Next-gen graphics already possible on OnLive, 'new standard' promised - Video

CEO looking to "blur the boundaries between cinema and video games"

[Wizziokid]

this would be awesome for people who want the PC battlefield 3 to run on highest settings who can't afford the top end PC to run it

[gogospeedracer]

No, not Next Gen Graphics! That is completely incorrect. PC tech isn't next gen yet. It is better than consoles but not a large step above. Onlive isn't that impressive yet!

[Ron_Danger]

4-5 generations above?! Really?! Did you seriously just type that?! We all get it that the pc is much much more powerful than consoles, but 4-5 generations?!

PC shouldn't even be catagorized by generation since you can pretty much upgrade it every 6 months. Consoles' graphics and overall power can be based on generation cause a new group comes out every 9-10 years

[Thecraft1989]

Ron_Danger

Of cause it can be measured. Processor tech has gone through 4 generation of cycles since the ps3/360 release gpu tech has gone through 5 generations. So yes PC is 4-5 generations higher than that of your beloved consoles.

Now to final statement upgrading every six month. You tell that to gamers with 3+year rigs running games at 1080p 60fps max settings.

[Autodidactdystopia]

Craft is right literally 5 generations of Gpu have come out since then all of which bringing an exceptional leap in perfromance over the previous.

When the 360 came out i was rocking a 3.4GHz P4 Prescott

Now I am rocking a Quad Core ~3.3GHZ Core I5 2nd Generation The word Generation Is literally in its Name.

2nd gen i52500k

from

p4
Pentium d
Core 2
I3,5,7 1st gen
I5/7 2nd gen (comes with a built in gpu)

not to even mention AMD

[Ron_Danger]

Guys... I understand that pc's are more powerful, but reread my comment instead of just seeing what you want to see. I'll explain it better since reading between the lines is way past you...

You can't put the pc generations in the same argument with console generations cause we can't upgrade our consoles in the same way that you can upgrade your pc. And I have a pc that I can play crysis on but I still choose to play mainly on my ps3.

[Autodidactdystopia]

"You can't put the pc generations in the same argument with console generations cause we can't upgrade our consoles in the same way that you can upgrade your pc"

In other words even though you have just demonstrated the 5 generations of performance gain We cant compare them because it doesnt fit my argument

reread my comment I said five gens have passed And ....OH look five gens have passed. Unless you can somehow convince us that that didnt happen your argument is just ad hominem.

[Army_of_Darkness]

"PC tech is 4-5 generations above that of hardware in the 360/PS3."

Should I be disappointed in the PC then??
because I don't see much games on it out preforming uncharted 2, killzone 3, god of war 3 or even Gears 3?! you know, for being "4-5" generations ahead and all;)

[Autodidactdystopia]

@ Army

Thats what you get when you dont have people to take advantage of the hardware, the reason you dont see games Obliterating what we have already seen is because all of the developers have been spending or dare i say wasting their time on consoles.

Trust me the power is there, just needs tapping.

[ProjectVulcan]

The most powerful PC hardware is now 10 times faster than console. If you can't believe it then go look at some 1080p BF3 shots and imagine that 30 frames 720p Gears 3 is close to it....

I think that Onlive is mostly dreaming that they can deliver the quality needed, they still don't have the bitrates and video encoding needed to make games come across nicely in 1080p. Too much compression.

The quality in 720p is still below that of a PC rendering it on a desktop, so the distance to 1080p is yet to be bridged and that will take some time.

[Ron_Danger]

My final thought since you guys still don't get it...

We (console gamers) don't care about pc games and graphics as much as you think we should. If we did than the Wii wouldn't be the top selling console this generation. The more you throw numbers around the less we care. Go back to drinking your Mountain Dew Code Red with your pinky fingers up since you have such high views of yourselves.

[nveenio]

I've tried OnLive, and the image quality is pretty bad. On my little, 22" monitor, the 720p compression doesn't compete with even the likes of Uncharted or God of War. When OnLive can serve images a little crisper, they'll have something gold.

Oh, and I'm at 13Mb/sec...

[jaih27]

@ army of darkness

Your an idiot, the only reason your not playing games better then killzone is because P.C. gaming has become porting of console games.... Just look at the mods for GTA4 and tell me what's what, when they aren't even profesional grade..... It's all good thos cause P.C. Gaming is going to re-topple consoles by 2015 again. Then you'll be playing the half ass-ed ports, of a dumb'd done game.

[HappyGaming]

:/ 4-5 generations? Are you guys serious?

So you are trying to say that while consoles since 1972 have moved up 7 generations PCs must have gone up by about 40? So you are saying that the 7th generation of CPUs and GPUs dozens of years ago was on the same level as the 7th generation of consoles?

Clearly you are thinking on a 'different scale'...
Its like you are comparing feet to meters
Sure 4-5 feet are more than 1 meter but 2 meters are much greater than 4-5 feet...

The 8th generation of consoles will skip a lot of those 4-5 "CPU and GPU technological generations"

'PC gaming' generations could be counted with decimals... 7,7.2,7.4,7.6,7.8,8 and 'console gaming' generations are just counted as real numbers.

We are talking about gaming generations... So most if not all 4 of your CPU generations would fall between the 7th and 8th gaming generation of consoles...

[SkylineR]

That video OnLive showed was hardly blurring anything in regards to games and movies. Watch this video for life-like rendering. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
OnLive, come back to us when you reach that quality. BF3 looks better than that face.

[HappyGaming]

@SkylineR and how man hours did that clip take to render?? We are talking about real time graphics...

[Hicken]

The point you're missing:

Some parts of your PC have gone through 4-5 generations. Some have gone through more. Some have gone through less.

Your PC isn't 4-5 generations ahead. The GPU is. Is your graphics card 4-5 generations ahead of where it was when the PS3/360 came out? How about the motherboard?

All this stuff is changeable whenever, and can be configured to work with whatever. Your 3rd generation Camaro isn't a 4th generation Camaro because you put a 4th-gen's engine in it.

[humbleopinion]

People here don't understand the meaning of a console generation, and mix it up with graphic cards and processor generation.

The Xbox 360 for example has a 3X3.2Ghz PowerPC based CPU, while the original Xbox had something equivalent to a 733Mhz Celeron. Yet, the Xbox 360 is only one generation ahead of the original Xbox.

Each console generation we see the power multiply by about a tenfold (it varies from one generation to another). Current top of the line PCs are about there in some areas, but it would be stupid to claim that they're 4-5 generations ahead. To be 4 generations ahead they will need to be about 1000 times (10^4) more powerful.

[iamnsuperman]

Not really. The quality of the video is dependent on the speed of the internet. Also every internet provider (well here in the UK) has a cap. Its unlimited but this varies in the terms and conditions. So end up paying much more. The onlive guy is trying to sell his product which hasn't been doing so great. Streaming is coming but the infrastructure isn't there yet. At peak times my internet goes from its ,supposedly, 50mb to 3 or 4.

[Fishy Fingers]

50 down to 3/4?? That means your either exaggerating or too lazy to call your ISP.

[Pandamobile]

He's probably confused about MB vs Mb.

If you're getting 50 Mbps from your ISP, that translates into a maximum of around 6 MB/s.

[iamnsuperman]

Not lazy. Its virgin media for you. The thing is they do student deals. As a student living in a a studentey area a lot use it. It is done by cable so the the speed drops dramatically. Calling is anti productive because they off the lower the tariff but then we do not get more than 20mb not matter what. Virgin says they can do up to 50mb so anything below counts (usually get around 25-30mb)Its a problem in the UK where they can say up to x amount where the speeds are realistically never going to reach this speed. My house mate had Virign at home and was paying for 50mb which never went over 10mb so they called and were dropped to the lower tariff but for me this can't work because I can get over 20 and lowering it would mean I am always capped at 10. Its not a constant service

[bumnut]

Panda is right, I have a 50 Mbps Virgin Media connection and get 6 MB.

Its amazing, I can download an 8 GB bluray rip in 20 mins.

[JsonHenry]

Yes, 4-5 generations above. Depending on whether or not you consider the 360 graphics chip to have been current with other AMD/ATi video cards at the time. It has been a long time since the X1800 and 7600GT days..

And Onlive may have the rendering power to do it but the video you get is so compressed everything looks washed out when you play it.

[gogospeedracer]

Console gamers do care about graphics, I certainly do! But there is a limit. I enjoy the ease of use the console provides. I have top of the line computer systems here and I simply do not game on them.

Unless it is Diablo 3 I'm not overly interested in installing games on them. I much rather have a slight step down in graphics and have a more convenient way to game.

That is just me!

[jaih27]

Not really, onlive isn't capable of this, as there are no games like this, and onlive will not be able to run anything, a p.c. can't because.... it'll be streaming p.c. games... amazing! so bottom line is P.C. gaming for the win again. This will be the only way console players will be able to play anything quality, until next gen consoles come out, but by then, it won't matter P.C. gaming and sales are predicted to topple all other forms of media, by 2015..... enjoy fanboi : side note I own both consoles, one is for streaming video in my living room and the other for the bedroom.

[milohighclub]

Shame the res isn't very high, my mac has a res of 1440p and a 27" screen so playing 720 game sat so close looks terrible!

[RyuCloudStrife]

OMG Graphiczzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!

[Hozi]

I wanna be your friend....and go for a ride on you bike.

[GoldenPheasant]

is onlive going to pay for my bandwidth too? no? bye.

[Ron_Danger]

That's cool and all that this guy is more delusional than Rick James... But until onLive can support lag free online gaming with people around the word (and not just online gaming per region) than it's always gonna be an uphill battle for them. I guess it's great if you want high end graphics for a single player multiplatform game, but I like my exclusives and my friends list and onlive can't compete with that.

[DA_SHREDDER]

I've had lag free online using wifi, must be your own internet buddy.

[Ron_Danger]

I'm basing my info off of every article I've read about onlive. That's great that you play lag free onlive, but that's like saying youre dating the hottest girl in Gary, Indiana

[KonGreat]

I don't have any lag at all either (runs on a wifi too). It runs supersmooth, the only thing I can complain about is the graphics but hey, its better than my shitty computer.

[ginsunuva]

But the vid quality is still dependant on internet speed.

[OcularVision]

OnLive is pretty much a super high-end PC. So yeah, it would be next-gen.

[RedGr3mlin]

"I had another shot of OnLive yesterday after around a year, my broadband is updated to 30mb and the latency when using a controller (was playing dirt 3) was pretty much fine, infact if i never upgraded my pc i'd have probably went with OnLive but it has one fatal flaw to it even for those with a good enough internet, its the resolution, i put it on full screen with my 1680x1050 and it just looks crappy compared to playing the game from my hard drive, the graphics like shadows and textures are great on it but the lower resolution makes everything have jaggies, and pretty bad ones as well, it would be a shame to have next gen graphics on this with the bad resolution that OnLive uses, if they could give you the option for the resolution to go up to 1080 then it would be brilliant, my broadband upgrade from the 10mb was only a fiver more with my virgin media package so give it a few years and i think this could really take off in my opinion, i'm going to use it to demo new games before purchasing"

Tested it for the first time yesterday and cant agree more to what that guy said.

I play ANY GAME in 1080p with every thing maxed + 8xmsaa.
Downloaded on live with the hopes that this could be the future in gaming and with the gfx that will blur the cgi with gameing would be awesome.

So i downloaded it - and started it up and everything was in so low resolution that my eyes hurt . Jaggies every where - low lvl gfx and on that lag ( tested dirt to ) and the lag made it IMMPOSSIBLE to take ANY corner right.

So to those guys @ Onlive.
STOP LYING to the gamers and come back when you have gaming in 1080p without lag...

Untill then . STFO of the internet plz.

[KonGreat]

Dude it's fucking amazing what they are able to do, being able to play any game on ANY PC, MAC or TV, even though its low resolution. It's not for people like you who are graphically spoiled

[GoldenPheasant]

I just watched the actual video, this guy must be very successful with his pitch and his bullshit "luuk at are theze poligoons" to people that google "google".

"how does this technology compare to current console hardware"

"its on par and beyond" he says, *facepalm*

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I get that Onlive "can" produce a higher level...but regardless of what they are capable of it ultimately will be developers and not OnLive that will push graphics forward. OnLive merely is a reflection of what PC gaming can do nothing more.

[danieldeath]

what's in the other end of the connection ?
its a PC or a Console respective to the game , onlive is just streaming it ... whats so big in that he is giving the graphics credit to the streaming device.

[rattletop]

yeah? well we are waiting for next-gen broadband. not to mention next-gen low cost service. LOL

[D0ffy]

OnLive is all talk and nothing else as far as I can see. God they are annoying.

[Jdub895O]

Stop hating on the service. Its something new and very innovative.In time it only get better.

[jaih27]

@jdub

Why not hate on the service ? It may be inovating, but this post is full of bullshit.

It's like going to the car lot and talking to a sales man, except this guy isn't even selling reality IMO. This will be the only way after 2015 that a non P.C. gamer will be able to play a "AAA" game however. since you can get a decent gaming P.C. for arounf 500USD now, there really shouldn't be any complaining, you can hook a D-pad up to it, and hook it up to your t.v. Why would you spend another $600.00 Dollars, on a console that can't do what this CPU can in 6 months. With no upgradability, Consoles, will always be behind, shortly after purchase. Devs need to get on board, and are starting to, this will continue.

[Jdub895O]

ooooooh YOU SAID A BADWORD!!!!! Good for you!

[rjdofu]

Grow up would ya?

[Omega Zues]

I like OnLive and in fact even own one of their units. I love the controller the most about it. However OnLive still has several issues. Hell the game selection is slim and OnLive still doesnt stream 1080p which really hurts. Its not so bad on a monitor but when your playing on a +50 inch screen with only low vid stream around 720p....eeer yeah. You can clearly see the difference.

OnLive always states with this you can play the best of the best from PC on ULTRA MAX GRAPHIX however due to the very poor vid stream they offer, its a far cry from it.

BUT, doesnt mean in the future OnLive wont fix this, just its really a work in progress for the moment.

[Shadowaste]

"Next-gen graphics already possible on OnLive, 'new standard' promised - Video"

they mean already on pc

I know people above are saying pc is 5 gens ahead and while technically it may be true, i would say PC gaming is 2 gens beyond console

when ps3/360 were out in 2005/2006 the were on par with a mid-high pc

by 2007 crysis was out and consoles were left in the dust!

Then dx11 launched and pc's went another gen beyond consoles with games like Shogun 2 and metro2033

so consoles are about 2 gens behind pc, there will be new consoles in 2012 holiday but they will NOT even be close to a mid range 2011 pc

Meaning the will not support beyon 1080p like a mid range 2011 pc willl right now, my friend has an i7 920, 560 ti ,4 gb ram pc (honestly that is mid-low pc really) and it blazes Crysis 2 in 1440p with 8x anti aliasing at 30-60 frames dx11

Bet you ass the ps4 /xbox720 will not be able to touch that, you will be lucky if next gen consoles even do always true 1080p and 4x anti aliasing at 30-40 frames!

The gap will be even bigger next gen between pc and console as the manufacturs of consoles will be cheap and skimp on parts to make $350 consoles, the minute they launch the will be a gen behind pc and the gap will grow larger and larger every years

This next gen will also be the last gen of consoles, in 7-10 years cloud gaming will have caught on and the only place for hardcore dedicated gaming rigs will be pc.

[leogets]

all fair and well if onlive delivers what they say but theirs 2 flaws. i like to actually own a game so i can smell the brand new booklet (surely im not the only one) ;P also the other flaw is if the network goes down ya cant even access campaign mode.

[ninjahunter]

Onlives pretty cool but i really hate when you have to have a network connection to play. and i live on the west coast so all in about 30 people have internet that would work well with onlive. :(

And maby im late to the party but i remember a while back there was a onlive comparison for borderlands vs consoles where onlive got creamed. now their saying they are pulling next gen? did i miss something?

[Laxman216]

If this tech was to be introcduced and working in the USA next year (for example, I know it probably wont happen), us down here in Australia probably wouldnt be able to play it for like 4 or 5 years with our internet quality. I hate being an aussie sometimes...