says, if they say different they have a vision problem.

[mendicant]

That would be "learn your stuff..." unless you meant to say "Learn you are stuff..."

[V0LT]

After playing RAGE who cares what this guy thinks anymore.

[JellyJelly]

Because John Carmack is not married to Sony or MS and has enough power in the industry to say what he wants without fear of losing his job?

Because RAGE is likely the best looking FPS on consoles to date?

[Tarantino_Life]

"Because RAGE is likely the best looking FPS on consoles to date?" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Man u are funny. LMAO!

[Zephol]

i want doom 4 in the ps4 and xbox 720

[Allowen]

They keep telling a lie that soon it will become the an doubtly truth :)
Or at least they(AKA Microsoft ) hope that it will happen .

[Blitz001]

Hahahaha, who cares when he can't make a decent game for neither of them. Funny guy...

[radphil]

Yea...I said it before, and I'll do it again.

Doing a complete 180 on what you say before the making of Rage, and now afterwards you doing praising to something that you said held you back before?

Logically, that means something happened behind doors that the public doesn't know.

[radphil]

I love the response of people on this site.... (sarcasm)

Rather than actually respond and contest to what I say, they just press the disagree button and move on.

[CBaoth]

Who acquired iD in 2009? And that company just so happens to prefer what console manufacturer?

HINT HINT: look at their last TES game, then look at the obvious visual discrepancies in FO3 and NV.

In reality, Carmack is neither a game player nor a game designer; he makes game engines. And in the last 10 years, the truth of the matter is he has built more rocket engines than game engines. The man is a genius no doubt but iD's made 1 game in that aforementioned decade and always had the luxury of Raven doing most of their grunt work. Not surprising he prefers the platform with the same coding that he used nearly a decade ago.

[radphil]

"HINT HINT: look at their last TES game, then look at the obvious visual discrepancies in FO3 and NV. "

You know that overall it still was better on the computer than that on console, and was easier to manage with.

Also look at the sheer rush of FO3 and NV. Bethesda is already slightly notorious in the aspect of sheer bugs.

Plus the thing is, he can use that same coding used nearly a decade ago. That's why there's coding libraries.

I'm not talking about conspiracies which I'm assuming what some people thought. I'm talking about the direction in which they wanted to take things, and just like you said:

"Who acquired iD in 2009? And that company just so happens to prefer what console manufacturer?"

He talked so much, praising the PC version during development, then at release he states that "console" is the way to go, now he's stating that the 360 is the preferred section.

[MR LOOKINGBILL]

I don't know why folks are doubting Carmacks finfings. He's a well know Engineer designer, programmer and developer.

[clarkdef]

I always said that this dude is full of it. The PC guys were sucking him off hard, but I only saw him as a big mouth geek. Who thinks too much of himself. I was right.

[HappyTrigger]

So judging by this article and the release of RAGE and looking at various other forums about RAGE, I assume most of you have all put Carmack on your shitlist and we shall no longer deem him as a technical god but a geek with a big mouth. And that he is a hardcore 360 fanboy who licks MS's a$$. And that every article that relates to him will be bashed.

What a damn shame. But hey, at least RAGE managed to provide us an almost solid 60FPS experience. But I guess the texture pop-in and low res textures was just too much. Though, I still think RAGE is a pretty damn good looking game.

[MasterCornholio]

So that means because of his preference for the 360 he gimped the PS3 version on purpose. Because according to him both are equal in power and should yield the same results in games. If the 2 versions are different than its the devs fault not the consoles.

Carmack in my opinion is an ass.

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[Denethor_II]

360 has three cores. The PS3 has one core and seven SPU's in very basic terms as I understand.
Multi platform games can often, and will, use all three for the 360 and just the one for the PS3. This obviously gives the 360 the edge. But if they have the resources, like the in-house teams do, to utilize seven SPU's then this, I hear, is where the PS3's hidden power comes into effect giving it, undoubtedly, the best looking games on consoles this gen.

[Kingx2]

"John Carmack prefers the trades on the Xbox 360 to those on PS3. Implies they are equal in power."

well obviously only the dummies on here wouldn't be able to figure out a simple thing like that.

[Darth Stewie]

Carmack just shut up and give everybody the next Doom please.

[xX_Altair_Xx]

Lol. The title should be "washed up developer loses his mind!". This guy talks and talks but can no longer deliver. The gaming landscape has changed dramatically since his last game and Rage shows he no longer has a clue.

[denero1]

this made me lol for some reason bubble for you sir

[ndl1531]

exactly what i was thinking man . god of war 3 uncharted 2 and 3 killzone 3 and many others proove him wrong . this guy is riding the success of being the creator of the fps but times have definitely changed. its not 1985 anymore

[wolfofashes]

At QuakeCon Carmack gave a 1 and half hour long lecture on the game.When we talk about pixels on screen Rage is the absolute champion this generation however such a feat implies trade-offs.That's why the detail maps on textures are way below 720p,meaning it will look horrible when you look up close.The game runs at 720p rarely,id has applied a visual sleight of hand to the game keep up the frame-rate in which it drops resolution according the how much thing are happening on screen,basically the engine adapts itself to keep controller response at its sharpest at all times.We are not talking about CoD or NG2 60fps,in those games the framerate fluctuates anywhere between 60 and 30.

Knowing Carmack's history is a no brainer that the 360 would be his preference,we all know it's tools and libraries come from the platform in which Carmack worked all his life...the PC besides id Tech 5 focus on GPUs hence Virtual Texturing being its very foundation.Another fact is that PS3 SKU is really poor,add that to the architecture that differs from anything ever released.Carmack already admitted that PS3 got a more powerfull CPU but id tech 5 does not hold anything too specialized for the spu's to handle besides a texture decompression tool.

Doing the actual math of what bot consoles are capable of they are close indeed,although the PS3 is more capable than the 360,not that much though and to tap that extra power you need more man hours and money.But on the 360 we have a much more friendly environment and a much closer one to the good ole' PCs.Now as a developer,which one would you prefer?

[PixL]

You're absolutely right in what you're writing. However, why should I look at his game as a developer? I'm not one. I'm a customer and I should look at a potential purchase from the benefit point of view. If ID's game is less polished on PS3 and doesn't take advantage of the hardware AND they sell it for the same price as another platform, then the PS3 price isn't fair and I will not buy it. Nothing personal, no fanboy boycott stuff. It just doesn't meet my needs of a fine, polished product for a full price. I think it's simple.

[wolfofashes]

No contest on there.I find many practices by publishers to be disgusting,the selling of a inferior product at the same price of a superior is just disgusting to me.But no need to hate on Carmack. I said to look a little as an engineer because he already had commented about how the final product was going to be,John aimed very high on pixel numbers but that's about it,his engine is not good for anything else other than that,so much so that Bethesda decided not to use it.
However we got to put in account that his game is the absolute champion on what it aims to achieve,it's a completely new technology and he had to develop it for 3 different platforms having a portable version in-between.Carmack is a genius no contest,but even geniuses have the right to make mistakes.Not that id Tech 5 is a mistake but certainly the feedback would be way more positive if they had chose another direction.

[WhiteLightning]

I got done for trolling in my comment...........REALLY

For stating the truth.....wow

Stay classy N4g

[MrSpace]

and yet the people who actually troll are safe....Only on N4G folks

[christoph203]

If the xbox and ps3 are graphicly equal why does uncharted 3 look leagues ahead of rage...?

[AO1JMM]

No it doesnt !

See what I did there? Its called an opinion and you should NOT pawn yours off as a fact.

[Snowii]

xbox fanboys sure love carmack

[Treyb3yond]

What fool approves this trash?

[BioDemon-]

The man is a genius, but sadly, I can no longer take him seriously, he has contradicted himself too many times, unfortunate.

[Zephol]

Ps3: Low Memory

Xbox 360: Space problems due to DVD.

[Sarcasmology]

pancreatic cancer says: soon my pretties...soon *rubs hands together*

[calitax]

John, the next time, please, forget the megatexture and all this fanboy bullshit without interest.

Just make a good game, with a good story and funny.

This is what gamers are looking for. We are not interested at all in this stupid speech about performance of the consoles.

[Mottsy]

people who have no credibility saying he lost all credibility. IRONIC? Nope! just CHUCK TESTA!

[StayStatic]

LOL lots of RAGE in here

[AO1JMM]

Douche: Carmack lost all credibility.

Me: STFU you moron.

[Chucky2003]

ollllldd,and as long as there are games like Killzone 3 and Uncharted looking that great,clearly he doesn't doesn't do something right

[lionelglitchy]

yeah generic shooter and tomb raider ripoff

[BioDemon-]

Mommy only buy you a 360 for your 10th birthday? I'm sorry.

[horndog]

Oh Oh! Looks like Mr.Carmack's professional opinion doesn't sit to well with n4g's ps3 "developmentteam" and the pc dinosaurs. LOL.

The truth will sting those in denial. If you guys cry any harder you will short out your keyboards whith all those tears. LOOOL.

[lionelglitchy]

oh no someone says something bad about the ps3,make them stop mommy,MAKE THE BAD MAN STOP,when i go to school on monday everyone will laugh and point and i'll have to go to therapy again

[tarbis]

Hey Carwreck before you talk about the problems of another console, fix the damn problems on the platform you're supposed to be an "expert" of.
Let me simplify it for you. FIX THE PC VERSION!

[danthebios]

i was never interested in buying rage and this made me happy i didnt.

[mayberry]

the extra horsepower of the Cells will let them transcode it into graphics memory much faster than the 360 and faster than all but the most extreme PCs, but its a pain in the ass to take advantage of it that way. ...seems like sony didn't let him in on "the secret". First party dev's get the "hotline" red phone number in sony's HQ! All he got was a dev kit and a 16 page 3rd time copied, smeared, washed out photocopy of an instruction manual. So sorry bud!

[shadowboricua]

I still have not seen something of Uncharted's quality on the 360. Yeah, most multiplatform games do better... but still, nothing like Uncharted 2+.

[GamerElite]

John Carsmack is an annoying little douche bag, and he looks like a pedophile with those huge outdated glasses.

[XDF]

I will buy a copy of RAGE to support John Carmack and ID. I will get the X360 version because Carmack said it is the one to get with better performance. Thanks Mr. Carmack.

[earbus]

Carmack wow the einstien of gaming disses playstation ,how can this be spun into a positive ms paid him off lmao,carmack we still think u are boss. This is as funny as all the 10s forza has been getting it just hurts the sides from laughing. A great day in gaming, humor and the tissue industry.

[ndl1531]

carmack = 360fanboy confirmed. good thing i didn't pick up rage . from what i hear its pretty bland anyway . uncharted 3 for me . ( you hear that carmack ? "uncharted 3" is what your game wishes it was LOL ) .

[dennett316]

Gotta love the PC guys crying over Carmack selling out by focusing on consoles.
You want to know why he and Cryteck have done this, because those glorious PC gamers that he's supposedly got to be soooo loyal to, pirate games in record numbers, far more than console users do. And I say this as someone who just recently got into PC gaming after years of console gaming. I don't blame the guy for focusing on the market that's FAR less likely to steal his game.

Of course there's piracy on all platforms, but it's far less prevalent on console than PC.

For the PS3 fanboys, did you even read his message? He said it's so close, he could show benchmark results for both machines which would highlight them as being superior, but he prefers what the 360 offers in terms of trade offs over what the PS3 offers. In short, please grow the hell up and stop crying every time someone has the slightest negative thing to say about the PS3. Seriously, I've never known a more sensitive fan base than the PS3 fans, they cry "conspiracy" and "bias" constantly...it's quite bizarre.

[Enigma_2099]

... who?

[Silly gameAr]

Now there are 2 of the same article at the top of the page. Why Is this getting so much attention? I find it hard to believe that people care this much, that they have to click on 2 articles that say pretty much the same thing.

What he said isn't even that big of a deal.

[montyburns000]

lol the only reason he did this was to shutup the crying ps3 fanboys. I bet he received a whole whack of negative twitter responses after his earlier comments.